Skip to comments.ERs seeing overcrowding as more patients covered by Medicaid
Posted on 01/03/2014 5:16:06 AM PST by tobyhill
Emergency rooms are overcrowded and a new study says many patients could be treated for less at clinics or offices.
Experts say that people who have recently signed up for Medicaid went to the ER 40-percent more than others looking for treatment that could be addressed at doctor's offices or urgent care clinics.
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If people do not have proof of insurance, will the ER still see them?
If so and obammacare requires health insurance, why would this happen?
Is the ER will still see them, then why buy health insurance?
Some inner city operations...DC’s hospitals on the eastside for example...will see anyone, period....and just rely upon the city government to cough up money later. This is why most urban towns are in serious political and financial trouble.
In Bama, they will ask about your insurance policy, and the most you get is some marginal help at the emergency room. If you can’t show nothing...other than stopping the bleeding...they won’t do much else. X-rays? Forget it unless you show proof or cough up money. I’ve seen this before and it’s hard to get any commerical medical system to work without cash or proof.
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One was faced with a $3,000 hospital room charge and opted to leave the hospital after experiencing chest pains
‘Should I be in the hospital? Probably,’ she said
Another, coughing in the cold, walked out without receiving a needed chest x-ray
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This is probably also a function of all the doctors’ offices that have opted out of Medicare. Fewer and fewer providers will accept it, so many people have nowhere else to go. Also, I don’t know about Medicare, but regular Obamacare drastically shrinks the geographic coverage area. If it has done the same to Medicare, and there are no offices that accept Medicare within the coverage area, then these people have no choice.
“If people do not have proof of insurance, will the ER still see them?”
I work for a regional hospital: WE ARE REQUIRED TO TREAT ALL PATIENTS WHO COME TO THE ER! Insurance or not. Paper cut or major trauma. You would be amazed how many people come to the EMERGENCY room for non-emergencies (i.e. trivial complaints). Our town has a lot of illegal aliens and others without insurance who use the ER as a routine walk-in clinic...cannot turn anyone away for any reason.
Since doctors’ offices can (for the moment) legally not see certain patients, ERs across the country will be burdened further and further. Many hospitals will go bankrupt. Keep in mind that if an ER turns away a patient, or doesn’t fully treat a patient: AN EXPENSIVE LAWSUIT FOLLOWS!
I live in Massachusetts and there are a lot of people without insurance (even though it is “required”). You cannot make someone buy something not matter how much you legislate it....Obamacare is designed knowing this. Overwhelm and collapse the system into one-payer socialized medicine. The quality of care will start declining quickly.
So, use communism/socialism to overload the system, create a crisis and bankrupt the nation. That will motivate people to demand more communism/socialism.
That makes no sense.
It's true there is no viable solution down this path -- but the way that the politicians intend to "sell" this to the public seems pretty clear to me.
And, of course, once real tyranny is fully in place, you no longer have to "sell" anything or justify anything. The political elite have total control and nothing will touch them short of full revolution. They don't think we have it in us, and so they are pressing forward for the real tyranny as their final solution. They think their power will be locked in.
poor people go to the emergency room for an ear infection. It is their first stop. stupid
It does if the system that eradicated choice, I.e., the market system, remains in place and continues to not allow the market to create options, I.e., totalitarian communism management of health care. No market, no choice.
I think that’s what we’re [hopefully] seeing with Obamacare.
People are at least seeing a bit of a glimmer of the truth that the government can’t and shouldn’t run things like this.
Too many people see “the free market” as one of the “choices”.
The “free market” is simply reality, like gravity.
It exists and will be the default when nothing is artificially propping up something else.
Another Obamacare selling point goes into the toilet.
How many times did we hear, “if more poor people have access to insurance, they won’t clog up the emergency rooms”?
ER's are usually required to treat anyone.
If so and obammacare requires health insurance, why would this happen?
Many millions still do not have insurance. Millions of illegals do not.
If the ER will still see them, then why buy health insurance?
If you have ID and assets or a job, the hospital will pursue you for the debt. Many have gone without insurance or a regular physician and just use the ER when ill.
Calling a Medicaid clinic for an appointment might take a month or longer.
Now that these customers have Medicaid “insurance”, they want service pronto, chop-chop.
The behavior is to be expected, the word of Obama and other libs that O’care would cut the number of ER visits made my head spin when I first heard it.
Years ago (probably 25 or so), I was young and didn’t have a regular doctor, so I went to the ER for a sore throat. The young doctor who treated me couldn’t conceal his annoyance at the fact that I was there for something so trivial, but in those days there weren’t any walk-in clinics like we have today. Those are a godsend.
BTW, I did pay my bill.
apparently some hospitals have stopped providing routine or pecautionary care, like a chest X-Ray for Maria who has a cough. “Treat” may mean see and asess, but not further treat
once the obamacare middle class figures out the cost of paying deductibles and copays, and that a trip to the ER means hundreds or thousands out of pocket, the rush to the ERs will be all or mostly freebie seeking gimmedats
sadly some Americans will die because of their hesitation to seek care due to the new very high costs, a sea change for Americans needing healthcare
Agreed, even when it is in “black market” form.
Does this include private hospitals? Memphis has only 1 public hospital, and the illegals have taken it over as a doctors office. The only part of the hospital that is profitable is the top notch Neonatal Unit and the Elvis P, Trauma unit. Both serve ARK, MISS and TN (memphis and surrounding counties)
” They don’t think we have it in us, and so they are pressing forward for the real tyranny as their final solution. They think their power will be locked in.”
I agree with that analysis; however, that view held by elitists doesn’t mean they’re looking at the situation intelligently. They’re not. As it stands today, 90% of Americans think the elite fascists in DC have too much power. Thought precedes action.
While doing independent contract work for an Israeli company back in 2011, we noted the elitist play for power in Libya. That blew up in their faces after 75% of Libya’s army deserted and attacked the elitist power structure. Those soldiers allied with the provincial militias were hanging elitists all across the country. Forget the fantasy you hear about al Queda and muslim radicals taking over the country. That’s not what happened.
The elitists were running around in circles, not knowing what to do. Their power play ended in getting themselves killed. Quite simply, elitists are not warriors; they’re egoistical money-worshipping Philistines who overplay their hand. Libya scared the snot out of the elitists, so they’re making the same stupid move now that they did in Libya.
I don’t think we’ll be indiscriminately hanging them on lampposts from sea to shining sea like in Libya. We’re more civilized and will hold brief Nuremberg style trials first.
Not exactly. The ER is required to screen and stabilize any emergency conditions. Once they screen you and you have been evaluated and no such condition exists they can then discharge you. Failure to do the above can result in an EMTALA Federal Law violation. You can’t sue for that. Unless they get that wrong.
Practically most ERs just go ahead and treat non emergencies and try to bill what they can. In most ER s I’ve worked in about 25 to 35 % of the patients were a complete write off ie “ no pay”.
If the government orders someone else to pay for my meals, why should I order a McDonald’s Burger when I can order steak!
If the Government orders others to pay for my medical care why should I go to a common clinic when I can go to a HOSPITAL and maybe get a free meal and a room for some minor thing?
EMTALA - ERs cannot refuse to treat people without insurance.
And, Medicaid charges no co-pay for the ER, but charges one for a doctor’s visit (minimal, like $5 or so).
Indeed socialism is the first step to communism.
If a guy is rushed into ER at 2 am with an impacted gerbil or other objects. How will Obamacare cover this situation? How much will it pay for the extraction procedure. Does it allow him he to see his doctor, veternarian, dentist, chiropractor, plumber, or other practitioner of choice to perform the extraction. I’m series. This happens more often than you know. Just ask any ER personnel.
That’s what you get when you increase demand and not supply.
The Medicaid folks already got their cards and are good to go.
Covered CA Silver has a $250 ER co-pay after the deductible, add co-pays for x-rays, tests and such your talking an expensive visit to the ER. Remember your wallet is being triaged just as your body is. If you have coverage they will find something to do. One visit could hit your out of pocket max.