Posted on 01/02/2014 6:41:50 PM PST by markomalley
Here's a question that I've asked in the past that needs to be revisited. Unless one wishes to obfuscate, it has a simple yes or no answer. If one group of people prefers strong government control and management of people's lives while another group prefers liberty and desires to be left alone, should they be required to enter into conflict with one another and risk bloodshed and loss of life in order to impose their preferences on the other group? Yes or no. My answer is no; they should be able to peaceably part company and go their separate ways.
The problem our nation faces is very much like a marriage in which one partner has an established pattern of ignoring and breaking the marital vows. Moreover, the offending partner has no intention to mend his ways. Of course, the marriage can remain intact while one party tries to impose his will on the other and engages in the deviousness of one-upsmanship and retaliation. Rather than domination or submission by one party, or domestic violence, a more peaceable alternative is separation.
I believe our nation is at a point where there are enough irreconcilable differences between those Americans who want to control other Americans and those Americans who want to be left alone that separation is the only peaceable alternative. Just as in a marriage where vows are broken, our rights guaranteed by the U.S. Constitution have been grossly violated by a government instituted to protect them. These constitutional violations have increased independent of whether there's been a Democrat-controlled Washington or a Republican-controlled Washington.
There is no evidence that Americans who are responsible for and support constitutional abrogation have any intention of mending their ways. You say, "Williams, what do you mean by constitutional abrogation?" Let's look at the magnitude of the violations.
Article I, Section 8 of our Constitution lists the activities for which Congress is authorized to tax and spend. Nowhere on that list is there authority for Congress to tax and spend for: Medicare, Social Security, public education, farm subsidies, bank and business bailouts, food stamps and thousands of other activities that account for roughly two-thirds of the federal budget. Neither is there authority for congressional mandates to citizens about what type of health insurance they must purchase, how states and people may use their land, the speed at which they can drive, whether a library has wheelchair ramps, and the gallons of water used per toilet flush. The list of congressional violations of both the letter and spirit of the Constitution is virtually without end. Our derelict Supreme Court has given Congress sanction to do just about anything for which they can muster a majority vote.
James Madison, the acknowledged father of the Constitution, explained in Federalist Paper No. 45: "The powers delegated by the proposed Constitution to the federal government are few and defined. Those which are to remain in the State governments are numerous and indefinite. The former will be exercised principally on external objects, as war, peace, negotiation, and foreign commerce. ... The powers reserved to the several States will extend to all the objects which in the ordinary course of affairs, concern the lives and liberties, and properties of the people, and the internal order, improvement and prosperity of the State." Our founder's constitutional vision of limited federal government has been consigned to the dustbin of history.
Americans have several options. We can like sheep submit to those who have contempt for liberty and our Constitution. We can resist, fight and risk bloodshed and death in an attempt to force America's tyrants to respect our liberties and Constitution. A superior alternative is to find a way to peaceably separate into states whose citizens respect liberty and the Constitution. My personal preference is a restoration of the constitutional values of limited government that made us a great nation.
Well the reason my outlook is so bleak is because it is the verifiable truth.
There are 350 million people in America. How many ever in their lives have taken any action other than a web post to change the circumstance of the country? I mean attend a rally. Or run for a school board. Or show up at a town hall meeting and demand answers and accountability for the BS in their small town?
How many ever picketed an abortion clinic, denied access to an eco terrorist to a logging site, rode their politicians like the Lone Ranger on Silver during a campaign stop?
How many ever did their own research and took action against their local paper/media outlet to prove one BS storu or another was in fact BS? How many ever did even the most basic of the responsibilities as an American to safeguard their rights and freedoms? Not many out of 350 MILLION people.
They can’t even give up their cable TV when they admit their money goes to fund leftism and the destruction of their country. Football is far to important. Reality shows are too important. Movies are too important. Those are the people that are going to rise up against rioting liberals and the descendants of Stalin and Mao? Thats why I have a negative outlook on our people. they gave me every reason to have one. The facts are what they are Windy. Everything above is true.
there are a fraction of us that wont take it. Most will choose the lesser evil.
It's obvious we view history differently (to clarify - leftists = statists).
Mao killed over 60 million in various ways - most in my lifetime. Add in the other 20th century statists and the number dead eclipses 150 million.
If you read this thread, Freepers point out that there has been a successful pogrom of senior military leaders during the ObaMao tenure.
Statists gush "compassion", but in actuality, they have no regard for human life. Abortion, slavery, starvation, war, terrorism... they worship man, not God. They are not afraid to terminate life. They have a large quantity of highly trained, funded, equipped, domestic and international "useful idiots" from multiple taxpayer entities to carry out their assassinations.
bttt
And all of their victims were disarmed. I rest my case.
... sigh ....
I can't dispute your observations. I've seen all that too, but I've also seen a resurgence in conservative activism and patriotic push-back that is unlike anything I've ever seen in this life. That, too, is real.
We build an imperfect world with broken straws, my friend. All we can do is keep on keeping on. We and those who think like we do, will hold fast to our deepest held convictions while we do what we can to add our shoulders to the wheel.
As conditions in this country worsen, I expect more to be jolted out of their slumber and repose by the pain those conditions will bring. One day (soon?) we'll have lots more company.
I tell ya brother, yer screwed. I'll never stop pouring sunshine on you :-)
It takes way more than two, with hundreds of millions of Americans here.
Could you pour beer instead? Because I’m pondering getting back into drinking after a 20 year break ;) Genesee please...no wait. Thats New Yuck beer. Scratch that.
Tecate?. Nope. don’t wanna fund illegals either.
Maybe I’ll build a still. Nope. Im in AZ. Nothing to mash.
I’m screwed....
If you can find a feed store, you'll have a source for all the grain you'll need to whip up a proper batch of home made whiskey
Come on out to my place and I'll show ya how ;-)
Unfortunately we here in the upper midwest (MN- Al Franken, Crazy Eyes Mark Dayton, WI-lesbian senator Tammy Baldwin, crazy unions, IL - Dirty Dick Durbin, Rahm Emanuel, Jesse Jackson) are but a few of the deranged liberal crazies in these states. We've got the same 50% deranged liberals vs 50% of nominally good conservative patriots. We would have a battle on our hands (that's ok, so be it) if or when we would ever try to divorce or secede from the ferociously evil socialist-fascist-communisty lefties.
You nailed it on the head. Exactly the same thoughts I have... see me post #129
This is a great thread, with many fine, outstanding posts, including yours.
Yes, why give these 0dumb0sh_t demoCRAP liberal bastards anything? Other than GTFO, go live in your peoples paradises of N Korea, Cuba or Venezuela, and never come back! (and take 0dumb0sh_t with you)!
I would say the best example of how they kill is what took place at Waco. For a moment just assume the Davidians were all nuts (which they were not) the BATF intentionally killed the 'hostages' (children).
There was no remorse or proper investigation. These people are bloody killers. Don't you forget that.
They've never dared to attempt to subjugate an armed populace. Like us. Don't you forget that.
The communism and National socialists didn’t subjugate their people? Huh?
Actually there are a couple here. They have them to feed the sheep. Hmmm...Sheep....
Wait a sec. Nevermind. I got a better idea. ;)
HEREEEEE SHEEEPIESHEEPIE....
‘Technically’ they did. They were an arme populace in the beginning, then disarmed as part of / early in the takeover as is happening here now.
But in the sense you mean, that’s true. They havent.
Read it again. I said that the Commies and Nazis never subjugated an ARMED people.
I don't think any of us has any doubt that we'd already be living under a full-blown Socialist system if we weren't armed. Those western countries that have been disarmed, are steadily moving in the direction of totalitarian Socialist government because their people lack the means to effectively resist such changes.
The left is trying to do it here too, but they're forced to tread lightly because of the potential for armed rebellion.
Look at the response to the accelerated moves of the current Socialist regime. Gun sales here are at record levels, and they jump every time the regime violates a basic component of the Constitution. There's a lesson to be learned in that.
The track of history shows that every Communist regime has followed this sequence, in relation to subjugating a country:
1. Gun registration
2. Confiscation
3. Subjugation
Up until the point where all the guns are surrendered, it's all politics. Once that's accomplished, there's no need for a political structure anymore, and one party becomes the all dominant force which rules the land. Dictatorship is secured, and all dissent is crushed through violence and murder.
Western countries that have been disarmed are at the mercy of their ruling political class. I personally don't see how they can avoid eventually descending into totalitarian barbarism, because 'evil never sleeps'.
They always will. Man is by nature an aggressor. Religion helped hold back that instinct by attaching morality to action. Without it, as in all the Socialist/Communist controlled countries, there is no difference between a human life and a boat anchor. Humans are a thing to serve a purpose. When it serves no or the wrong purpose, you replace/get rid of it.
Since they are unburdened by morality, the logical move is for Socialist/Communist leaders to remove the possibility of resistance to their rule. And what better way than disarming your potential problem?
Then there is the 1984 aspect where you start outlawing/banning words until the mere ideas of resistance can’t even be formed in the human mind since there are no words to explain a given concept.
Together they show the philosophies of every tyrannical regime in history.
That was brilliant, my brother. Short, concise, and straight to the core definition of tyranny.
Save that, please. It’s worth expanding into a larger work.
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