Free Republic
Browse · Search
News/Activism
Topics · Post Article

Skip to comments.

90% of shooting rampages could be stopped by quick-thinking civilians: expert
Washington Times ^ | January 3, 2014 | David Sherfinski

Posted on 01/03/2014 9:54:48 PM PST by neverdem

Mass shootings like the ones that have occurred in recent years in Newtown, Conn., and Aurora, Colo., have tripled in recent years, according to a study set to be published next week for the FBI.

Researchers looked at active shootings in public settings where the primary motive appeared to be mass murder and at least one victim was unrelated to the shooter, according to Yahoo News, which obtained the report.

The study, to be published next week in the “FBI Law Enforcement Bulletin,” a training publication for those in the criminal justice profession, was written by the Advanced Law Enforcement Rapid Response Training (ALERRT) Center at Texas State University...

--snip--

Researchers looked at 110 active shooter attacks, and found that they occur most often at businesses (40 percent) and schools (29 percent)...

--snip--

Almost half of the active shootings are over before additional help can arrive, the study said, and potential victims actually stopped the attacker in 17 such cases...

(Excerpt) Read more at washingtontimes.com ...


TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Crime/Corruption; Front Page News; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: banglist
Navigation: use the links below to view more comments.
first 1-2021-4041-6061-80 next last

1 posted on 01/03/2014 9:54:49 PM PST by neverdem
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | View Replies]

To: neverdem

2 posted on 01/03/2014 10:02:13 PM PST by PROCON (Those who are capable of Tyranny are capable of Deceit to sustain it.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: neverdem
“If we can properly prepare and educate civilians, maybe we can get to where 90 percent are stopped by civilians long before the police arrive.”

You can bet that the NY Slimes will not be reporting on this.

G*D forbid that anyone suggest that civilians be armed let alone be armed in public!

3 posted on 01/03/2014 10:02:33 PM PST by Pontiac (The welfare state must fail because it is contrary to human nature and diminishes the human spirit.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: neverdem
The study, to be published next week in the “FBI Law Enforcement Bulletin,” a training publication for those in the criminal justice profession, was written by the Advanced Law Enforcement Rapid Response Training (ALERRT) Center at Texas State University...

What the heck do those people know about it? What does the NYTs think? /s

4 posted on 01/03/2014 10:16:08 PM PST by TigersEye (Stupid is a Progressive disease.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: neverdem

Bump


5 posted on 01/03/2014 10:17:58 PM PST by Jet Jaguar
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: neverdem
Almost half of the active shootings are over before additional help can arrive, the study said, and potential victims actually stopped the attacker in 17 such cases...

The definition of terms that define these statistics will be interesting to read.

After all when the study says that the shooting is over before additional help can arrive; does that mean that in shootings that are stopped when additional help arrives does it mean that LOE has arrived on the scene or does it mean that the LOE intervened?

From what I have read of the active shooter incidents in the press frequently the shooter kills himself when he hears LEO on the scene ending the incident and the LEO never engages the killer.

So to my mind incidents where the shooter kills himself when the LEO arrives would tend to support arming civilians because the mere arrival of firearms on the scene caused the shooter to end the shooting.

6 posted on 01/03/2014 10:23:49 PM PST by Pontiac (The welfare state must fail because it is contrary to human nature and diminishes the human spirit.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: neverdem

It’s time to start looking at the effect of “gun-free zones” on mass shootings. Businesses and schools are target-rich environments, so it’s not surprising that they lead the stats on the number of shootings, but the potential for presence or explicit absence of firearms in the hands of “victims” should be controlled for.


7 posted on 01/03/2014 10:25:24 PM PST by Little Pig (Vi Veri Veniversum Vivus Vici.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: neverdem

Leh mey see....

My 900 lumen flashlight

Kimber Tac II loaded with Hornady .45 JHP 230 grn

And my knife as a backup???

“He’s dead Jim”


8 posted on 01/03/2014 10:41:51 PM PST by Vendome (Don't take life so seriously-you won't live through it anyway-Enjoy Yourself ala Louis Prima)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: Little Pig

The marijuana stores, growing sites and distribution centers must be gun free zones in WA state by order of the Justice Department. Security guards cannot be armed.

Crank-up the Lazy-Boy and get the popcorn, we are in for some real entertainment.


9 posted on 01/03/2014 10:46:00 PM PST by alpo (What would Selco do?)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 7 | View Replies]

To: neverdem
RUN HIDE FIGHT Surviving an Active Shooter

Your DHS at work.

10 posted on 01/03/2014 10:52:03 PM PST by Vince Ferrer
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: Vendome

.45 JHP 230 grn

Too bad you couldn’t get Black Talons - adds just a bit of extra trauma to the wound. Sorry, can’t help my supply is very limited. Other than that I like your choice.

“Gun free zones” are 1/2 of the problem. The other half is that it is, since the Carter years, nearly impossible to commit a crazy kid w/o his/her consent. Crazy people tend to not know they are crazy; they think everyone else is.

If you look at a graph of when we let the crazies go and when mass shootings took off there is a direct link. Then if you look at the recent popularity of “gun free zones” I am sure there will be a spike.


11 posted on 01/03/2014 11:10:28 PM PST by logic101.net (How many more children must die on the altar of "gun free zones"?)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 8 | View Replies]

To: neverdem

12 posted on 01/03/2014 11:14:15 PM PST by JoeProBono (SOME IMAGES MAY BE DISTURBING VIEWER DISCRETION IS ADVISED;-{)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: logic101.net

Black Talons were simply renamed and went back on the market with a slightly different jacket (doesn’t have the black Lubalox coating), renamed the Ranger SXT Ranger-T. With better powder behind it.

There is also a successor variant called the PDX-1 which differs in that it is a bonded hollowpoint version. They sell them at the usual sources, including Walmart.


13 posted on 01/03/2014 11:18:41 PM PST by Spktyr (Overwhelmingly superior firepower and the willingness to use it is the only proven peace solution.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 11 | View Replies]

To: Vince Ferrer

That’s an incredible video.
What a bunch of sitting duck situations.


14 posted on 01/03/2014 11:29:40 PM PST by right way right (What's it gonna take? (guillotines?))
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 10 | View Replies]

To: JoeProBono

Hey at least there is some racial diversity.


15 posted on 01/03/2014 11:33:14 PM PST by right way right (What's it gonna take? (guillotines?))
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 12 | View Replies]

To: neverdem

Ah, common sense but never to be discussed in the media!


16 posted on 01/04/2014 12:01:26 AM PST by Deagle (ues)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: neverdem

If most people went armed, there would be few if any mass shootings.

That would come at the cost of more accidental shootings (many people are idiots, and if most people went armed, a large percentage of them would be armed idiots)/

Also probably at least some increase in “road rage” type shootings. Presently those who CC are a small, self-selected elite. If most people went armed the mix of armed people would change, and not for the better.

Imagine someone walking into a theater and opening fire. 100 people return fire, some of them probably inaccurately.


17 posted on 01/04/2014 3:15:28 AM PST by Sherman Logan
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: logic101.net; Vendome
Too bad you couldn’t get Black Talons

I think someone is producing a round very much like the Black Talon, but with a different name. I seem to recall having seen one of those, but again, don't remember who makes it.

18 posted on 01/04/2014 4:00:55 AM PST by Hardastarboard (The question of our age is whether a majority of Americans can and will vote us all into slavery.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 11 | View Replies]

To: Sherman Logan
Your scary scenarios are NOT supported by the facts. Stop channeling liberals. In all the states that have "Constitutional Carry" NONE of your fantasy scenarios have played out in reality.

If you're afraid of carrying a gun, fine, DON'T. But don't project your problems on the rest of us, ok?

Idiot!

19 posted on 01/04/2014 4:05:29 AM PST by Neil E. Wright (An OATH is FOREVER OathKeeper III We are EVERYWHERE)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 17 | View Replies]

To: Neil E. Wright

Thanks for your courteous and intelligent reply. / s

Reading comprehension isn’t your strong suit, is it?

I posited a world in which “most” people went armed, something that would be necessary if all or most attempted mass shooting were to be immediately opposed by armed civilians.

At present, there are about 8M CCW permit holders in the USA. Not all of them carry at all times. Let’s assume half do.

That means at any given time, 4M Americans, or about 1.5% are armed in public. That is a self-selected and very elite group. Few of them are idiots, and, as we know, the vast majority use their weapons responsibly.

Raise the armed percentage to 51%, and the group becomes a great deal less elite. It’s a hypothetical argument, because it isn’t going to happen. But I think it’s indisputable that if MOST people went armed, bad things would follow, though mass shootings would disappear.

I assume you will agree that a high percentage of the population are idiots. Look who they vote for! If MOST people went armed, a high percentage of those carrying would therefore, by definition, be idiots. Yet we are to assume that there would be no negative consequences following from millions of armed idiots on the street?


20 posted on 01/04/2014 4:33:02 AM PST by Sherman Logan
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 19 | View Replies]


Navigation: use the links below to view more comments.
first 1-2021-4041-6061-80 next last

Disclaimer: Opinions posted on Free Republic are those of the individual posters and do not necessarily represent the opinion of Free Republic or its management. All materials posted herein are protected by copyright law and the exemption for fair use of copyrighted works.

Free Republic
Browse · Search
News/Activism
Topics · Post Article

FreeRepublic, LLC, PO BOX 9771, FRESNO, CA 93794
FreeRepublic.com is powered by software copyright 2000-2008 John Robinson