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Producers Panic as Ethanol Mandate Loses Support
Oil Price ^ | 02 January 2014 | James Stafford

Posted on 01/03/2014 5:30:46 AM PST by thackney

Ethanol producers are panicking amid speculation that the ethanol mandate could be drastically reduced or scrapped entirely this year as the biofuel loses its allure and bipartisan allies and former friends team up against it.

December saw California Democrat Dianne Feinstein—a renewable fuel champion--coordinate efforts with Oklahoma Republican Tom Coburn to come up with a Senate bill to get rid of ethanol from the Renewable Fuel Standard (RFS), citing fears that corn-based fuel production mandates will harm livestock producers.

In November, Washington proposed cutting the biofuels mandate for 2014 by 16% to 15.21 billion gallons. This would be the first cut in biofuels requirements, which were ideally set to grow each year with incremental increases in renewable fuel targets laid out in a 2007 law.

For renewable fuel targets, this represents a major setback because not only is 15.21 billion gallons for 2014 much less than the originally intended 18.15 billion gallons, it is also less than this year’s mandate of 16.55 billion gallons.

Two years ago the Environmental Protection Agency (EPA) approved the E15 blend, which contains 15% ethanol and 85% gasoline, for vehicles manufactured in 2001 or later. There has been little progress towards widespread use of E15 though, and today’s blend is commonly E10.

The problem is that the RFS set its parameters too far ahead and predictions are a tricky thing....

(Excerpt) Read more at oilprice.com ...


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1 posted on 01/03/2014 5:30:46 AM PST by thackney
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To: thackney

It can only be a good thing to eliminate ethanol, period.


2 posted on 01/03/2014 5:33:21 AM PST by Jonty30 (What Islam and secularism have in common is that they are both death cults)
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To: thackney
citing fears that corn-based fuel production mandates will harm livestock producers.

Uh politicians, how about the production mandates hurting consumers??

3 posted on 01/03/2014 5:35:44 AM PST by Tea Party Terrorist (Why work for a living when you can vote for a living?)
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To: thackney

This might help Bakken producers


4 posted on 01/03/2014 5:37:22 AM PST by STJPII
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To: STJPII
This might help Bakken producers

I don't see it having an effect in the next decade or so.

5 posted on 01/03/2014 5:38:14 AM PST by thackney (life is fragile, handle with prayer)
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To: thackney

We don’t have a single vehicle that is 2001 or later. We have to drive quite a distance for “marine” gas (non ethanol)


6 posted on 01/03/2014 5:39:13 AM PST by Marie Antoinette (:)
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To: Jonty30

True but now we will have the ethanol bail-out.


7 posted on 01/03/2014 5:41:14 AM PST by edcoil (System now set up not to allow some to win but for no one to lose!)
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To: thackney
Those that jumped on the ethanol bandwagon knew the ride was going to be short.

I have no sympathy for the 'losers'

If they were really smart, they took their profits and invested in underground fuel tanks, entire home generators and MRE's

8 posted on 01/03/2014 5:41:24 AM PST by knarf (I say things that are true .. I have no proof .. but they're true.)
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To: Marie Antoinette
The industry was winding up to ram 15 percent ethanol into every gallon. Wonder what happened ?
9 posted on 01/03/2014 5:46:17 AM PST by Eric in the Ozarks ("Say Not the Struggle Naught Availeth.")
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To: thackney

I’m not sure most people realize how damaging Ethanol is to most vehicles, especially the engine. Mandating the e85 blend is just insanity.


10 posted on 01/03/2014 5:46:21 AM PST by rbg81
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To: thackney

Live by government central planning, die by government central planning.


11 posted on 01/03/2014 5:46:50 AM PST by MulberryDraw (Repeal it.)
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To: thackney

Another meddling Feral Government boondoggle that has cost taxpayers billions of dollars (Maybe hundreds of billions) to waste energy in production of ethanol, reduce auto mileage, damage car engines and increase the cost of food.

But the corn and ethanol producers love the government subsidies which is nothing more than corporate welfare by politicians for their crony capitalist pals.


12 posted on 01/03/2014 5:48:10 AM PST by Iron Munro (Orwell: There are some ideas so absurd that only an intellectual could believe them.)
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To: thackney

Burning food for fuel is very stupid. Raised world food prices and starved a lot of people.

I have had my tag line for a long time.


13 posted on 01/03/2014 5:51:40 AM PST by hadaclueonce (Because Brawndo's got electrolytes. Because Ethanol has Big Corn Lobby)
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To: rbg81

Ethanol had about as much allure as Barb Mikulski in a bikini.

Liberals are annoying and ignorant but ambitious - they constantly try to repeal the laws of economics, physics, and chemistry. A gasoline engine is just that.


14 posted on 01/03/2014 5:51:42 AM PST by relictele (Principiis obsta & Finem respice - Resist The Beginnings & Consider The End)
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To: hadaclueonce

Time for the EPA to go away.


15 posted on 01/03/2014 5:52:44 AM PST by hadaclueonce (Because Brawndo's got electrolytes. Because Ethanol has Big Corn Lobby)
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To: hadaclueonce
Time for the EPA to go away.

Time for ALL the Departments and agencies that begin with the letter "E" to go away.

EPA, Energy and Education. Everyone of them is a total failure and an overwhelming burden on taxpayers.

16 posted on 01/03/2014 5:55:41 AM PST by N. Theknow (Kennedys-Can't drive, can't ski, can't fly, can't skipper a boat-But they know what's best for you.)
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To: thackney

I hate that ethanol and it takes more energy to produce it than it produces. All it did was give the corn growers an outlet


17 posted on 01/03/2014 5:56:46 AM PST by yldstrk (My heroes have always been cowboys)
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To: hadaclueonce
I have had my tag line for a long time.

And a fine tag line it is. I wouldn't be surprised if the CORN producers quietly supported the U.S. sugar tariffs, so that real sugar doesn't threaten the HFCS dominance in baked goods and bottled beverages.
18 posted on 01/03/2014 6:00:07 AM PST by Dr. Sivana (Five years, my brain hurts a lot.)
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To: thackney
As I have said before, there is a place for ethanol. But the “Boondoggle” over the blending credit has created a bubble.

All renewable energy is that way. There is a place for biodiesal also, but mandating it drives the market upside down.

19 posted on 01/03/2014 6:00:56 AM PST by redgolum ("God is dead" -- Nietzsche. "Nietzsche is dead" -- God.)
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To: Eric in the Ozarks

An election.

Expect a farm crisis later this year. Corn prices have dropped, and land is heading that way.


20 posted on 01/03/2014 6:01:45 AM PST by redgolum ("God is dead" -- Nietzsche. "Nietzsche is dead" -- God.)
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To: thackney
"California Democrat Dianne Feinstein—a renewable fuel champion--coordinate efforts with Oklahoma Republican Tom Coburn to come up with a Senate bill to get rid of ethanol from the Renewable Fuel Standard "

Huh, stopped clock and all that...

21 posted on 01/03/2014 6:03:32 AM PST by Abathar (Proudly posting without reading the article carefully since 2004)
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To: Dr. Sivana

ADM and Cargil are the reason for the sugar tariffs.


22 posted on 01/03/2014 6:04:23 AM PST by redgolum ("God is dead" -- Nietzsche. "Nietzsche is dead" -- God.)
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To: thackney

http://www.tomhoefling.com/8/post/2013/12/iowa-republican-gubernatorial-candidate-tom-hoefling-i-oppose-the-ethanol-mandate.html


23 posted on 01/03/2014 6:06:52 AM PST by EternalVigilance
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To: redgolum
But the “Boondoggle” over the blending credit has created a bubble.

Fortunately that mess finally ended two years ago.

Volumetric Ethanol Excise Tax Credit (VEETC)
http://www.afdc.energy.gov/laws/law/US/399
Expired: 12/31/2011

mandating it drives the market upside down.

Yep. That is the next beast to slay.

24 posted on 01/03/2014 6:07:36 AM PST by thackney (life is fragile, handle with prayer)
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To: redgolum
ADM and Cargil are the reason for the sugar tariffs.

That's what I suspected. Everyone blames the U.S. sugar industry (who is happy to go along for the ride), but the corn processors have far more to gain.
25 posted on 01/03/2014 6:07:42 AM PST by Dr. Sivana (Five years, my brain hurts a lot.)
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To: rbg81

They were trying to push E10 to E15. I have not seen any discussion for mandating E85. Most vehicles would not even start, let alone run on it.


26 posted on 01/03/2014 6:09:31 AM PST by thackney (life is fragile, handle with prayer)
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To: thackney

Anything that will lower the competition for natural resources needed to make drinkable alcohol is a good thing! /s


27 posted on 01/03/2014 6:11:22 AM PST by Real Cynic No More (Border Fence Obamacare!)
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To: rbg81

What are you talking about, that mental giant, Austin Dillon, is doing commercials designed to look like PSA’s telling us that worries about ethanol damaging our cars is a hoax to sell additives to counter the effects of ethanol. /extreme sarc

I suppose that just makes him another male whore. He should have spent just a little more time in science class.

I will be the first to support capitalism and market freedoms, but when the federal government subsidizes this sponsorship and the industry uses people like this to propagandize the public, it is a bridge too far.

Little boy Brian it taking NASCAR down the tubes of irrelevancy. I remember hearing of Big Bill’s concerns about sending his kids to IV league schools. He should have listened to that little voice of warning.

http://www.growthenergy.org/news-media/press-releases/american-ethanol-enhances-sponsorship-of-richard-childress-racing-with-driver-austin-dillon-in-2013/

http://www.growthenergy.org/news-media/press-releases/american-ethanol-launches-public-awareness-campaign-promoting-the-benefits-of-us-made-ethanol/


28 posted on 01/03/2014 6:11:22 AM PST by mazda77
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To: Marie Antoinette

I have a ‘91 Ford truck. I learned the hard way that it did not like ethanol. (Why didn’t they tell us?)


29 posted on 01/03/2014 6:13:38 AM PST by ncpatriot
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To: thackney
Some states had a “bridge” law that applied the tax credit at the state level. The producers were promised that E-15 would be mandated this year, so they didn't lobby for the renewal of the credit.

There are a lot of farmers looking at going under, who will not vote for the same candidate.

30 posted on 01/03/2014 6:13:39 AM PST by redgolum ("God is dead" -- Nietzsche. "Nietzsche is dead" -- God.)
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To: thackney

And I thought we were going to “Starve To Death” all the worlds poor people which would help the Environment!!


31 posted on 01/03/2014 6:14:07 AM PST by jacob allen
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To: redgolum

“Expect a farm crisis later this year. Corn prices have dropped, and land is heading that way.”

Too damn bad. They were making a killing during the ethanol boom.


32 posted on 01/03/2014 6:20:08 AM PST by The Antiyuppie ("When small men cast long shadows, then it is very late in the day.")
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To: rbg81
I’m not sure most people realize how damaging Ethanol is to most vehicles, especially the engine. Mandating the e85 blend is just insanity.

It's only "insanity" in the same sense that Cash for Clunkers was "insanity".

With well-cared-for cars now easily capable of being run out to a quarter million miles or more, what better way to either force people to support the auto industry, or if they can't afford a new car force them into public transit, than to destroy the car they currently own well in advance of its expected lifetime?

I just wish that they'd make a decision about getting rid of ethanol soon. I need to buy an outboard motor in the next couple months. I'm wavering between a Suzuki gasoline and one of the Lehr propane fueled models. The big reason I'm leaning towards the Lehr, even though its considerable more expensive, is because the ethanol in gasoline is known to really gum up the carburetors on the gas-powered outboards ...
33 posted on 01/03/2014 6:20:51 AM PST by tanknetter (L)
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To: redgolum
Land prices are up and to the right.
Yeah, I read that corn prices are in the dump, so why is prime farm land headed for $10,000/acre ?
34 posted on 01/03/2014 6:25:17 AM PST by Eric in the Ozarks ("Say Not the Struggle Naught Availeth.")
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To: jacob allen

We have a large ethanol production plant near where I live. We also have a VERY large area of potato growers. If we see the ethanol product discontinued, converting to using potato’s to produce vodka will be rather easy. The plant already uses corn as the raw material to produce the alcohol “base” for ethanol. Until the petroleum product is introduced into the ethanol stream, the product is nothing more than good ole “moon shine”. Now how good is that, we can produce alcohol out of either corn or potato’s. Life is good!


35 posted on 01/03/2014 6:25:39 AM PST by DaveA37
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To: thackney

Even my 1 1/2 year old Tacoma say NO E85 on the fuel tank fill cover.

There have been companies that profited very well from the ethanol mandate. Stabil and Startron fuel stabilizer sales must be huge in comparison to a few years back.

Also, Walbro and other manufactures of small engine carburetors sales must be up tenfold in the last few years.
I know I personally bought two. It was cheaper to buy a whole new carburetor than rebuild it.


36 posted on 01/03/2014 6:28:26 AM PST by woodbutcher1963
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To: mazda77

I’ve heard these too, and it was really disheartening to hear outrageous paid lies from who you would think would be a “car guy”. Anyone with dirt under their nails has seen what ethanol does. I have. Things rust and corrode.

I want to see what happens if we take one of those $500,000 fake NASCAR cars, fill it with E15, _let it sit for a month_, and then take it out for a spin on the track.


37 posted on 01/03/2014 6:29:01 AM PST by The Antiyuppie ("When small men cast long shadows, then it is very late in the day.")
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To: Progov

Fuel ethanol production from sweet potato - CNRS
http://www.cnrs.fr/inee/relationsinternationales/docs/ZHAO_SFseminarweb.pdf

Sweet Potato Out-Yields Corn in Ethanol Production Study
http://www.ars.usda.gov/is/pr/2008/080820.htm


38 posted on 01/03/2014 6:29:14 AM PST by thackney (life is fragile, handle with prayer)
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To: woodbutcher1963

“Also, Walbro and other manufactures of small engine carburetors sales must be up tenfold in the last few years.
I know I personally bought two. It was cheaper to buy a whole new carburetor than rebuild it.”

Same here.


39 posted on 01/03/2014 6:30:01 AM PST by The Antiyuppie ("When small men cast long shadows, then it is very late in the day.")
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To: The Antiyuppie

“Expect a farm crisis later this year. Corn prices have dropped, and land is heading that way.”

Interesting, the lady whom cuts my hair and my Buddy’s wife traditionally make Tamales over the Holidays. Both mentioned to me last month that Masa and Corn husks had sky rocketed in price compared to 2012. I figured due to ethanol?


40 posted on 01/03/2014 6:31:04 AM PST by DAC21
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To: Dr. Sivana
I wouldn't be surprised if the CORN producers quietly supported the U.S. sugar tariffs, so that real sugar doesn't threaten the HFCS dominance in baked goods and bottled beverages.

I completely believe that.

41 posted on 01/03/2014 6:36:56 AM PST by Irenic (The pencil sharpener and Elmer's glue is put away-- we've lost the red wheel barrow)
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To: The Antiyuppie

Yep. I suppose it is OK for engines that have a max build life somewhere around 750 miles at best. Actually, the engine shop can tell the team almost to within 10 miles how long it will last before it hand-grenades.

I suppose Austin also had forgotten about all of the engines that erupted for a while at the beginning of last year when NASCAR mandated the E85 blend for the spec fuel. But then again, he is a driver and could care less what it takes to get him from a green flag to the checker. Just as long as his motor coach is parked in the right place.

They also started to talk about how the fuel load distance was reduced by as much as 5 laps at Daytona and more in other cases just because of the change, but that didn’t bother NASCAR because it made it mandatory for more pit stops along the way to make the races more interesting. But that was quickly squelched.


42 posted on 01/03/2014 6:39:00 AM PST by mazda77
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To: Irenic
Drive straight west out of Minneapolis about 60 or 70 miles and you will see some of the wealthiest farmers in the world.
They grow sugar beets.
43 posted on 01/03/2014 6:40:25 AM PST by Eric in the Ozarks ("Say Not the Struggle Naught Availeth.")
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To: thackney

I hope that everyone that was involved in the ethanol scam loses everything.


44 posted on 01/03/2014 6:40:32 AM PST by LibLieSlayer (FROM MY COLD, DEAD HANDS! BETTER DEAD THAN RED!)
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To: thackney

Everybody was happy when corn was less than $2 a bushel, except for the farmers going broke.


45 posted on 01/03/2014 6:42:30 AM PST by Cloverfarm (This too shall pass ...)
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To: thackney

The use of ethanol for fuel instead of food is insane. To discontinue its mandated production may result in significantly lower food prices, which benefits our nation far more than producing ethanol to reduce are already low fuel imports.

What would also drive fuel costs lower is to offer incentives for oil refineries to build more plants. So many have shut down that the price of fuel is artificially high, and always borderline to shortage.


46 posted on 01/03/2014 6:49:40 AM PST by yefragetuwrabrumuy (There Is Still A Very Hot War On Terror, Just Not On The MSM. Rantburg.com)
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To: thackney

Remove ethanol from our gas and:

1. better running engines with improved mileage
2. gas prices will improve
3. food prices will improve

so, what’s the problem?? Get ethanol off our back!!


47 posted on 01/03/2014 7:19:18 AM PST by elpadre (AfganistaMr Obama said the goal was to "disrupt, dismantle and defeat al-hereQaeda" and its allies.)
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To: thackney

quick.....more bribes!!!!


48 posted on 01/03/2014 7:28:22 AM PST by Buckeye McFrog
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To: Jonty30

There is nothing wrong with producing ethanol but corn is one of the least efficient bases to use. An acre of Sorghum will produce something like 1500 gallons of ethanol and an acre of corn I think less than half that.


49 posted on 01/03/2014 7:48:37 AM PST by Georgia Girl 2 (The only purpose of a pistol is to fight your way back to the rifle you should never have dropped.)
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To: thackney

I am not happy with the effects of ethanol on our car.


50 posted on 01/03/2014 7:50:24 AM PST by petitfour
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