Skip to comments.Is Lovie enough to fill the seats?
Posted on 01/04/2014 7:07:59 AM PST by 4Runner
The first rule of public relations disasters is to change the narrative as quickly as possible. With that in mind, Ill give Family Glazer a cookie for their rapid response in turning the 4-12 stench that was sooooo last season into a Loviefest.
New coach Lovie Smith is a proven winner with local ties, and having a team that competes for the playoffs every year would certainly be refreshing.
Call me jaded, though, on at least one big point. Im not sure even winning automatically will fill Raymond James Stadium every Sunday and beyond. I think fans are going to cheer with their hearts but stay skeptical with their wallets, at least for a while.
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I am a Rams fan. During the 2000 season, the defense tank while the offense continued to hum well enough to get us barely into the playoffs.
During the off-season, the defensive coach was fired, and Lovie Smith was brought on to turn the defense around. Despite Martz’ goofy draft picks, a couple of decent FA acquisitions (Aeneas Williams in particular) and the addition of Lovie Smith made all of the difference, and the Rams went to the Super Bowl again. He was a rising star and after the Bears picked him up for a head coach assignment, he helped bring them to only their second Super Bowl, then the team plateaued.
I don’t blame Smith, though. He is a solid head coach and NOT an affirmative action hire. He may well thrive in Tampa. As a Rams fan, I respect our current head coach, Jeff Fisher. BUt if wwe had to replace him, and couldn’t get Cowher, I’d want Smith from the list of available coaches.
I am surprised no one is mentioning Mike Singletary. He did well for the 49ers, many of the players there he drafted or brought it. They kind of mutinied against him, because he drove them quite hard. Tom Coughlin was like that for the Jags, and Belichick was as well in previous stints.
They won't solve it until a financial collapse brings player salaries back to earth such that more fans can afford them more easily. Or fans stop buying overpriced sports tickets, which probably won't happen.
You can not totally blame the Glazers. The NFL has made all owners aware that they MUST at least interview or consider blacks for manger positions. Actually surprised that the NFL is not pressuring the owners to hire an homosexual manager. Maybe next year.
Born in Chicago, a Bear’s fan. I won’t blame everything on Smith but his version of the cover-2 was not good. That having been said the new defensive coordinator for the Bears is absolutely pathetic. Although once again his Free and Strong Safeties are miserable. He has no pass rush, .they NEVER touched Rodgers ONCE in theta last game. And the linebackers are just chunks of putrid meat being run over by anyone in the league. Last in defense and Cutler can’t score enough points to overcome their failure . Good luck, BUT Smith is not the answer. Great players are the answer.
Hope that Obama-promoter fails.
Recall the turmoil that occurred when Tony Dungy was fired and replaced by Jon "Chuckie" Gruden. The long suffering Buccaneers Super Bowl championship was ultimately attained during Gruden's first season, albeit with players who had bitter discord with coach Gruden. The Bucs record tanked after that single championship season.
Wow. Someone really didn't pay attention to Lovie's record in Chicago did they?
Smith's record was .556 - that's barely over 500. Yes, the Bears made the Superbowl one year while Smith was coach - but that was only because the Bears were the best team in the worst division of the NFL that year.
Under Smith, the Bears were typically "one and done" in the Playoffs two times, and for Chicago Bears fans it was unconscionable that the Bears only beat the Packers TWICE during Smith's reign of terror here.
So "jump for joy" all y'all want thinking Lovie Smith is a great coach - come this time next year you'll think otherwise.
Finally, at the risk of being called a "racist!" yet again here on FR, Smith is the "affirmative action" hire for the Buc's. One Black NFL coach got fired this year, so according to Jesse Jackson rules, one NFL team had to hire a black coach "as a replacement."
Good luck Tampa Bay Fans, you're gonna need it.
There were no larger forces at work. Schiano is a jerk (look up the whole “rushing the kneel down” incident from last season), with a bad record. He made no friends, impressed no one, and didn’t win enough games to excuse his annoying behavior. Lovie Smith is a hot property, a lot of people out there think the Bears made a big mistake firing him, he was a linebacker coach working for Dungy when Tony started the big turnaround that got the Buc out of the toilet they’d been in since day one.
I don’t see any race obsession with the Glazers at all. They’ve owned the team for almost 20 years and they’ve hired coaches both black and white and fired all of them eventually.
You’re generally not going to find players on a team bad enough to get their coach fired saying anything not glowing about the new inbound coach. They all want a job next year, and being the guy who said he’s not sure about the new guy isn’t generally a path to keeping your job.
The Glazers fired Dungy and Raheem Morris, they fire black coaches too. The only race obsessed person in this seems to be you.
That having been said the new defensive coordinator for the Bears is absolutely pathetic. Although once again his Free and Strong Safeties are miserable. He has no pass rush, .they NEVER touched Rodgers ONCE in theta last game.
While I live in the Chicago area, I'm a Green Bay Packers fan (mostly because of Lovie Smith and Jay Cutler .. but I digress.) Mel Tucker's had a challenge all year with that Defense. The problem as I see it is Lovie Smith let the Defense get old, and there was no transition plan to bring younger players up in the system. The Bears Defense was already falling apart last year under Smith, the wheels simply came off this year due to the number of injuries on the Defensive side of the line. I'm not sure you can pin the Bears Defense's failures on Tucker as much as I would to Lovie Smith and his failures. But that's just me.
And the linebackers are just chunks of putrid meat being run over by anyone in the league.
They couldn't really stop the run effectively last year -- but you're correct they got seemingly exponentially worse this year. The Defensive Line sure didn't do the Linebackers any favors either by leaving holes so wide and for so long that a slow moving semi could drive through it.
Last in defense and Cutler cant score enough points to overcome their failure .
If you look at the games the Bears actually won this year, in all cases except one, the Defense scored at least one TD (interception, runback) or Devin Hester ran a punt/kickoff back for a TD. If you SUBTRACT those points from each of those games - the Bears *LOST* those games. Cutler and the Office managed to put up enough points to win ONE GAME on their own. The Bears could easily be 1-15 this year were it not for the points the Defense and Special Teams put up on the board. (If you don't believe me, go back and look at the stats.)
The reality is Jay Cutler is nothing more than a mediocre quarterback who's NEVER going to get the Bears to a Superbowl. They may win the division, they may make the playoff's with him as QB and Trestman as Head Coach - but they will NEVER win a Superbowl with Cutler.
Jay Cutler falls apart in the big games, makes stupid decisions, and throws interceptions when the game is on the line. That's been his history with the Bears, that was his history with the Bronco's. Yes, he's got a hell of a strong arm and a great receiver core (Marshall, Bennett, Jeffries) along with Matt Forte behind him - but his stupid decisions will ALWAYS cost the Bears the big game.
So as a Green Bay Packers fan, I fully support the Bears re-signing Cutler for 7 years. Clearly they didn't learn their lesson pissing $30 million down a hole so what's another $54 million + incentives and even HIGHER ticket prices?
Those people are ignoring Smith's record as Bears head-coach, where he was .556 (barely over 500)
Smith was at his best with the St. Louis Rams as Defensive Coach when the Rams won the Superbowl.
Head-Coach material he is not. Anyone who thinks so is a fool.
BTW: One of the reasons the Bears Defense was in such bad shape this year was largely due to Smith's incompetence in bringing new players up in the system and letting other key defensive players keep playing far longer than they should have.
JJ Peppers is one example, Chris Conte (a Smith hire) who gave up the winning TD during the Bears/Packers game is another. There's more examples - these are the two most glaring.
Not to worry, the Bears just re-signed Cutler for 7 years, $54 million plus incentives. Given Cutler's 1-9 against the Packers, I don't think we Packers fans have much to worry about. ;-)
556 isn’t that bad a record, “barely” over 500 is OVER 500, way better than Schiano. And Lovie did go 10-6 the year he got fired.
Bill Belichick went 36-44 with the Browns, don’t right somebody off on their first stint, things get learned.
Yeah. I LOLed .
Smith wasn’t the GM, Jerry Angelo was in charge of those drafts that didn’t bring in enough good players, he got fired too.
As a Viking fan, I was glad to see Tampa hire him, so he doesn’t come here.
Last year the Bears were simply the SECOND BEST team in the NFC Central. Go look at the stat's.
One of the things that got Lovie Smith fired was the fact that he was 1-0 against the Green Bay Packers. Ask any Chicago Bears fan -- that's not acceptable. Especially when you can't make the Playoff's without beating the Pack.
You really think .556 isn't that bad? I don't know what job you're in, but if I was only right 50% of the time I'd get FIRED. Thankfully for Chicago Bears fans, that's what happened to Smith. The Bears SHOULD HAVE fired him 3 years ago, but the milquetoast McCaskey family was afraid of being called RACISTS by Jesse Jackson. They had to let the clamor for Smith to get fired build before they did it.
True, the GM brings in the players but it’s the job/responsibility of the Head Coach to tell the GM what types of players he needs to field a winning team, is it not?
Lovie Smith changes coordinators like other head coaches change socks.
It’s never his fault, it’s always his offensive or defensive coordinator’s fault. And if his coordinator is too good, he’ll get rid of him to - see Ron Rivera.
Lovie Smith is not a good NFL Head Coach.
10-6 isn’t a bad record, yeah they missed the playoffs, but that happens, it takes a lot of bad luck for 10-6 to land you 3rd in the division. And it’s the NFC North.
It isn’t that bad. Sports isn’t like regular jobs. For one thing the entire league is structured to push teams TO a 500 record, that’s what the whole parity “any given Sunday” thing is all about, every team having a shot in every game. So being over 500 for a career means being BETTER than the goal of the sport.
They should have fired him 3 years ago?! You mean the year they went 11-5 and made it to the conference finals and probably would have won the game if the QB hadn’t gotten hurt? Really? I think your hatred of Smith has some fact based issues.
No. It’s the job of the GM to know the talent and whether they’re aging and where to spend the money and who to draft replacements for. The coach and GM need together to figure out what type of team they have and what they’re trying to field, but in the end the GM makes all personnel decisions and if the personnel are bad that’s on the GM not the coach.
Nope, facts are what they are. 11-5 was only because they were the best team in the worst division in the NFL and they got LUCKY. Go look at who they played that year along with those teams win/loss records. It was pretty damn hard for the Bears to NOT go 11-5.
.556 career w/Bears is NOT a winning record. Stats don't lie.
Bottom line: GM and Head Coach “figure it out together” as you said .... so Smith was culpable in bad personnel decisions. You and I can argue back and forth who’s more culpable, but the reality is “both of them.”
You’ve got an excuse for everything. You don’t fire a coach that goes 11-5 and makes it to the conference finals. You just don’t. And only a person that’s got unreasonable hate even thinks that.
Actually 556 IS a winning record, being as winning records are anything over 500. Like you said, stats don’t lie, and the stats say you’re full of crap. Have a nice day.
The bottom line is the GM makes personnel decisions. Actually the bottom line is they both got fired but Angelo is still out of a job which really tells you all you need to know.
Yeah, what happened to the Texans this year was a surprise to me.
BTW, why does that cheerleader have dirty knees and what appears to be an adams apple? (Nevermind, I don't want to know ...)
Yes, it says quite a bit. But then, Lovie Smith's the Buc's affirmative action hire as I said above.
You a Buc's fan?
WHY?... Because if you can't do it with Chicago then the odds of doing it in Tampa are far less. Tampa has ALWAYS been burdened with negative issues that no coach has been able to overcome.
Smith will make a lot of money but will NOT overcome the negative issues anymore than coach Schiano did.
That year the Bears were in the NFC title game there was an interesting anomaly...the team they beat to get there, the Seattle Seahawks, were statistically the worst playoff team in NFL history.
Tampa Bay won a Superbowl only a dozen years ago.
But the Seahawks had beaten the Saints in the WC round to advance. You don’t get to pick your opponents, you just gotta beat em.
I’m a Steelers fan, I’m also a realist that doesn’t let emotion get in the way. The reality is Lovie has had a couple of good seasons that show he might be able to bring a team to the promised land. He’s also had some not so good seasons, but even his not so good seasons aren’t that bad. His rookie was his worst year at 5-11, other than that 7-9 is his bottom, 3 playoff seasons, one SB appearance and another conference finals. It’s not a magical career, it won’t get him confused with one of the greats, but it’s not a bad career, and it’s a better career than a lot of highly regarded guys (look at Jeff Fisher’s record, a lot of folks think he’s one of the best .531 win percentage and a lot of missed playoffs).
Hiring Lovie isn’t affirmative action, he’s got potential. Unfortunately the Bucs have a systemic problem, no coach is taking them anywhere without some serious changes in the basic character of the team at all levels. This is a team with MRSA in the locker room, a field that disintegrates in the first quarter, and they’ve never given a QB a second contract, the team is a mess. The ghost of Lombardi couldn’t lead them to the promised land, they might as well bring the creamsicle uniforms back because that attitude has taken hold again.
Im also a realist that doesnt let emotion get in the way.
Ditto, and I let the FACTS speak for themselves. What you didn't see because you're not in the Chicago market was how Lovie Smith was allowed to always blame others for his failures (sound familiar? Just like the idiot in the White House.)
Lovie Smith changed offensive and defensive coordinators, blaming them for losses, etc.. I'm an "accountability starts from the top down" kinda guy. Lovie Smith was never held accountable until the very end.
As for the Bear's super bowl appearance under his reign, I'd say once again, go back and look at the Bears schedule for that year. They had an easy schedule, every Bears fan knew it. They got a few lucky breaks in the playoff's. The proof of how bad they really were that year was the butt whooping the Patriots gave them in the Super Bowl.
You say Lovie Smith's got potential? If the Buc's ownership is as screwed up as the Bears is (and it sounds like they are ...) I'd say Buccaneer's fans are in for a repeat performance, "Lovie Smith Part Deux in Tampa.
For all the ragging on Smith I do, the one thing he did with the Bears that I really liked was with the Defense. The Bears Defense learned how to score on turnovers. It was always fun to see Tillman for example get a pick and watch the Bears D score six as the Defense went into "offense" mode, set up blocks, etc.. That was classic Lovie Smith from his days with the Rams as Defensive coordinator. As much as I don't think he's head-coach material, I think he'd be a hell of a defensive coordinator.
BTW Lovie Smith's worst year (his rookie year) wasn't his fault -- we get to thank Dick Juaron for that. I think every new head coach gets at least two years to put their fingerprints on a team and own the results. Certainly their first year they're trying to figure out what they have, who's good/who's not and implement their system. So to me any new Head Coach's first year is likely a "write off" unless they inherit a heck of alot of talent (which Smith didn't.)
Part of your problem here is you want to give him all the blame and none of the credit. You insist every single loss was all on him and every single win was all on the opponents. You’ve made it personal and it’s making you silly. The FACTS do speak for themselves, and they say you’re wrong:
He’s got an over 500 record
3 trips to the playoffs in 8 years
2 trips to the conference finals
1 trip to the Super Bowl
He’s got better stats than half the coaches in the league. A lot of eyebrows were raised when he got fired, a lot of folks thought it was a mistake on the part of the Bears (who just finished a worse season than Lovie got fired for), and nobody expected he’d wait long for another job.
If Lovie’s performance in Tampa is a repeat of his performance in Chicago it will be a marked improvement over what they’ve been doing since the Pirate Bowl. They have 2 trips to the playoffs since then, both 1 and done in the Wild Card. They’re 73 and 103 since winning the SB, .414, if you can’t see why they’d look at .556 Lovie as an improvement you’ve allowed whatever he did to your cherios to destroy all logic.
And did they even come close to repeating?
They have continued to have negative issues and it was evident when Gruden left faster than how he came.
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