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Secret court approves three more months of NSA phone snooping
washingtontimes.com ^ | 1/3/14 | Stephen Dinan

Posted on 01/03/2014 4:05:22 PM PST by ColdOne

The secret court that oversees the nation’s intelligence activities renewed its approval of the National Security Agency’s telephone-records program on Friday, granting the government a new three-month window to collect data on all Americans’ phone calls.

Director of National Intelligence James Clapper’s office announced the court’s ruling in a statement, though officials didn’t make the ruling itself public, saying it was going through declassification procedures.

The decision marks the 36th time the program has been approved by the secret Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Court.

“It is the administration’s view, consistent with the recent holdings of the United States District Courts for the Southern District of New York and Southern District of California, as well as the findings of 15 judges of the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Court on 36 separate occasions over the past seven years, that the telephony metadata collection program is lawful,” Shawn Turner, spokesman for Mr. Clapper, said.

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TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Front Page News; Government; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: clapper; fisa; lie2america; lie2congress; lielielie; nojustice; nsa; policestate; snooping; spying; surveillance
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1 posted on 01/03/2014 4:05:23 PM PST by ColdOne
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To: ColdOne

Clapper lied to Congress and that is a crime.

Why is he not punished?


2 posted on 01/03/2014 4:07:38 PM PST by gaijin
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To: ColdOne

Why are the ones who IGNORED the Russians’ warning
before Boston Atrocity still there?


3 posted on 01/03/2014 4:08:03 PM PST by Diogenesis
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To: ColdOne
The solution is simple...all we have to do is REDACTED REDACTED to the REDACTED while REDACTED REDACTED REDACTED and then REDACTED REDACTED REDACTED. Who's in?
4 posted on 01/03/2014 4:09:21 PM PST by gorush (History repeats itself because human nature is static)
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To: gorush

You can count me Redacted!


5 posted on 01/03/2014 4:10:14 PM PST by DoughtyOne (ZERO is still zero!)
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To: ColdOne

The American public are the new Nazi U-boats communicating with Berlin.


6 posted on 01/03/2014 4:17:18 PM PST by SpaceBar
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To: ColdOne

What is this secret court?


7 posted on 01/03/2014 4:18:46 PM PST by freekitty (Give me back my conservative vote; then find me a real conservative to vote for)
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To: gaijin
Clapper lied to Congress and that is a crime.

Why is he not punished?

Which milquetoast in congress is going to demand that Obama's DOJ file charges against him?

8 posted on 01/03/2014 4:24:26 PM PST by TADSLOS (The Event Horizon has come and gone. Buckle up and hang on.)
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To: freekitty

FISA court.


9 posted on 01/03/2014 4:26:35 PM PST by TADSLOS (The Event Horizon has come and gone. Buckle up and hang on.)
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To: ColdOne

10 posted on 01/03/2014 4:27:44 PM PST by Jack Hydrazine (Pubbies = national collectivists; Dems = international collectivists; me = independent conservative)
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To: ColdOne

Far less effort and resources were used to analyze Japanese radio traffic in the Pacific theater than is being expended on today’s domestic surveillance. Something to ponder.


11 posted on 01/03/2014 4:30:10 PM PST by SpaceBar
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To: freekitty
Notice any parallels?

The Star Chamber (Latin: Camera stellata) was an English court of law that sat at the royal Palace of Westminster from the late 15th century until 1641. It was made up of Privy Councillors, as well as common-law judges and supplemented the activities of the common-law and equity courts in both civil and criminal matters. The court was set up to ensure the fair enforcement of laws against prominent people, those so powerful that ordinary courts would never convict them of their crimes.

Court sessions were held in secret, with no indictments, and no witnesses. Evidence was presented in writing. Over time it evolved into a political weapon, a symbol of the misuse and abuse of power by the English monarchy and courts.

12 posted on 01/03/2014 4:30:11 PM PST by BilLies ("Will none rid me of this lying bastard ?")
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To: freekitty

13 posted on 01/03/2014 4:32:04 PM PST by Wyrd bi ful ard (Gone Galt, 11/07/12----No king but Christ! Don't tread on me!)
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To: ColdOne

Approved more “phone (foreign contact) snooping”?!

How COULD they . . . . don’t they KNOW that terrorists NO LONGER have the U. S. and the whole Western World targeted for mass killing through, yes, weapons of mass destruction that dwarf the aircraft missiles utilized the Twin Tower slaughter??

It should be apparent to every THINKING PERSON THAT we are most safe here, we have NOTHING MORE to fear from terrorists (including, yes, those with nuclear weapons such as Russia and Korea).

We should at once DIS-BAND not only the NSA but the CIA and every National Security office and reduce our Armed Forces only to the personnel level of providing sweet music on holidays and Presidential parties. Hells bells, people, it’s only Common Sense!!!


14 posted on 01/03/2014 4:36:29 PM PST by mtntop3
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To: ColdOne

I see the plan now - this will buy them enough time to mount a propaganda campaign that will scare Americans into endorsing this permanently.


15 posted on 01/03/2014 4:38:08 PM PST by oblomov
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To: ColdOne
The decision marks the 36th time the program has been approved by the secret Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Court.

A secret rubber stamp bench of unknown unaccountable government insiders giving other secret unaccountable government insiders the right to poach on people's private lives. And they wonder why 70 % of the populace has no use for the government.

16 posted on 01/03/2014 4:42:12 PM PST by hinckley buzzard
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To: mtntop3

If you want the government to have the power to spy on American citizens, then amend the f***ing Constitution.

Otherwise, the government officials who perpetuate this are all criminals. They are the domestic enemies that Madison, Mason, and Jefferson warned us about.


17 posted on 01/03/2014 4:43:12 PM PST by oblomov
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To: ColdOne

The spying will never stop no matter what some court rules.


18 posted on 01/03/2014 4:43:32 PM PST by uncitizen (Obama said 'period', but he meant 'asterisk'.)
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To: ColdOne

Ain’t so secret if it’s posted here. LOL


19 posted on 01/03/2014 4:45:24 PM PST by KosmicKitty (WARNING: Hormonally crazed woman ahead!!)
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To: freekitty

That is my question. When did this country start having a secret court system? Is this even legal? Can the secret court order someone executed?


20 posted on 01/03/2014 4:57:55 PM PST by castlegreyskull
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To: ColdOne

If the ruling comports dignity then why do the rulers remain SECRET...?

“A SUPER important person requires you to shop in the nude downtown today but I can’t tell you who he is...”

Oh really...?


21 posted on 01/03/2014 5:01:56 PM PST by gaijin
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To: ColdOne

I support Snowden and now after years of being hippies in utter disdain I think now maybe I am a hippy.


22 posted on 01/03/2014 5:04:54 PM PST by gaijin
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To: gaijin

The conservative right is the new counterculture. It’s the left who drool over big government, social programs, and wealth redistribution who are the “establishment”.


23 posted on 01/03/2014 5:08:37 PM PST by SpaceBar
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To: SpaceBar

> The conservative right is the new counterculture. It’s the left who drool over big government, social programs, and wealth redistribution who are the “establishment”.

Yeah I’ve noticed that for some time. The liberals are really conservatives and vice versa. Let the Alinskyites chew on that for awhile...: )


24 posted on 01/03/2014 5:35:37 PM PST by jsanders2001
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To: BilLies

Yep.


25 posted on 01/03/2014 6:38:35 PM PST by freekitty (Give me back my conservative vote; then find me a real conservative to vote for)
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To: TADSLOS

Sounds like a kangaroo court.


26 posted on 01/03/2014 6:40:50 PM PST by freekitty (Give me back my conservative vote; then find me a real conservative to vote for)
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To: freekitty

Star Chamber.


27 posted on 01/03/2014 6:53:52 PM PST by TADSLOS (The Event Horizon has come and gone. Buckle up and hang on.)
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To: TADSLOS

That’s the first video I ever rented?


28 posted on 01/03/2014 7:30:48 PM PST by freekitty (Give me back my conservative vote; then find me a real conservative to vote for)
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To: oblomov

1) Where in the Constitution does it state that this nation cannot defend itself? (It is NOT the “f-Constitution”. Men and women in this nation have, as you must know, for centuries fought and died to preserve this Document and the nation itself.)

2) You make the standard and unsupported premise that “our governmet is “spy(ing) on American citizens.” Please be specific on how and when and where this is occuring. Give some specific examples.

3) How would YOU carry out national security in a time of world terrorism with weapons of mass destruction?

4) Do you believe terrrorists who want to kill us all should be simply allowed to proceed do so? If you do, you seem to lack the most basic of survival traits.


29 posted on 01/03/2014 8:01:55 PM PST by mtntop3
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To: mtntop3
I'll take a few thousand dead -- a few tens of thousands -- hell, a few hundreds of thousands -- over the complete ruination of everything out country stands for.

We sacrificed 400,000 souls in World War II, for what? To become that which we fought?

30 posted on 01/03/2014 8:09:40 PM PST by Lazamataz (Early 2009 to 7/21/2013 - RIP my little girl Cathy. You were the best cat ever. You will be missed.)
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To: Lazamataz

Your post speaks for itself.


31 posted on 01/03/2014 8:20:36 PM PST by mtntop3
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Thankfully, I have an unlisted phone number.


32 posted on 01/03/2014 8:21:54 PM PST by Gene Eric (Don't be a statist!)
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To: mtntop3
As does yours. You would sacrifice liberty gladly, merrily handing your captors the chains. You would squander liberty that 400,000+ men died for in World War II *alone*.

You facilitate tyranny. Small wonder you were a reporter. The ranks of journalism are thick with your kind.

33 posted on 01/03/2014 8:49:52 PM PST by Lazamataz (Early 2009 to 7/21/2013 - RIP my little girl Cathy. You were the best cat ever. You will be missed.)
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To: mtntop3

“1) Where in the Constitution does it state that this nation cannot defend itself?”

A non-sequitur...and perhaps I should have said it is the f——d Constitution. The death those who fought for it was not in vain because it preserved freedom for a time. But that time of freedom has sadly passed.

“2) Please be specific on how and when and where this is occuring. Give some specific examples.”

You must be willfully blind. Just a sampler:
1) The mining and analysis of phone records of all Americans without a search warrant.
2) Forcing major ISPs and internet media outlets to allow direct access to private data such as emails and search history and then forcing these firms to deny that this has occurred (again, no search warrant)
3) Forcing data security firms such as RSA to create back doors in their supposed encryption systems and then forcing them to deny that they have done so (violation of Fifth Amendment)
4) intercept shipments of Apple products into the US to install espionage tools on them (criminal conversion and violation of Fifth Amendment)

“3) How would YOU carry out national security in a time of world terrorism with weapons of mass destruction?”

Let’s start with:
- Strict immigration policy
- Close monitoring of all persons fitting the terrorist profile, including wiretapping enabled by warrants in a legitimate court. Yes, this does mean “racial profiling”.
- Unabashed acknowledgement that radical Islam is the enemy.
- Ceasing of all “military” operations that involve using US taxpayer funds for building roads and hospitals for the ungrateful lands that we occupy
- Ruthlessness in pursuing the enemies of the American people
- No wars for “democracy” (e.g. US military operations in Libya to support Al Qaeda) or to promote an “Arab Spring”.

In other words, defend the interests of the US and its allies without getting involved in needless conflicts.

“4) Do you believe terrrorists who want to kill us all should be simply allowed to proceed do so? If you do, you seem to lack the most basic of survival traits.”

When did you stop beating your wife?


34 posted on 01/03/2014 8:56:36 PM PST by oblomov
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To: ColdOne
We're all living in Amerika, Amerika ist wunderbar...
35 posted on 01/03/2014 9:03:59 PM PST by Chode (Stand UP and Be Counted, or line up and be numbered - *DTOM* -vvv- NO Pity for the LAZY - 86-44)
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“3) How would YOU carry out national security in a time of world terrorism with weapons of mass destruction?”

Nuke Mecca, Medina, Qom, Riyadh, and Tehran. That’s how.

No worries for another 500 years or so.

F*** this “secret court” BS.


36 posted on 01/03/2014 9:14:39 PM PST by Lurker (Violence is rarely the answer. But when it is it is the only answer.)
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To: Lazamataz

Right on. I seem to remember someone once said” Is life so dear or peace so sweet”.....it ends with “Give me liberty or give me death”> That was said by one of those “Old white men” back about 237 years or so. To some of us it still means something.


37 posted on 01/04/2014 2:27:08 AM PST by snowtigger
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To: mtntop3

Move to North Korea if you want to live like that and leave us real Americans alone!


38 posted on 01/04/2014 4:28:53 AM PST by dinodino
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To: ColdOne
Secret court approves three more months of NSA phone snooping

Well... THAT sure worked well!

39 posted on 01/04/2014 4:35:39 AM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: SpaceBar
Something to ponder.

Yeah...

70 years of technology!

40 posted on 01/04/2014 4:37:29 AM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: uncitizen

Duh...


41 posted on 01/04/2014 4:38:55 AM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: castlegreyskull
Can the secret court order someone executed?

Anyone can!

(Just make sure to talk to a REAL hit man.)

42 posted on 01/04/2014 4:39:49 AM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: jsanders2001; SpaceBar
The conservative right is the new counterculture.

America's descent into normlessness.

43 posted on 01/04/2014 4:41:02 AM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: Gene Eric
Thankfully, I have an unlisted phone number.

I don't care what anyone else says; that is darned funny!

44 posted on 01/04/2014 4:43:56 AM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: Lazamataz
You would squander liberty that 400,000+ men died for in World War II *alone*.

Since this nation of Conservative Patriots has ALLOWED the killing of more than 55,000,000 pre-Americans - what's a little spying among friends?

45 posted on 01/04/2014 4:45:39 AM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: dinodino

Now you can go skiing there!


46 posted on 01/04/2014 4:46:38 AM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: Elsie

> ALLOWED the killing of more than 55,000,000 pre-Americans

A gross exaggeration of the aboriginal population (off by a factor of 10). I suggest discarding those Common Core texts you’re using as reference materials. Hint: the chapter on ancient Zimbabwean astronauts going to the moon is bogus too.


47 posted on 01/04/2014 4:59:51 AM PST by oblomov
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To: Elsie

http://www.iupui.edu/~mstd/e316/crowcreek.html

Don’t forget the native Americans killing native Americans.

55,000,000?! That be a lot of people.


48 posted on 01/04/2014 5:47:19 AM PST by BilLies ("Will none rid me of this lying bastard ?")
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To: oblomov
You missed my point?





Are you still killing your unborn?

-- GOD


 

49 posted on 01/04/2014 5:47:42 AM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: Elsie

Yes, I did. By “pre-Americans” I thought you meant aborigines, not the unborn.

I definitely agree with your point.


50 posted on 01/04/2014 6:56:52 AM PST by oblomov
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