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Hospital agrees to let Jahi McMath family take girl
SF Chronicle ^ | 03 Jan 14 | Henry Lee

Posted on 01/03/2014 4:17:39 PM PST by Drew68

Edited on 01/03/2014 4:20:22 PM PST by Admin Moderator. [history]

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To: txhurl

Prayers... yes...


101 posted on 01/03/2014 11:06:01 PM PST by antceecee (Bless us Lord, forgive us our sins and bring us to everlasting life.)
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To: exDemMom

I think the “Dem” part of your moniker is guiding you now....


102 posted on 01/03/2014 11:07:09 PM PST by antceecee (Bless us Lord, forgive us our sins and bring us to everlasting life.)
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To: Marie

Just how do you get a cadaver to eat?


103 posted on 01/04/2014 12:40:37 AM PST by Domangart (LBGT = NAMBLA)
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To: PAR35

Who cares. It only $250,000.


104 posted on 01/04/2014 12:41:58 AM PST by Domangart (LBGT = NAMBLA)
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To: ifinnegan

HIPPA does not apply to the dead.


105 posted on 01/04/2014 12:47:09 AM PST by Domangart (LBGT = NAMBLA)
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To: antceecee

Sorry. If your cousin was brain dead, then he wasn’t in a coma. He had detectable brain activity the whole time he was in a coma. This girl doesn’t. She’s dead.


106 posted on 01/04/2014 6:47:41 AM PST by Scoutmaster (I'd rather be at Philmont)
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To: Domangart

That’s only for the non-economic losses (pain and suffering and emotional distress). Economic losses can also be recovered.


107 posted on 01/04/2014 7:33:26 AM PST by PAR35
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To: antceecee
I think the “Dem” part of your moniker is guiding you now....

There is nothing conservative or compassionate in keeping a corpse ventilated so that it has the semblance of life. Maintaining the corpse ventilated in this manner only gives the family false hope, where there is no cause for hope. The child is dead, and nothing can be done to change that.

108 posted on 01/04/2014 8:08:14 AM PST by exDemMom (Current visual of the hole the US continues to dig itself into: http://www.usdebtclock.org/)
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To: antceecee

Freeping while intoxicated is a fool’s errand. Have another cocktail.


109 posted on 01/04/2014 8:38:13 AM PST by NautiNurse (Obama sends U.S. Marines to pick up his dog & basketballs. Benghazi? Nope.)
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To: PAR35

If you are a lawyer, retake the bar..


110 posted on 01/04/2014 11:32:22 AM PST by Domangart (LBGT = NAMBLA)
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To: Vermont Lt

It might, but some pseudo-diffident/irreverent Catholics (like your interlocutor) appreciate this comment, and the preceding one. Thank you for the laughs. Happy new Year to you!


111 posted on 01/04/2014 2:21:06 PM PST by definitelynotaliberal (Go, Cruz! Go!)
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To: PAR35

I guess I am looking at it from the hospital’s perspective.

I get the sense the parents are in a state of denial—not lining up for a pay date. I can appreciate their anguish. I feel horrible for them. They are grasping for a miracle that won’t happening.


112 posted on 01/04/2014 5:08:17 PM PST by Vermont Lt (If you want to keep your dignity, you can keep it. Period........ Just kidding, you can't keep it.)
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To: Marie

Thanks for the links in post 46!


113 posted on 01/04/2014 11:55:11 PM PST by Sun (Pray that God sends us good leaders. Please say a prayer now.)
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To: All

Heard of Zack Dunlop? He was declared dead, and authorities wanted his organs, but his family didn’t agree. A nurse relative tested his reflexes, and he reacted this time. Zack Dunlop later told his story on the Today Show.

Countless stories like this.


114 posted on 01/04/2014 11:56:28 PM PST by Sun (Pray that God sends us good leaders. Please say a prayer now.)
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To: goodwithagun

...”She is neither in a coma nor in a permanent vegitative state”....

I tend not to believe the mothers or families statements about their daughter.. that she is responsive in a way which is more than reflexes common when a body is kept on life support.

Also the hospital ‘agreed’ awhile back their daughters body could be removed to another facility...but even in this article the family is and was un-willinglly to name any facility that would take her so the hospital could corodinate the transfer.

As far as a lawsuit goes...the family’s been wearing t-shirts etc. just as was done with Martin’s plight....so of course there will be lawsuits and loads of news going on for weeks and weeks.

I think Lawyers are taking advantage of these peoples inability to accept their daughters death now....dragging this out is not going to bring her back but it will surely benefit the mother and father as it has to date.


115 posted on 01/05/2014 12:13:18 AM PST by caww
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To: exDemMom

My brother was on life support for a time, while his body filled up with fluids to the point he was unrecognizable.


116 posted on 01/05/2014 12:15:56 AM PST by caww
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To: Drew68

Personally I wouldn’t allow my child to remain on life support as in this case.....if Physicians stated they were braindead...and no activity that would indicate a recovery... I would trust God and unhook them.

Further I wouldn’t make it a public issue either. Nor stand before a mic giving news conferences etc. Some things are just too personal...this situation is and should have remained personal and private.


117 posted on 01/05/2014 12:20:56 AM PST by caww
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To: gas_dr

Thank you for your posts...


118 posted on 01/05/2014 12:35:52 AM PST by caww
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To: Marie

The “rights” of the parents have not been trampled....in fact it appears the hospital staff and personnel have gone out of their way, from the beginning, to assist this family well.

If a family is in denial of their child’s death there is absolutely nothing that will convince them “everything possible” has been done for their child. They will never “Know” all was done or not.....until they come out of their denial...and in this case possible they will never accept all was done for their daughter.

Further this was not an “Impossible” situation....Hope is often confused with wishful thinking. Hope means there’s evidence which supports that...wishful thinking generally is all emotional and facts are left out unless they support the wishful thinking.

This has gone way past any hope for organ donor. Organs have time limits in which they can be used. They forfeited that right when they extended this situation despite the ‘several’ physicians who examined here. How many would be enough to convince the parents is the real question...and of course there would never be enough until one would agree with them.

All realize how difficult this situation is for the parents...but their child is not there anymore.


119 posted on 01/05/2014 12:51:28 AM PST by caww
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To: antceecee

Only liberals can talk about healthy living? She was obese and had surgery to remedy a problem caused by her obesity, so yes her weight is an issue. You’re as much a loon as the other FReeper ranting about people coming back from brain death.


120 posted on 01/06/2014 4:21:54 PM PST by goodwithagun (My gun has killed fewer people's than Ted Kennedy's car.)
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To: exDemMom

This is so sad.

The poor little thing has become a pawn in a needless battle.

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121 posted on 01/06/2014 4:30:03 PM PST by Mears
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To: ifinnegan

She wasn’t brain dead. She was alive, but in a persistent vegetative state. That is why she was able to live for years after the respirator was removed.


122 posted on 01/06/2014 7:13:16 PM PST by PghBaldy (12/14 - 930am -rampage begins... 12/15 - 1030am - Obama's advance team scouts photo-op locations.)
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To: NautiNurse

Just the response I would expect from a progressive.


123 posted on 01/07/2014 2:12:41 AM PST by antceecee (Bless us Lord, forgive us our sins and bring us to everlasting life.)
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To: goodwithagun

You know nothing about this child, her health or the circumstances of her surgery, other than what you read on the internet. I guess that makes you “tag” the “loon”.


124 posted on 01/07/2014 2:13:52 AM PST by antceecee (Bless us Lord, forgive us our sins and bring us to everlasting life.)
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To: exDemMom

You have no intimate knowledge of this case, you are commenting based on internet news articles and “statements” put out by the hospital reps. Get off of the “corpse” comments... how cold is your heart?


125 posted on 01/07/2014 2:22:39 AM PST by antceecee (Bless us Lord, forgive us our sins and bring us to everlasting life.)
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To: Scoutmaster

He had no brain activity and then they put him in an induced coma to take the pressure off his brain. Today, they would have been cutting him up for his organs.


126 posted on 01/07/2014 2:24:09 AM PST by antceecee (Bless us Lord, forgive us our sins and bring us to everlasting life.)
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To: antceecee
You have no intimate knowledge of this case, you are commenting based on internet news articles and “statements” put out by the hospital reps. Get off of the “corpse” comments... how cold is your heart?

Several physicians have examined her and performed the rigorous, several component protocol for determining brain death. Even the independent physicians hired by the family came to the same conclusion, that she is brain dead. I trust their judgment--after all, they have been trained and have experience with this.

Brain death is not a coma--the brain is literally dead and decomposing. By now, what remains inside the skull probably has little resemblance to a brain. When the brain died, everything that was Jahi died. What is on the ventilator *is* a corpse. All that has been achieved by keeping the body ventilated is that the decay process has been slowed down--not stopped, but slowed. Death is not reversible.

As a woman with a lot of compassion and warm heart, I am utterly appalled by this situation. I see a family in deep denial who has been horribly misserved by the justice system. When the judge ruled that the body can stay indefinitely on a ventilator and that the family can even remove it from the hospital, this case entered horror movie territory. At this point, I am not sure that the denial will end when the heart stops beating. This family needs counseling, not some condescending judge who is afraid to put his foot down to stop a horrific situation.

127 posted on 01/07/2014 4:02:04 AM PST by exDemMom (Current visual of the hole the US continues to dig itself into: http://www.usdebtclock.org/)
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To: Mears
The poor little thing has become a pawn in a needless battle.

On the bright side, little Jahi is completely unaware of the abuse of her body. Unless she is watching from heaven.

This situation is so utterly horrific, and did not need to occur.

128 posted on 01/07/2014 4:04:42 AM PST by exDemMom (Current visual of the hole the US continues to dig itself into: http://www.usdebtclock.org/)
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To: antceecee

You also know nothing about this child, her health, and her circumstances other than what you’ve read on the Internet.

My obesity post was based on her picture, which the family submitted to the media, and my own research on her surgery that the family and hospital admit she had.

Will your next response be the old I’m rubber and you’re glue taunt? That’s about the level at which you communicate here.


129 posted on 01/07/2014 4:11:56 AM PST by goodwithagun (My gun has killed fewer people's than Ted Kennedy's car.)
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