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Time Grows Short
Me | January 3, 2014 | James F. Brown

Posted on 01/03/2014 8:46:33 AM PST by fatman6502002

"THESE are the times that try men's souls. The summer soldier and the sunshine patriot will, in this crisis, shrink from the service of their country; but he that stands by it now, deserves the love and thanks of man and woman." Thomas Paine, from the essay “The Crisis”, December 23, 1776

“America will never be destroyed from the outside. If we falter and lose our freedoms, it will be because we destroyed ourselves.” Abraham Lincoln

Oh how prescient these men were. And so again we’ve reached that point as history repeats itself. Once again a Republic finds itself rotted from within and corrupt to the core and on the precipice of dictatorship. Will we suffer the fate of the Greeks and Romans and Weimar Germans or will the people rise up and throw off the shackles of the impending dictatorship and restore this once great Republic to the principles and rule of law contained in the Declaration of Independence and the Constitution? Hopefully the American people are made of stiffer timber than those whom have passed before us. Time will tell, but one must admit that time is getting shorter, with each passing day the storm clouds of another far more devastating civil war gather in the distance. There is still time to stop the impending dictatorship through the ballot box; but as more organs of the press, academia, big business i.e. those too big to fail, and the establishment wing of the Republican party become cheerleaders, supporters and propagandists for the wannabe dictator, the window of opportunity fades as the winds of progressivism threaten to extinguish the flame of liberty, and the ability of the people to stop it at the ballot box draws perilously short.

Thankfully there are several elected officials that are calling for the dictator wannabe and his acolytes in the executive branch, and elsewhere, to be held to account through impeachment. They are called the Tea Party caucus and they deserve the support of all Americans, at least those of us whom still support the Constitution. The Tea Party Caucus and the Tea Party candidates whom will be running in the next two election cycles are the last best chance to preserve and restore our Constitutional Republic without armed conflict. Hopefully I am wrong, but history suggests I and others whom harbor the same opinion, supports this conclusion. IMHO

And since the NSA, used as it is by this administration as their personal Gestapo, will capture this email and save it for posterity and proof of guilt for whatever charge they think up when the time comes and the camps are open for business, let me just reiterate that I do not advocate for an armed conflict, rather my rantings are just a prediction based upon historical precedence. Of course this qualifier will not make any difference since the next step in the advancement of dictatorship, if we’re defeated at the ballot box, will be the same kind of kangaroo courts seen in banana republics and Nazi Germany, thus evidence will not matter and the verdict will be pre-ordained. For proof, just look to recent history and the machinations of the executive branch attempting to pervert the justice system to obtain a conviction of George Zimmerman for political purposes rather than justice. The executive branch of the federal government organized marches threatening riots if not convicted. That my friends are what we would expect in places like Venezuela or North Korea, not in America. That alone should have prompted impeachment charges against the President and the Attorney General if we lived in a country where the rule of law was still sacrosanct. But alas it is not. Although in the end justice was served the fact that the attempts were made to fix the trial, and that the opposition party did nothing to prevent this attempted perversion of law prove beyond doubt that the rule of law is in grave peril in our country.

I appeal to all of my fellow Americans, and especially to those who’ve actually taken the oath to “preserve and protect the Constitution”, to get involved in the process, not just by giving money to Tea Party candidates but to volunteer time to help them. One of the things we must do is to walk precincts with our candidates and attempt to persuade those whom are persuadable that the caricature of the Tea Party, created by the press, the democrats, and the GOPe are incorrect and based upon lies about what we stand for. We are entering the end game for elections and they will become a thing of the past unless we win in 2014 and 2016, most importantly to sweep out the GOPe because they are progressive wolfs in sheep’s clothing, everybody recognizes what the progressives are, they are open about their cult of personality and want of an imperial executive, but the GOPe go about the business of advancing progressivism with as much stealth as they can muster and now with the acquiescence of big business using the US Chamber of Commerce as cover. If we don’t go all out to win and end up losing there is only one result after that and it is almost too awful to contemplate.


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1 posted on 01/03/2014 8:46:33 AM PST by fatman6502002
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To: fatman6502002
There is still time to stop the impending dictatorship through the ballot box

I submit it is far, far later than you think.

Know what time it is.

The ballot box is no longer a viable option to preserve or maintain our natural rights. We are already become a MarxoFascist dictatorship.

2 posted on 01/03/2014 9:06:32 AM PST by INVAR ("Fart for liberty, fart for freedom and fart proudly!" - Benjamin Franklin)
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To: INVAR

we’ll have to agree to disagree on that point. My belief is if it was too late to change it elections would already have been banned and Obama would have already disbanded Congress and the USSC. Don’t lose hope my friend, get involved now in the political process for the Tea Party candidate in your area/state while it’s still possible.


3 posted on 01/03/2014 9:17:33 AM PST by fatman6502002
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To: fatman6502002; INVAR
Will we suffer ... or will the people rise up and throw off the shackles of the impending dictatorship and restore this once great Republic to the principles and rule of law contained in the Declaration of Independence and the Constitution?

I'm with INVAR...I submit it is far, far later than you think.

After all, a comfortable couch negates the burden of most shackles.

4 posted on 01/03/2014 9:25:25 AM PST by mcmuffin (Freedom's On The March - Wave Goodbye!)
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To: fatman6502002; KC_Lion; All
There is still time to stop the impending dictatorship through the ballot box; but as more organs of the press, academia, big business i.e. those too big to fail, and the establishment wing of the Republican party become cheerleaders, supporters and propagandists for the wannabe dictator, the window of opportunity fades as the winds of progressivism threaten to extinguish the flame of liberty, and the ability of the people to stop it at the ballot box draws perilously short.

We limited government conservatives and Christian conservatives had better understand now: in November of 2016, a Christie/Romney type nominee will be the official GOP presidential "choice" of wholly rigged and arranged primaries, and we're going to be looking once again at the "hold your nose and vote statist liberal Republican because the other guy is worse and third party only guarantees Democrat victory" syndrome.

Likely, Democrats will be voting for their candidate/nominee thinking the same, that he/she stinks but the Republican would be worse.

If we really want to take advantage of the ballot box, we must EMBRACE the power of a third party to force leftist statist politicians of either party into a weak plurality win.

Jettison the very stupid "conventional wisdom" that Perot "ruined" things and start realizing that indeed, Perot, by splitting the vote among an American populace who rightly rejected the Uniparty D/R candidates (HW Bush v Clinton; Dole v Clinton) by majorities in BOTH elections (Clinton never received the support of even half of the voters -- the first time, 57% voted "against" him, the second time, 51% voted "against" him) -- by splitting the vote to force a plurality win on the victor, the victor (Clinton) was so weakened politically (not with the MSM, which loved him, but in real world politics) that his first term, he was snowplowed with the Republican Revolution, and his second term, he was impeached.

Had it not been for third party politics, that probably wouldn't have happened; instead, Clinton or HWB or Dole, all three of them big government statists in mind and deed, would have been powerful "victors." The third party impact of Perot was GOOD FOR CONSERVATISM in the big picture by denying power to those statists.

So it is time NOW to embrace the fact that in 2016, our only hope for weakening the leftist president, D or R, who will likely win, is by voting Third Party in order to force that victor into a plurality so that he/she is WEAK and on defense.

5 posted on 01/03/2014 9:29:56 AM PST by Finny (Thy word is a lamp unto my feet, and a light unto my path. -- Psalm 119:105)
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To: mcmuffin

Both of you offer an opinion but neglect to offer any evidence in an historical context help prove your contention. But I understand your point. On the other hand both of you seem to support my conclusion, written on another blog, that the dems and GOPe are engaged in psyops against the American people with the goal being to beat them down mentally such that they believe that there is nothing they can do electorally to avoid the coming dictatorship such that the candidates that would oppose them will never get elected. I hope you guys have not fallen into that trap and simply given up on an electoral solution. If you have then their psyops are obviously working. Please tell me that’s not case.


6 posted on 01/03/2014 9:37:19 AM PST by fatman6502002
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To: INVAR

I concur with INVAR as well, the time for the ballot has long passed.


7 posted on 01/03/2014 9:40:45 AM PST by Bulwyf
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To: Bulwyf

We have ballots? I thought we have outcomes, then we go through the election motions.


8 posted on 01/03/2014 9:45:02 AM PST by Lazamataz (Early 2009 to 7/21/2013 - RIP my little girl Cathy. You were the best cat ever. You will be missed.)
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To: fatman6502002
My belief is if it was too late to change it elections would already have been banned and Obama would have already disbanded Congress and the USSC.

So if a one party MarxoFascist dictatorship does not look like you expect - it's not a dictatorship?

Congress has already been neutered. SCOTUS has been stacked and corrupted (see John Roberts) and the Machine is furiously working to make sure Pelosi is make speaker in November.

The Soviet Union had "elections" every 6 years. Care to guess how 'free' those 'elections' were? We are become worse than the Soviets - Cook County went national, I've already seen it at work and 2012 ought to have been your first real clue how far gone we are.

I have no hope whatsoever in the institutions that have been corrupted by the MarxoFascists and the Ruling Class.

Watch what happens in this year's 'elections'. You will end up shocked, bewildered, and in a state of disbelief - but maybe then you will understand how late the hour is. There is no remedy or stopping this juggernaut by any civil means. They do not uphold the rule of law now, what makes you think they will adhere to any electoral result they disagree with?

It is far, far later than you realize. Pray and prep, your faith in the system and this people is misplaced in an age of universal deceit.

9 posted on 01/03/2014 9:45:19 AM PST by INVAR ("Fart for liberty, fart for freedom and fart proudly!" - Benjamin Franklin)
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To: INVAR

I see the psyops have worked very well on you. Either way if the shooting war comes we will be on the same side.


10 posted on 01/03/2014 10:12:05 AM PST by fatman6502002
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To: INVAR

Revolt is coming.


11 posted on 01/03/2014 10:29:57 AM PST by Biggirl (“Go, do not be afraid, and serve”-Pope Francis)
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To: Biggirl

No it isn’t. If O-holeCare hasn’t gotten people to take to the streets, nothing will.


12 posted on 01/03/2014 10:33:52 AM PST by Common Sense 101 (Hey libs... If your theories fly in the face of reality, it's not reality that's wrong.)
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To: Finny
So it is time NOW to embrace the fact that in 2016, our only hope for weakening the leftist president, D or R, who will likely win, is by voting Third Party....

I like your reasoning but I don't see much chance of a third party candidate who'd do as well as Perot did. Sarah has alluded to the idea of running, but I suspect she was mainly trying to keep the GOPe honest (or less dishonest). It would need to be someone like her who already has the name recognition or someone like Perot who can self-fund. Do you have anyone in mind who might run up a decent vote total?

Regardless, if the nominee is indeed Christie, Jeb, or someone else of that ilk, I'll vote for a conservative on principle.
13 posted on 01/03/2014 10:35:20 AM PST by Eagle Forgotten
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To: fatman6502002
I see the psyops have worked very well on you.

Psyops? I judge the fruits and actions and consider the lessons of history and experience, not vain hopes or optimistic expectations.

None of you believed Obama would get a second term. None of you believe Pelosi will be made Speaker again.

You do not know what time it actually is. For all your warnings of 'time growing short' - you fail to recognize that your solution is already so out of date - it's dead.

Hearts will fail in bewilderment if they place any hope in elections from keeping us from where the MarxoFascists and Ruling Class are taking us. And that will kill any chances for successful resistance.

14 posted on 01/03/2014 10:56:58 AM PST by INVAR ("Fart for liberty, fart for freedom and fart proudly!" - Benjamin Franklin)
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To: INVAR; fatman6502002

You INVAR (and others) talk as if the alternative course to the ballot box will ever happen. At least fatman is making an attempt to do something. I commend him for that.


15 posted on 01/03/2014 11:08:20 AM PST by FreeReign
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To: Common Sense 101

We shall see is all I am going to say.


16 posted on 01/03/2014 11:16:31 AM PST by Biggirl (“Go, do not be afraid, and serve”-Pope Francis)
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To: fatman6502002

Good commentary.


17 posted on 01/03/2014 11:16:46 AM PST by Biggirl (“Go, do not be afraid, and serve”-Pope Francis)
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To: Finny; RKBA Democrat; GeronL; Norm Lenhart; who knows what evil?

Uniparty Ping.

Finny’s post is well worthy of you time.


18 posted on 01/03/2014 11:18:58 AM PST by KC_Lion (Build the America you want to live in at your address, and keep looking up.-Sarah Palin)
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To: INVAR

So far INVAR, you have proposed nothing, you’ve only talked trash. Come up with a course of action and let it be known. As I said you’ve already played right into the hands of those hoping to impose dictatorship and you offer nothing in response. You’ve already surrendered and that is the point of the psyops that have been played against you and the sad thing is you don’t even realize it. In fact you seem to be one of the people you have no faith in, I guess there’s some symmetry in that.


19 posted on 01/03/2014 11:44:44 AM PST by fatman6502002
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To: Biggirl; FreeReign

Thank you. I am glad to see that some understand the point of my commentary, others not so much. The American people are an amazing lot whom I believe will not allow the flame of Liberty to die, whether that be by ballot or by force of arms, to steal a line from FDR “with the unbounding determination of our people, we will gain the inevitable triumph — so help us God.”
So it is written, so it shall be, again as history repeats itself and it will happen even though some have already surrendered. To them I say stand aside and let us do our work without interference; one must make a choice to either lead, follow or get the heck out of the way.


20 posted on 01/03/2014 11:59:25 AM PST by fatman6502002
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To: KC_Lion

My USB mouse arrived today. It worked as soon as it was plugged in to Ye Olde laptop running Linux.


21 posted on 01/03/2014 12:01:27 PM PST by GeronL (Extra Large Cheesy Over-Stuffed Hobbit)
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To: FreeReign

If you think elections are going to save the Republic and your rights - you are potentially totally ignorant of what has been corrupted and perverted and if so, I think your faith is misplaced.

There came a time in our own history when it became clear that attempting to appeal to the Crown for redress via any civil means was an exercise in futility. In fact every attempt was met with repeated injury. We will see the same.

To our benefit there were those who saw the inevitability of war long before it became necessary, and they paved the way for a successful defense of liberty because they did not put their faith in a corrupted system to save them, and they prepared the minds and hearts of enough people to endure what was to come.

As if we needed any more evidence, there is no possibility whatsoever of reforming Washington via the institutions that have been corrupted. That is self-evident. A Ruling Class no longer beholden to the rule of law will not allow itself to be beholden to the will of the people it rules either. Instead it will show it’s contempt and disdain for them as it moves to diminish and ignore them. What that means is - elections are moot.

As Adams noted - if we want to keep our rights - we will have to fight for them. He was not talking about civil means. Such is the necessity when dealing with tyranny.

I can admire the tenacity to attempt reform via the ballot box. Just know that some of us are resigned to the inevitability history teaches us time and again.


22 posted on 01/03/2014 12:08:23 PM PST by INVAR ("Fart for liberty, fart for freedom and fart proudly!" - Benjamin Franklin)
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To: fatman6502002
Come up with a course of action and let it be known.

II Chronicles 7:14 followed by fasting, prayer and prep for the long, bloody struggle against tyranny just ahead.

Is that course plain enough for you?

I submit those overcome by psyops are those who actually think reforming the Federal Beast is still possible by playing politics as usual. Reform and restoration will have to come from OUTSIDE the system, and those in power are not going to give up their power without fomenting bloodshed.

I have no faith in the institutions of men, or in the institutions that have become corrupted by men dominated by the pursuit of power.

I find it alarming that so many of you do.

The Constitution is irrelevant to the Federal Beast if you had not noticed, and there is no effort to hold those in power to account for lawlessness. Yet you seek to play a game by their rules in their sandbox, when they have demonstrated that there are no rules but those they make up as they go along.

I submit your faith is misplaced. And that is the root cause for where we find ourselves to begin with.

23 posted on 01/03/2014 12:19:59 PM PST by INVAR ("Fart for liberty, fart for freedom and fart proudly!" - Benjamin Franklin)
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To: Biggirl

Don’t get me wrong I hope you’re right, but there number of parasites now equal the number of producers, and they’re too busy trying to keep their families afloat despite the increasing burdens of a tyrannical government.


24 posted on 01/03/2014 12:29:20 PM PST by Common Sense 101 (Hey libs... If your theories fly in the face of reality, it's not reality that's wrong.)
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To: INVAR

Pray and quote the Bible yep thats a real strategy for winning. You do nothing except try to make the case that we can’t win. As I’ve said it seems you’ve already surrendered. Prayer and Bible quotes are all well and fine but that action will not restore the republic. It will only make you a statistic in the end. Faith can move mountains but it can’t beat a faster draw — from El Dorado — just step aside and let those of us whom inhabit a place called reality protect you and the other surrender sheep. I will give my soul to the good Lord when I enter the spiritual world but considering God gave us free will while we inhabit the physical world, I will take real actions that might actually work. I find it interesting that you have no faith in those created in Gods image, seems you’ve lost all faith. I know you don’t understand what I just said, maybe if you talked to a priest and present my last sentence in context he could explain my meaning to you.


25 posted on 01/03/2014 1:03:45 PM PST by fatman6502002
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To: fatman6502002

So seeking God in repentance is not a ‘winning strategy’ you say. Funny, the Colonists won the War because they did what I suggested as a course of action and yet you insist that is a non-starter. Even Franklin disagrees with you and he was not as devoted to his faith as his peers. Without God, you can do nothing.

You say you are going to take ‘real actions that might actually work’. Apparently you think voting at the ballot box are the ‘actions’ that might actually work. Funny how Rove and McConnell are preaching the same thing you are, yet John Adams said our Constitution was meant only for a moral and religious people - because it cannot govern any other kind of people except those who are self-governed by the Greater Laws of the bible.

If you had not noticed, our society and culture are no longer such a people.
However, contrary to your assertions, I have not surrendered to tyranny. Putting faith in the ballot box instead of God in repentance first, is as stupid as petitioning King George III for the seventeenth time.

Your suggested tactics are my point of contention. You said ‘There is still time to stop the impending dictatorship through the ballot box’. I say again, it is far, far later than you understand the time to be.

Playing into the hands of psyops is by thinking that there is time to stop the imposition of this dictatorship via the ballot box. The dictatorship is already here and consolidating it’s power through the color of precedents disguised as law. It is too late for the ballot box to redress our grievances or to stop the MarxoFascist juggernaut via civil means. For such assumes those in power will respect the rule of law and the will of the people. Nothing is further from the truth as is already evidenced with this regime.

Play politics if you must assuage your conscience, but do not trust to hope in that course of action. We are not dealing with a reasonable government that respects the rule of law or our natural rights. Rather understand that they hold us in the utmost contempt - and will do everything to crush you mind, body and soul. That’s just the GOP-e, I haven’t even addressed what the rabid Marxofascists intend to do to us.

As Obama’s Pajama Boy Ethan Krupp stated “We have no morals and we will attack you!”. How can anyone think that elections will restrain or stop such people from imposing their dictatorship on us?

Apparently those who do not know what time it really is.


26 posted on 01/03/2014 1:33:37 PM PST by INVAR ("Fart for liberty, fart for freedom and fart proudly!" - Benjamin Franklin)
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To: INVAR

Idid not say without God. I said praying and quoting the Bible is not a strategy that will restore the Republic. I’m all for seeking repentance. But again praying is not going to restore our Republic. It will only be restored through the ballot box or force of arms. Period. Like I said you need to live in the reality of our physical world. The founding fathers and the minuteman did not win because they prayed,they won because they fought harder, had better ideas and better strategy. The democratic world did not win WWII because we prayed, we won because free men fight to live and those whom are ruled fight to die for their fuehrer or their emperor.
If the dictatorship were already here as you suggest, then we would not be having this conversation on the internet, you would not be able to hop in your car and travel to any state you wish, you would not be able to pray or quote the Bible for fear of being put up against wall, you would not be able to go to any church and worship God. You are just stubborn and an absolutist who really seems somewhat detached from reality. It is obvious you did not read my original post carefully enough, as your subsequent posts suggest you argue from a very emotional state of mind rather than a logical one. What exactly is your strategy besides praying? I guess we could look for the Ark of the Covenant and carry that in front of our crusading army and pray that God slays our enemies and turns them into pillars of salt. Is that your strategy? I will ask God for forgiveness for the sins I’ve committed in my life, I am not responsible for the sins of society. You act as if pj boy speaks for all mankind and that shows the weakness of your arguments, which by the way, with all due respect are nuts.


27 posted on 01/03/2014 2:16:01 PM PST by fatman6502002
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To: INVAR
If you think elections are going to save the Republic and your rights - you are potentially totally ignorant of what has been corrupted and perverted and if so, I think your faith is misplaced.

I didn't say that I have faith that elections will save the Republic. Your comment is ignorant.

Ping me when you aren't turning my comment into a strawman fallacy.

28 posted on 01/03/2014 2:24:02 PM PST by FreeReign
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To: fatman6502002
I said praying and quoting the Bible is not a strategy that will restore the Republic.

How sad. That was the strategy that created it in the first place.

It will only be restored through the ballot box or force of arms.

The ballot box is null and void. Go with the latter, but without God, that too will be a moot effort.

Like I said you need to live in the reality of our physical world.

One where the ballot box in the aftermath of a MarxoFascist velvet coup is a viable option? And you are going to lecture me about reality??

The founding fathers and the minuteman did not win because they prayed,they won because they fought harder, had better ideas and better strategy.

How woefully ignorant. No wonder you still think the ballot box is viable. As if the strength of men alone forged the Republic, or could save it.

The democratic world did not win WWII because we prayed, we won because free men fight to live and those whom are ruled fight to die for their fuehrer or their emperor.

If that is all it takes - and prayer is ineffectual if not obsolete in your worldview - then what you will have is anarchy and chaos followed by brutal dictatorship followed by collapse and ruin. Thus is the fate of all Republics before us and for the same reason you think we won WWII.

If the dictatorship were already here as you suggest, then we would not be having this conversation on the internet,

Ahh… so you want to wait until there are gulags, mass graves and North Korean-styled iron fisted rule before we can declare a dictatorship to be in effect. How many 'executive actions' and EO's has Obama decreed without so much as a peep in opposition? How many laws has he just decided to ignore and how many changes to law has he made by his own decree?

You sure you want to wait until it is self-evident to Leftists before we agree a tyranny/dictatorship has been established?

You are just stubborn and an absolutist who really seems somewhat detached from reality.

Right. And voting (your suggestion BTW) will make all the difference in the world. What were you saying about reality again?

It is obvious you did not read my original post carefully enough,

Right. That's why I quoted you verbatim and took issue with the tactics. Here, let's refresh: ‘There is still time to stop the impending dictatorship through the ballot box’

Did you not type that statement? What did I not understand in that statement? I simply replied it is much later than you think. The ballot box is no longer a viable option if you were paying any attention last year.

What exactly is your strategy besides praying?

I already stated it very clearly: Pray, Repent, Prep and ready for war for when they make that last mistake. We are down to the last box afforded us, but most are infected with a fatal case of normalcy bias. That would explain the continuing practice of insanity to suggest preventing where we have already arrived is to go vote for one of two Leftists offered by the Ruling Class as a solution and prevention of tyranny.

I am not responsible for the sins of society.

That is where your biblical and historical ignorance is showing. We are DIRECTLY RESPONSIBLE for losing the culture to the hedonists, for if we had not lost our culture - we would not have lost our liberties to Leftists.

You act as if pj boy speaks for all mankind

He speaks for the MarxoFascists. He tells us a truth about his agenda apparently you do not want to believe or consider.

and that shows the weakness of your arguments, which by the way, with all due respect are nuts.

Then kiss it all goodbye my FRiend. For if the arguments I made are nuts - then our foundations were nuts to begin with because I espouse the same arguments the Founders and Framers did.

God first, then duty to country to uphold the liberties God granted as a gift, but working within the system of tyrants to effect change is a fools errand.

29 posted on 01/03/2014 4:00:06 PM PST by INVAR ("Fart for liberty, fart for freedom and fart proudly!" - Benjamin Franklin)
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To: INVAR

And I suspect you believe that the earth is only 6000 years old and that humans lived alongside dinosaurs. I am not making spiritual arguments, I am making realistic ones based upon the fact that we live in the physical world. You can delude yourself and pretend that the revolution was won because the Founding Fathers prayed harder than the British all you want but that will not make it the truth. One of the hallmarks of the leftist mind is the fact that they believe so much that isn’t true. Think about it. Thank you very much for your feed back but we are at a loggerheads while you refuse to accept reality and continue to argue spiritualism while I want to argue reality. Unfortunately this has become a waste of time. If you think the time has come for force of Arms then let you, wrapped in God’s armor, begin it. I’ll wait on that option until I believe all other remedies have failed, after all the Constitutional remedies were given us by the Founders I am sure because of their belief in Divine Providence so I think it best to follow those before we start creating the killing fields right here in the USA.
The Founders religious views and belief in God was one of the inspirations, and yes the major inspiration for their actions but it was their actions and the actions of thousands of others that secured our independence.


30 posted on 01/03/2014 4:59:44 PM PST by fatman6502002
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To: fatman6502002

Right, because going to God is not ‘realistic’ in your universe, but continuing to vote in a corrupted institution perverted to keep the Ruling Class in perpetual power and create an illusion of choice is somehow ‘reality’ in your estimation of action and tactics.

Contrary to your public school history education, the War of Independence WAS won because those in the struggle for liberty prayed harder than the British and God blessed their tactics and efforts to win the victory. Perhaps you should read some of the diary writings of both Washington and General Howe that noted incredible miracles that both protected the Continental Army, Washington and confounded the Redcoats.

As to your subtle insults of the Christian faith - I do not hold the earth is only 6,000 years old or that modern man walked with dinosaurs. I think your snide comments reveal much.

And while you think you can have liberty and freedom sans spiritual arguments, you could not be more wrong.

For without the spiritual foundation - THERE IS NO LIBERTY as intended for us. But you would not understand that. Yours is limited to the flesh and whatever the flesh can muster and that is the reason liberty does not work anywhere else in the world like it once did here.

No wonder you think voting is going to prevent what is already taking place.


31 posted on 01/03/2014 6:34:28 PM PST by INVAR ("Fart for liberty, fart for freedom and fart proudly!" - Benjamin Franklin)
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To: fatman6502002

You speak with much wisdom my friend....as my Grandma used to say wish (pray) in one hand and poop in the other and see which one you get full first....


32 posted on 01/03/2014 6:36:39 PM PST by StraysDaddy (I've fought the wars, hired the whores and done the chores..and am completely fed up!)
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To: INVAR

Just curious, do you hang out with Fred Phelps and that group of Christians? Just curious.

Just to make clear, I do not mock your faith or any person’s faith, Christian or otherwise. I am mocking you and your responses, not your faith in case you had not noticed. This is just another instance of you interpreting things the way you choose rather than in the context they are offered.

You need some serious help, you might think about some kind of therapy. I would also suggest the reason a nut like yourself does not start the war you seem to be so eager to start is because you probably cannot legally own firearms due to your probable history of mental problems. Get back on your meds and the world will look like a better place, I promise. And please do not misinterpret what I’m saying, I do not believe your faith makes you a nut, it is the way you choose to practice your faith, much like a crazy Muslim jihadist, that makes you nutty, there is a big difference but I doubt you’re able to make the distinction.

The Bible tell us to be good to our enemies, maybe you should think about that. Again, I doubt you understand why I say this to you. After you see your therapist you might think about going to your church and showing your priest these messages so he can see them in context and he will explain to you why you have such a hard time understanding all this and where your misunderstanding of faith and the Bible comes from. Hint, the Bible is not all literal some of it is written metaphorically but again I doubt you have that depth of understanding or willingness to learn, since it seems you’ve read the words but don’t understand their meanings. Kind of like Otto in the movie A Fish Called Wanda. After being told he’s stupid like a Monkey, Otto says, “Monkeys don’t read Nietzsche” whereupon Jamie Lee Curtis replies “Yes they do Otto, they just don’t understand him”. Classic stuff.

One more piece of advice, come down off your high horse and learn to be humble as the Bible instructs us too. And remember God granted us free will when we were created, you might try using it sometime.

I will pray for you tonight. Good luck in your quest, I hope you find what you’re looking for and everything works out well for you.

God Bless you and Good-by.


33 posted on 01/03/2014 7:29:21 PM PST by fatman6502002
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To: fatman6502002
Just to make clear, I do not mock your faith or any person’s faith, Christian or otherwise.

Right. That's why you asked if I hang with Fred Phelps and his group and equate me with a nutty Muslim Jihadist and suggest I go see a therapist. You're not mocking my faith at all right????

I'll chalk you up to being a grand liar on top of being a wolf among Christian Conservatives.

As to the rest of your screed - you are no different than the rabid atheists, MarxoFascists and Secularists we find at DU. You did not address one single point or historical quote or reference made. Instead you spent the time to insult and ridicule someone who otherwise would have been on the same side in opposition to this dictatorial tyranny. People like you are the reason we have arrived at this point in our national decline. You're too focused on tearing apart those who disagree with your tactics despite being potential allies.

Your insults subtle and not are exactly the same as we would expect from a lunatic from the DU. So why should any Christian Conservative consider your OP as anything but an insincere ploy and psyop in itself given your replies?

Do not pray for me. I'd rather you pray for yourself.

34 posted on 01/03/2014 8:34:20 PM PST by INVAR ("Fart for liberty, fart for freedom and fart proudly!" - Benjamin Franklin)
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To: INVAR

Thank You again for consistently proving my points. You just keep digging a deeper hole.

Remember arrogance is one of the deadly sins, you really should think about that.

Considering you seem to advocate a war, you seem like the type of jihadist who doesn’t actually want to strap on the suicide vest yourself but would encourage others to do so. I think you’re a coward and you hide behind your faith, in a very unchristian like way, that’s what I think. Please take note, I use my real name on the articles I write. My name is James F. Brown I have no need to hide.


35 posted on 01/03/2014 8:54:13 PM PST by fatman6502002
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To: fatman6502002
Thank You again for consistently proving my points. You just keep digging a deeper hole.

You're projecting again.

Considering you seem to advocate a war, you seem like the type of jihadist who doesn’t actually want to strap on the suicide vest yourself but would encourage others to do so.

Something Dickerson would have said to Adams if this were 1776, given Adams was often excoriated by those who continued to insist pleading with the Crown in the face of tyranny was their only option.

You should go and re-read your OP. You warn of impending dictatorship and civil war - yet your solution is to vote in a system that is completely corrupted and owned by the Ruling Class and the MarxoFascists. As if elections can save what's left of the Republic when this people are divided and the culture decayed and rotten.

To paraphrase John Adams, a people not governed by God and religion cannot maintain liberty, nor can the Constitution preserve natural rights in an immoral and wicked society. If arrogance is stating the biblical truth, then I stand guilty even if people like you assert such is a "deadly sin".

Scoffing and ridicule of my faith by someone like you notwithstanding.

36 posted on 01/03/2014 9:39:56 PM PST by INVAR ("Fart for liberty, fart for freedom and fart proudly!" - Benjamin Franklin)
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To: INVAR

Keep digging Invar, your arrogance knows no bounds.

His name was not Dickerson, it was John Dickinson. Also John Adams did not advocate for war until after Americans were attacked at Lexington and Concord, at which time the British had obviously declared war on the Americans and which happened a year before the Declaration of Independence was signed. Adams was only trying to cajole the Continental Congress to acknowledge what already existed, that being, since Lexington and Concord, a state of war between the Americans and the British Crown. Once again you show a weak grasp of history and facts.

I would not have said anything like that which you claim, about Adams, he put his very life on the line twice, once by defending the British soldiers accused of murder in the Boston Massacre and again by signing the Declaration of Independence, in fact he pledged his life, his fortune and his sacred honor, so again your leaps of logic about what I would say or do, and the fact that you attempt to compare yourself with John Adams is not only pitiful but again speaks to your over inflated view of yourself.

Yes I contend that a tyranny is coming unless we the people stop it at the ballot box and if/when it gets here then it will be time to take up arms, which I am prepared to do if it becomes necessary and by any reasonable standard now is not the time for civil war.

I’ve actually taken the oath to “preserve and protect the Constitution against all enemies foreign and domestic, so help me God” when I entered the Navy in 1980. It was a lifetime oath with no expiration date, I am an oath keeper and will live up to it if/when the time comes.

Can you say the same, have you served and taken the oath?

My contention is not that a civil war should never happen just that now is not the time. In fact the title of my original post was “Time Grows Short”, to what do you think it referred?

My posts are not difficult to understand except for those who choose to stay willfully ignorant of their context. It seems you will not allow facts and reason to intrude upon what you choose to believe. For a self proclaimed Christian you seem somewhat dishonest considering the many ways you’ve taken things out of context and the straw-man arguments you continue to make, a fact which is backed up by the comments of others.

Most people are reasonable, you are not, you are an absolutist who deems all others, it would seem considering your posts, as evil and hedonistic. Let me remind you again that arrogance is one of the 7 deadly sins and you put your arrogance on display every time you post.

You quote John Adams and then claim it as a Biblical truth, talk about arrogance. Like I said you are an absolutist, in fact such an arrogant absolutist that you cannot even fathom that you might be wrong about anything, judging by your own words. Amazing. You don’t even have enough introspection to look at the man in the mirror, you are without wisdom, sorry to say.


37 posted on 01/03/2014 10:44:56 PM PST by fatman6502002
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To: fatman6502002

‘When tyranny gets here’?? You are already conquered. Notwithstanding you running off any potential allies before you see need, tyranny is already here and consolidating it’s power. You don’t recognize it because you are not in chains yet. By the time you see necessity, it will be too late for you and yours.

Continue to delude yourself that the ballot box can save the republic. The Ruling Class has bet the farm that most of you still think that.


38 posted on 01/04/2014 6:44:28 AM PST by INVAR ("Fart for liberty, fart for freedom and fart proudly!" - Benjamin Franklin)
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To: INVAR

I will ask you again since you advocate for civil war now, why are you not fighting? I’m sure you’re praying very hard every day and yet according to you tyranny keeps advancing, why are your prayers not being answered? And again I will ask if you’ve ever served and taken the oath to the Constitution?

Of course you will not answer these questions directly because you’re a willfully ignorant coward, and an emotional coward at that.

For your info I have prepared for the worst already and am prepared to live off the land when the time comes, I have stockpiles of what I need hidden in the area where I will go when the time comes and will meet there with my fellow patriots. Are you prepared? Very doubtful since you’re all talk. You have no idea what it means to walk the walk because all you’re capable of is talking the talk.

I don’t believe you’re a Christian anyway, most likely you’re a atheist progressive troll who just claims Christianity as a faith, it is obvious from your posts you don’t really practice any faith except progressivism. And just to be clear, even though you will ignore this statement, it is not the Christian faith that I mock. I mock you because of how closed minded, dishonest and willfully ignorant you are.


39 posted on 01/04/2014 7:31:13 AM PST by fatman6502002
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To: fatman6502002
I don’t believe you’re a Christian anyway, most likely you’re a atheist progressive troll who just claims Christianity as a faith

Right. You haven't a clue. Which makes your replies to me all the more amusing

You projecteth too much methinks.

40 posted on 01/04/2014 8:12:15 AM PST by INVAR ("Fart for liberty, fart for freedom and fart proudly!" - Benjamin Franklin)
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To: INVAR

See tagline. The ballot box no longer counts.


41 posted on 01/04/2014 8:16:40 AM PST by usconservative (When The Ballot Box No Longer Counts, The Ammunition Box Does. (What's In Your Ammo Box?))
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To: INVAR

Thank you, as you have again proven me correct by not answering the questions posed.

The problem is you don’t think at all. Yes, my replies are all the more amusing because they highlight your own words and that makes it simple and amusing to mock you, because, irony of all ironies, you are essentially mocking yourself, I am just the vehicle God is using to send that message to you. Think about that.

If you were capable of rational thought and reason, you would realize that it is not me, per se, that claims you are not a Christian; It is you, through your own words, posted for the world to see, that prove you’re the opposite of what you claim. Again, You have made the case and proven it, I have just stated the obvious for you so you can go about changing your behavior and save your soul.

Again thank you. You are your own worst enemy in these verbal skirmishes precisely because you don’t think, rather you feel your way through life which makes your ridiculous pronouncements so easy to refute and your inherent dishonesty so easily detected.

For instance, they way you mis-characterize John Adam’s advocacy of Revolution, you twisted the context in which a statement was made such that it fit what you wanted it to mean. That is called lying by omission, that being either omitting certain salient facts or omitting the context of a given statement. That is a hall mark of the way atheist Progressives argue; When trapped by ones own words, then just make something up or move the goal posts. Your own actions prove you to be what you are, you are just not honest enough to admit it because your goal is not to seek the truth, your one and only goal is to win the argument at any cost. And because you believe in the righteousness of your cause no tactic is too low, the ends justify the means, just like the average Muslim jihadist. Read Alinsky much?

Just because one claims themselves a Christian doesn’t make it so. Just because one prays does not make one a Christian. Just because one quotes from the Bible does not make one a Christian. And just because one calls oneself a Christian does not make one wise.

And don’t bother with your standard trope about projection, you obviously don’t understand the term and no reasonable person reading these posts would agree with you.

And you’ve still not answered the questions posed. Coward.


42 posted on 01/04/2014 8:47:16 AM PST by fatman6502002
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To: fatman6502002

No. The time for peaceful redress is past.

You don’t really think the 2014 elections will be allowed to shift the balance of power do you?


43 posted on 01/04/2014 9:03:52 AM PST by Dead Corpse (I will not comply.)
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To: Dead Corpse

Asked and answered previously. If you read my original post and the follow ups it is very clear where I stand on that issue, and yet you feel it necessary to ask a question with such an obvious answer. Stop wasting time with the obvious, if you have anything different to add please do, unless you simply want to mirror Invar.

I have a sneaking suspicion that is Invar posting as another identity, or a member of his echo chamber.


44 posted on 01/04/2014 10:21:49 AM PST by fatman6502002
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To: fatman6502002

You are still trying to petition the King for a redress of grievances. We’re forming Committees of Safety.

You are on the wrong side of that line...


45 posted on 01/04/2014 10:44:09 AM PST by Dead Corpse (I will not comply.)
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To: fatman6502002

Considering I’ve been here longer than either you or IVAR, I think you are mistaken.

About more than one data point it would seem...


46 posted on 01/04/2014 10:45:18 AM PST by Dead Corpse (I will not comply.)
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To: fatman6502002

Keep your teeth together. You are the one alienating and dividing with your specious canards and blind faith in a system that has already FAILED to prevent exactly the situation we find ourselves in.

Get off the Net. Find a local III% or Oathkeepers group. Get involved.

Stop being a cheerleader for a gerrymandered and failed system.

And how effing STUPID would it be to bandy about detailed plans on a OPEN forum? You demand others “think” and yet fail to do so yourself...


47 posted on 01/04/2014 10:50:26 AM PST by Dead Corpse (I will not comply.)
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To: Dead Corpse

Time on site makes no difference as to whom you are and you know it. Or maybe you don’t.

Your second to last post could be interpreted as a threat. I have no fear of a fight against any tyrant. I have faced and feared death twice in my lifetime, I do not fear it now. The likes of you and Invar certainly don’t strike fear in my heart. So the message is, simply, if you are trying to bully or threaten me into compliance with what you want to hear, or to stop mocking your words and posts, forget about it, ain’t happening.

If you’re considering taking the first shots then you’re an enemy of the Constitution just like the wanna be tyrants now in Washington D.C., you’d just be the other side of the tyrannical coin, because all Constitutional remedies have not been played. If you fire the first shots the Constitution will be lost forever and any chance to win the war would be lost before it really started. You will have played right into the enemies hand, which would not surprise me considering the intelligence you both put on display. I also note that you’ve posted three times in a row and not one from Invar, what a coincidence.


48 posted on 01/04/2014 11:11:51 AM PST by fatman6502002
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To: fatman6502002; Admin Moderator
Your second to last post could be interpreted as a threat.

This is why we can't be friends. You are an idiot who's only purpose here is to obfuscate and divide.

No Fort Sumters. We agree on that. The problem is, your myopia doesn't allow you to see that the first shots in the next war have already been fired BY THEM. Ask a Branch Davidian or Randy Weaver. Ask New Yorkers having their legal firearms seized and those in California...

You can either face reality, or hide from it... But either way the storm is already here.

And you can drop the insinuation that INVAR and I are one and the same. Ask the Admin Moderator to look at our IP addresses.

Troll elsewhere.

49 posted on 01/04/2014 11:21:47 AM PST by Dead Corpse (I will not comply.)
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To: Dead Corpse

I don’t troll. I post my honest opinion and I don’t care about being friends with you.

You might be right, and I might even agree with you about the Davidian’s and Ruby Ridge, but it doesn’t matter if at least a size-able plurality of the people don’t see it that way. The Boston Massacre were the real first shots of the Revolution but history still records them as Lexington and Concorde 6 years later. Had the Founders started the Revolution openly in 1770 it would have been lost and we’d still be a British Colonials. History records Fort Sumter as the beginning of the Civil War; first shots fired by the Confederacy, they lost. The Germans fired the first shots of WWI and along with Japan WWII, they lost. Getting the picture yet. There may come the time when force of arms is necessary but it is not here yet.

If you start something now under the banner of Remember Waco or Ruby Ridge, you will considered terrorists by the masses, not freedom fighters and we will lose any possibility of ever restoring the Constitution by any means. And for your information I took the oath in 1980 upon entering the Navy and I consider it an oath that has no expiration date, don’t you dare question my fealty to the Constitution.

In fact I agree upon one point with you, there is a civil war raging right this very minute. But it is being fought, now, on the political and cultural battlefield. If you take it to the next level before that has played out completely we will lose because most people do not even remember Waco and Ruby Ridge.

The psyops that are being played right now against the American people by the obama regime are designed to do exactly what you seem to propose. Which, by the way, would give obama and the tyrants just the excuse they’re looking for to declare martial law. And at this point it is likely a vast majority of the population would support giving away their Liberty for perceived security. You don’t seem to understand that or you simply will not acknowledge it.

Patience is a virtue. If the government is seen as the aggressor then a size-able plurality of the population, and the military following their oath, would be on the side of the Constitutionalists and would oppose any move towards suspension of Habeus Corpus, and would likely support those standing for the Constitution. Get it.

As for your mentions of California and New York, you can add Connecticut to that list. Those people are giving up their weapons and Liberties willingly, that’s their decision, thus they cannot be helped and they are not worth making a stand for if they themselves won’t take a stand why would anyone choose to shed blood for them?

Had they banded together and the feds and/or LEO’s fired at them then you would have a serious case for going to the next level. But when people choose give up their rights willingly we can’t help them. I have stated on other forums the when that kind of stuff happens in the mid-west, where I’m originally from, I hope the people there are made from stiffer timber than those throwing away their God given rights willingly.

I have my opinions and you have yours. The problem is you sound just like the tyrants at the leftist sites whom just want an echo chamber with 100% compliance of opinion. Yes, I have attempted to spread the message of Constitutionalism on the leftist sites too, unfortunately the progressives on those sites basically want to scrap the Constitution and accept a dictatorship, as long as the dictator is their dictator, and I heard many of them call me a troll and tell me to go away, suspiciously much like you did.

You and Invar seem to be becoming that which you claim to despise, seems obvious that the psyops are working on the weak minded. In fact there is an old song by the Who that describes the likes of you and Invar, at least judging from your posts, it goes like this, “Meet the new boss, same as the old boss”.

If you don’t like my opinion, fine, I have no problem with that, but you take it step further by insinuating that because you disagree with me that I should go elsewhere or just shut up and give up my 1st Amendment rights willingly, because you tell me too. That ain’t going to happen. In fact it sounds much like whats coming out of Washington D.C. and MSNBC these days.


50 posted on 01/04/2014 4:54:42 PM PST by fatman6502002
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