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There Are Irreconciliable Differences Between Liberty-Loving Americans and Leftists
Newsbusters ^ | 1/2/2014 | Walter E. Williams

Posted on 01/02/2014 6:41:50 PM PST by markomalley

Here's a question that I've asked in the past that needs to be revisited. Unless one wishes to obfuscate, it has a simple yes or no answer. If one group of people prefers strong government control and management of people's lives while another group prefers liberty and desires to be left alone, should they be required to enter into conflict with one another and risk bloodshed and loss of life in order to impose their preferences on the other group? Yes or no. My answer is no; they should be able to peaceably part company and go their separate ways.

The problem our nation faces is very much like a marriage in which one partner has an established pattern of ignoring and breaking the marital vows. Moreover, the offending partner has no intention to mend his ways. Of course, the marriage can remain intact while one party tries to impose his will on the other and engages in the deviousness of one-upsmanship and retaliation. Rather than domination or submission by one party, or domestic violence, a more peaceable alternative is separation.

I believe our nation is at a point where there are enough irreconcilable differences between those Americans who want to control other Americans and those Americans who want to be left alone that separation is the only peaceable alternative. Just as in a marriage where vows are broken, our rights guaranteed by the U.S. Constitution have been grossly violated by a government instituted to protect them. These constitutional violations have increased independent of whether there's been a Democrat-controlled Washington or a Republican-controlled Washington.

There is no evidence that Americans who are responsible for and support constitutional abrogation have any intention of mending their ways. You say, "Williams, what do you mean by constitutional abrogation?" Let's look at the magnitude of the violations.

Article I, Section 8 of our Constitution lists the activities for which Congress is authorized to tax and spend. Nowhere on that list is there authority for Congress to tax and spend for: Medicare, Social Security, public education, farm subsidies, bank and business bailouts, food stamps and thousands of other activities that account for roughly two-thirds of the federal budget. Neither is there authority for congressional mandates to citizens about what type of health insurance they must purchase, how states and people may use their land, the speed at which they can drive, whether a library has wheelchair ramps, and the gallons of water used per toilet flush. The list of congressional violations of both the letter and spirit of the Constitution is virtually without end. Our derelict Supreme Court has given Congress sanction to do just about anything for which they can muster a majority vote.

James Madison, the acknowledged father of the Constitution, explained in Federalist Paper No. 45: "The powers delegated by the proposed Constitution to the federal government are few and defined. Those which are to remain in the State governments are numerous and indefinite. The former will be exercised principally on external objects, as war, peace, negotiation, and foreign commerce. ... The powers reserved to the several States will extend to all the objects which in the ordinary course of affairs, concern the lives and liberties, and properties of the people, and the internal order, improvement and prosperity of the State." Our founder's constitutional vision of limited federal government has been consigned to the dustbin of history.

Americans have several options. We can like sheep submit to those who have contempt for liberty and our Constitution. We can resist, fight and risk bloodshed and death in an attempt to force America's tyrants to respect our liberties and Constitution. A superior alternative is to find a way to peaceably separate into states whose citizens respect liberty and the Constitution. My personal preference is a restoration of the constitutional values of limited government that made us a great nation.

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To: greene66
I’d vote to seceed apart from the Obama-voting fag-marriage states in a split second.

Why should we give them anything? This country has a constitution, and if they want to live in a Communist state let them all move to Venezuela.

61 posted on 01/03/2014 9:35:49 AM PST by Cementjungle
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To: Albion Wilde
...ethnic cleansing of the peoples who settled early USA: The Highland Clearances

Border families like mine didn't fare all that well, either.

62 posted on 01/03/2014 9:39:51 AM PST by Windflier (To anger a conservative, tell him a lie. To anger a liberal, tell him the truth.)
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To: uncommonsense
The leftists are willing to murder for much less consequential reasons - ask Bill Ayers...

Bill Ayers is a throw-back to the type of leftist who wasn't afraid to draw blood in pursuit of their wicked ideals. That sort is the exception, rather than the rule these days.

63 posted on 01/03/2014 9:42:21 AM PST by Windflier (To anger a conservative, tell him a lie. To anger a liberal, tell him the truth.)
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To: MrB
One of the results of the attrition of the good men is that these good men, military trained and all, are now in the general populace that the left seeks to control.

I'd say the left failed a basic test in the Art of War, wouldn't you?

64 posted on 01/03/2014 9:49:07 AM PST by Windflier (To anger a conservative, tell him a lie. To anger a liberal, tell him the truth.)
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To: markomalley

I think this is the highest profile commentator I’ve read put it this bluntly. Those of us who want freedom, and understand that to be Man’s natural state, are running out of patience. There are just too many of us who won’t be pacified by Big Macs and cable tv.

65 posted on 01/03/2014 10:09:16 AM PST by demshateGod (The fool hath said in his heart, There is no God.)
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The States have all the power. They just don’t realize it. Every dollar the feds spend, comes from people who live in states. Of course, that doesn’t count the dollars they print, but that house of cars is going to fall soon.

66 posted on 01/03/2014 10:11:30 AM PST by demshateGod (The fool hath said in his heart, There is no God.)
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To: Albion Wilde
We could have easily subdued and occupied that or any other country, but for the ROEs (rules of engagement) levied by the leftist Pentagon, State Dept and Administration that prevented our soldiers from conducting a proper war.

That's true, and don't think they'll behave any differently if they choose to exert force against secessionist American states. In fact, they'd pull their punches even more than they did in foreign wars when faced with having to subdue their own people.

The other dynamic that needs to be factored in, is the reaction of those being subdued. We're not talking about quelling a localized civil disturbance here. We're talking about the U.S. government executing an act of war against a large segment of the country over a civil process of political dis-union.

The very act of them raising their hand to us in such a manner, would forever shatter the civil compact between us. Such an act would give the secessionist states the legal and moral grounds to retaliate in kind - and they would. The resultant death and destruction would destroy any hope of ever achieving the central objective of such an overt act.

It's a risk that I don't believe the powers-that-be will take. As in any war, there's always the possibility that the aggressor will lose - even when they possess superior firepower, etc. The current regime doesn't have the stones to commit unrestrained violence against any foe - least of all, their own countrymen and kin. Even when extreme violence has been committed against them first, their response has been tempered.

It's a stretch to believe that they'll suddenly find the courage necessary to execute a full scale war against a segment of their own people, when those people have done nothing but choose to enact a political realignment.

67 posted on 01/03/2014 10:12:15 AM PST by Windflier (To anger a conservative, tell him a lie. To anger a liberal, tell him the truth.)
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To: WilliamRobert
I believe the left has always been willing to do this it has always been their end game everywhere Marxist governments have been installed.

Note that Marxists have always executed programs of mass murder and extermination against unarmed populations.

Until they figure out how to disarm us first, it's game-set-match.

68 posted on 01/03/2014 10:14:57 AM PST by Windflier (To anger a conservative, tell him a lie. To anger a liberal, tell him the truth.)
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To: Domandred

That’s true. That’s why I think there may need to be some level of fighting. Hopefully a split will happen, we’ll prosper, and the Sheeple will wise up and demand reform from the Moonbeam Browns and Doofus Patricks.

69 posted on 01/03/2014 10:14:59 AM PST by demshateGod (The fool hath said in his heart, There is no God.)
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To: Jim Robinson

I’m in agreement with you, but I wonder how many of us could live without Social Security, Medicare, or other federally funded pensions and medical care. We’ve all grown up with these programs and unwittingly gotten so dependent on them, that it would be hard for many older Americans to get by without them. Family ties are not what they were, and the days of being able to count on your children’s help when you are old seem to have disappeared.

70 posted on 01/03/2014 10:16:29 AM PST by paristexas
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To: markomalley
The Liberty Amendments: Restoring the American Republic

IMHO as long as Boner is Weeper of the House this is our only answer left for saving the Republic.
71 posted on 01/03/2014 10:16:48 AM PST by Cheerio (Barry Hussein Soetoro-0bama=The Complete Destruction of American Capitalism)
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To: Count of Monte Fisto


72 posted on 01/03/2014 10:17:02 AM PST by demshateGod (The fool hath said in his heart, There is no God.)
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To: markomalley
One question which the tards would DEFINITELY rather not deal with is this: What exactly would they do with their kept voting blocks (all the people whose only salable skill is voting and who they round up and haul to the polls in buses on election days), after the country had split up and there were no more evil Republicans to vote against??

My own guess is they'd all be eliminated.

73 posted on 01/03/2014 10:23:27 AM PST by varmintman
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To: MarineBrat
I’m perfectly willing to split the country right down the middle. They can have any half they want. Left, right, top, bottom, middle, edges.... I care not, just as long as I don’t have to live with parasites. But parasites do not willingly leave their hosts. Blood will need to be shed.

We'd need to insist that the country be split up roughly along county lines. The tards don't really own much real estate.

74 posted on 01/03/2014 10:24:29 AM PST by varmintman
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To: Standing Wolf

I recently read the Communist Manifesto. You are absolutely right! It was striking, I’d say, a little surprising that Marx offered no benefit to the proletariat, just a vehicle for their spite. That spite is the product of communist propaganda instead of the natural response against injustice. But it was amazing to me that what you said is clearly written for all to see.

75 posted on 01/03/2014 10:25:58 AM PST by demshateGod (The fool hath said in his heart, There is no God.)
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To: markomalley

Walter E. is a great fellow. I always admire his reasoning. In our national case it’s looking to me like peaceful separation ain’t gonna work. I’m leaning toward separating the trouble makers/ libtards/ snivelers/ commiecrats/ big spenders/ and all the rest who can’t read the Constitution, from their skins. It shouldn’t be necessary to skin very many of them before the rest realize it’s time to shut up and keep their head down. I expect the next election is our “last call.”

76 posted on 01/03/2014 10:28:30 AM PST by cherokee1 (skip the names---just kick the buttz)
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To: paristexas

Privatize and phase them out. The federal government is not empowered by the constitution to be involved in social programs. These are left to the states and the people.

77 posted on 01/03/2014 10:28:35 AM PST by Jim Robinson (Resistance to tyrants is obedience to God!!)
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To: Norm Lenhart

“..So when do we take charge of what we claim to believe in?”

It will take leadership. People like us won’t act in a way that negatively affects our lives. We have families, good jobs, roles at church, and in the community. We’re not, quite, willing to die alone, or be put in the Gulag having our sacrifice accomplish nothing. We are willing to be a part of movement if we see even the slimmest hope.

I think this article is a huge leap forward. So far, the only people saying anything like this are bloggers. Time is coming, maybe in the next year, when we’ll start to see some major civil disobedience. I think it’ll come when they start enforcing the individual mandate.

78 posted on 01/03/2014 10:36:07 AM PST by demshateGod (The fool hath said in his heart, There is no God.)
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To: MrB
One of those irreconcilable differences is that they won’t ever be content to let people live outside of their control

I think you're partly right. Because they're relatively wussies yet want to remain elitists in the larger, pan-world aristocracy, they've given our tax dollars to most every federal agency to militarize (think of "Africanized bees") with plenty of ammo, so, it may be that they'd try to flood us with blue helmets from the UN. That would be bad and hopefully short-lived. But, nukes could be used to make an example of some of us and millions could die if the Left gets Russia, Iran and the Chinese to help subdue "revolting masses of Conservatives," all as cover for their vision of an all-encompassing, one-government world.


79 posted on 01/03/2014 10:40:34 AM PST by holden
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To: Windflier

“There simply isn’t the political will to murder millions of fellow Americans over a purely political question of secession.”

I’m starting to disagree with that. Why are we wanting to secede? Because we’re tired of being the benefactors of the slothful and degenerate. If we threaten to secede will they stop being slothful and degenerate because their benefactors refuse to pay? Will they starve? They won’t.

80 posted on 01/03/2014 10:44:34 AM PST by demshateGod (The fool hath said in his heart, There is no God.)
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