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Detroit police chief: Want crime to drop? Start carrying
Hotair ^ | 01/03/2014 | Ed Morrissey

Posted on 01/03/2014 12:32:54 PM PST by SeekAndFind

James Craig just took over the office of police chief last summer, but he’s already making waves in Detroit. A reorganization of the police force in the bankrupt metropolis has resulted in a higher clearance rate in murder cases, and the murder rate dropped almost 14% in 2013 from its two-decade high in 2012. However, Craig has some advice for his fellow citizens in Motor City if they really want a drop in crime — arm yourselves:

If more citizens were armed, criminals would think twice about attacking them, Detroit Police Chief James Craig said Thursday.

Urban police chiefs are typically in favor of gun control or reluctant to discuss the issue, but Craig on Thursday was candid about how he’s changed his mind.

“When we look at the good community members who have concealed weapons permits, the likelihood they’ll shoot is based on a lack of confidence in this Police Department,” Craig said at a press conference at police headquarters, adding that he thinks more Detroit citizens feel safer, thanks in part to a 7 percent drop in violent crime in 2013.

Craig wasn’t always in favor of carry permits. While serving in Los Angeles, where permits are issued on a notoriously miserly (and some would add arbitrary) manner, Craig thought that disarmament was the answer. It wasn’t until he went to a carry-friendly jurisdiction that he understood the difference:

Craig said he started believing that legal gun owners can deter crime when he became police chief in Portland, Maine, in 2009.

“Coming from California (Craig was on the Los Angeles police force for 28 years), where it takes an act of Congress to get a concealed weapon permit, I got to Maine, where they give out lots of CCWs (carrying concealed weapon permits), and I had a stack of CCW permits I was denying; that was my orientation.

“I changed my orientation real quick. Maine is one of the safest places in America. Clearly, suspects knew that good Americans were armed.”

It’s not the first time that Craig has endorsed carry permits. Two weeks ago, the Detroit News notes, he told a local radio show that responsibly armed citizens act as a deterrent, in a city that can clearly use one. Even though the murder rate has dropped, Detroit had as many homicides in 2013 as New York City, which has more than ten times its population. Chicago had only 29 more than Detroit despite having nearly four times the population. It’s worth noting that both New York City and Chicago have extraordinary restrictions on gun ownership, let alone carry permits, and Chicago routinely ranks among the worst American metropolitan areas for homicides and violent crime.

At least one recent study suggests that Craig hits the nail on the head. A long-range study by a Quinnipiac University economist shows that states with more restrictions on firearm ownership and carry permits had higher murder rates by guns than gun-friendly states, and suggests that increasing restrictions on concealed-carry permits pushes the murder rate up, not down. It also showed that assault-weapons bans had no effect on murder rates.

Perhaps more police chiefs will change their orientation with this information at hand. State legislatures should get ahead of that curve.

Addendum: Via Instapundit, let’s not forget that increasing restrictions on gun ownership can be bad for the economy as well as the crime rate, as it will be in Colorado:

Magpul Industries announced today that it is relocating its operations to Wyoming and Texas.

The company is relocating manufacturing, distribution and shipping operations to Cheyenne, Wyoming. Magpul is leasing a 58,000 square foot manufacturing and distribution facility during the construction of a 100,000 square foot build-to-suit facility in the Cheyenne Business Parkway. The Wyoming relocation is being completed with support from Governor Matt Mead, the Wyoming Business Council and Cheyenne LEADS.

Magpul is moving its corporate headquarters to Texas. Three North Central Texas sites are under final consideration, and the transition to the Texas headquarters will begin as soon as the facility is selected. The Texas relocation is being accomplished with support from Governor Rick Perry and the Texas Economic Development Corporation.

“Magpul made the decision to relocate in March 2013 and has proceeded on an aggressive but deliberate path” says Doug Smith, Chief Operating Officer for Magpul Industries. “These dual moves will be carried out in a manner that ensures our operations and supply chain will not be interrupted and our loyal customers will not be affected.”

The company began a nationwide search for a new base of operations after legislation was enacted in Colorado that dramatically limits the sale of firearms accessories – the core of Magpul’s business. Magpul plans on initially transitioning 92% of its current workforce outside of Colorado within 12-16 months and will maintain only limited operations in Colorado.

“Moving operations to states that support our culture of individual liberties and personal responsibility is important,” says Richard Fitzpatrick, Chief Executive Officer for Magpul Industries. “This relocation will also improve business operations and logistics as we utilize the strengths of Texas and Wyoming in our expansion.”



TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Crime/Corruption; Culture/Society; Miscellaneous; US: Michigan
KEYWORDS: alreadyposted; banglist; crime; detroit; guns; michigan

1 posted on 01/03/2014 12:32:54 PM PST by SeekAndFind
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To: SeekAndFind

In before first SAPP post!!!!!


2 posted on 01/03/2014 12:34:19 PM PST by Malichi (!)
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To: SeekAndFind

Good advice................


3 posted on 01/03/2014 12:35:49 PM PST by Red Badger (Proud member of the Zeta Omicron Tau Fraternity since 2004...................)
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To: Malichi
SAPP

What's is SAPP?

4 posted on 01/03/2014 12:37:01 PM PST by SIDENET
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To: SeekAndFind

Would like to point out that the idea that more guns = less crime is based on the assumption that almost all those packing are law-abiding citizens.

Haven’t seen any numbers, but it seems logical that as the ratio of criminals to decent citizens increases, the effectiveness of this approach to crime reduction goes down.


5 posted on 01/03/2014 12:40:42 PM PST by Sherman Logan
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To: Springman; cyclotic; netmilsmom; RatsDawg; PGalt; FreedomHammer; queenkathy; madison10; ...
Bet few thought they would ever hear a Detroit police chief say this. Actually he's made quite a few good moves in Detroit like stripping the Mayor of a 20 man security detail and keeping precincts open 24 hours.

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Michigan legislative action thread
6 posted on 01/03/2014 12:41:49 PM PST by cripplecreek (REMEMBER THE RIVER RAISIN!)
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To: SeekAndFind
If more citizens were armed, criminals would think twice about attacking them, Detroit Police Chief James Craig said Thursday.

What's that I hear? Oh, I recognize it, it's liberal/progressive/democRATs heads exploding...

Smells like victory.

5.56mm

7 posted on 01/03/2014 12:44:26 PM PST by M Kehoe
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To: Springman; cyclotic; netmilsmom; RatsDawg; PGalt; FreedomHammer; queenkathy; madison10; ...

Also here.

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/3107995/posts


8 posted on 01/03/2014 12:46:03 PM PST by cripplecreek (REMEMBER THE RIVER RAISIN!)
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To: cripplecreek

“Bet few thought they would ever hear a Detroit police chief say this. Actually he’s made quite a few good moves in Detroit like stripping the Mayor of a 20 man security detail and keeping precincts open 24 hours.”

Now he needs to start giving his thoughts to the jerks that run the PD’s in all our major cities.


9 posted on 01/03/2014 12:48:13 PM PST by vette6387
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To: M Kehoe

~~~If more citizens were armed, criminals would think twice about attacking them, Detroit Police Chief James Craig said Thursday.~~~

One of these days a knockout game playa is gonna fail and get taken out by a CCW.

I will shed no tears for the playa.


10 posted on 01/03/2014 12:49:39 PM PST by F15Eagle (1Jn4:15;5:4-5,11-13;Mt27:50-54;Mk15:33-34;Jn3:17-18,6:69,11:25,14:6,20:31;Ro10:8-11;1Tm2:5-6;Ti3:4-7)
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To: F15Eagle
Hi.

I will shed no tears for the playa.

The only thing I will shed is more money for ammo to dispatch the "playa" to Valhalla.

5.56mm

11 posted on 01/03/2014 12:52:34 PM PST by M Kehoe
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To: M Kehoe

Yep — I’m always on the lookout for good-quality 9mm.


12 posted on 01/03/2014 12:54:56 PM PST by F15Eagle (1Jn4:15;5:4-5,11-13;Mt27:50-54;Mk15:33-34;Jn3:17-18,6:69,11:25,14:6,20:31;Ro10:8-11;1Tm2:5-6;Ti3:4-7)
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To: SeekAndFind

Craig has also restarted the stop and frisk program ended by Chairman Young many years ago. I know he was looking into criminally charging dispatchers for knowingly lying to callers after after 2 callers were murdered while waiting for police that weren’t even coming.


13 posted on 01/03/2014 12:55:34 PM PST by cripplecreek (REMEMBER THE RIVER RAISIN!)
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To: vette6387

One of my neighbors is a former Detroit cop. He says “Hallelujah, someone has seen the light.”

He told me about the “virtual precinct” crap meant that you might have 20 cops on duty for one shift and none on duty for the next 16 hours. When the precincts were open were traditionally the lowest crime hours.


14 posted on 01/03/2014 1:06:44 PM PST by cripplecreek (REMEMBER THE RIVER RAISIN!)
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To: SeekAndFind

Good. Now maybe they’ll do the right and honorable thing and institute constitutional carry in MI.


15 posted on 01/03/2014 1:14:18 PM PST by RKBA Democrat (Having some small say in who gets to hold the whip doesn't make you any less a slave.)
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To: RKBA Democrat
institute constitutional carry in MI.

What does that mean?

16 posted on 01/03/2014 1:43:47 PM PST by Hot Tabasco (Miss Muffit suffered from arachnophobia.....)
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To: Hot Tabasco

“What does that mean?”

Constitutional carry is the ability to carry a gun, openly or concealed, without a permit. I think we’re up to 5 states that allow it:

AK, VT, WY, AZ, and AR.


17 posted on 01/03/2014 1:52:21 PM PST by RKBA Democrat (Having some small say in who gets to hold the whip doesn't make you any less a slave.)
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To: RKBA Democrat

We need more people like this.


18 posted on 01/03/2014 2:04:58 PM PST by ZULU (Impeach that Bastard Barrack Hussein Obama the Doctor Mengele of Medical Care)
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To: cripplecreek

“One of my neighbors is a former Detroit cop. He says “Hallelujah, someone has seen the light.””

WE ARE WINNING! This guy is like David Horowitz, who made the “conversion” from Liberal to Conservative and now can’t understand how he could have been so wrong for so long. Our real enemies now are the GOPe RINOs.


19 posted on 01/03/2014 2:07:27 PM PST by vette6387
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To: SeekAndFind

Bravo!


20 posted on 01/03/2014 2:13:55 PM PST by QBFimi (When gunpowder speaks, beasts listen.)
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To: SIDENET

Self Appointed Posting Police: I figured you would be getting one of those, “This has already been posted” posts so I thought I would try to beat them to it. Slow day...Sorry


21 posted on 01/03/2014 2:14:18 PM PST by Malichi (!)
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To: vette6387

My neighbor came here to be a cop on our little 5 man police force and we closed it down less than a year later and he decided to stay and do something else.


22 posted on 01/03/2014 2:18:20 PM PST by cripplecreek (REMEMBER THE RIVER RAISIN!)
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To: SeekAndFind

He also has made two huge raids on known crime areas, apartment buildings, and hauled off many suspects in each raid. The people living there were ecstatic, cheering and thanking the police. It was a sight to behold. I’ve never heard of any police chief in Detroit doing this.


23 posted on 01/03/2014 2:37:46 PM PST by FrdmLvr ("WE ARE ALL OSAMA, 0BAMA!" al-Qaeda terrorists who breached the American compound in Benghazi)
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To: ZULU

“We need more people like this.”

We do. Obviously this guy is up to a challenge if he took the job in Detroit.


24 posted on 01/03/2014 3:50:46 PM PST by RKBA Democrat (Having some small say in who gets to hold the whip doesn't make you any less a slave.)
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To: Sherman Logan
Haven’t seen any numbers, but it seems logical that as the ratio of criminals to decent citizens increases, the effectiveness of this approach to crime reduction goes down.

When have you ever seen such a city or town? When there are more predators than prey, the ecological niche breaks down and ceases to exist. Predators have nothing to gain by preying on each other.

I would suggest that predators can't survive where there are no (or too few) prey. Those that are attracted to greener pastures will be put in check if most of the prey are armed. The validity of the 'more guns = less crime' theory holds.

25 posted on 01/03/2014 4:08:04 PM PST by Windflier (To anger a conservative, tell him a lie. To anger a liberal, tell him the truth.)
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To: SeekAndFind
If more citizens were armed, criminals would think twice about attacking them, Detroit Police Chief James Craig said Thursday.

Criminals would do more than think twice if those same citizens openly carried. Do that in Detroit and watch how fast the incidence of violent crime falls.

26 posted on 01/03/2014 4:10:57 PM PST by Windflier (To anger a conservative, tell him a lie. To anger a liberal, tell him the truth.)
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To: Hot Tabasco
"constitutional carry"

What does that mean?

It's from the words of the 2nd Amendment, "...to keep and bear arms..."

To 'bear' arms, is to openly wear them on your person.

27 posted on 01/03/2014 4:16:20 PM PST by Windflier (To anger a conservative, tell him a lie. To anger a liberal, tell him the truth.)
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To: Windflier
To 'bear' arms, is to openly wear them on your person.

If that's your interpretation then Michigan is indeed in compliance since open carry is perfectly legal.

However, as the above poster mentioned, "constitutional carry" I guess is supposed to include concealed carry without a permit.........

28 posted on 01/03/2014 4:21:42 PM PST by Hot Tabasco (Miss Muffit suffered from arachnophobia.....)
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To: Hot Tabasco
as the above poster mentioned, "constitutional carry" I guess is supposed to include concealed carry without a permit.

That's the "shall not be infringed" part of the 2nd Amendment. You betcha.

29 posted on 01/03/2014 5:07:11 PM PST by Windflier (To anger a conservative, tell him a lie. To anger a liberal, tell him the truth.)
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To: FrdmLvr

And now the chief draws praise on twitter from Ted Cruz.

Senator Ted Cruz @SenTedCruz 24m

After seeing concealed carry in action, Detroit Police Chief confirms a law-abiding, armed citizenry deters crime


30 posted on 01/03/2014 5:09:19 PM PST by cripplecreek (REMEMBER THE RIVER RAISIN!)
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To: SeekAndFind

John Lott said tonight that Jim Noble, head of INTERPOL basically came to the same conclusion.


31 posted on 01/03/2014 7:28:47 PM PST by TurboZamboni (Marx smelled bad and lived with his parents .)
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To: Windflier

“When have you ever seen such a city or town? When there are more predators than prey, the ecological niche breaks down and ceases to exist. Predators have nothing to gain by preying on each other.”

The closest that I have heard of is Colon, Panama. I was told that the thieves steal from each other there.

I have also read of tribal areas in Africa around 1900, where it was essentially “every man for himself” and no one was “safe” at any time, as murder was condoned and encouraged.

In conditions such as that, there is very little productivity, and not much to steal.


32 posted on 01/04/2014 4:22:56 AM PST by marktwain (The MSM must die for the Republic to live. Long live the new media!)
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