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Two New Executive Orders Will Change Who Can Buy Guns
Mashable ^ | January 3, 2014 | Colin Daileda

Posted on 01/03/2014 2:57:42 PM PST by lbryce

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To: Gen.Blather

Your loyal words will make John Boehner and Mitch McConnell very proud to be the leaders of the Congressional RINO Establishment.


51 posted on 01/03/2014 8:40:19 PM PST by Graewoulf (Democrats' Obamacare Socialist Health Insur. Tax violates U.S. Constitution AND Anti-Trust Law.)
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To: oldfart
"America is at that awkward stage. It's too late to work within the system, but too early to shoot the bastards." – Claire Wolfe

but the time is soon at hand...

52 posted on 01/03/2014 8:57:25 PM PST by Chode (Stand UP and Be Counted, or line up and be numbered - *DTOM* -vvv- NO Pity for the LAZY - 86-44)
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To: Lazamataz

Agreed. The NRA reacted to Sandy Hook by pointing to better handling mental illness, and that Adam Lanza was apparently very very sick young man. If their political stance is to mean anything we as a society have to get better at stopping these sick monsters.

OTOH I’d prefer it if Congress were doing something like passing a real law instead of letting President Executive Order whip out his own version.


53 posted on 01/03/2014 9:07:00 PM PST by sgtyork (Socialism is a philosophy of failure, the creed of ignorance, and the gospel of envy)
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To: forgotten man
If you like your communist dictator, you can keep your communist dictator.

Period

54 posted on 01/03/2014 9:13:19 PM PST by Rome2000 (THE WASHINGTONIANS AND UNIVERSAL SUFFRAGE ARE THE ENEMY -ROTATE THE CAPITAL AMONGST THE STATES)
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To: lbryce; All

These EO’s, these restrictions appear to be open ended...

Lets say a person is hospitalized nd given drugs which treat a condition yet create symptoms of dependency, however severe, or slight, and that person openly goes to their doctor for treatment to get their lives back to normal...If that is to be classified as an addiction, or mental disorder, at the conclusion of such treatment will they be allowed, if the time required is long enough to be reported to a state agency, that their Second amendment right to keep and bear arms will be FULLY restored at the successful completion of said treatment???

Otherwise some people who might otherwise be open to getting the problem resolved may not seek treatment in the first place if they stand to lose, or be restricted from continuing their right to keep and bear arms when their problem is medically resolved...

Just something I wanted to throw out there for genereal consumption...


55 posted on 01/03/2014 11:42:51 PM PST by stevie_d_64 (It's not the color of one's skin that offends people...it's how thin it is.)
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To: Graewoulf

“Your loyal words will make John Boehner and Mitch McConnell very proud to be the leaders of the Congressional RINO Establishment.”

I read the statement above and went back and re-read my post to see if perhaps you meant to send it to someone else. I loathe Boehner and McConnell and the use of “loyal” confused me. So many people want Obama impeached without regard as to whether the tactic might backfire, as it did with Clinton, or simply fail thus using up precious political capital that could be used for other purposes. Impeachment with the Senate’s present or likely demographics is the equivalent of a suicide charge against a well-entrenched and well-manned position. There are better and more effective ways to use your troops. Otto Von Bismarck allegedly said that “politics is the art of the possible.” Principled Republicans voted with Democrats to impeach Nixon. Without their votes that wouldn’t have happened. But what five to twenty “principled” Democrats would vote to impeach Obama and remove him from office? (Sixty-seven votes required of which many Republicans would abstain or vote no.) It is alleged that Daniel Patrick Moynihan was the last principled Democrat. That may be, but the quote I remember from him was, “Politics is all about who gets how much and when.” In short there’s no such thing as a principled Democrat. They are all communists down to their bones. The only way they’d vote for impeachment is to save their own skins.

Even if Republicans win all sixteen Democratic Senate seats in play in 2014 and lose none of their own an impeachment or even overriding a presidential veto is unlikely. But there are numerous other tactics that can be used to nullify the man. We need to concentrate on taking state houses and building a base for 2016. And, in 2016 the GOP will again attempt to force a McCain or Romney on us. If the principled Republicans we do have use up all of their political capital forcing a doomed issue then they won’t be available to influence the GOP to back somebody we’d actually want to vote for.


56 posted on 01/04/2014 4:56:27 AM PST by Gen.Blather
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To: lbryce
From the whitehouse.gov statement:
Some states have also said that the Health Insurance Portability and Accountability Act’s (HIPAA) privacy provisions may be preventing them from making relevant information available to the background check system regarding individuals prohibited from purchasing a firearm for mental health reasons. In April 2013, HHS began to identify the scope and extent of the problem, and based on public comments is now issuing a proposed rule to eliminate this barrier by giving certain HIPAA covered entities an express permission to submit to the background check system the limited information necessary to help keep guns out of potentially dangerous hands. The proposed rule will not change the fact that seeking help for mental health problems or getting treatment does not make someone legally prohibited from having a firearm. Furthermore, nothing in the proposed rule would require reporting on general mental health visits or other routine mental health care, or would exempt providers solely performing these treatment services from existing privacy rules.
In today's legal liability climate, any reporting which is not PROHIBITED will be MANDATORY. If somebody is involved in a shooting, and a doctor failed to report that he was treating the patient for depression or stress if he was permitted to do so, then the doctor WILL be sued.

Thus, in self-defense, the doctor's malpractice insurance company will issue guidelines MANDATING reporting every permitted bit of information. Docs will be given NO discretion.

57 posted on 01/04/2014 5:08:26 AM PST by PapaBear3625 (You don't notice it's a police state until the police come for you.)
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To: Gen.Blather; Graewoulf

Ditto GB’s words. I appreciate your enthusiasm and sincerity, but being grounded in reality is what generates victories. We’re not going to turn things around in one fell swoop. It will take a generation of thoughtful, effective leadership and legislation to cut the various Gordian Knots tying America to her socialist, big government programs.


58 posted on 01/04/2014 9:36:01 AM PST by 1010RD (First, Do No Harm)
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To: lbryce

If the GOP will not impeach this ass, they all should be shot for treason.


59 posted on 01/04/2014 9:47:04 AM PST by right way right (What's it gonna take? (guillotines?))
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60 posted on 01/04/2014 9:52:46 AM PST by musicman (Until I see the REAL Long Form Vault BC, he's just "PRES__ENT" Obama = Without "ID")
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To: lbryce
The White House issued two executive actions on Friday that aim to beef up background checks for would-be gun buyers and keep the weapons away from those at risk of harming themselves or others.

The continued abuse of the executive order by using it to implement law as an end-run around Congress instead as the means to order changes in procedure or policy within the Executive Branch. Barry's not the first to misuse the executive order, but he's the most brazen. The only ones who can stop this, Congress and the courts, are loath to do it, citing separation of powers, but really, given the current occupant of the White House, because they are afraid of being called racists.
61 posted on 01/04/2014 10:05:00 AM PST by aruanan
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To: right way right

Don’t kid yourself, My FRiend, the GOP are complicit in this.


62 posted on 01/04/2014 10:16:54 AM PST by sport
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To: lbryce
Too many Americans have been severely injured or lost their lives as a result of gun violence," the order reads.

Too many? Meaning "more than you think is acceptable" Barry, you lexical slob? I think the number of Americans being severely injured in terms of jobs and health insurance as a result of Obamacare is probably at least an order of magnitude greater than those injured or killed through the felonious use of firearms.

Most counties in the United States have only a few murders each year, if that. Most of the murders occur in a relatively small number of counties, the majority of them dominated by Democrat political machines, the majority of the murders being tied in one way or another to the illegal drug trade, created and maintained by the federal government.

The administration's own estimates are that over 100 million will lose their health insurance they were promised they could keep. Period. So where's the executive order limiting access to Obamacare, Barry? Where's your executive order limiting the Democrat Party's access to government, Barry, and to the horrendous damage they do to the nation through it?

In your executive order about access to guns, you were worried about mentally ill people, but the economically and politically insane, also congenital liars, were the ones that wrote and passed and altered at will and defended Obamacare.
63 posted on 01/04/2014 10:23:53 AM PST by aruanan
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To: sport

I know they are complicit, that is why they deserve the punishment for treason.
This is the reason the second amendment is in the Constitution.


64 posted on 01/04/2014 11:54:29 AM PST by right way right (What's it gonna take? (guillotines?))
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To: umgud

“Common-sense”. . .I am really tired of hearing the left bleat this phrase, like no contrary position is allowed, after all, if you are against “common-sense” solutions this means you are a full of nonsense and a loony needing to be locked up.

You know, locked up because you are nuts and therefore can’t own a firearm.

Common-sense my a$$!

Their solutions are anything but sensical nor common.


65 posted on 01/04/2014 1:27:04 PM PST by Hulka
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To: right way right

The Second Amendment is “in the Constitution” to afford “punishment” to those accused and or convicted of treason???

Is that what you are trying to say???


66 posted on 01/04/2014 1:27:59 PM PST by stevie_d_64 (It's not the color of one's skin that offends people...it's how thin it is.)
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To: right way right

Correct!


67 posted on 01/04/2014 1:41:59 PM PST by sport
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To: stevie_d_64

No. It’s not about punishment.
It’s about reigning in the abuse of power by tyrannical rule.

The GOP needs to wake up or get lost.


68 posted on 01/04/2014 1:43:07 PM PST by right way right (What's it gonna take? (guillotines?))
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To: servo1969

Raise your voice just a little bit in public and they’ll start screaming “Rage-aholic!”. The police will come and arrest you. It will become a part of your state record which will then, according to this new EO, will be passed on to the state.


69 posted on 01/04/2014 2:15:42 PM PST by VerySadAmerican (".....Barrack, and the horse Mohammed rode in on.")
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To: right way right

In Post #64 you stated:

“I know they are complicit, that is why they deserve the punishment for treason.

This is the reason the second amendment is in the Constitution.”

Thats why I was curious and needed clarification on what you posted...

Now, before you get angry, let me advise you that I can dig it if you are not happy with the GOP’s efforts to protect our basic unalienable right to keep and bear arms as per the Second Amendment...

You probably feel threatened by the potential loss of your personal property and the means to protect yourself, not only from a criminal element, but from that tyrranical government (rule)...That’s fine, like I said, I can identify with that...

I am not excusing the GOP’s lack of intestinal fortitude on these basic issues, but I fail to see a reason why they need to wake up??? Their track record on a great variety of things we are passionate about has been lackluster for many reasons...

So what is the alternative??? I know you will not vote for a democrat, even if they might be A+ rated by the NRA...

If you are venting some frustration, thats cool...I’ve been there as well...Its just never condusive to do so in such a public forum making yourself an easy target for additional scrutiny from the very forces you are concerned about...

Just a suggestion...;-)


70 posted on 01/04/2014 5:10:04 PM PST by stevie_d_64 (It's not the color of one's skin that offends people...it's how thin it is.)
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To: stevie_d_64
It is frustration but I am not the only one.

Between the lines in what I am reading here from you is that I need to conform and get in line, with the GOP that I don't trust anymore, and history shows that this attitude of getting in line has only resulted in more power over our freedom and an erosion of our liberty. It has gotten the point where they appear very involved in that erosion.

I'm one of many who has been taken for granted by the GOP but
Did vote for McSpam and for whats his name, the morman guy.

Those guys failed and the Congress has failed us too. I need tone down a bit for the sake of my wife though. Shes getting ticked at me because I can't watch the news or talk to someone without getting animated by my passion and jacking up my blood pressure. Perhaps you have not been personally effected by the changes in this country? I'm not mad at you and I hope.my shrillness is more understood now. This is just more clarification for you and a chance for more free expression while are still allowed to have it.

71 posted on 01/04/2014 6:16:08 PM PST by right way right (What's it gonna take? (guillotines?))
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To: ZULU

No, but that doesn’t stop them. They do this because nobody stops them.


72 posted on 01/04/2014 6:18:09 PM PST by dforest
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To: right way right

Absolutely not...Conformity with a failed political agenda is not an option, nor did I intend to imply that...

As long as people are honest with themselves about how they were fooled, and know they are not alone...

That is more than half the battle...that’s what I was looking to see from you...Third party, libertarian, whatever...Those paths are harder to wrap around in my opinion...And staying with a sinking ship, unless some big turnaround is made locally, state and nationally this election cycle...We will not see a big turnaround in the representation...

I have made a challenge to some people that they do their best to stay away from cable news, and other shrill-type information sources, and let their eyes and fingers do the walking in a few news sources linked in some of the information we have seen posted here and other conservative discussion websites...I believe you learn more, and make up your mind better with information coming from places like this than even FoxNews, regardless of their ratings...

If you wat straight news, no opinion, or other analysis, then FoxNews can give you that, but I am making a committment to stay away till at least after most of the primary season coming up...

Give it a try...You Blood Pressure, and other angst might be curbed and your wife may appreciate your opinion better if it doesn’t sound like it came straight from them anyway...

Look at it this way...At the end of the day...What do (and will you) you still have in your posession???

If anyone or anything starts maing that difficult, you will have plenty of time to make adjustments and cover your tracks...they do not have nearly enough people to track down every single one of us...


73 posted on 01/04/2014 7:51:22 PM PST by stevie_d_64 (It's not the color of one's skin that offends people...it's how thin it is.)
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To: 1010RD; Gen.Blather

” - - - It will take a generation of thoughtful, effective leadership and legislation to cut the various Gordian Knots tying America to her socialist, big government programs. - - - “

Thanks for making my point: The RINO Establishment has been, is now, and forever will be a spineless relic that is incapable of protecting the US Constitution.

Commie Obama came in 1-2009, and by 12-24-2009 he had Nationalized one sixth of the US Economy.

Now, four months later, loyal RINO Establishment stalwarts such as y’all want to take “a generation” (20-25 years) to undo what Commie Obama did in eleven months.

What does it take for you Loyalist RINOs to draw a line in the sand?

As for concern about “loss of political capital” and other Leftstream Media manipulating tactics, when in the next 20 to 25 years would be a good time for y’all to consider to begin to commence thinking about draining the swamp full of Leftstream Media “alligators?”

There are more of us than there are of them, so grow a pair and FIGHT!

If you reply, remember this: Commie Obama is counting on never being held accountable for his violations of the US Constitution.

BTW, Boehner and McConnell have done their best to not hold Commie Obama accountable for 4 years.

Thus, support for the RINO Establishment is to continue to endorse the Boehner-McConnell protection from accountability plan for Commie Obama.


74 posted on 01/04/2014 9:09:56 PM PST by Graewoulf (Democrats' Obamacare Socialist Health Insur. Tax violates U.S. Constitution AND Anti-Trust Law.)
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To: Graewoulf

Correction: line 4 : four months should be four years.


75 posted on 01/04/2014 9:11:33 PM PST by Graewoulf (Democrats' Obamacare Socialist Health Insur. Tax violates U.S. Constitution AND Anti-Trust Law.)
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To: Carry me back
“Nobody cares about these orders. Carry on.”
_________________________________________________

You do NOT have to follow an order of any tyrant. We are the freedom fighters of our time. Delay, refuse, obstruct, destroy any and all attempts by this enemey to destroy our Constitution, our Freedom and Liberty, in any way you can.

76 posted on 01/04/2014 11:32:40 PM PST by itssme
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To: lbryce

Pass all the E.O’s you want. Now enforce them.

Friggin traitor.


77 posted on 01/05/2014 1:44:35 PM PST by unixfox (Abolish Slavery, Repeal the 16th Amendment)
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To: lbryce

Impeach Obama - Keep the American Dream Sign in my front Yard.


78 posted on 01/05/2014 3:00:23 PM PST by hondact200 (Candor dat viribos alas (sincerity gives wings to strength) and Nil desperandum (never despair))
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To: hondact200

Another illegal foray into dictatorship


79 posted on 01/05/2014 3:02:04 PM PST by GeronL (Extra Large Cheesy Over-Stuffed Hobbit)
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To: lbryce
"Too many Americans have been severely injured or lost their lives as a result of gun violence," the order reads. "While the vast majority of Americans who experience a mental illness are not violent, in some cases when persons with a mental illness do not receive the treatment they need, the result can be tragedies such as homicide or suicide."

"Too many Americans have been affected by lying pieces of dog squeezins who are pretending to be President of the United States."

Maybe Retard Boy will accidentally sign an Executive Ordure banning himself...

"American peasants: If you like your Second Amendment, you can keep it..."

80 posted on 01/05/2014 10:12:46 PM PST by kiryandil (turning Americans into felons, one obnoxious drunk at a time (Zero Tolerance!!!))
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To: Red in Blue PA
I'll have to make a mental note to put this on my Bucket List:

Relieve self on Johnson's resting place.

81 posted on 01/05/2014 10:15:36 PM PST by kiryandil (turning Americans into felons, one obnoxious drunk at a time (Zero Tolerance!!!))
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To: lbryce

The jaws are closing on gun ownership. The “mental health” community is part of the problem.

The new DSM-5 (diagnostic and statistical manual) has defined quite a few ordinary conditions as “mental health” problems, requiring medication. Of course, this means more money for BigPharma, but now, apparently, it also means fewer people are “eligible” for gun ownership.

Did I mention that most of the people on the DSM=5 committee are also consultants to BigPharma?

Corruption everywhere. Is anyone paying them to oppose gun ownership? I really don’t know, but you might.


82 posted on 01/06/2014 11:50:49 AM PST by Veto! (Opinions freely dispensed as advice)
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To: lbryce
The second executive action concerns privacy laws associated with the Health Insurance Portability and Accountability Act. States have complained that individual privacy protections have made it difficult for them to report relevant mental health information to their respective background check systems, which they fear could lead to guns falling into dangerous hands. The proposed change would allow states to relay "limited" tidbits of information that they feel should be included in background checks.

So, if one's doctor is anti-gun and he either knows or suspects one has a gun - all he has to do is send some "limited" (cough, cough) information to the State that would disqualify one from purchasing a gun.

Nope, no chance of fraud or abuse there! (/sarc)

83 posted on 01/06/2014 11:53:50 AM PST by usconservative (When The Ballot Box No Longer Counts, The Ammunition Box Does. (What's In Your Ammo Box?))
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To: 1010RD
.....hold onto their base ....

Which is well (and for the most part) illegally armed.

84 posted on 01/07/2014 4:13:34 PM PST by Kenny Bunk (This GOP is dead. What do we do now?)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

I think I saw a documentary that included a piece about “The Liberator”. As I recall, and the article implies, the weapon was a tool to be used to arm yourself with the enemies weapons. I also recall this was necessary because a weapon without ammo is a club or projectile. And getting ammo to the resistance would have been tougher than getting them these tiny guns.


85 posted on 01/07/2014 10:40:29 PM PST by Tenacious 1 (Liberals can afford for things to go well, to work, for folks to be happy. They'd be out of work.)
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To: itssme

Absolutely, always stand for freedom !


86 posted on 01/08/2014 10:52:36 AM PST by Carry me back
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