Skip to comments.There Are Irreconciliable Differences Between Liberty-Loving Americans and Leftists
Posted on 01/02/2014 6:41:50 PM PST by markomalley
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Speak for yourself.
A bit of history of ethnic cleansing of the peoples who settled early USA:
That's because the left is willing to employ double standards. We could have easily subdued and occupied that or any other country, but for the ROEs (rules of engagement) levied by the leftist Pentagon, State Dept and Administration that prevented our soldiers from conducting a proper war. The above were so concerned about the delicate sensitivities of the muslims and the UN that our troops had to surrender their lives or risk going to jail (where many sit martyred today) rather than shoot an Afghan "civilian" whom their gut told them was aiding the enemy.
If our present establishment set out to quell a disturbance populated by white Christians, you can bet they would not be so fastidious in respecting such "cultural differences" from the fascist left.
One of those irreconcilable differences is that they won’t ever be content to let people live outside of their control,
while we’d be happy as clams for them to have their collectivist fantasy “over there, in that state” and leave us alone.
I think it's more like an upside down horse shoe. Detroit, Chicago, Minneapolis...
One of the results of the attrition of the good men is that these good men, military trained and all, are now in the general populace that the left seeks to control.
The best way to destroy leftist ideology is to not allow them to include those who don’t want to follow it.
The rest will collapse on its own in a heap of misery.
The leftists are willing to murder for much less consequential reasons - ask Bill Ayers...
I don’t think a armed conflict is required as posed in the question, but I don’t think those on the left will lower themselves to broach the subject. Personally, I believe that talking about it at this point will only serve to blow off steam for those of us who are frustrated with living in a government that was only the stuff that made up bad dreams in the 80’s.
Why should we give them anything? This country has a constitution, and if they want to live in a Communist state let them all move to Venezuela.
Border families like mine didn't fare all that well, either.
Bill Ayers is a throw-back to the type of leftist who wasn't afraid to draw blood in pursuit of their wicked ideals. That sort is the exception, rather than the rule these days.
I'd say the left failed a basic test in the Art of War, wouldn't you?
I think this is the highest profile commentator I’ve read put it this bluntly. Those of us who want freedom, and understand that to be Man’s natural state, are running out of patience. There are just too many of us who won’t be pacified by Big Macs and cable tv.
The States have all the power. They just don’t realize it. Every dollar the feds spend, comes from people who live in states. Of course, that doesn’t count the dollars they print, but that house of cars is going to fall soon.
That's true, and don't think they'll behave any differently if they choose to exert force against secessionist American states. In fact, they'd pull their punches even more than they did in foreign wars when faced with having to subdue their own people.
The other dynamic that needs to be factored in, is the reaction of those being subdued. We're not talking about quelling a localized civil disturbance here. We're talking about the U.S. government executing an act of war against a large segment of the country over a civil process of political dis-union.
The very act of them raising their hand to us in such a manner, would forever shatter the civil compact between us. Such an act would give the secessionist states the legal and moral grounds to retaliate in kind - and they would. The resultant death and destruction would destroy any hope of ever achieving the central objective of such an overt act.
It's a risk that I don't believe the powers-that-be will take. As in any war, there's always the possibility that the aggressor will lose - even when they possess superior firepower, etc. The current regime doesn't have the stones to commit unrestrained violence against any foe - least of all, their own countrymen and kin. Even when extreme violence has been committed against them first, their response has been tempered.
It's a stretch to believe that they'll suddenly find the courage necessary to execute a full scale war against a segment of their own people, when those people have done nothing but choose to enact a political realignment.
Note that Marxists have always executed programs of mass murder and extermination against unarmed populations.
Until they figure out how to disarm us first, it's game-set-match.
That’s true. That’s why I think there may need to be some level of fighting. Hopefully a split will happen, we’ll prosper, and the Sheeple will wise up and demand reform from the Moonbeam Browns and Doofus Patricks.
I’m in agreement with you, but I wonder how many of us could live without Social Security, Medicare, or other federally funded pensions and medical care. We’ve all grown up with these programs and unwittingly gotten so dependent on them, that it would be hard for many older Americans to get by without them. Family ties are not what they were, and the days of being able to count on your children’s help when you are old seem to have disappeared.
My own guess is they'd all be eliminated.
We'd need to insist that the country be split up roughly along county lines. The tards don't really own much real estate.
I recently read the Communist Manifesto. You are absolutely right! It was striking, I’d say, a little surprising that Marx offered no benefit to the proletariat, just a vehicle for their spite. That spite is the product of communist propaganda instead of the natural response against injustice. But it was amazing to me that what you said is clearly written for all to see.
Walter E. is a great fellow. I always admire his reasoning. In our national case it’s looking to me like peaceful separation ain’t gonna work. I’m leaning toward separating the trouble makers/ libtards/ snivelers/ commiecrats/ big spenders/ and all the rest who can’t read the Constitution, from their skins. It shouldn’t be necessary to skin very many of them before the rest realize it’s time to shut up and keep their head down. I expect the next election is our “last call.”
Privatize and phase them out. The federal government is not empowered by the constitution to be involved in social programs. These are left to the states and the people.
“..So when do we take charge of what we claim to believe in?”
It will take leadership. People like us won’t act in a way that negatively affects our lives. We have families, good jobs, roles at church, and in the community. We’re not, quite, willing to die alone, or be put in the Gulag having our sacrifice accomplish nothing. We are willing to be a part of movement if we see even the slimmest hope.
I think this article is a huge leap forward. So far, the only people saying anything like this are bloggers. Time is coming, maybe in the next year, when we’ll start to see some major civil disobedience. I think it’ll come when they start enforcing the individual mandate.
I think you're partly right. Because they're relatively wussies yet want to remain elitists in the larger, pan-world aristocracy, they've given our tax dollars to most every federal agency to militarize (think of "Africanized bees") with plenty of ammo, so, it may be that they'd try to flood us with blue helmets from the UN. That would be bad and hopefully short-lived. But, nukes could be used to make an example of some of us and millions could die if the Left gets Russia, Iran and the Chinese to help subdue "revolting masses of Conservatives," all as cover for their vision of an all-encompassing, one-government world.
“There simply isn’t the political will to murder millions of fellow Americans over a purely political question of secession.”
I’m starting to disagree with that. Why are we wanting to secede? Because we’re tired of being the benefactors of the slothful and degenerate. If we threaten to secede will they stop being slothful and degenerate because their benefactors refuse to pay? Will they starve? They won’t.
When it comes to that they will have no bargaining power. Nothing they say, short of threatening force, will matter. This wouldn’t be a negotiations, this would be a unilateral severing of ties. They could build walls around their blue enclaves and extort money out of anyone wanting to leave, but they couldn’t tell Texas, Oklahoma, and Kansas to give them anything.
They won't leave you alone even then Walter. Communists are globalists. There is no escaping dealing with them.
I think Iraq and Afghanistan are good examples, however, I do think the gloves would come off on us. We could defeat every Jihadi in the world in about 20 minutes if we took the gloves off. Our postmodernist leadership lacks a moral imperative when it comes to other cultures. They have no such vacillations when it comes to God fearing knuckle draggers in flyover country. They’ll just call in the Trayvons. “Those crazy crackers are taking away your food stamps.”
The Long March through the Institutions.
“....suddenly turn bad@** when a few red states decide to” take away their paychecks?
Who wouldn't prefer this peaceful solution. But I'm afraid this is not possible in a nation now overrun with a critical mass of parasites; unmoved, unteachable, implacable, and evil.
This will be a bloody resolution. there is no other way.
Pajama Boy won’t do the fighting. They’ll use the Somalis, Mexicans, Syrians, etc they’re importing. They’ll use everyone on food stamps who’ll starve if the producers leave. They’ll lose.
4 Americans offed in Benghazi, A whole bunch of SEALs offed in the Stan. God knows how many Mexicans via Fast and Furious, Drone strikes wherever he chooses killing anything that moves on command.
Benghazi was an act of brazen cowardice by the regime. Those men died because no one in the regime had the stones to let our warriors do what warriors do.
Same with Fast and Furious. All they did was step back and allow those guns to travel to Mexico, and the cartels did the dirty work for them.
Drone strikes are also a cowardly, clinical method of killing. They'd also have little real impact in an all-out war where the number of combatants is in the millions.
None of the examples you mentioned disproves what I postulated in my previous post. The current crop of leftists in power simply doesn't possess the personal or political will to execute a full scale war against any foe - especially one against their own people - and on their own soil.
These people are bullies who shrink in front of those who won't back down in a real fight.
Observe their reactions to the bloodthirsty Islamic jihad. Look at how they coddle various murderous despots and regimes around the world. Note how they almost appear to worship imprisoned killers in our own prisons.
How about their reaction to the invasive, colonizing hordes from south of the border? Those people have destroyed whole sectors of our economy and the well being of tens of millions of Americans, yet the left molly coddles them as though they're political refugees in need of succor and compassion.
Let's not even talk about how they react to the pathological behavior of Obama's 'sons'.
No, they only exhibit 'bravery' when it comes to safe targets. Like a population of well behaved, law abiding patriots who have the self restraint and moral grounding to keep from exploding in all-out rebellion against them.
Normie, they're cowards of the worst sort. Do not fear them. If worse ever comes to worst in this country, they'll back right down in the face of millions of angry citizens who truly mean business.
No, they'll stop being slothful and degenerate when they no longer have access to the fruits of our labor. Only real secession will accomplish that.
All I ask is the same as I asked in my divorce. Take it all... all you want... everything we did together is yours. 100%. Just let me escape from this place and live with people who respect me and treat me with human dignity, and I'm perfectly happy to start over with next to nothing. I will build it into a happy place because there's nobody to tear me down. I wish you well. Goodbye!
Obama is setting things up for the AC.
I agree with what you are saying here but here’s the thing.
You will never get principled leaders to step up and hang their posterior out there when the people they would lead can’t be trusted.
Would you personally put your life, and the life of your family in the hands of people who will turn tail and run at the first sign of trouble? Probably not. That said...
When out of all the bluff and bluster we see on conservative forums, a significant chunk of that hyperpatriotic base will spend literal MONTHS arguing that we must compromise the very beliefs we claim because of fear the other guy is worse, can you honestly expect a leader to look at this ‘base’, what it’s made of when the rubber hits the road over mere elections (nameless, faceless casting of ballots) and say “When my ass is on the line and the force of liberalism unites against me, I can trust these people to have my back?”
Seriously think about this folks. When so many here and elsewhere screamed (and still to this day scream) that we have to vote lesser evil in an attempt to have the alligator chomp us last, what principled leader do you see rising to lead us?
People can rail me all they want but it is what it is and deep down, each and every one of you know it. If you want a leader to rise and lead, it helps to be worthy of leading.
You’re exactly right. The losers in Cincinnati aren’t going to starve when what they want lies just a few miles away in Kentucky.
I don't think so, more likely they would form alliances with their ideological brothers in China, Russia, north Koria and Iran.
After the first border dispute and their defeat at the battle field that will be known as Pajama Boys Ruin, they will not hesitate to import an army and wage open war.
They might try to, but those guys wouldn't have a stake in a fight to pull the left's bacon from the fire. A mercenary force would have no heart for it, and probably wouldn't even show up if they paid them.
There's no good way out of this for the left. The best they can hope for, is if we go back to sleep. How's that going to happen while the worst of the hard core left is still in charge of their party? Those people will never let go of the power, and they'll never change their modus operandi, so the plot of this movie is pretty much pre-determined. Things WILL eventually come to some sort of showdown, and they WILL lose the final battle for supremacy.
I'm not the only one who feels it's time to divide the country...
They might, but when has such a force won any war? They'd have to be motivated by some mighty tall promises to risk their lives against tens of millions of highly motivated (and well armed) native inhabitants.
It’s not a case of fear. I do not fear anyone. ESPECIALLY the pajamaboys. I think what we got here is a failure to communicate Windy ;)
What I am saying is that there is a leadership that pulled the literal trigger on all the scenarios I listed that don’t fear us either. They will send out the militant earth dirsters and ALF terrorists, they will send out their anarchists, the Black panthers, mobilize the knockout kings, wind’em up and watch’em go. With the military set against itself and out of effective action and a significant part of a militarized police force ready to shoot anything that does not respect their authorit-a-y, you have chaos, terror and all the shock troops the left needs to do massive damage to everything. And everyone. Then you have all the foreign UN troops that train regularly for the specific scenario right here on our shores.
I’m sorry windy, and you know I respect you greatly. But you would have to be blind to not see how literal this scenario could get in a heartbeat.
Sure we will ultimately win. But the toll will be hellacious and all the pajamaboys will be doing what they always do. Getting in the way and being the useful idiots they have always been. They are cannon foder as they have been for millenia and will be used as such. But used they will be.
The reason they don’t work now is because they believe someone owes them. That’s not going to change. I think they’ll fight, and lose.
You're misreading these people. They only exhibit 'bravery' when facing safe targets. Like well behaved, law abiding citizens, who are moral and civilized. They exhibit no such 'bravery' in the face of people who will kill them without flinching. In fact, they back down to them in innumerable ways.
If they do anything to break the social compact with us, or destroy the thin veneer of civility that exists between us, they'll suddenly be facing a more determined and violent foe than they can imagine.
The brighter among them know this. It's why they've so diligently attempted to slowly disarm us. As long as the people have the capability to return fire, they'll never do a bloody thing.