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To: markomalley
"We can like sheep submit to those who have contempt for liberty and our Constitution.

We can resist, fight and risk bloodshed and death in an attempt to force America's tyrants to respect our liberties and Constitution.

A superior alternative is to find a way to peaceably separate into states whose citizens respect liberty and the Constitution.

My personal preference is a restoration of the constitutional values of limited government that made us a great nation."

Walter Williams must be reading the minds of every patriot in the country. Those four distinct outcomes are at the forefront of all of our thoughts these days.

I've contemplated them all, and like Walter Williams, I'd most prefer the fourth outcome in the list. I just don't see how we as a nation can get there, with half the population desiring a totalitarian Socialist system of government. They're never going to allow the rest of us to peacefully restore the nation to its constitutional moorings. In fact, the other side has done everything in their power to subvert the civil system to prevent that outcome.

What to do? We have to choose one of those paths and follow it with full self determination. If we don't choose one of those solutions and push toward realizing it, we will wind up in a situation that resembles a full blown Marxist dictatorship (and I don't mean the soft tyranny of Obama).

If we can't pull off the most desired outcome (and it looks more and more like we can't), then I'd say the next best solution is a peaceful separation.

Of course, secession by several red states would produce quite a lot of dislocation and social disturbance, but I don't see the type of federal response the nation witnessed in 1861. There simply isn't the political will to murder millions of fellow Americans over a purely political question of secession.

27 posted on 01/02/2014 9:44:09 PM PST by Windflier (To anger a conservative, tell him a lie. To anger a liberal, tell him the truth.)
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To: Windflier

Only one problem though. There is less than zero percent chance of the left willingly giving up the source of it’s power...our cash...that would go away with peaceful seperation.


30 posted on 01/02/2014 10:08:25 PM PST by Norm Lenhart
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To: Windflier

“There simply isn’t the political will to murder millions of Americans.”

I believe the left has always been willing to do this it has always been their end game everywhere Marxist governments have been installed.


49 posted on 01/03/2014 7:29:24 AM PST by WilliamRobert (Obama is responsible for the genocide of millions of Americans)
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To: Windflier
"There simply isn't the political will to murder millions of fellow Americans over a purely political question of secession."

The leftists are willing to murder for much less consequential reasons - ask Bill Ayers...

59 posted on 01/03/2014 9:30:05 AM PST by uncommonsense (Liberals see what they believe; Conservatives believe what they see.)
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To: Windflier

“There simply isn’t the political will to murder millions of fellow Americans over a purely political question of secession.”

I’m starting to disagree with that. Why are we wanting to secede? Because we’re tired of being the benefactors of the slothful and degenerate. If we threaten to secede will they stop being slothful and degenerate because their benefactors refuse to pay? Will they starve? They won’t.


80 posted on 01/03/2014 10:44:34 AM PST by demshateGod (The fool hath said in his heart, There is no God.)
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