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ERs seeing overcrowding as more patients covered by Medicaid
WHEC NBC ^ | 1/3/2014 | staff

Posted on 01/03/2014 5:16:06 AM PST by tobyhill

Emergency rooms are overcrowded and a new study says many patients could be treated for less at clinics or offices.

Experts say that people who have recently signed up for Medicaid went to the ER 40-percent more than others looking for treatment that could be addressed at doctor's offices or urgent care clinics.

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1 posted on 01/03/2014 5:16:06 AM PST by tobyhill
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To: tobyhill

2 posted on 01/03/2014 5:19:10 AM PST by ClearCase_guy
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To: tobyhill

If people do not have proof of insurance, will the ER still see them?
If so and obammacare requires health insurance, why would this happen?
Is the ER will still see them, then why buy health insurance?


3 posted on 01/03/2014 5:21:40 AM PST by rawhide
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To: rawhide

Some inner city operations...DC’s hospitals on the eastside for example...will see anyone, period....and just rely upon the city government to cough up money later. This is why most urban towns are in serious political and financial trouble.

In Bama, they will ask about your insurance policy, and the most you get is some marginal help at the emergency room. If you can’t show nothing...other than stopping the bleeding...they won’t do much else. X-rays? Forget it unless you show proof or cough up money. I’ve seen this before and it’s hard to get any commerical medical system to work without cash or proof.


4 posted on 01/03/2014 5:27:03 AM PST by pepsionice
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To: tobyhill

‘They had no idea if my insurance was active or not!’: Obamacare confusion reigns as frustrated patients walk out of hospitals without treatment
MailOnline spoke with patients who were told they would have to pay their bills in full if they couldn’t prove they had insurance
One was faced with a $3,000 hospital room charge and opted to leave the hospital after experiencing chest pains
‘Should I be in the hospital? Probably,’ she said
Another, coughing in the cold, walked out without receiving a needed chest x-ray
Consumers face sticker-shock from medical costs under the new Obamacare system, made worse if they can’t prove they’re insured
As many as one-third of new enrollees’ applications have seen problems when the government transmits them to insurance companies

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2532869/They-no-idea-insurance-active-not-At-Virginia-hospitals-Obamacare-confusion-reigns-frustrated-patients-walk-out.html#ixzz2pLFXtOUP


5 posted on 01/03/2014 5:27:32 AM PST by ilovesarah2012
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To: tobyhill; rawhide

This is probably also a function of all the doctors’ offices that have opted out of Medicare. Fewer and fewer providers will accept it, so many people have nowhere else to go. Also, I don’t know about Medicare, but regular Obamacare drastically shrinks the geographic coverage area. If it has done the same to Medicare, and there are no offices that accept Medicare within the coverage area, then these people have no choice.


6 posted on 01/03/2014 5:28:33 AM PST by Little Pig (Vi Veri Veniversum Vivus Vici.)
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To: rawhide

“If people do not have proof of insurance, will the ER still see them?”

I work for a regional hospital: WE ARE REQUIRED TO TREAT ALL PATIENTS WHO COME TO THE ER! Insurance or not. Paper cut or major trauma. You would be amazed how many people come to the EMERGENCY room for non-emergencies (i.e. trivial complaints). Our town has a lot of illegal aliens and others without insurance who use the ER as a routine walk-in clinic...cannot turn anyone away for any reason.

Since doctors’ offices can (for the moment) legally not see certain patients, ERs across the country will be burdened further and further. Many hospitals will go bankrupt. Keep in mind that if an ER turns away a patient, or doesn’t fully treat a patient: AN EXPENSIVE LAWSUIT FOLLOWS!

I live in Massachusetts and there are a lot of people without insurance (even though it is “required”). You cannot make someone buy something not matter how much you legislate it....Obamacare is designed knowing this. Overwhelm and collapse the system into one-payer socialized medicine. The quality of care will start declining quickly.


7 posted on 01/03/2014 5:34:12 AM PST by Mrs. B.S. Roberts
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To: ClearCase_guy

So, use communism/socialism to overload the system, create a crisis and bankrupt the nation. That will motivate people to demand more communism/socialism.

That makes no sense.


8 posted on 01/03/2014 5:44:29 AM PST by sergeantdave
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To: sergeantdave
But, we are supposed blame the Republicans for why it's not working. Obamacare -- you see -- would be a wonderful system, but the Republicans messed it up. Now the system is overloaded and it doesn't work. So the (obvious) solution is to go full Single Payer and get 100% of the country on Medicaid. Then, through rationing, we can all be at an equal level of healthcare, and the world will be a worker's paradise.

It's true there is no viable solution down this path -- but the way that the politicians intend to "sell" this to the public seems pretty clear to me.

And, of course, once real tyranny is fully in place, you no longer have to "sell" anything or justify anything. The political elite have total control and nothing will touch them short of full revolution. They don't think we have it in us, and so they are pressing forward for the real tyranny as their final solution. They think their power will be locked in.

9 posted on 01/03/2014 5:53:17 AM PST by ClearCase_guy
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To: tobyhill

poor people go to the emergency room for an ear infection. It is their first stop. stupid


10 posted on 01/03/2014 5:58:55 AM PST by yldstrk (My heroes have always been cowboys)
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To: sergeantdave

It does if the system that eradicated choice, I.e., the market system, remains in place and continues to not allow the market to create options, I.e., totalitarian communism management of health care. No market, no choice.


11 posted on 01/03/2014 6:01:05 AM PST by john drake
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To: sergeantdave

I think that’s what we’re [hopefully] seeing with Obamacare.

People are at least seeing a bit of a glimmer of the truth that the government can’t and shouldn’t run things like this.


12 posted on 01/03/2014 6:02:28 AM PST by MrB (The difference between a Humanist and a Satanist - the latter admits whom he's working for)
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To: john drake

Too many people see “the free market” as one of the “choices”.

The “free market” is simply reality, like gravity.

It exists and will be the default when nothing is artificially propping up something else.


13 posted on 01/03/2014 6:03:47 AM PST by MrB (The difference between a Humanist and a Satanist - the latter admits whom he's working for)
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To: tobyhill

Another Obamacare selling point goes into the toilet.

How many times did we hear, “if more poor people have access to insurance, they won’t clog up the emergency rooms”?


14 posted on 01/03/2014 6:04:21 AM PST by randita
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To: rawhide
If people do not have proof of insurance, will the ER still see them?

ER's are usually required to treat anyone.

If so and obammacare requires health insurance, why would this happen?

Many millions still do not have insurance. Millions of illegals do not.

If the ER will still see them, then why buy health insurance?

If you have ID and assets or a job, the hospital will pursue you for the debt. Many have gone without insurance or a regular physician and just use the ER when ill.

15 posted on 01/03/2014 6:06:44 AM PST by iowamark (I must study politics and war that my sons may have liberty to study mathematics and philosophy)
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To: tobyhill

Calling a Medicaid clinic for an appointment might take a month or longer.

Now that these customers have Medicaid “insurance”, they want service pronto, chop-chop.

The behavior is to be expected, the word of Obama and other libs that O’care would cut the number of ER visits made my head spin when I first heard it.


16 posted on 01/03/2014 6:09:33 AM PST by I_Like_Spam
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To: tobyhill

Years ago (probably 25 or so), I was young and didn’t have a regular doctor, so I went to the ER for a sore throat. The young doctor who treated me couldn’t conceal his annoyance at the fact that I was there for something so trivial, but in those days there weren’t any walk-in clinics like we have today. Those are a godsend.

BTW, I did pay my bill.


17 posted on 01/03/2014 6:25:23 AM PST by rightwingintelligentsia (Democrats: The perfect party for the helpless and stupid, and those who would rule over them.)
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To: Mrs. B.S. Roberts

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2532869/They-no-idea-insurance-active-not-At-Virginia-hospitals-Obamacare-confusion-reigns-frustrated-patients-walk-out.html#ixzz2pLFXtOUP

apparently some hospitals have stopped providing routine or pecautionary care, like a chest X-Ray for Maria who has a cough. “Treat” may mean see and asess, but not further treat

once the obamacare middle class figures out the cost of paying deductibles and copays, and that a trip to the ER means hundreds or thousands out of pocket, the rush to the ERs will be all or mostly freebie seeking gimmedats

sadly some Americans will die because of their hesitation to seek care due to the new very high costs, a sea change for Americans needing healthcare


18 posted on 01/03/2014 6:26:58 AM PST by silverleaf (Age takes a toll: Please have exact change)
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To: rawhide

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2532869/They-no-idea-insurance-active-not-At-Virginia-hospitals-Obamacare-confusion-reigns-frustrated-patients-walk-out.html#ixzz2pLFXtOUP


19 posted on 01/03/2014 6:27:38 AM PST by silverleaf (Age takes a toll: Please have exact change)
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To: MrB

Agreed, even when it is in “black market” form.


20 posted on 01/03/2014 6:43:59 AM PST by john drake
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To: pepsionice

Does this include private hospitals? Memphis has only 1 public hospital, and the illegals have taken it over as a doctors office. The only part of the hospital that is profitable is the top notch Neonatal Unit and the Elvis P, Trauma unit. Both serve ARK, MISS and TN (memphis and surrounding counties)


21 posted on 01/03/2014 7:04:11 AM PST by GailA (THOSE WHO DON'T KEEP PROMISES TO THE MILITARY, WON'T KEEP THEM TO U!)
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To: ClearCase_guy

” They don’t think we have it in us, and so they are pressing forward for the real tyranny as their final solution. They think their power will be locked in.”

I agree with that analysis; however, that view held by elitists doesn’t mean they’re looking at the situation intelligently. They’re not. As it stands today, 90% of Americans think the elite fascists in DC have too much power. Thought precedes action.

While doing independent contract work for an Israeli company back in 2011, we noted the elitist play for power in Libya. That blew up in their faces after 75% of Libya’s army deserted and attacked the elitist power structure. Those soldiers allied with the provincial militias were hanging elitists all across the country. Forget the fantasy you hear about al Queda and muslim radicals taking over the country. That’s not what happened.

The elitists were running around in circles, not knowing what to do. Their power play ended in getting themselves killed. Quite simply, elitists are not warriors; they’re egoistical money-worshipping Philistines who overplay their hand. Libya scared the snot out of the elitists, so they’re making the same stupid move now that they did in Libya.

I don’t think we’ll be indiscriminately hanging them on lampposts from sea to shining sea like in Libya. We’re more civilized and will hold brief Nuremberg style trials first.


22 posted on 01/03/2014 7:13:47 AM PST by sergeantdave
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To: Mrs. B.S. Roberts

Not exactly. The ER is required to screen and stabilize any emergency conditions. Once they screen you and you have been evaluated and no such condition exists they can then discharge you. Failure to do the above can result in an EMTALA Federal Law violation. You can’t sue for that. Unless they get that wrong.

Practically most ERs just go ahead and treat non emergencies and try to bill what they can. In most ER s I’ve worked in about 25 to 35 % of the patients were a complete write off ie “ no pay”.


23 posted on 01/03/2014 7:24:46 AM PST by Kozak ("Send them back your fierce defiance! Stamp upon the cursed alliance! To arms, to arms in Dixie!)
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To: tobyhill

If the government orders someone else to pay for my meals, why should I order a McDonald’s Burger when I can order steak!

If the Government orders others to pay for my medical care why should I go to a common clinic when I can go to a HOSPITAL and maybe get a free meal and a room for some minor thing?


24 posted on 01/03/2014 7:41:53 AM PST by Ruy Dias de Bivar (Sometimes you need 7+ more ammo. LOTS MORE.)
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To: rawhide

EMTALA - ERs cannot refuse to treat people without insurance.


25 posted on 01/03/2014 8:24:13 AM PST by Patriotic1 (Dic mihi solum facta, domina - Just the facts, ma'am)
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To: Little Pig

And, Medicaid charges no co-pay for the ER, but charges one for a doctor’s visit (minimal, like $5 or so).


26 posted on 01/03/2014 8:25:16 AM PST by Patriotic1 (Dic mihi solum facta, domina - Just the facts, ma'am)
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To: ClearCase_guy

Indeed socialism is the first step to communism.


27 posted on 01/03/2014 8:31:52 AM PST by Vaduz
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To: tobyhill

If a guy is rushed into ER at 2 am with an impacted gerbil or other objects. How will Obamacare cover this situation? How much will it pay for the extraction procedure. Does it allow him he to see his doctor, veternarian, dentist, chiropractor, plumber, or other practitioner of choice to perform the extraction. I’m series. This happens more often than you know. Just ask any ER personnel.


28 posted on 01/03/2014 8:55:29 AM PST by Texicanus ( But doctor I'm bleeding... Sorry son, I've got to go pull a gerbil out of some guy's ass.)
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To: tobyhill

That’s what you get when you increase demand and not supply.
H.S. Econ.


29 posted on 01/03/2014 12:41:14 PM PST by Mike Darancette (Do The Math)
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To: rawhide
If people do not have proof of insurance, will the ER still see them?

The Medicaid folks already got their cards and are good to go.

30 posted on 01/03/2014 12:43:06 PM PST by Mike Darancette (Do The Math)
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To: silverleaf
sadly some Americans will die because of their hesitation to seek care due to the new very high costs, a sea change for Americans needing healthcare.

Covered CA Silver has a $250 ER co-pay after the deductible, add co-pays for x-rays, tests and such your talking an expensive visit to the ER. Remember your wallet is being triaged just as your body is. If you have coverage they will find something to do. One visit could hit your out of pocket max.

31 posted on 01/03/2014 1:24:06 PM PST by Mike Darancette (Do The Math)
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