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Should Your Minimum Wage Depend on Your Age? That's how they do it in Australia-Could it work here?
The Atlantic ^ | January 2, 2014 | Jordan Weissmann, senior associate editor

Posted on 01/04/2014 5:20:41 AM PST by 2ndDivisionVet

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Speaking on Fox News recently, conservative columnist Charles Krauthammer proposed what, to many, might have sounded like a rather novel compromise on the minimum wage. His idea? We should have two of them, a higher minimum for "breadwinners," and a lower minimum for everybody else.

Here was Krauthammer's thinking, paraphrased. It might be hard to feed a whole household on $7.25 an hour. But raising the minimum is most likely to hurt teenagers and minorities who rely on low-paid, entry-level jobs to get a foothold in the working world. So how do you lend a hand to hard-pressed families without penalizing the young? Force employers to pay the "breadwinners" more, and everybody else less.

He called his two-tiered solution "a reasonable answer that Republicans and conservatives could offer."

Already, Krauthammer has gotten a bit of pushback. "Proponents and skeptics of a higher minimum wage can agree that Krauthammer is wrong about this," Slate's Matt Yglesias quipped on Twitter. The Washington Examiner's Philip Klein argued that figuring out who qualified as a "breadwinner" and making sure employers paid them appropriately would be a regulatory headache. But more importantly, he says:

...the economic effects would be most detrimental for those Krauthammer's proposal is intended to help. Under Krauthammer's idea, businesses who want to avoid paying the higher minimum wage on breadwinners have an easy solution: Shift toward hiring more teenagers or other nonbreadwinners.

Klein is right that that whole "breadwinner" concept would probably be more trouble than it would be worth. But what if we tweaked the idea just a little bit, and based the minimum wage on something more straightforward, like a worker's age?

We wouldn't be the first country to try it....

(Excerpt) Read more at theatlantic.com ...


TOPICS: Australia/New Zealand; Business/Economy; Culture/Society; Government
KEYWORDS: australia; charleskrauthammer; economy; employment; mattyglesias; minimumwage; philipklein; unemployment
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1 posted on 01/04/2014 5:20:42 AM PST by 2ndDivisionVet
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

“...to each according to his needs.”

???


2 posted on 01/04/2014 5:25:26 AM PST by Bryanw92 (Sic semper tyrannis)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Like a giant union eh?


3 posted on 01/04/2014 5:26:01 AM PST by Crazieman (Are you naive enough to think VOTING will fix this entrenched system?)
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To: Bryanw92

No one will hire unskilled older workers. This policy would rival obamacare as the dumbest domestic policy in the last 50 years.


4 posted on 01/04/2014 5:27:08 AM PST by Tulane
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Ok, where’s that Captain Picard “facepalm” pict?


5 posted on 01/04/2014 5:28:14 AM PST by PastorBooks
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To: Tulane

“No one will hire unskilled older workers.”

It seems nowadays that companies don’t want to hire SKILLED older workers; they accept the poor performance/lack of skills of younger workers in exchange for paying lower wages. Companies don’t want to pay a “living wage”, and will sacrifice quality to avoid it. Why pay someone who has a family and housing costs when you can pay someone living with their parents who only has to pay for a monthly tattoo or piercing?


6 posted on 01/04/2014 5:33:28 AM PST by kearnyirish2 (Affirmative action is economic war against white males (and therefore white families).)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Importing economic concepts from socialist countries just really works so well...NOT!!!


7 posted on 01/04/2014 5:36:11 AM PST by T-Bird45 (It feels like the seventies, and it shouldn't.)
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To: Tulane
There are two classes who work at these places...youth and older folks. Both are looking for supplemental incomes. Both are uneducated.

The minimum wage is not supposed to be adequate to raise a family. The concept is ridiculous.

My hubby always worked two jobs when the kids were little.

You want to raise a family someday? Stay in school...get an education and pursue a dream...."the pursuit of happiness" is YOUR responsibility.

8 posted on 01/04/2014 5:38:40 AM PST by Sacajaweau
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To: Bryanw92

Age adjusting the minimum wage admits that it’s hurtful to young people. Well, if it’s hurtful to one group it’s hurtful to all groups. This is also why I always vote against tax exemptions for various groups. If the tax is hurtful to one group, it’s hurtful to all groups only more so now that some constituency is immune.

Age adjusting only means that older people won’t get hired in minimum wage jobs.


9 posted on 01/04/2014 5:40:51 AM PST by Gen.Blather
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
It wouldn't work without an end to foreign labor doing jobs instead of US citizens. With our current culture, as soon as a worker got older and eligible for a higher wage, they'd be replaced by a young invader.

Any chance to reverse course in the US stops with ending the invasion of the US.

10 posted on 01/04/2014 5:41:18 AM PST by grania
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

“a higher minimum for “breadwinners,” and a lower minimum for everybody else...”

Fail from Krauthammer. I worked every bit as hard as anyone else at McD. I wasn’t a breadwinner yet. I was becoming one.


11 posted on 01/04/2014 5:41:47 AM PST by ToastedHead
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Idea brought to us by Walter Mondale’s speechwriter. He gets a free pass on being a RINO because of his disability.


12 posted on 01/04/2014 5:44:59 AM PST by peyton randolph (Proverbs 13:20)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
Speaking on Fox News recently, conservative columnist Charles Krauthammer proposed what, to many, might have sounded like a rather novel compromise on the minimum wage. His idea? We should have two of them, a higher minimum for "breadwinners," and a lower minimum for everybody else.

IIRC, Krauthammer is a former speech writer for Walter Mondale, and he's reverting to form. I wouldn't say that this is "as dumb" an idea as Obamacare, which effects 100% of the population in all 57 states.

But it pretty much guarantees that low skilled workers above the cutoff age won't even be able to find employment as greeters at WalMart. Like many problems, the simple "solutions" will make the problem even worse, and the real solution is very difficult and will take years to accomplish.

13 posted on 01/04/2014 5:46:42 AM PST by Sooth2222 ("Suppose you were an idiot. And suppose you were a member of congress. But I repeat myself." M.Twain)
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To: ToastedHead

Yeah, age doesn’t magically change your productivity. Either you are worth your wage (or higher) or you are not. The government stepping in just distorts the facts of the matter by placing a floor.

Of course this would mean that any unskilled older people would be shut out of getting into the market.


14 posted on 01/04/2014 5:48:00 AM PST by drbuzzard (All animals are created equal, but some are more equal than others.)
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To: kearnyirish2

If you are a older person with no skills then you have wasted your life.


15 posted on 01/04/2014 5:48:03 AM PST by Yorlik803 ( Church/Caboose in 2016)
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To: Bryanw92

yeah, let’s go ahead with more laws about stuff. It surely will help.


16 posted on 01/04/2014 5:49:44 AM PST by Mrs. P
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To: kearnyirish2

I disagree. The USA is all about measuring productivity....except for government workers.


17 posted on 01/04/2014 5:51:53 AM PST by Sacajaweau
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

This policy is the definition of Age Discrimination.Can anyone see Ginsberg, etc. upholding this policy?


18 posted on 01/04/2014 5:52:34 AM PST by Makana (Self-esteem is the new intelligence. - Greenfield)
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To: Sooth2222

Charlie just through this idea to the crowd to chomp on. He knows it won’t happen.


19 posted on 01/04/2014 5:53:22 AM PST by Sacajaweau
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

There is no difference between flipping a hamburger and digging a hole......the thought process is the same for it does not require thinking.

The more difficult the job, both physically and/or mentally, the higher the pay.


20 posted on 01/04/2014 5:54:47 AM PST by DH (Once the tainted finger of government touches anything the rot begins)
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To: peyton randolph

When you don’t have an intelligent response, ad hominem attacks are cheap and plentiful—Proverbs


21 posted on 01/04/2014 5:55:01 AM PST by NautiNurse (Obama sends U.S. Marines to pick up his dog & basketballs. Benghazi? Nope.)
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To: Sooth2222
Wow...it is early...wrote through instead of threw in my last post....

Time for some fresh air!!

22 posted on 01/04/2014 5:56:53 AM PST by Sacajaweau
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To: Bryanw92
Krauthammer is off his meds again!.....You can send em to school and call them “doctors”.....but you cant fix stupid in a pseudo-interlectual...
23 posted on 01/04/2014 5:57:12 AM PST by M-cubed
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Should Your Minimum Wage Depend on Your Age?

NO

Anyone working a minimum wage job and trying to support a family shouldn’t have a family to begin with.

We shouldn’t have a minimum wage anyway. It should be up to the employer. There’s a large majority of minimum wage workers that don’t deserve what they’re getting.


24 posted on 01/04/2014 5:58:12 AM PST by maddog55
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To: kearnyirish2
It seems nowadays that companies don’t want to hire SKILLED older workers

Exactly right. IBM recently caught some flack for specifying in job postings that they wanted new college graduates. They had just laid off people in those same jobs so it's hard to see this as anything other than an effort to replace older, better qualified workers with low paid, low knowledge workers.

25 posted on 01/04/2014 6:00:08 AM PST by Straight Vermonter (Posting from deep behind the Maple Curtain)
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To: drbuzzard

I don’t get how anyone would expect to live off of 40 hrs of min wage to begin with. If the only option I had right now was going back to McD, I’d work there 40 hrs, and work another 40 at Burger King. Its humanly possible and I know this for a fact. This time last year I was working my regular week on/off 84 hour weeks, and also covering for a friend on maternity leave, on the opposite weeks.

That would get me $1280 every 2 weeks. I wouldn’t even have to move if I cut phone and tv. Geico would be rough every 6 months, but the point is I could do it. And I sure as hell would before I’d ever take a dime of welfare money.


26 posted on 01/04/2014 6:03:34 AM PST by ToastedHead
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To: kearnyirish2

The stats show that younger workers have been the most affected by obozo’s economy...by far the young have the highest unemployment rates...ironic given their voting habits.


27 posted on 01/04/2014 6:06:37 AM PST by Tulane
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To: Sacajaweau

Amen.


28 posted on 01/04/2014 6:07:27 AM PST by Tulane
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To: peyton randolph

As I commented the other day when this first showed up, Kraut is shilling for Hillary and her “Third Way” campaign.

Dems want $15/hr min wage, repubs say leave it where it is.

Well here we have a “Third Way”.


29 posted on 01/04/2014 6:07:51 AM PST by IMR 4350
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To: Gen.Blather

“Age adjusting only means that older people won’t get hired in minimum wage jobs.”

Bingo. More special rules means SOMEBODY is gonna get screwed.


30 posted on 01/04/2014 6:09:36 AM PST by moovova
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

No, I noticed old people work much harder and are for the most part more responsible employees.

Since when does America operate like this?

Disgusting.


31 posted on 01/04/2014 6:10:07 AM PST by dforest
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To: Gen.Blather

When I worked and lived at home as a teenager...I gave part of my pay to my mom and dad...It didn’t hurt me and it helped them. Of course, I didn’t buy $100 sneakers either.


32 posted on 01/04/2014 6:18:50 AM PST by Sacajaweau
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To: ToastedHead

I agree a fail from the Hammer, but I would venture to say there have been more non-breadwinners fired or released from jobs than breadwinners.

Simply for the reason that the breadwinner “needs” the job more. Same misbegotten philosophy. I’ve seen it happen.


33 posted on 01/04/2014 6:20:51 AM PST by A'elian' nation ("Political Correctness does not legislate tolerance; it only organizes hatred." Jacques Barzun)
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To: A'elian' nation

I’ve seen that for sure. Someone might really suck and should be replaced, but they “have young kids” or a “sick wife” and no one wants to pull the trigger. Happens all the time.


34 posted on 01/04/2014 6:23:54 AM PST by ToastedHead
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To: dforest

Old people work harder? I don’t see that at all. In fact, just the opposite. Young people in these jobs WANT to work. The older folks just go to work.


35 posted on 01/04/2014 6:26:59 AM PST by Sacajaweau
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To: Mrs. P; Gen.Blather

>>yeah, let’s go ahead with more laws about stuff. It surely will help.

I think you people misunderstood my comment. I was just pointing out that age-adjusting the minimum wage is the epitome of “to each according to his needs” which is the basis of communism.

I was trying to make the point that age-adjusting the minimum wage is a Marxist idea!!

Subtlety does not work on FR. :-(


36 posted on 01/04/2014 6:29:40 AM PST by Bryanw92 (Sic semper tyrannis)
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To: A'elian' nation
Charlie was just giving folks something to chew on knowing that it will never happen...

kinda like a warning of some brilliant Dem concept...just like Obamacare was a brilliant Dem concept...

Charlie's underlying theme to government...stay out of private business.

37 posted on 01/04/2014 6:36:57 AM PST by Sacajaweau
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To: ToastedHead

Nice to see the work ethic isn’t dead, but I seriously doubt many at entry level will ever again get even close to 30 hours, let alone 40, thanks to obamacare.


38 posted on 01/04/2014 6:38:29 AM PST by bill1952 (Choice is an illusion created between those with power - and those without)
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To: Bryanw92

“Subtlety does not work on FR. :-(”

Actually, yes. You should listen to the audio book, “Public opinion” by Walter Lippmann. (It’s free.) https://librivox.org/public-opinion-by-walter-lippmann/

It explains why people so often misunderstand what you’re saying.

However, I did understand and agree with your comment. But age adjusting also has the effect of hurting older employees who will not be hired because they cost more. Minimum wage jobs generally don’t require much skill so age is not a good thing in seeking that sort of employment.


39 posted on 01/04/2014 6:44:54 AM PST by Gen.Blather
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To: bill1952

The people I work with who share my work ethic seem to be the foreigners. They’re the ones I compete for the overtime with. They see it as a gift like I do.

You’re right about entry level, and its a shame. I remember being offered overtime at McD when they were desperate, and I always said yes. This must have been in the mid 90’s.


40 posted on 01/04/2014 6:45:33 AM PST by ToastedHead
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To: Yorlik803

Not necessarily.

What about the 35 year old housewife who’s husband dies? Suddenly she finds herself with no work experience and an outdated education, caring for two or three kids. She’s got to start from the bottom like everyone else.

Of the infantryman who gets out of the army at age 28 with a medical. There’s not too many job openings for a sniper in the civilian world.

Sometimes life plans change and the path you were so sure of takes an unexpected twist.

These people may bring a maturity and discipline to the workplace that an employer may see as worthy, but they’d have to sell themselves.


41 posted on 01/04/2014 6:46:19 AM PST by Marie (When are they going to take back Obama's peace prize?)
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To: Tulane
LOL. That's the first thing that came to my mind, too.

It's worth noting that this kind of overbearing government policy only works in welfare states where it is impossible to fire people once they are hired.

42 posted on 01/04/2014 6:54:52 AM PST by Alberta's Child ("I've never seen such a conclave of minstrels in my life.")
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To: NautiNurse

The idea doesn’t deserve debate. The minimum wage is a bad idea. Raising it is a worse idea. Tiering it won’t turn it into a good idea. Krauthammer knows medicine but is a left wing idiot on economic issues. He’s a moderate Democrat posing as a neocon Republican.


43 posted on 01/04/2014 6:55:21 AM PST by peyton randolph (Proverbs 13:20)
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To: ToastedHead

When I worked at Alen Wood Steel, (remember american steel?) I typically worked 16 hour double shifts, and did so 7 days a week, 52 weeks a year.
Government EPA and other regulators ended american industry just as intended...


44 posted on 01/04/2014 6:58:00 AM PST by bill1952 (Choice is an illusion created between those with power - and those without)
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To: dforest

Since when does America operate like this?


Older workers are infected with “WORK ETHIC” while younger workers are normally immunized against it.


45 posted on 01/04/2014 7:01:05 AM PST by DH (Once the tainted finger of government touches anything the rot begins)
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To: Marie

The Housewife has skills. She must have skills to manage a house.
As for the Military person, he shows he has commitment. He see a job thru no matter how much it sucks.
Too bad Obama crashed the job market so bad that these sorts of people have to fight against College educated people who are vying for the same low paying jobs.


46 posted on 01/04/2014 7:06:59 AM PST by Yorlik803 ( Church/Caboose in 2016)
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To: bill1952

Wasn’t it great? When I do it, my eyes hurt like hell, and my legs are sore from running all night. Part of me feels like I am killing myself. But a bigger part of me feels so much joy knowing I am buying freedom, and making the future safer for the family.

Good for you! I bet you are so proud of that time.


47 posted on 01/04/2014 7:10:55 AM PST by ToastedHead
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
"So how do you lend a hand to hard-pressed families without penalizing the young?"

How was it done before the creation of the minimum wage?
48 posted on 01/04/2014 7:18:10 AM PST by clearcarbon
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To: Yorlik803

And you hit the REAL problem right on the head. The economy. In a thriving economy, employers are competing for labor, not the other way around.

I’m praying for the next oil boom and a new administration.


49 posted on 01/04/2014 7:24:11 AM PST by Marie (When are they going to take back Obama's peace prize?)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Big Krauthammer fan. Very dissapointed in him on this issue.


50 posted on 01/04/2014 7:26:59 AM PST by PAR
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