Posted on 01/03/2014 8:46:33 AM PST by fatman6502002
"THESE are the times that try men's souls. The summer soldier and the sunshine patriot will, in this crisis, shrink from the service of their country; but he that stands by it now, deserves the love and thanks of man and woman." Thomas Paine, from the essay “The Crisis”, December 23, 1776
“America will never be destroyed from the outside. If we falter and lose our freedoms, it will be because we destroyed ourselves.” Abraham Lincoln
Oh how prescient these men were. And so again we’ve reached that point as history repeats itself. Once again a Republic finds itself rotted from within and corrupt to the core and on the precipice of dictatorship. Will we suffer the fate of the Greeks and Romans and Weimar Germans or will the people rise up and throw off the shackles of the impending dictatorship and restore this once great Republic to the principles and rule of law contained in the Declaration of Independence and the Constitution? Hopefully the American people are made of stiffer timber than those whom have passed before us. Time will tell, but one must admit that time is getting shorter, with each passing day the storm clouds of another far more devastating civil war gather in the distance. There is still time to stop the impending dictatorship through the ballot box; but as more organs of the press, academia, big business i.e. those too big to fail, and the establishment wing of the Republican party become cheerleaders, supporters and propagandists for the wannabe dictator, the window of opportunity fades as the winds of progressivism threaten to extinguish the flame of liberty, and the ability of the people to stop it at the ballot box draws perilously short.
Thankfully there are several elected officials that are calling for the dictator wannabe and his acolytes in the executive branch, and elsewhere, to be held to account through impeachment. They are called the Tea Party caucus and they deserve the support of all Americans, at least those of us whom still support the Constitution. The Tea Party Caucus and the Tea Party candidates whom will be running in the next two election cycles are the last best chance to preserve and restore our Constitutional Republic without armed conflict. Hopefully I am wrong, but history suggests I and others whom harbor the same opinion, supports this conclusion. IMHO
And since the NSA, used as it is by this administration as their personal Gestapo, will capture this email and save it for posterity and proof of guilt for whatever charge they think up when the time comes and the camps are open for business, let me just reiterate that I do not advocate for an armed conflict, rather my rantings are just a prediction based upon historical precedence. Of course this qualifier will not make any difference since the next step in the advancement of dictatorship, if we’re defeated at the ballot box, will be the same kind of kangaroo courts seen in banana republics and Nazi Germany, thus evidence will not matter and the verdict will be pre-ordained. For proof, just look to recent history and the machinations of the executive branch attempting to pervert the justice system to obtain a conviction of George Zimmerman for political purposes rather than justice. The executive branch of the federal government organized marches threatening riots if not convicted. That my friends are what we would expect in places like Venezuela or North Korea, not in America. That alone should have prompted impeachment charges against the President and the Attorney General if we lived in a country where the rule of law was still sacrosanct. But alas it is not. Although in the end justice was served the fact that the attempts were made to fix the trial, and that the opposition party did nothing to prevent this attempted perversion of law prove beyond doubt that the rule of law is in grave peril in our country.
I appeal to all of my fellow Americans, and especially to those who’ve actually taken the oath to “preserve and protect the Constitution”, to get involved in the process, not just by giving money to Tea Party candidates but to volunteer time to help them. One of the things we must do is to walk precincts with our candidates and attempt to persuade those whom are persuadable that the caricature of the Tea Party, created by the press, the democrats, and the GOPe are incorrect and based upon lies about what we stand for. We are entering the end game for elections and they will become a thing of the past unless we win in 2014 and 2016, most importantly to sweep out the GOPe because they are progressive wolfs in sheep’s clothing, everybody recognizes what the progressives are, they are open about their cult of personality and want of an imperial executive, but the GOPe go about the business of advancing progressivism with as much stealth as they can muster and now with the acquiescence of big business using the US Chamber of Commerce as cover. If we don’t go all out to win and end up losing there is only one result after that and it is almost too awful to contemplate.
See tagline. The ballot box no longer counts.
Thank you, as you have again proven me correct by not answering the questions posed.
The problem is you don’t think at all. Yes, my replies are all the more amusing because they highlight your own words and that makes it simple and amusing to mock you, because, irony of all ironies, you are essentially mocking yourself, I am just the vehicle God is using to send that message to you. Think about that.
If you were capable of rational thought and reason, you would realize that it is not me, per se, that claims you are not a Christian; It is you, through your own words, posted for the world to see, that prove you’re the opposite of what you claim. Again, You have made the case and proven it, I have just stated the obvious for you so you can go about changing your behavior and save your soul.
Again thank you. You are your own worst enemy in these verbal skirmishes precisely because you don’t think, rather you feel your way through life which makes your ridiculous pronouncements so easy to refute and your inherent dishonesty so easily detected.
For instance, they way you mis-characterize John Adam’s advocacy of Revolution, you twisted the context in which a statement was made such that it fit what you wanted it to mean. That is called lying by omission, that being either omitting certain salient facts or omitting the context of a given statement. That is a hall mark of the way atheist Progressives argue; When trapped by ones own words, then just make something up or move the goal posts. Your own actions prove you to be what you are, you are just not honest enough to admit it because your goal is not to seek the truth, your one and only goal is to win the argument at any cost. And because you believe in the righteousness of your cause no tactic is too low, the ends justify the means, just like the average Muslim jihadist. Read Alinsky much?
Just because one claims themselves a Christian doesn’t make it so. Just because one prays does not make one a Christian. Just because one quotes from the Bible does not make one a Christian. And just because one calls oneself a Christian does not make one wise.
And don’t bother with your standard trope about projection, you obviously don’t understand the term and no reasonable person reading these posts would agree with you.
And you’ve still not answered the questions posed. Coward.
No. The time for peaceful redress is past.
You don’t really think the 2014 elections will be allowed to shift the balance of power do you?
Asked and answered previously. If you read my original post and the follow ups it is very clear where I stand on that issue, and yet you feel it necessary to ask a question with such an obvious answer. Stop wasting time with the obvious, if you have anything different to add please do, unless you simply want to mirror Invar.
I have a sneaking suspicion that is Invar posting as another identity, or a member of his echo chamber.
You are still trying to petition the King for a redress of grievances. We’re forming Committees of Safety.
You are on the wrong side of that line...
Considering I’ve been here longer than either you or IVAR, I think you are mistaken.
About more than one data point it would seem...
Keep your teeth together. You are the one alienating and dividing with your specious canards and blind faith in a system that has already FAILED to prevent exactly the situation we find ourselves in.
Get off the Net. Find a local III% or Oathkeepers group. Get involved.
Stop being a cheerleader for a gerrymandered and failed system.
And how effing STUPID would it be to bandy about detailed plans on a OPEN forum? You demand others “think” and yet fail to do so yourself...
Time on site makes no difference as to whom you are and you know it. Or maybe you don’t.
Your second to last post could be interpreted as a threat. I have no fear of a fight against any tyrant. I have faced and feared death twice in my lifetime, I do not fear it now. The likes of you and Invar certainly don’t strike fear in my heart. So the message is, simply, if you are trying to bully or threaten me into compliance with what you want to hear, or to stop mocking your words and posts, forget about it, ain’t happening.
If you’re considering taking the first shots then you’re an enemy of the Constitution just like the wanna be tyrants now in Washington D.C., you’d just be the other side of the tyrannical coin, because all Constitutional remedies have not been played. If you fire the first shots the Constitution will be lost forever and any chance to win the war would be lost before it really started. You will have played right into the enemies hand, which would not surprise me considering the intelligence you both put on display. I also note that you’ve posted three times in a row and not one from Invar, what a coincidence.
This is why we can't be friends. You are an idiot who's only purpose here is to obfuscate and divide.
No Fort Sumters. We agree on that. The problem is, your myopia doesn't allow you to see that the first shots in the next war have already been fired BY THEM. Ask a Branch Davidian or Randy Weaver. Ask New Yorkers having their legal firearms seized and those in California...
You can either face reality, or hide from it... But either way the storm is already here.
And you can drop the insinuation that INVAR and I are one and the same. Ask the Admin Moderator to look at our IP addresses.
Troll elsewhere.
I don’t troll. I post my honest opinion and I don’t care about being friends with you.
You might be right, and I might even agree with you about the Davidian’s and Ruby Ridge, but it doesn’t matter if at least a size-able plurality of the people don’t see it that way. The Boston Massacre were the real first shots of the Revolution but history still records them as Lexington and Concorde 6 years later. Had the Founders started the Revolution openly in 1770 it would have been lost and we’d still be a British Colonials. History records Fort Sumter as the beginning of the Civil War; first shots fired by the Confederacy, they lost. The Germans fired the first shots of WWI and along with Japan WWII, they lost. Getting the picture yet. There may come the time when force of arms is necessary but it is not here yet.
If you start something now under the banner of Remember Waco or Ruby Ridge, you will considered terrorists by the masses, not freedom fighters and we will lose any possibility of ever restoring the Constitution by any means. And for your information I took the oath in 1980 upon entering the Navy and I consider it an oath that has no expiration date, don’t you dare question my fealty to the Constitution.
In fact I agree upon one point with you, there is a civil war raging right this very minute. But it is being fought, now, on the political and cultural battlefield. If you take it to the next level before that has played out completely we will lose because most people do not even remember Waco and Ruby Ridge.
The psyops that are being played right now against the American people by the obama regime are designed to do exactly what you seem to propose. Which, by the way, would give obama and the tyrants just the excuse they’re looking for to declare martial law. And at this point it is likely a vast majority of the population would support giving away their Liberty for perceived security. You don’t seem to understand that or you simply will not acknowledge it.
Patience is a virtue. If the government is seen as the aggressor then a size-able plurality of the population, and the military following their oath, would be on the side of the Constitutionalists and would oppose any move towards suspension of Habeus Corpus, and would likely support those standing for the Constitution. Get it.
As for your mentions of California and New York, you can add Connecticut to that list. Those people are giving up their weapons and Liberties willingly, that’s their decision, thus they cannot be helped and they are not worth making a stand for if they themselves won’t take a stand why would anyone choose to shed blood for them?
Had they banded together and the feds and/or LEO’s fired at them then you would have a serious case for going to the next level. But when people choose give up their rights willingly we can’t help them. I have stated on other forums the when that kind of stuff happens in the mid-west, where I’m originally from, I hope the people there are made from stiffer timber than those throwing away their God given rights willingly.
I have my opinions and you have yours. The problem is you sound just like the tyrants at the leftist sites whom just want an echo chamber with 100% compliance of opinion. Yes, I have attempted to spread the message of Constitutionalism on the leftist sites too, unfortunately the progressives on those sites basically want to scrap the Constitution and accept a dictatorship, as long as the dictator is their dictator, and I heard many of them call me a troll and tell me to go away, suspiciously much like you did.
You and Invar seem to be becoming that which you claim to despise, seems obvious that the psyops are working on the weak minded. In fact there is an old song by the Who that describes the likes of you and Invar, at least judging from your posts, it goes like this, “Meet the new boss, same as the old boss”.
If you don’t like my opinion, fine, I have no problem with that, but you take it step further by insinuating that because you disagree with me that I should go elsewhere or just shut up and give up my 1st Amendment rights willingly, because you tell me too. That ain’t going to happen. In fact it sounds much like whats coming out of Washington D.C. and MSNBC these days.
And what you fail to realize is that it won't matter when we really start resisting, they'll label us that anyway. Already have in fact and we haven't done anything. Don't let your cowardice keep your feet stone for too long, or you may find yourself standing alone.
Pat Henry had a good speech on the subject, but I doubt you'd get the point.
You say:
“And what you fail to realize is that it won’t matter when we really start resisting, they’ll label us that anyway. Already have in fact and we haven’t done anything.”
Yes I do realize it but there is no need to prove them correct through ill considered action and thus turn public opinion against a movement that want’s to restore the Republic. Every time a mass shooting happens the MSM claim it the fault of the Tea Party and every time within hours or days the MSM is proven wrong and it is almost always a far left loon. Every time this repeats itself the leftist MSM and the progressive pols who push the anti-Tea Party message and call names loses a little more credibility with the masses. You may not realize it but popular opinion is slowly and subtly moving in our direction but you must pay close attention or you wont see it. It is always darkest just before daylight. Think about that.
They call us names now but at this point not many people believe it except the hardest of the hard left. But you start resisting with arms and bombs now and start killing people it will only confirm for the masses what the progressives have been saying, what up to this point, is just seen as childish name calling and is basically dismissed as such. As I will dismiss your childishness calling me a coward, when in fact you have no idea what I may have done in my life. One never knows for sure whom one is talking to on the internet. I have cogently explained why it is a bad idea to move to an armed resistance at this time and you simply, and emotionally disregard it, that is your choice. But the fact is if you move now or any time soon your moniker will be very apt.
You didn't answer any of mine, why should I answer any of your wife-beating traps? You keep projecting that which you accuse - which in itself is very instructive and amusing.
You seem to spend all your time assuming, mocking, belittling and then alienating anyone who takes issue with your 'solution' to tyranny. You won't gain a single hand to assist anything you want to accomplish in life. Instead you seem to be adept at making adversaries. People like you give patriots a bad name.
I laugh at people like you. As if being called a 'coward' by someone of your ilk bothers me.
On the contrary, it amuses me - coming from someone who thinks the ballot box is the salvation of the republic in 2014 and 2016 while accusing those who are warning of where we have arrived with that which your OP is warning will happen if people don't 'rise up' to go and vote whom you deem worthy in the next two election cycles.
It's almost as hilarious as being lectured about what constitutes a real Christian by someone who just mocked, belittled, scoffed and judged someone's standing before the Lord and then decreed they are an atheist.
Then again, the religious leaders declared Jesus had a demon too.
As to declaring yourself a vehicle of the Lord - you are nothing of the kind. I know The Still Small Voice, and you fella - are no voice of The Lord, despite declaring yourself one.
Pretty sure the one who studied Alinsky and applies his tactics in ridicule, is the person you see in the mirror.
Your fruits are very self-evident.
You may want to take your own words under advisement.
You can’t fix stupid and you’ve now proven that several times.
“You may want to take your own words under advisement.”
Why, you’re a nobody who has seen and done nothing in the world, that is very obvious from your pedantic posts.
Maybe you should try to acquire a sense of humor about certain things and stop being so literal about everything. Life would be so much easier for you and your alter ego or father or whom ever “dead corpse” is.
So let me process this, Invar stops posting then dead corpse starts posting then he quits and Invar starts again and actually answers a post sent to dead corpse. Not a problem for me but for you Invar/dead corpse you might want to remember this little gem from Ian Hunter, “You’re never alone with a schizophrenic”.
in fact you have no idea what I may have done in my life. One never knows for sure whom one is talking to on the internet.
So exactly who here is schizophrenic? You posted both the above statements. You have decided on your own accord that I have seen and done nothing in the world right after you advised someone else not to make similar judgments. Hypocrisy must be your middle name.
You know, the really sad thing is - I agreed with 95% of what you wrote in post 50 - but because you are such an ass and more readily willing to ridicule, insult and alienate everyone and anyone who is not in lock-goose step with your solutions and assessments without even understanding why we hold the positions we do, your OP and opinions are worthless to anyone but yourself. All you are is a clanging cymbal.
Go ahead, I'm sure you will make another woefully ignorant assessment of who and what you think I am or have done in life along with other posters here who dare to disagree with you on a single point.
I've seen and done far more in this world than anything you would ever know, or consider.
All you seem capable of doing in life is making enemies.
Even from people who would otherwise have largely agreed with you on major issues.
Too bad you killed an opportunity, but perhaps that is all you are really good at.
OK, I’ll take one last opportunity to explain myself and shine the light as brightly as I can such that even a blind man can see it. Although those whom are simply stubborn and determined to remain willfully blind will never see the light shining right in their face. So here it goes:
1. I do not care about making friends. It is more important to be right and correct. As Orwell said, “the further people move from the truth, the more they will hate those who speak it”. You and your friends seem to have fallen into that trap. Being right and correct in our assumptions and strategies, based upon logic and historical precedent is what will win in any kind of conflict. I have worked around the world on 5 different continents in 40 or so different countries through the years with many people I do not like or respect on a personal level, and visa versa I am sure, but yet was able to work effectively to accomplish whatever goals we were being directed and paid to accomplish. If this little tidbit doesn’t give me away to you nothing ever will because you’re determined not to see.
2. You and your alter-ego have consistently tried to make the case that this is the time for an armed resistance. I have destroyed IMHO those arguments using logic and historical precedent. You just said that you agreed with 95% of what I said in post 50, which was but one synopsis of my argument against an armed conflict at this time. That suggests you believe I am right, yet you claim that you would throw the baby out with the bath water because you don’t like me. How short-sighted your own words prove you to be.
3. Number 2 above is the basis for my assumption that you and your alter ego would ignore facts and proper strategy because you don’t like the messenger. There is much historical evidence proving that ignoring the correct message from sources you dislike is not a winning strategy.
4. One needs only to read the history of the decisions by the leaders on the losing side in almost any war fought throughout history for confirmation of #3. For instance: Hitler hated his Prussian trained Generals. The Generals who had spent a lifetime studying and waging war begged Hitler, the Bohemian Corporal as they referred to him, not to attempt to fight a two front war as they had in WW I, and he ignored them and Germany was crushed, again. Tojo hated Yamamoto, he ignored his warnings and attacked the US and Japan was crushed. Napoleon believed his judgment to be superior than the collective judgment of his generals and was advised by them that Waterloo was the wrong place to fight, he ignored them and was crushed. Darius III at Gaugamela was advised not to move his cavalry and chariots to mirror Alexander the Great’s movements, that they were a deception, Darius III ignored their advice and the Persian Empire was crushed. Do you need anymore historical examples? They are plentiful.
5. I have spent much time teasing and baiting you into the responses that I, unfortunately, expected. I have also posted some absurdities to show the absurdity of your points, because it became obvious that logic did not work with you hence the change in tactics. Much of what I have said, including the bit about God using me to send a message to you, was said very obviously tongue in cheek and yet you still took the bait and considered it a serious remark.
6. My point in all of this is that the next civil war will take much more mental toughness, patience, guile and finesse to win than you and your alter ego tend to display. In fact neither of you show any sign that you understand that fact. You have exposed your lack of mental toughness by constantly engaging the obvious absurdities rather than the substance of the message.
7. You have stated on several occasions that I was mocking your faith, Christianity, despite the fact that I have on many occasions explained that I was mocking you, not the Christian faith, to which I subscribe as a baptized Catholic. Why would I lie about that? I have no reason to lie to you since I don’t care whether you like me or not.
8. 6 and 7 make the point that you are easily distracted by innocuous crap, which in turn means that any conflict you start is doomed to failure. Your own words and choices to which you respond have made it obvious that you are susceptible to any and all deceptions, even the most obvious. And believe me, many deceptions, both strategic and tactical in nature will be part of any battle plan by the forces arrayed against you, and you will again play right into the hands of your enemies in any armed conflict or otherwise. I, with your help, have proven this easily time and again with the problem being that even with all these obvious examples you still will not acknowledge this basic proven fact.
9. Another rule to remember about conflict, and I think this goes back to Sun Tzu, “no plan survives first contact with the enemy”. You would do well to heed that lesson, which to this point you have not. And I refer here to, amongst other things, the obvious psyops being deployed against all of the American people. Some of us recognize them and understand the result the enemy wants to effect, and, obviously, you don’t. Also the ability to prepare for several different contingencies with the ability to pivot at a moments notice to a different plan when the opportunity arises is another skill set you seem to lack. I don’t believe, based upon your responses that either of you have such ability and that will doom you to failure probably before or very shortly after you fire your first shot in any resistance you try to mount.
10. Again, I do not care about being friends, I care about only one thing and that is defeating my enemies i.e., the enemies of the Constitution, and restoring the Republic the Founders left in our care. When asked by a woman what form of government we had, Ben Franklin responded, “A Republic Madam, if you can keep it”. Think about that.
11. I am fighting today’s civil war on the battlefield on which it is actually, at this time, being fought, that being the political and cultural battlefield. I also know and understand, as an absolute fact, that if we try to fight it as an armed conflict at a time and on a battlefield that is not yet prepared, and that the people are not ready to support, it is doomed to failure. And this is where mental toughness and patience come into the equation. The fact that you do not understand this, and I have made this very point several times and that you continue to ignore it is all one needs to know about where you and your friends are coming from. I suspect you see yourselves as a new Timothy Mc Veigh, he was an amateur and a dolt, not a hero; He did not even understand the very basics of what made for an effective resistance and where he and his friends are now, prove it beyond any standard. He was deluded and believed that if he struck a blow against the Government by killing innocent people who happened to be in the employ of the IRS, that the people would then rally round him. How amazingly short-sighted and profoundly wrong he was, as history proves. And yet you and your friends propose the same course of action.
12. As I have stated previously, patience is a virtue, especially in a conflict like the one now playing out. The ability to separate the wheat from the chaff, and to pick the winning messages and strategies and the ability to recognize deception, even when the info allowing such judgments come from sources you might dislike is what makes the difference between victory and defeat.
13. You and your friends do not seem to have even a basic understanding of the military/strategic/tactical/leadership principles of which I have spoken and alluded too in all these posts; hence my previous statement that you’re a nobody who has seen and done nothing in the world. For if you had you would not ignore what I have said and you would not have so easily been baited by my other obviously innocuous statements.
14. So, take my advice for whatever it is worth to you, and realize that if you go ahead with your armed resistance now, you will end up like Mc Veigh or at Gitmo faster than you can even imagine, and you will make it impossible for those of us pursuing strategies to restore our Republic, that can win in the long run, next to impossible because you and the others will be branded as right wing traitors and all of us whom want to restore the Republic will be lumped right in with you and the masses of people will be propagandized to believe we are all like you. If this fact is not obvious to you I have no idea what might be.
15. As I’ve demonstrated here, others throughout history have ignored good and salient advice, remained stubborn and not learned the lessons of history, thus they lost because they subordinated logic to their emotion and personal ambition. Think about it, deeper than you usually think about things and maybe the simple logic I’ve spent many posts trying to get through your thick skull will finally be acknowledged. Although I suspect it won’t.
1. Soap box
2. Ballot box
3. Ammo box
I have no problem with that as long as they are all done at the correct time. We are at the stage that the ammo box should be prepared but we have not reached a time where it should be used. That’s the point of the original post and all those since. We are at a point that the Soap Box and Ballot Box are the battlefield, at this time in history, and that should be respected. We might, in time, have to move to use of the Ammo Box but now is not the time. That seems obvious to me. What say you?
So let's see where we might agree in principle as opposed to tactics - and perhaps you might understand a bit more where we are coming from rather than making yourself an adversary.
I want to start in what you wrote in post 50 - perhaps you may understand where I am coming from based on my agreements with your assessments made there.
The Boston Massacre were the real first shots of the Revolution but history still records them as Lexington and Concorde 6 years later. Had the Founders started the Revolution openly in 1770 it would have been lost and we’d still be a British Colonials. History records Fort Sumter as the beginning of the Civil War; first shots fired by the Confederacy, they lost. The Germans fired the first shots of WWI and along with Japan WWII, they lost. Getting the picture yet. There may come the time when force of arms is necessary but it is not here yet.
Absolutely historically correct. The model for any successful resistance to tyranny that will be blessed by God is already evident in the histories you cited. I do not advocate marching on D.C. or firing any first shots. Recall that even at Lexington Green the Minutemen were told to wait until fired upon, and only until they could see their enemies' faces clearly.
If you start something now under the banner of Remember Waco or Ruby Ridge, you will considered terrorists by the masses, not freedom fighters and we will lose any possibility of ever restoring the Constitution by any means.
It is important to have moral justification for a righteous cause. That being said - understand that this enemy ruling us has already demonstrated that they and their media will label anyone who even opposes them on ideological grounds as a terrorist. (i.e.: April 2009 DHS Terror Assessment). The MarxoFascists are desperate for an incident to justify their years'-long demonization of their opposition.
there is a civil war raging right this very minute. But it is being fought, now, on the political and cultural battlefield. If you take it to the next level before that has played out completely we will lose because most people do not even remember Waco and Ruby Ridge.
I agree to a point - the truth is that we have already lost the cultural and political battlefield. I lived in Cook County - I know how the Machine works. That has gone national - and they do not even bother masquerading their corruption any longer. We saw our last 'honest' national election in 2008. We have now gone Soviet. That became self-evident to me last year.
That said - I think that 'waiting until it has fully played-out' will result in what people like Aleksandr Solzhenitsyn or the Jews suffered 70 plus years ago in Europe. That does not mean I'm advocating marches on D.C. What that means is, this people better be prepared for where the ideology now ruling us will go next.
The psyops that are being played right now against the American people by the obama regime are designed to do exactly what you seem to propose. Which, by the way, would give obama and the tyrants just the excuse they’re looking for to declare martial law.
Exactly correct. Every Marxist dictatorship and regime come to power REQUIRES bloodshed and it's political enemies showcased to be a dangerous threat to the average citizen. We are however, in a catch-22 - the regime can and will probably manufacture a Reichstag event to give them the justification to do what they have been attempting to do via all the other mass shootings in the last number of years: pin them on Conservatives. I expect that will be the case given what they have already attempted to do with everything from Benghazi to ObamaCare's failure.
And at this point it is likely a vast majority of the population would support giving away their Liberty for perceived security. You don’t seem to understand that or you simply will not acknowledge it.
100% agreement. The photos from CT last week verify this assessment with perfect clarity.
Patience is a virtue. If the government is seen as the aggressor then a size-able plurality of the population, and the military following their oath, would be on the side of the Constitutionalists and would oppose any move towards suspension of Habeus Corpus, and would likely support those standing for the Constitution. Get it.
Agreed, however the tightrope danger is that patience can be a vice and exploited for the enemy to consolidate and prepare offenses against us.
I do not believe the military will save us. It also is being fundamentally transformed, those who hold to their oaths being drummed out - Christianity being expunged from exercise, social engineering and abandonment by the Executive. A military separated from biblical morals is a military that can do horrifying things at the request of it's leaders.
What I warn, is that most who urge 'patience', are those who would not advocate prepping for anything beyond getting their candidates into office. Those whom assert this system we had is infallible and still viable. That simply voting for Republicans will save us. Even Mark Levin acknowledges that we are beyond the point of elections to stop the tyranny in Washington.
Those people are giving up their weapons and Liberties willingly, that’s their decision, thus they cannot be helped and they are not worth making a stand for if they themselves won’t take a stand why would anyone choose to shed blood for them?
History is repeating. I have in-laws that were part of Hitler's youth - they describe these exact types of situations happening in the mid-30's in Germany - and that is how the Nazis were able to take total power. Registration for everything was commonplace he said. You had to register your family, your guns, your property etc. Once the fear spreads they say - everyone who used to speak out against the insanity of what the Nazis were preaching went silent out of fear. Everyone complied with the dictates - and no one was able to trust anyone with anything anymore. Nazism was popular in the cities and spread like a disease, slowly at first - to the countryside where it eventually engulfed everyone because there were few left willing to make any stand against them.
The problem is you sound just like the tyrants at the leftist sites whom just want an echo chamber with 100% compliance of opinion.
No, you knee jerked and accused that of which we perceive yourself to be doing.
If you don’t like my opinion, fine, I have no problem with that, but you take it step further by insinuating that because you disagree with me that I should go elsewhere or just shut up and give up my 1st Amendment rights willingly
I never suggested such a thing. It's not your opinion in whole we disagreed, it was your statement that if we want to prevent tyranny and civil war, that that ballot box is our only hope. I think we are far past that stage of redress. I have no faith in this entire government, it has been corrupted. I have no faith in the electoral system, that too has been corrupted. We have no voice or representation in Washington save one or two who are not yet corrupted.
We are where the Colonists were in the early-to-mid 1700s. Petitioning the king and parliament was simply met with further insult. We're in the same boat.
Where I think we have arrived, is at the tactical point of mass disobedience, refusal and non-compliance with dictates, "laws" and programs coming from the Feds.
That will be declared to be sedition and treason. But I submit resistance to tyrants is obedience to God. We do not need to fire any first shot. We simply need to be defiant and tyrants will do what tyrants have always done to those who dare oppose them.
THEN they will have made that last mistake.
THEN we will have the moral justification to wage war in defense of ourselves.
I do not care about making friends. It is more important to be right and correct.
I can appreciate that. I too can care less about making friends when the issues and principles are more important than consensus.
Being right and correct in our assumptions and strategies, based upon logic and historical precedent is what will win in any kind of conflict.
You state you were in the military. As such, you left out one important ingredient in your equation: knowing the enemy, of which historical precedents by those same ideologies is also key. You cannot reason with the unreasonable. neither can you expect honesty from the dishonest. The MarxoFascist ("Progressive") movement in alliance with the Ruling Class in Washington are neither reasonable or honest. The institutions they control and influence, cannot be trusted and I contend it is too late for the ballot box to correct where we have gone wrong in this nation.
Narcissists and egomaniacal tyrants are easily provoked into revealing what they really are and intend to do. All we have to do, is defy them, refuse compliance and harm the efforts of the imposition of tyranny. Then they will move to impose their will by force.
Then we will be justified to resist.
And this the MarxoFascists are expecting. They are preparing for it. So should we.
You and your alter-ego have consistently tried to make the case that this is the time for an armed resistance.
I've said no such thing. All I have stated is that it is much later than you think if the ballot box is your solution to stop where we have arrived in terms of the imposition of tyranny. Tyranny is here, and consolidating itself.
I'll hold on responding to the rest of your comments pending whether or not what I've written in agreement with you thusfar along with explanations of where I differ will result in yet more insults, condescension, ridicule and mockery from you.
Let's see if you are indeed a sow, or if I can admit being wrong in assessing you based on your replies to me in this thread.
I'm not your enemy, unless you choose to make me such.
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