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Philadelphia police to wear Saints gear to keep order at Eagles game
ABC News (Philly) ^ | 01/03/2014 | David Henry

Posted on 01/03/2014 7:11:04 AM PST by Kid Shelleen

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During the last home game against Chicago, 15 fans were arrested and 68 were ejected.

The police have a lot of eyes and ears in the stadium and some will be in disguise.

They'll be wearing New Orleans Saints jerseys and hats. So, be careful who you pick on.

(Excerpt) Read more at abclocal.go.com ...


TOPICS: News/Current Events; US: Pennsylvania
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I wonder what the ACLU will do? Anyone remember when undercover cops posed as grannies to catch muggers?
1 posted on 01/03/2014 7:11:04 AM PST by Kid Shelleen
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To: Kid Shelleen

They’ll be the ones in the Ricky Williams jerseys...


2 posted on 01/03/2014 7:13:40 AM PST by OrangeHoof (2001-2008: "Dissent Is Patriotism!" 2009-2016: "Dissent Is Racism!")
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To: Kid Shelleen

I was at a Philadelphia Flyers game - in Buffalo, and some Flyers fans were dropping F-bombs on a 70 year-old woman who was wearing a Sabres Jersey of a player they seemed not to like.


3 posted on 01/03/2014 7:17:52 AM PST by PGR88
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To: Kid Shelleen

“Who dat?”


4 posted on 01/03/2014 7:23:51 AM PST by Romulus
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To: PGR88

“Unruly, rude, threatening behavior, it’s simply not going to be tolerated and you’re going to be ejected from the stadium or arrested,” Philadelphia Police Chief Inspector Joe Sullivan told Action News Thursday.”

So much for the city of brotherly love.


5 posted on 01/03/2014 7:24:01 AM PST by edcoil (System now set up not to allow some to win but for no one to lose!)
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To: Kid Shelleen
Anyone remember when undercover cops posed as grannies to catch muggers?

Actually, I don't (gettin' old), but around here the cops only decoy as pedestrians or kids askin' for liquor.

Revenue, don't ya know?

6 posted on 01/03/2014 7:24:47 AM PST by Navy Patriot (Join the Democrats, it's not Fascism when WE do it, and the Constitution and law mean what WE say.)
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To: edcoil
“So much for the city of brotherly love”

I think that's it's now referred to as KILLADELPHIA the city of brotherly SHOVE.

7 posted on 01/03/2014 7:47:00 AM PST by V_TWIN
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To: edcoil

Don’t know about the new stadium but the old one in Philly had a police substation and courtroom to arrest and try all the “ fans” ....


8 posted on 01/03/2014 7:49:58 AM PST by Kozak ("Send them back your fierce defiance! Stamp upon the cursed alliance! To arms, to arms in Dixie!)
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To: Kid Shelleen

Philadelphia, worst fans in sports. Have been for at least 50 years I know of...


9 posted on 01/03/2014 7:51:37 AM PST by aMorePerfectUnion (Truth is hate to those who hate the Truth)
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To: PGR88

There are classless people in practically every large group...all one has to do is search and there are plenty of stories out there from all across the sports world...search the Dodgers for some doozies.

I would dare say though, that hands down, the Europeans have the trophy for worst behavior...and before anyone goes off on a tangent about the Santa Claus story...and No, I wasn’t there!

Philly fans get a bum rap in frequent mentions about that 1968 day when they hurled snowballs at Santa Claus. Not that they didn’t do it.

“No event has been used to tar-and-feather Philadelphia fans as much. And no event has been as exaggerated, misconstrued and inaccurately recalled,” they write.

Macnow, a talk show host along with Gargano on WIP radio in Philadelphia, says it’s all about the circumstances.

“Everybody just thinks that people pelted Santa with snow balls for no reason other than we’re mean people,” he says.

A crowd of 54,535 showed in a snowstorm that Dec. 15 day at Franklin Field to watch the last-place Eagles finished off a 2-12 season with a loss to Minnesota.

The book says that team owner Jerry Wolman had “dismantled a strong, proud franchise” and hired Joe Kuharich as coach and general manager. Kuharich, who inspired the “Joe Must Go” slogan, traded Hall of Fame quarterback Sonny Jurgensen to Washington for Norm Snead.

At halftime, there was supposed to be a Christmas pageant. Then there was too much snow and muck for a float to parade around the field. Instead, according to the book, a 19-year-old fan wearing a Santa suit and fake beard in the stands was recruited to jog onto the field between two columns of cheerleaders.

The authors don’t deny boos were heard and that snowballs were tossed. Are they saying Santa had it coming?

“Santa had it coming for a different reason actually,” says Macnow. “Santa was a surrogate that day for Joe Kuharich and Jerry Wolman and Norm Snead. The poor kid just happened to be representing the frustrations


10 posted on 01/03/2014 7:52:55 AM PST by SZonian (Throwing our allegiances to political parties in the long run gave away our liberty.)
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To: edcoil

If they arrest the police who is going to watch the fans?

:)


11 posted on 01/03/2014 7:53:17 AM PST by driftdiver (I could eat it raw, but why do that when I have a fire.)
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To: Kid Shelleen

If you wear opposing team gear at a St. Louis game you will have people sit down and ask where you are from and welcome you to the city. You may get some light hearted teasing, but I don’t know that I’ve ever heard of a fight here over any sports team rivalry. Well, maybe in the old days with the Blues and Blackhawks but that’s hockey :)


12 posted on 01/03/2014 7:54:10 AM PST by Clintons Are White Trash (If stupid ever reaches $150 a barrel then I want the drilling rights to Maxine Water's head.)
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To: Clintons Are White Trash

I can attest to that. I was in town for bidness and caught a Mets game. Had the people sitting next to us offer to buy us beer, even after I told them I was from NY. Great fans in a great sports town, IMO.


13 posted on 01/03/2014 7:57:47 AM PST by newnhdad (Our new motto: USA, it was fun while it lasted.)
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To: aMorePerfectUnion
Nonsense. Bad fan behavior happens everywhere. A couple of notable incidents in Philly get repeated ad nauseum, and the template sticks. Lazy reporters repeat it, and the lazy public buys into it.
There have been fans killed recently in other cities, but that doesn't get the same mileage as some bum dressed as Santa Claus 40+ years ago. Philly fans didn't boo Santa Claus because Santa Claus doesn't actually exist.

Also, the worst fans sold out their playoff game in 3 minutes whereas the holy Packer fans still had seats available up until yesterday I believe.
14 posted on 01/03/2014 8:03:53 AM PST by needmorePaine
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To: needmorePaine

“Nonsense. Bad fan behavior happens everywhere. A couple of notable incidents in Philly get repeated ad nauseum, and the template sticks. Lazy reporters repeat it, and the lazy public buys into it.”

HA!!!!! Good one.

No doubt there are some good fans. I know some. It is the lousy ones that are in force that are disgusting.

I’ve been there. Experienced it firsthand. It goes back at least 50 years.

Just three years ago, there was this...

http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/news/story?id=5098407

“According to an account in the Philadelphia Daily News, Clemmens and his friend were asked by the 15-year-old daughter of Michael Vangelo, an off-duty Easton police captain, to stop cursing and spitting. A short while later, Vangelo said, it started again.

“One guy started spitting ... first it landed on the back of my daughter’s chair. Then it landed on her hooded sweatshirt,” Vangelo said, according to the Philadelphia Daily News.

After Vangelo reported the incident to stadium officials, Clemmens’ friend was led out of the stadium. At that point, Vangelo said Clemmens said he would be sick and “put two fingers down his throat.”

He then “leaned forward and started vomiting on us,” Vangelo said, according to the Daily News.

“It was the most vile, disgusting thing I’ve ever seen. He has two fingers down his throat, he lunges forward and vomits on myself and my 11-year-old.”

Vangelo said he tried to push his children safely behind him, and Clemmens punched him in the face. Four or five fans in the next section rushed to help, Vangelo said. They held him until police arrived — someone punching Clemmens in the face as he tried to break free — and an officer was also hit with vomit, Vanore said.


15 posted on 01/03/2014 8:20:21 AM PST by aMorePerfectUnion (Truth is hate to those who hate the Truth)
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To: PGR88

It’s just a sport, I see that behavior, someone is going to end up having a very bad day, especially picking on elderly and children, not to mention women, that goes without saying.


16 posted on 01/03/2014 8:21:13 AM PST by Bulwyf
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To: aMorePerfectUnion

I remember the story. That was one man out of over 40,000. What’s the percentage? And he was from Jersey anyway. Haha. I believe there actual gang members in the stands at Dodgers games. Should we impugn everyone? And what about Oakland? It looks like Mad Max there.


17 posted on 01/03/2014 8:32:26 AM PST by needmorePaine
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To: needmorePaine

“I remember the story. That was one man out of over 40,000. What’s the percentage? And he was from Jersey anyway.”

You are offering the following argument:

Only 1 Philadelphia fan out of 40,000 throws up on little girls, so 39,000 Philadelphia fans are great.

As it turns out, puking isn’t the only Philadelphia bad behavior. It was just significantly bad enough to make the news. Still, it really happened.

NJ: I think from Central NJ down to S. NJ are Philadelphia fans. They do go to games sometimes and have a higher percentage likelihood of being nice. In this case, not so.


18 posted on 01/03/2014 8:38:41 AM PST by aMorePerfectUnion (Truth is hate to those who hate the Truth)
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To: aMorePerfectUnion
Hi ampu, hope you had a wonderful holiday and wishing you a Happy New Year.

"Four or five fans in the next section rushed to help."

Sounds like it was 4-5 vs. 1. Good to see that this jerk was outnumbered by better mannered fans.

19 posted on 01/03/2014 8:40:17 AM PST by SZonian (Throwing our allegiances to political parties in the long run gave away our liberty.)
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To: SZonian

SZ, I agree!

Most are content to hurl obscenities and small objects...

Happy New Year to you. May this be a blessed year for you and your family. I still pray for you and yours.


20 posted on 01/03/2014 8:44:41 AM PST by aMorePerfectUnion (Truth is hate to those who hate the Truth)
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To: aMorePerfectUnion
"Happy New Year to you. May this be a blessed year for you and your family. I still pray for you and yours."

Thank you and the same to you.

21 posted on 01/03/2014 8:48:00 AM PST by SZonian (Throwing our allegiances to political parties in the long run gave away our liberty.)
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To: aMorePerfectUnion

Actually I offered nothing close to that argument. You brought up a story of 1 fat guy puking on others to illustrate what? Bad fan behavior happens everywhere, as I acknowledged. I didn’t deny this story because I remember it. The point is that a narrative has been established that Philly fans are exceptionally unruly when you’ll find the same issues in most major cities, especially in the Northeast and rust belt areas, and you’ll probably find it at many college games throughout the country. As Limbaugh says when talking about the media’s image of conservatives: there’s a template.


22 posted on 01/03/2014 8:50:01 AM PST by needmorePaine
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To: aMorePerfectUnion

Ah, but we had John Facadena too. The best sports announcer in the history of football.


23 posted on 01/03/2014 8:53:24 AM PST by mware
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To: Clintons Are White Trash
If you wear opposing team gear at a St. Louis game you will have people sit down and ask where you are from and welcome you to the city.

I went to the Rams-Cowboys game in 2004 (when Warner got injured) in the Jones Dome. The Cowboy fans surrounded me in the nosebleed seats (VV, in the corner) and they had no problem taunting the Rams fans outside the stadium (one standing on a fire hydrant) after they won on a last second field goal.

I wish the Rams fans should a little more life.
24 posted on 01/03/2014 8:54:09 AM PST by Dr. Sivana (Five years, my brain hurts a lot.)
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To: needmorePaine
A couple of notable incidents in Philly get repeated ad nauseum, and the template sticks.

Philly pops up regularly.

One, it is part of the Flyers historic persona.

Two, it affects baseball as well as football. I remember a game where a drunken fan had run out onto he field and attacked the Phillies' pitcher. The story was that this pitcher was known for throwing gopher balls, and that the fan announced that he was gonna give up a home run, and he (the fan) was gonna beat him up.

However, I remember nothing topping the Jets fans in Shea stadium dropping the security guard off of the upper deck head first to the concrete below.
25 posted on 01/03/2014 8:58:28 AM PST by Dr. Sivana (Five years, my brain hurts a lot.)
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To: Dr. Sivana

Philly pops up regularly.

Yes, that’s kind of the point. Other cities’ stories pop up too but aren’t repeated and repeated and repeated. A father-son team ran onto the field and attacked a first base coach in Chicago.


26 posted on 01/03/2014 9:07:27 AM PST by needmorePaine
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To: Navy Patriot
Anyone remember when undercover cops posed as grannies to catch muggers?

Actually, I don't (gettin' old), but around here the cops only decoy as pedestrians or kids askin' for liquor.


The Frank Rizzo Philly PD used to have undercover cops pose as grannys ("Granny Squads", a decoy team) to catch muggers and other low lifes. The ACLU opposed the practice and it was eventually phased out.
27 posted on 01/03/2014 9:15:25 AM PST by Kid Shelleen (Beat your plowshares into swords. Let the weak say I am strong)
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To: needmorePaine

Well, we will continue to disagree. I think they are awful. You think they are normal, if I understand you.

I don’t want to spend my snow day Googling stories of lousy PHL fans... :-)


28 posted on 01/03/2014 9:15:51 AM PST by aMorePerfectUnion (Truth is hate to those who hate the Truth)
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To: SZonian

“”Four or five fans in the next section rushed to help.””

SZ, just a note that it took fans “in the next section” to help.” I assume the family had other fans around them. Must have been fans from outside the city...


29 posted on 01/03/2014 9:17:26 AM PST by aMorePerfectUnion (Truth is hate to those who hate the Truth)
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To: aMorePerfectUnion

It isn’t hard to understand. You must be a Giants fan. Lol. I didn’t really offer much of an opinion about my fellow Philly fans, but yes, they are generally normal for the region: very passionate and vocal and yes even obnoxious, but it is sports, not cribbage. My point was about a manufactured image and how it is often parroted.


30 posted on 01/03/2014 9:38:56 AM PST by needmorePaine
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To: aMorePerfectUnion
Philadelphia, worst fans in sports. Have been for at least 50 years I know of...

One thing's for sure though; can't blame the behavior on poverty! It costs an arm, a leg and your firstborn to attend an NFL game these days!

31 posted on 01/03/2014 10:05:12 AM PST by JimRed (Excise the cancer before it kills us; feed & water the Tree of Liberty! TERM LIMITS NOW & FOREVER!)
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To: Kid Shelleen
The ACLU opposed the practice and it was eventually phased out.

Anything the ACLU (All Criminal Lovers Union) opposes should be redoubled!

32 posted on 01/03/2014 10:09:00 AM PST by JimRed (Excise the cancer before it kills us; feed & water the Tree of Liberty! TERM LIMITS NOW & FOREVER!)
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To: aMorePerfectUnion
Philadelphia, worst most passionate fans in sports. Have been for at least 50 years I know of...

Fixed that for ya...!

You may continue to believe the media meme of "Philly fans all bad" if you like but it is no different than any other Northeast (or Oakland) venue.

33 posted on 01/03/2014 10:34:08 AM PST by Prov1322 (Enjoy my wife's incredible artwork at www.watercolorARTwork.com! (This space no longer for rent))
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To: mware
Ah, but we had John Facadena too. The best sports announcer in the history of football.

Facenda was a joy to listen to.

When it came to the Flyers, there was none better than Gene Hart. Another great memory of an announcer who could bring a radio broadcast to life. (Yes I know it's a football theme thread but the Flyers were noted earlier, so I'm on a roll now...stop me when I get to By Saam, Bill Campbell and Whitey Ashburn...)

34 posted on 01/03/2014 10:40:28 AM PST by Prov1322 (Enjoy my wife's incredible artwork at www.watercolorARTwork.com! (This space no longer for rent))
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To: Prov1322

“You may continue to believe the media meme of “Philly fans all bad””

Ive experience it firsthand, not via media.


35 posted on 01/03/2014 10:47:50 AM PST by aMorePerfectUnion (Truth is hate to those who hate the Truth)
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To: Kid Shelleen

I loved the opening scenes from the Baretta TV program.

Little old lay walking down crowded city street.

Punk kid dashes by her, grabbing her handbag which has a long shoulder strap. Kid gets to end of strap and the “little old lady”, Baretta in disguise, yanks the strap pulling the kid off his feet.

Baretta slams him face down on the sidewalk and cuffs him.

I love it!


36 posted on 01/03/2014 11:58:07 AM PST by BwanaNdege (Those who make peaceful revolution impossible will make violent revolution inevitable. J.F. Kennedy)
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To: Prov1322

I teach 7th graders at a rural school in Atlantic County. Back when I was a student at that same school, Gene Hart was a middle school teacher. He taught there for several years.


37 posted on 01/03/2014 12:20:44 PM PST by mware
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To: mware
I teach 7th graders at a rural school in Atlantic County. Back when I was a student at that same school, Gene Hart was a middle school teacher. He taught there for several years.

Very cool. I remember that he was a teacher before broadcasting and also may have started broadcasting local school games in NJ?

It brings a smile to my face when I hear his voice on some of the NHL Network Classic reruns of the Flyers Cup victories.

On a completely separate note, we lived in Vineland from '73-'76 and Mrs Prov1322 grew up in Bridgeton.

38 posted on 01/03/2014 1:29:56 PM PST by Prov1322 (Enjoy my wife's incredible artwork at www.watercolorARTwork.com! (This space no longer for rent))
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To: Prov1322

My stomping ground is Hammonton.


39 posted on 01/03/2014 3:09:52 PM PST by mware
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To: Prov1322
LOL, remember when the Flyers played the Russian national team, and they skated off the ice when some of the bull street bullies started to play rough?

There was a sign in Russian, and since Gene could read Russian they asked him to translate.

Gene heamed and hawed, the translation was that the Russians are fags.

40 posted on 01/03/2014 3:13:37 PM PST by mware
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To: mware

Make that Broad St Bullies.


41 posted on 01/03/2014 3:14:13 PM PST by mware
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To: Kid Shelleen

Philly fans are the worst. I went to a Giants game at Philly a few years ago and anyone wearing blue was in danger from the moment they exited their car.


42 posted on 01/03/2014 3:17:19 PM PST by Fzob (Jesus + anything = nothing, Jesus + nothing = everything)
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To: mware
There was a sign in Russian, and since Gene could read Russian they asked him to translate.

It was amazing to learn that Gene was fluent in Russian!

43 posted on 01/03/2014 3:20:02 PM PST by Prov1322 (Enjoy my wife's incredible artwork at www.watercolorARTwork.com! (This space no longer for rent))
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To: Prov1322

LOL, and attended the Opera.


44 posted on 01/03/2014 3:21:37 PM PST by mware
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To: Kid Shelleen

Thanks, refreshing the memory file.


45 posted on 01/03/2014 4:57:57 PM PST by Navy Patriot (Join the Democrats, it's not Fascism when WE do it, and the Constitution and law mean what WE say.)
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