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The Congressman Who Went Off the Grid
politico ^ | Jan 3, 2014 | JASON KOEBLER

Posted on 01/04/2014 6:52:52 AM PST by Daffynition

When Roscoe Bartlett was in Congress, he latched onto a particularly apocalyptic issue, one almost no one else ever seemed to talk about: America’s dangerously vulnerable power grid. In speech after late-night speech on the House floor, Bartlett hectored the nearly empty chamber: If the United States doesn’t do something to protect the grid, and soon, a terrorist or an act of nature will put an end to life as we know it.

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TOPICS: Business/Economy; Constitution/Conservatism; Culture/Society; US: Maryland; US: West Virginia
KEYWORDS: powergrid
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1 posted on 01/04/2014 6:52:52 AM PST by Daffynition
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To: Daffynition

looks good


2 posted on 01/04/2014 6:59:58 AM PST by yldstrk (My heroes have always been cowboys)
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To: Daffynition

decentralizing the power grid is the answer

things like gen4’s hyperion power module would solve the problem

http://www.gen4energy.com/


3 posted on 01/04/2014 7:00:25 AM PST by sten (fighting tyranny never goes out of style)
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To: Daffynition

That is a nice looking home.


4 posted on 01/04/2014 7:02:46 AM PST by Jonty30 (What Islam and secularism have in common is that they are both death cults)
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To: yldstrk

Does “going off the grid” mean that you must keep your chairs on the table?


5 posted on 01/04/2014 7:06:49 AM PST by afraidfortherepublic
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To: afraidfortherepublic

I take it he is not living in that cabin, he has six cabins on his 156 acres


6 posted on 01/04/2014 7:08:16 AM PST by yldstrk (My heroes have always been cowboys)
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To: Daffynition

interestingly the government did a study about an EMP attack, it’s called “report of the commission to assess the threat to the united states from electromagnetic pulse (emp) attack”
unfortunately the report was released the same day as the 9/11 commission report.....so which one got the most attention???

If anyone is interested in reading a thought provoking book about such a thing, try “One Second After” by William R. Forstchen. While the story is fiction, it brought to mind, at least for me, things I hadn’t considered.


7 posted on 01/04/2014 7:09:17 AM PST by Farnsworth (Now playing in America: "Stupid is the new normal")
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To: Daffynition

What would EMP do to those nice solar panels?


8 posted on 01/04/2014 7:10:29 AM PST by Black Agnes
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To: Daffynition

Good for him, yet he is but one of multi millions who could even afford to go off the grid and buy these things on a government salary.
The rest of us are being herded like sheep to the slaughter by the some 600 evil peoples who make laws in DC that make themselves richer while the country and people are being slaughtered day by day.
The cruelest and worst enemies of America are the politicians of DC who should have been deported many years ago but the ignorance and greed of American citizens have brought us to this point of no return. Only the return of Christ can save us from the coming evil. Come quickly Lord and Saviour Jesus and be the King of the earth for whom your blood was shed and over whom you will rule for the Kingdom and into eternity! And let your enemies flee before you seven ways.


9 posted on 01/04/2014 7:13:02 AM PST by kindred (Let the God of Israel be true and every man a liar. The just shall live by faith.)
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To: Daffynition

Republican Senator Lisa Murkowski (Alaska) is responsible for killing legislation in 2010 that would have protected the US power grid from EMP weapons and solar flares. Had the legislation been passed, by today much of the work to shield the grid would have been accomplished.

http://www.newsmax.com/KenTimmerman/lisa-murkowski-emp-energy/2010/10/14/id/373768

Perhaps Ms. Murkowski should read the Constitution she swore to defend. National defense is a defined role of the federal government.


10 posted on 01/04/2014 7:16:57 AM PST by Soul of the South (Yesterday is gone. Today will be what we make of it.)
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To: Black Agnes

“What would EMP do to those nice solar panels?”

Up in smoke, fried crispy critters.


11 posted on 01/04/2014 7:35:31 AM PST by Texas Fossil
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To: Farnsworth

Great book and very though provoking. Every town needs a group to keep the peace, keep food rations on pace, medicines to be rationed especially Insulin...even living in the hills, dear, bear, rabbits and birds will be quickly taken...stripping a food chain out of the picture.

And shoes, never thought about it— have a well stocked supply of boots, shoes, socks...

Recommend everyone read this book.....


12 posted on 01/04/2014 7:38:01 AM PST by Engedi
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To: Engedi

glad someone else has read the book. the medicine thing was the real eye opener for me.


13 posted on 01/04/2014 7:46:26 AM PST by Farnsworth (Now playing in America: "Stupid is the new normal")
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To: Black Agnes

Perhaps nothing to the panels, but the inverter electronics and controls wouldn’t fare too well.


14 posted on 01/04/2014 7:49:21 AM PST by ProtectOurFreedom
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To: Farnsworth

Here it is:

http://www.4shared.com/zip/qZ4-ONyi/one_second_after_by_william_r_.html


15 posted on 01/04/2014 8:03:17 AM PST by carriage_hill (Peace is that brief glorious moment in history, when everybody stands around reloading.)
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To: carriage_hill

It’s a book worth reading, thanks for the link


16 posted on 01/04/2014 8:11:50 AM PST by Farnsworth (Now playing in America: "Stupid is the new normal")
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To: yldstrk

Chairs on the table is not feng shei. He’ll never sell that cabin that way. He needs to put those chairs on the floor, set the table, and bake cinnamon cookies in the oven.


17 posted on 01/04/2014 8:20:46 AM PST by afraidfortherepublic
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To: yldstrk

In California, being entirely off the grid will result in the state government seizing your property.


18 posted on 01/04/2014 8:24:14 AM PST by MrEdd (Heck? Geewhiz Cripes, thats the place where people who don't believe in Gosh think they aint going.)
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To: Farnsworth

Here is a good way to stock up on your maintenance meds. Every time you refill them, take 3 out of the bottle and put them away. If your insurance plan allows for 90 days worth, take 10 out and put them away. In no time at all you’ll have a months worth put back.

L


19 posted on 01/04/2014 8:24:43 AM PST by Lurker (Violence is rarely the answer. But when it is it is the only answer.)
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To: afraidfortherepublic

lol

He is building enough cabins to house his 10 children and his grandchildren if the shtf. I don’t think he wants to sell them


20 posted on 01/04/2014 8:26:36 AM PST by yldstrk (My heroes have always been cowboys)
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To: Black Agnes
What would EMP do to those nice solar panels?

Fry them, and anything else using solid state devices ("chips") to a crisp. This would include all methods of power transmission and voice and other types of communication and virtually all methods of transportation.

Even a lite EMP could devastate the country for six months at least. Imagine having no electric power for anthing. Think about what you'd lose for a few minutes and you'll realize the amount of havoc that would be wreaked.

Farnsworth in number seven above recommended the book "One Second After. Excellent!! Here's a link.

One good effect: an EMP would put the NSA out of business for a long time.

21 posted on 01/04/2014 8:26:46 AM PST by upchuck (My Internet addiction is so bad... it's alt of ctrl.)
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To: Black Agnes

After a snow storm not only do you have to shovel the driveway but then you have to brush the snow off those things........no thanks


22 posted on 01/04/2014 8:30:06 AM PST by Hot Tabasco (Miss Muffit suffered from arachnophobia.....)
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To: yldstrk

Well, I hope that somebody wipes off the table after they take those chairs down — the feet of the chairs on the table surface is highly unsanitary. He may be off the grid, but germs lurk on the floor. His family may have enough food and home generated electricy, but they’ll die of some disease if he does not improve his housekeeping standards! LOL


23 posted on 01/04/2014 8:40:25 AM PST by afraidfortherepublic
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To: yldstrk

He’s smart. Thats what we are doing to the mountain retreat. We are going to keep the electric hooked up until the grid goes down then flip the switch and go on solar. All appliances on propane and 2 1000 gallon propane tanks. Wood stove for heat. The solar will run the ceiling fans in the summer. Might get a little sticky but you can acclimate.


24 posted on 01/04/2014 8:42:07 AM PST by Georgia Girl 2 (The only purpose of a pistol is to fight your way back to the rifle you should never have dropped.)
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To: Lurker

thats a good idea, but meds have a shelf life. Do you do a rotation of some kind?


25 posted on 01/04/2014 9:04:02 AM PST by Farnsworth (Now playing in America: "Stupid is the new normal")
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To: Daffynition

Roscoe Bartlett for President

This guy is a real American

Self sufficient, hard working, always on the move accomplishing things

Compare him to the worthless drug thug we have running his gangsta extortion games on the American public


26 posted on 01/04/2014 9:06:33 AM PST by Regulator
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To: Farnsworth

Indeed I do. But most meds have a shelf life of much longer than the manufacturers recommendations.


27 posted on 01/04/2014 9:27:21 AM PST by Lurker (Violence is rarely the answer. But when it is it is the only answer.)
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To: Farnsworth
Keep them in the fridge. The shelf life can be extended by an amazing amount if you keep it barely above freezing.

I do not recommend freezing most meds (especially not the liquid ones) since some will turn to powder as trace amounts of moisture in them will eventually destroy them, if not simply disintegrating some particular ones with certain compounds necessary for their proper useage.

Fridge also works quite well for battery shelf life, with the same caveats about not freezing them.

28 posted on 01/04/2014 9:40:56 AM PST by Utilizer (Bacon A'kbar! - In world today are only peaceful people, and the mooslimbs trying to kill them-)
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To: Farnsworth

Keep your meds in a dark area away from UV rays. Cool temperatures will keep most meds for 10 or more years.


29 posted on 01/04/2014 10:41:43 AM PST by B4Ranch (Name your illness, do a Google & YouTube search with "hydrogen peroxide". Do it and be surprised.)
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To: yldstrk
I know nothing about this gentleman's *off-the-grid* situation. From the few pix I found ....I wouldn't call having propane lights necessarily *off-the-grid* ...b/c *someone* has to come by and fill the propane tank in the yard.

To me, what *off-the-grid* means, is totally self-sufficient; that might mean no running water or propane. Even *someone* knows you are there.............the tax collector in the town. ;(

I consider what Dick Proenneke did/lived was *off-the-grid*. Not meaning to take anything away from the congressman.

30 posted on 01/04/2014 2:43:50 PM PST by Daffynition (It isn't what we don't know that gives us trouble, it's what we know that ain't so.)
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To: Utilizer

vacuum packing might extend it too.


31 posted on 01/04/2014 3:24:18 PM PST by Farnsworth (Now playing in America: "Stupid is the new normal")
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To: sten

Very cool!

...but how much does that cost? LOL


32 posted on 01/04/2014 7:36:38 PM PST by NYTexan
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To: Daffynition; Kartographer; blam; Marcella; JRandomFreeper

When Roscoe talks, people should listen.


33 posted on 01/04/2014 8:00:59 PM PST by Tolerance Sucks Rocks (...)
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To: Abundy; Albion Wilde; AlwaysFree; AnnaSASsyFR; bayliving; BFM; Bigg Red; cindy-true-supporter; ...

When Roscoe talks, people should listen!


34 posted on 01/04/2014 8:22:40 PM PST by Tolerance Sucks Rocks (...)
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To: Black Agnes

“What would EMP do to those nice solar panels?”

Nothing. An EMP goes directly into a power line and anything connected to that line fries. Whatever isn’t plugged in isn’t damaged. He isn’t connected to the grid so his panels are fine.


35 posted on 01/04/2014 8:25:27 PM PST by Marcella ((Prepping can save your life today. I am a Christian, not a Muslim.))
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To: kindred

“...he is but one of multi millions who could even afford to go off the grid and buy these things on a government salary.”

It’s a matter of how much money do you have to spend - not a matter of living off the grid. I use the grid because it works - if it stops, I can do without it and have a reasonable standard of living because I planned it that way.


36 posted on 01/04/2014 8:29:52 PM PST by Marcella ((Prepping can save your life today. I am a Christian, not a Muslim.))
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To: Kartographer

ping to power grid article, discussion.


37 posted on 01/04/2014 8:35:50 PM PST by Marcella ((Prepping can save your life today. I am a Christian, not a Muslim.))
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To: appalachian_dweller; OldPossum; DuncanWaring; VirginiaMom; CodeToad; goosie; kalee; ...

Preppers’ PING!!

Hat-tip to Marcella and Tolerance Sucks Rocks for the heads up.


38 posted on 01/05/2014 4:23:53 AM PST by Kartographer ("We mutually pledge to each other our lives, our fortunes and our sacred honor.")
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To: Farnsworth
...try “One Second After” by William R. Forstchen. While the story is fiction, it brought to mind, at least for me, things I hadn’t considered.

One of the most frightening books I've ever read. The daughter that needed insulin was heart breaking.

39 posted on 01/05/2014 4:26:02 AM PST by raybbr (I weep over my sons' future in this Godforsaken country.)
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To: yldstrk

Saw this on Drudge, interesting.


40 posted on 01/05/2014 4:34:44 AM PST by gattaca ("If you tell the truth, you don't have to remember anything." Mark Twain)
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To: Farnsworth; Lurker
"but meds have a shelf life."

If stored properly(dry place - slightly below room temperature), most medications can last WELL past the "expiration date".

41 posted on 01/05/2014 4:51:43 AM PST by KoRn (Department of Homeland Security, Certified - "Right Wing Extremist")
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To: afraidfortherepublic

“Well, I hope that somebody wipes off the table after they take those chairs down — the feet of the chairs on the table surface is highly unsanitary. He may be off the grid, but germs lurk on the floor. His family may have enough food and home generated electricy, but they’ll die of some disease if he does not improve his housekeeping standards! LOL”

The house is still under construction. Still vacant. No one lives there yet.


42 posted on 01/05/2014 4:55:12 AM PST by Rannug
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To: afraidfortherepublic

In the picture,he must be still building or remodeling ,there’s a table saw in the other room.


43 posted on 01/05/2014 5:10:10 AM PST by piroque ("In times of universal deceit, telling the truth becomes a revolutionary act")
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To: Texas Fossil
Up in smoke, fried crispy critters.

More likely the panels are there because it would cost ten fortunes and a zillion forms and permits to get electricity out there. I don't think he's all that worried about losing power because he has back up plans.

44 posted on 01/05/2014 5:26:13 AM PST by bgill
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To: bgill

You are right.

I am not a prepper, think it is dumb. I do live simply, think that is a smart strategy.

I have 3 photovoltaic panels, have had them since the early 1980’s. Only use them for unusual circumstances to power radio transmitters.

We also have 2 gasoline welder/power plants. We use them often at the farm.


45 posted on 01/05/2014 5:35:52 AM PST by Texas Fossil
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To: Texas Fossil
I am not a prepper, think it is dumb.

It's dumb to be prepared?

/johnny

46 posted on 01/05/2014 5:50:28 AM PST by JRandomFreeper (Gone Galt)
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To: JRandomFreeper
No, my friend. That is not my point.

The left wants to reduce us to scratching a subsistence living on a piece of dirt with a stick. Cave man style.

Over the centuries we have learned how to be more productive, but it is dependent on trading and transportation. The quality of life has improved because of it.

It is NOT a bad thing to be as independent as possible, within reasonable limits.

The solution is to expose and overthrow the leftist scum and get on with our lives. We don't presently seem to be doing a very good job of that. Although our friends here are after them daily.

I admit I have increased my fruit trees, berry bushes and garden size over past 3 years. I admit I have increase my reloading capacity and amount of components on hand too. (am still doing that)

I already live in rural America and like it.

Until about a year ago, I was more focused on taking care of sick elderly relatives than anything else. Still doing some of that, but all that is left now is my father and my aunt.

I meant no disrespect for you or your attitudes. I am a solitary bee type myself, not a hive bee.

47 posted on 01/05/2014 6:11:42 AM PST by Texas Fossil
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To: Texas Fossil
I am a solitary bee type myself, not a hive bee.

I can relate. I did about 2 years as a mountain man, completely off-grid, living in an 8' x 12' shack with no running water, and nearest neighbor about 1/2 mile away over rough terrain.

I like living alone like that.

Although flush toilets do have their charms. ;)

/johnny

48 posted on 01/05/2014 6:21:07 AM PST by JRandomFreeper (Gone Galt)
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To: NYTexan

last time I looked it was something like $25-50m per unit which would run for 10 years powering 20,000 homes... which would be like $20/mon per home

why aren’t we rolling these out in the US? because the centralized system brings them a lot more money


49 posted on 01/05/2014 7:10:30 AM PST by sten (fighting tyranny never goes out of style)
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To: Black Agnes

“What would EMP do to those nice solar panels?”

Nothing. EMP isn’t this mystical creature that destroys all things electric and electronic, I don’t care how many people repeat that lie. EMP is a fairly weak pulse that is extremely brief, hence it requires very long wires to build up enough charge to do significant damage.


50 posted on 01/05/2014 7:13:37 AM PST by CodeToad (When ignorance rules a person's decision they are resorting to superstition.)
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