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Father of Colorado school shooting victim said he forgives killer
AP via Fox News ^ | January 1, 2014

Posted on 01/03/2014 2:22:26 PM PST by EveningStar

The father of a 17-year-old girl who was fatally shot at her suburban Denver high school said Wednesday that he and his wife have forgiven the killer, and he asked others to do the same.

Michael Davis said at a memorial service for his daughter Claire that the killer was blinded by anger and didn't know what he was doing.

"My wife and I forgive Karl Pierson for what he did," Davis said. "We would ask all of you here and all of you watching to forgive Karl Pierson. He didn't know what he was doing."

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TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Culture/Society; News/Current Events; US: Colorado
KEYWORDS: clairedavis; forgiveness; karlpierson; michaeldavis
Mr. Davis, you're full of crap.
1 posted on 01/03/2014 2:22:26 PM PST by EveningStar
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To: EveningStar

I don’t get why Davis is “full of crap”. Did I miss something in the article?


2 posted on 01/03/2014 2:25:35 PM PST by albie
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To: albie

I would not forgive.


3 posted on 01/03/2014 2:26:11 PM PST by EveningStar
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To: EveningStar

Every person grieves in a different way. I imagine that I would not be so forgiving. In fact, I would probably have the exact opposite reaction.


4 posted on 01/03/2014 2:27:09 PM PST by 3Fingas (Sons and Daughters for Freedom and Rededicaton to the Principles of the U.S. Constitution...)
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To: EveningStar

And is Mr. Davis willing for the State to forgive his daughters killer and set him free without a trial and with no consequences?

Forgiveness is like a loaded gun. Handle it carefully and do not be so reckless and foolish with it.


5 posted on 01/03/2014 2:27:30 PM PST by Responsibility2nd (NO LIBS. This Means Liberals and (L)libertarians! Same Thing. NO LIBS!!)
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To: EveningStar

Mr. David didn’t have the opportunity of purposeful rage. Both his daughter and her killer are now dead. This may be his way of trying to come to terms with the hard facts of this murder. To remain publicly outraged would accomplish nothing. Outraged at whom? for what? at this point. He may be playing it strong and stoic in order to support the remaining family members, who are, at this point still way too upset to say anything to any snooping reporter.


6 posted on 01/03/2014 2:29:11 PM PST by lee martell
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To: EveningStar

As a Christian I believe we are to forgive folks who honestly and sincerely request it. True repentance must exist, and no penalty should be lessened in the process. NONE! (on this earth)

Now, as an individual at a time late enough after the death of the daughter, the parent may be moved to be forgiving personally.

Not waiting very long, and publicly professing forgiveness, amounts to nothing less than complete buffoonery and the ultimate betrayal of the daughter.

He may be trying to be a good Christian, but his daughter deserves better than this.


7 posted on 01/03/2014 2:29:26 PM PST by DoughtyOne (ZERO is still zero!)
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To: EveningStar

Karl Pierson killed himself after the shooting so forgiveness is about the only thing the Davis family would have left.


8 posted on 01/03/2014 2:31:21 PM PST by MeganC (Support Matt Bevin to oust Mitch McConnell! https://mattbevin.com/)
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To: EveningStar
It's pretty easy to forgive someone who's dead. I wonder if he'd feel the same way if the killer were alive and in jail.
9 posted on 01/03/2014 2:31:44 PM PST by real saxophonist (The revolution will not be televised. Everything else will.)
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To: Responsibility2nd

Ooops. I asked a moot question.

FTA..... Pierson, 18, who was also a student at Arapahoe High, killed himself after shooting Davis.

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The point is still valid though. At what point does forgivess goes from a loving and Christ-like behavior and devolves into lunacy?


10 posted on 01/03/2014 2:31:49 PM PST by Responsibility2nd (NO LIBS. This Means Liberals and (L)libertarians! Same Thing. NO LIBS!!)
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To: EveningStar

I will forgive mistakes. Unintentional wrong doing. Evil? No. I will not forgive Evil. We must begin to stand against Evil or it will eventually overtake us..


11 posted on 01/03/2014 2:39:01 PM PST by SECURE AMERICA (Where can I go to od about their hsign up for the American Revolution 2014 and the Crusades 2014?)
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To: EveningStar

At this point, what difference does it make?

What good would strangers forgiving a killer be?

The killer will be judged by Him who is the Perfect Judge.


12 posted on 01/03/2014 2:39:30 PM PST by exit82 ("The Taliban is on the inside of the building" E. Nordstrom 10-10-12)
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To: real saxophonist
Two related notes: The family asked the ARMED deputy who saved the day to be a pallbearer at her funeral.

There's a petition to issue her Diploma posthumously. I don't have a problem with that.

13 posted on 01/03/2014 2:39:55 PM PST by real saxophonist (The revolution will not be televised. Everything else will.)
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To: EveningStar

I could imagine praying that God have Mercy on the killers soul. But ME forgive the bastard in the absence of a plea by the bastard for forgiveness? Nope.


14 posted on 01/03/2014 2:43:50 PM PST by TalBlack (Evil doesn't have a day job.)
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To: EveningStar

Forgiveness is more for the forgiver than the forgiven.


15 posted on 01/03/2014 2:49:49 PM PST by Jerry Attrick
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To: EveningStar

Forgiveness is letting go of anger and hatred. Forgiveness is something you do for yourself to keep you from becoming an angry hate filled and possibly violent person. Forgiveness is not a one time thing you do it over and over again when ever you need to, because it is not easy to forget the pain, sorrow and grieve that one has experienced, but by forgiving one can walk in peace and faith. And if the culprit (in this case murdering sob) was still alive, one could forgive him, but still pray he was found guilty and received the death sentence. Just because you forgive doesn’t mean you don’t want justice. In this case the culprit skipped the trial and killed himself. Her parents are right to be an example of forgiveness. If this murderous young man had been forgiving of the offending teacher and not raging against their discourse and he might not have killed this young woman and then himself while searching for the object of his rage, the teacher. He may have tolerated responding with seething rage. God Bless her parents may they find comfort and peace in their forgiving.


16 posted on 01/03/2014 2:50:38 PM PST by This I Wonder32460
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To: real saxophonist

Has this been done for fallen soldiers, is there a precedent? If the young lady was due to graduate this winter, then, perhaps so. At 17, she was likely a Junior or Senior. I graduated at 17, so it does happen.


17 posted on 01/03/2014 2:51:41 PM PST by lee martell
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To: real saxophonist

Our only son was killed by a drunk driver that was his own age.
It was not an intentional act, just poor judgement.
We forgave him and asked the judge for leniency at his trial so that two lives were not lost by the mistake.
We live with his loss every day, but harboring hate in your heart will only make it worse.

Read Matthew 6:14 & 15 and then make your own call on what you feel a Christian needs to do.

God bless


18 posted on 01/03/2014 2:59:48 PM PST by Nonsense Unlimited
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To: EveningStar

Stockholm syndrome. All of America - the European part particularly - is suffering from this malady. The need to find some kind of personal peace by feeling you are above it all by forgiving an evil, maniacal monster who took such a beautiful, young life.

If it gives him peace, so be it.

But I wasn’t harmed directly by this and I don’t forgive him. Personally I am sick to death of these maniacal fiends who appear out of nowhere and commit such random crazy acts, ruining promising young lives, destroying lives and providing that maniac in the White House with ammunition to further abridge our rights.

I hope they all burn in hell, I hope we are more successful in intercepting them in the future, and I hope they are blasted to Hades by the Cops before they can cost society a fortune in a trial and lifetime jail sentence with all the amenities so many law-abiding Americans can’t afford to enjoy.


19 posted on 01/03/2014 3:00:23 PM PST by ZULU (Impeach that Bastard Barrack Hussein Obama the Doctor Mengele of Medical Care)
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To: lee martell

If this girl had been killed in a car crash ,would a diploma be issued posthumously ?

I think her name and picture on a memorial page along with any other classmates who died before graduation might be appropriate.

I think we are going too far sometimes as in all the roadside crosses .Should we also put a plaque in every room ,sidewalk,etc.?

Maybe we should.What do others think?


20 posted on 01/03/2014 3:05:46 PM PST by hoosierham (Freedom isn't free)
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To: EveningStar
With all due respect you Sir are full of sh*t...

Its beyond my value system to tell a father grieving for his lost daughter that he is full of crap.

You Sir are the type of idiot that makes Conservatism such a hard sell for many..simply because the majority in the Country are smarter than dirt..a feat which you fail to emulate..

21 posted on 01/03/2014 3:11:36 PM PST by montanajoe
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To: albie

Because the killer hasn’t asked for forgiveness, that’s why.


22 posted on 01/03/2014 3:15:40 PM PST by Lurker (Violence is rarely the answer. But when it is it is the only answer.)
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To: real saxophonist
The family asked the ARMED deputy who saved the day to be a pallbearer at her funeral

hadn't heard that. Class act. God bless them.

23 posted on 01/03/2014 3:22:13 PM PST by ZinGirl (kids in college....can't afford a tagline right now)
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To: Nonsense Unlimited

May God bless you. You should change your screen name. I can’t imagine the strength you exhibited.


24 posted on 01/03/2014 3:25:59 PM PST by outofsalt (If history teaches us anything it's that history rarely teaches us anything.)
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To: Responsibility2nd
Granting forgiveness does not exclude the sinner from punishment.

For some it is a way to try to move on.

Very hard and I doubt I would be able to do it, but I will not demean him for doing so.

25 posted on 01/03/2014 3:30:40 PM PST by mware
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To: hoosierham

The Memorial would be adequate and most likely sincere in portrayal. I agree, we (we, meaning those outside the family) can get too carried away with the incident of untimely death. It’s not fair, but it’s still going to happen. This reminds me an expectant mother insisting on an unnecessary induced labor to be performed so that her dying husband can ‘meet’ his child before death. That’s sweet, but kind of pushing the boundaries of health and safety. Besides, if they are Christian, he will ‘meet’ his whole family eventually when they are done here.


26 posted on 01/03/2014 3:58:01 PM PST by lee martell
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To: Nonsense Unlimited

I’m very, very sorry about the loss of your son and I admire you for your strength to forgive.

Thank you for posting.

As Christians, we have no choice but to forgive - or at least try to forgive - because Christ ordered us to do so.

Seventy times seven.


27 posted on 01/03/2014 4:09:54 PM PST by pax_et_bonum (Never Forget the Seals of Extortion 17 - and God Bless Americaa)
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To: DoughtyOne; EveningStar
He may be trying to be a good Christian, but his daughter deserves better than this.

The killer is dead, his daughter is dead. The killer is beyond forgiveness, her father is avoiding unrequited hate and it is the Christian thing to do. His daughter no longer cares and from what I understand, is in the arms of her Savior.

28 posted on 01/03/2014 4:17:21 PM PST by xone
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To: EveningStar

Huh????????????????


29 posted on 01/03/2014 4:19:08 PM PST by Doc Savage ("I've shot people I like a lot more,...for a lot less!" Raylan Givins)
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To: hoosierham

I think we are going too far sometimes as in all the roadside crosses .Should we also put a plaque in every room ,sidewalk,etc.?

Maybe we should.What do others think?

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I think that every grieving family who wants a roadside cross or plaque should have the freedom to have as many as they like.

Behind every one of these memorials is a family who would give just about anything to have their loved one back. When I see those sad crosses, I pray for those loved ones.

We are fortunate enough to have inherited a Judeo-Christian culture which respects life, and so we honor our dead and console ourselves a little by hallowing the places where they died with a white cross or placing a memorial plaque in a building where they once spent time.

There is nothing wrong about these memorials; indeed, they are a tribute to love which continues even after death.


30 posted on 01/03/2014 4:24:03 PM PST by pax_et_bonum (Never Forget the Seals of Extortion 17 - and God Bless Americaa)
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To: xone

Look, I appreciate the point you’re making. I can’t buy in.

You need to grieve for a while before coming to the point you forgive the person who has done something like this.

If you can say you forgive this person in almost no time at all, it’s a massive insult to your relative.

If someone does something to you, then fine. Forgive when you like. I still think it’s best to allow the reality to sink in before you wax rhapsodic about total forgiveness.

The offender needs to come to grips with what he has done. What’s the rush to short-circuit that process?


31 posted on 01/03/2014 4:33:30 PM PST by DoughtyOne (ZERO is still zero!)
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To: montanajoe

I’m sorry, but I just couldn’t be forgiving. It makes me angry.


32 posted on 01/03/2014 4:38:33 PM PST by EveningStar
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To: EveningStar

This reminds me of Dennis Prager’s thoughtful piece on the subject of forgiveness, under the title “The Sin of Forgivenss.”

http://metaphysicalperegrine.blogspot.com/2009/02/sin-of-forgiveness.html


33 posted on 01/03/2014 4:42:55 PM PST by crusher (Political Correctness: Stalinism Without the Charm)
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To: montanajoe

Look. I said what I thought, but I realize that I shouldn’t have said it at all. Unfortunately, I can’t undo it.


34 posted on 01/03/2014 4:49:39 PM PST by EveningStar
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To: EveningStar

the foregiving is not for the murdering scum, it is for mr. davis so his and his wife’s life isn’t completely destroyed as his daughter’s was. he has that right. anybody else who forgives this twisted evil bastard does not.


35 posted on 01/03/2014 4:51:14 PM PST by bravo whiskey (We should not fear our government. Our government should fear us.)
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To: EveningStar

There is forgiveness on a personal level. That’s fine.

The state though is a different matter. The state must seek justice.


36 posted on 01/03/2014 4:57:28 PM PST by wintertime
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To: DoughtyOne

Also, I don’t recall anywhere in the scriptures where Christ said that the State should not seek justice.


37 posted on 01/03/2014 5:00:06 PM PST by wintertime
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To: DoughtyOne

The offender is already dead. The man had his daughter killed. There is no target for his hate, the smart thing is to not let the murderer take his life as well.


38 posted on 01/03/2014 6:23:03 PM PST by xone
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To: pax_et_bonum

I was speaking with a devout Jew on FR a few months ago during the time leading up to Yom Kippur about issues of forgiveness. It got me thinking a lot about someone I have not forgiven because there is no way to hold them accountable and grieve.

It seems that when you wrong someone, Jewish people try three times to ask for forgiveness... and if the person you are asking for forgiveness does not grant it... that’s it, you did your best and you move past it...

I think I am on the 70x7 plan... it hurts... because I need some closure in the situation and the self blame is awful.


39 posted on 01/03/2014 6:25:06 PM PST by Rodamala
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To: EveningStar
I would not forgive.

When God forgives, it does something good for the forgiven.

When humans forgive, it does something good for the forgiver. One can either forgive and reduce the acid that eats at their soul, or one can stand firm and live in mental and spiritual anguish.

40 posted on 01/04/2014 3:23:00 AM PST by trebb (Where in the the hell has my country gone?)
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To: MeganC

Forgiveness is meaningless when the killer is dead. You have no idea whether you would forgive them if they were alive.


41 posted on 01/04/2014 3:27:28 AM PST by AppyPappy (Obama: What did I not know and when did I not know it?)
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