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Idaho state senator calls Article V convention planning session Ďa great startí
IdahoReporter.com ^ | December 11, 2013 | Austin Hill

Posted on 01/04/2014 12:29:11 PM PST by Da Bilge Troll

Discussing the possibility of amending the U.S. Constitution drew approximately 100 legislators from 32 states, according to an Idaho lawmaker who attended the event. He described it as “a great start.” The lawmakers gathered in Virginia at the Mount Vernon estate of President George Washington.

But, he added, a long process still lies ahead before amendments can even be drafted.

“It went very well, it’s a great start,” said Sen. Marv Hagedorn, R-Meridian. “The most exciting thing for me is that we have a good plan of action. This is not going to happen quickly, and we’re moving forward with full transparency.” Hagedorn was the only member of Idaho’s Legislature to attend the gathering.

Article V of the U.S. Constitution provides two paths by which the Constitution can be amended. One is through two-thirds of both chambers of the U.S. Congress authorizing an amendment, followed by ratification by three-fourths of the states. The other begins at the state level, where two-thirds of all the legislatures ask Congress to call “a convention for proposing amendments.”

In the latter scenario, states would send delegates to this convention to propose amendments. Then, three-fourths of the states would have to ratify any amendments approved by the convention, either by a vote of the legislatures or through special ratifying conventions.

As a precursor to a “convention for proposing amendments,” Wisconsin state Rep. Chris Kapenga, R-Delafield, organized the event the weekend of Dec. 7 at Mount Vernon. “I’m very happy with how it turned out,” Kapenga told IdahoReporter.com. “We were pleasantly surprised not only with the turnout, but with the discussion that took place. It was all very positive.”

Kapenga concurs with Hagedorn, in that he notes that a long, slow process lies ahead. “As a next step, we’ll be releasing a resolution very soon,” he explained. “We’ll do another meeting at the Indiana state Legislature in either the spring or early summer of 2014, and there we will plan a drafting conference.”

Kapenga stressed that the Mount Vernon meeting was intended only to confirm interest in amending the U.S. Constitution and to begin putting together a plan of action. “We were dealing with process, not subject matter,” he noted, adding that “there are absolutely no outside organizations involved in this, and if this happens it will be the will of the people as expressed by their state legislators.”

Hagedorn and Kapenga confirm that the gathering included both Democrats and Republicans, but that most of the legislators in attendance were Republicans. “One of the Democrats in attendance spoke up at the event and said that they wanted total transparency with this process, and I appreciated that,” Hagedorn said.

Prior to the Mount Vernon gathering, Rep. Grant Burgoyne, D-Boise, told IdahoReporter.com that he supports an amendment to the U.S. Constitution that would require the federal government to balance its budget (except in times of war and other emergencies).”

Sen. Curt McKenzie, R-Nampa, also favors a balanced budget amendment for the federal government, noting that “I definitely think there’s been a shift in the mindset among the people regarding states’ rights. People are more concerned about the expansive nature of our federal government and the need for the states to put some controls on it.”

While many legislators around the nation attribute “The Liberty Amendments,” a book from author and constitutional scholar Mark Levin, as providing inspiration for a convention, some legislators remain skeptical and even fearful of the idea.

“I have never been in favor of this,” Rep. Judy Boyle, R-Midvale, told IdahoReporter.com. “I am too fearful that it would be a runaway convention. People have tried to assure me that it won’t happen, but they haven’t convinced me. I don’t know that there would be amendments proposed at a convention like this, so much as there might be a complete change made to our Constitution. I know people mean well, but I’m not willing to risk our Constitution. I’m not sure that people who have the best interests of our freedoms at heart will be those who are appointed to be a delegate to a convention like this.”

Boyle is not alone in her opposition. “There is just no way to control the outcome of a convention,” agreed Sen. Monty Pearce, R-New Plymouth. “It’s difficult to see that we have sufficient numbers of principled people who would want to preserve our Constitution in the midst of a process like this.”

Despite opposition here at home, Hagedorn remains confident that a convention to propose amendments would be a productive thing. “For an amendment to the Constitution to happen, three-quarters of the states have to ratify that particular amendment,” he explained. “Each state has one equal vote. Each amendment would have to be ratified by 38 states. Thirty-eight states are not going to agree on something like, for example, radically changing the Second Amendment.”

Kapenga concurs with Hagedorn. “For anybody who looks at this process and has concerns, I’d tell them that the process, itself, is constitutional. I’d also ask ‘do you have a better solution?’ This is a constitutionally authorized action, there is no question about this.”

Both McKenzie and Hagedorn report that they are working on legislation to enable Idaho to move forward in the process during the 2014 legislative session.

A news report about the Mount Vernon event can be viewed here. An interview with one of the other event organizers who worked with Kapenga, Indiana Sen. David Long, R-Fort Wayne, can be viewed HERE


TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Extended News; Government; News/Current Events; US: Idaho
KEYWORDS: articlev; mtvernon
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1 posted on 01/04/2014 12:29:11 PM PST by Da Bilge Troll
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To: Jacquerie

ping


2 posted on 01/04/2014 12:30:53 PM PST by Da Bilge Troll (Defeatism is not a winning strategy!)
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To: Da Bilge Troll
“It’s difficult to see that we have sufficient numbers of principled people who would want to preserve our Constitution in the midst of a process like this.”

I share the concern. We can't even impeach a president that needs to be impeached. We lost Virginia by not showing up at the polls. All we needed was moderate turn out.

We need a uniter. Let's put CARSON/PALIN in the WH, and then we'll talk.

3 posted on 01/04/2014 12:38:14 PM PST by Salvavida (The restoration of the U.S.A. starts with filling the pews at every Bible-believing church.)
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To: Salvavida

No thank you on Carson.

2nd Amendment > all.


4 posted on 01/04/2014 12:40:16 PM PST by chris37 (Heartless.)
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To: Salvavida

Commissioners with virtue will be appointed to a COS, as well as commissioners without virtue. Given that they are appointed by state legislatures, with strict controls (see Indiana’s relevant legislation), and given one-state-one-vote, I believe the preponderance will be with virtuous reps. If it were not so, and we were to avoid a COS, then it is all but over anyways. If more populous states had more votes or if congress appoints reps, which is NOT the case, then there is cause for concern. And finally, there is the fact that whatever amendments were to be proposed... the 3/4 ratification requirement by state legislatures insures that whatever is the result, the current Constitution will stand... and be fortified in its ability to rally itself against erosion and progressivism.


5 posted on 01/04/2014 12:54:04 PM PST by C210N (When people fear government there is tyranny; when government fears people there is liberty)
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To: Da Bilge Troll
Before we go on to change our constitution we need to do everything that is needed to force our president congress and courts to follow the constitution we now have.

They refuse to honor their responsibilities now so what is there to make anyone believe that they will honor the next one?

I have always looked at the people who want to dissolve our nation and form several smaller countries as more than a little off the mark. Then I listened to the new Mayor of NYC in his communist rant during his swearing in ceremony. Really he is stating that he wants a communist situation in NYC. He is telling everyone that he intends to have this communism as soon as he can make it happen. He even wants us to believe that somehow taking a ride in a horse drawn carriage is a great economic sin that denotes us as racists or salve owners. SCREW HIM.

We have become a different people. There are now the liberals who live in the beehive cities who believe that their way of life is all that there is in this country. Their way of life is all that matters or all that can possibly be important. They are wrong but way to limited in vision to understand this. I would ask these people to take a few seconds and think about where their food water and power comes from. They also need to ask themselves where all their waste goes when they have consumed all the things that the cities are forced to import.

After they take a few seconds to realize that they are not self sufficient but totally dependent on the people they want to deny importance to then need to ask themselves one more question. What will happen to the cities if for five days everything going into and out of their cities was just stopped. Nothing in and nothing out. No trucks bringing food, no water in the pipes or canals, no power in the big tower lines, and no waste water or garbage going out.

They seem to think we have no value and our opinions and votes should not or do not count. Sooner or later we will have to demonstrate to them that they are badly mistaken.

Splitting up our nation is not something I want to see happen but I'm beginning to believe that it is the only way for rural America to survive in liberty and freedom.

We don't need a new constitution for all, we need the cities to have one of their own. We will keep the one we have.

6 posted on 01/04/2014 12:55:22 PM PST by oldenuff2no
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To: Da Bilge Troll

Another state on board.


7 posted on 01/04/2014 1:17:01 PM PST by TBP (Obama lies, Granny dies.)
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To: Resolute Conservative; VerySadAmerican; Nuc 1.1; MamaTexan; Political Junkie Too; jeffc; 1010RD; ...

Article V ping!


8 posted on 01/04/2014 1:26:50 PM PST by Jacquerie (Watch Mark Levin tomorrow! Sunday at noon on C-Span InDepth)
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To: oldenuff2no

A little off topic, but I think the first thing that must be done, before anything else, is to bring about an end to voter fraud. That should be on the front burner for all of us, unless of course for those who ardent communists, the status quo is working well for them!


9 posted on 01/04/2014 1:35:06 PM PST by erkelly (Never underestimate the stupidity of the stupid party!)
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To: Salvavida

The amendment ratification process ensures protection of our liberty. The convention can only propose amendments it cannot implement them. This protects us from a runaway convention.


10 posted on 01/04/2014 1:35:54 PM PST by Nuc 1.1 (Nuc 1 Liberals aren't Patriots. Remember 1789!)
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To: oldenuff2no

The COS’s purpose is to Keep and Restore our current Constitution. Conservatives have been trying to get congress to “do everything that is needed to force our president congress and courts to follow the constitution we now have...” BUT, in spite of all that, its gotten only worse. MUCH worse. The COS, IMHO, *IS* the next step (before, as you state, we resort to break-up... or CW-III). The COS will not change one word or punctuation mark of the Constitution. It WILL add amendments, and some may change prior amendments (eg, repeal of the progressive’s 17th amendment).

I know “They refuse to honor their responsibilities now...”, but *they* are still on the surface abiding by it while stretching the envelope and finding any rational to get around it. We need to propose amendments to tighten up the language, put in place term limits, require budget with an amendment rather than legislation, and so on. If this were not so, then the game is over, and go directly to CW-III/break-up. BUT, I do not believe that is the case yet... (and, fwiw, I’m in a behind-enemy-line state!).


11 posted on 01/04/2014 1:36:35 PM PST by C210N (When people fear government there is tyranny; when government fears people there is liberty)
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To: oldenuff2no; Da Bilge Troll
Before we go on to change our constitution we need to do everything that is needed to force our president congress and courts to follow the constitution we now have.

If the masterminds on the Potomac followed the constitution, there wouldn't be need for an Article V amendment convention, nor for FreeRepublc.

As a plan of limited government the constitution is gone. It is way beyond time to restore it. There is no guarantee that will happen.

They refuse to honor their responsibilities now so what is there to make anyone believe that they will honor the next one?

Through structural changes of the sort that cannot be ignored. The first reform is to boot the popularly derived demagogues from the senate and return the senate to the states. James Madison determined this vertical separation of power between the states and the new government they created was central to securing our liberty. He was right and we have suffered mightily from the mistake of the 17th Amendment.

DaBilgetroll has two great links in his post. Here at ConventionofStates.com in the right sidebar are FAQ.

12 posted on 01/04/2014 1:41:49 PM PST by Jacquerie (Watch Mark Levin tomorrow! Sunday at noon on C-Span InDepth)
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To: Da Bilge Troll
Hagedorn and McKenzie are GOPe-Idaho. They are no more trustworthy than Lindsey Gramnesty and Insane McCain on the national level. On the opposite side of the coin, Judy Boyle has her head screwed on straight, so I'm not surprised that she's opposed to a ConCon.

The answer to our problems is to return to the Constitution we already have, not to throw everything on the table and give the Commies a change to steal our God-given rights. The states could do it if they'd band together and remind Congress and the White Hut who made whom.

Scouts Out! Cavalry Ho!

13 posted on 01/04/2014 1:47:03 PM PST by wku man (We are the 53%! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YUXN0GDuLN4)
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To: Jacquerie
The first reform is to boot the popularly derived demagogues from the senate and return the senate to the states. James Madison determined this vertical separation of power between the states and the new government they created was central to securing our liberty. He was right and we have suffered mightily from the mistake of the 17th Amendment.

Obviously, I support repealing the 17th Amendment (and the 16th). However, we need other Constitutional reforms (e.g., Congressional term limits). No one reform should be seen as a panacea.

14 posted on 01/04/2014 1:49:05 PM PST by Repeal 16-17 (Let me know when the Shooting starts.)
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To: Salvavida
While I admire Ben Carson for many things, I don't think he'd make a good POTUS candidate. I do think Ben Carson would make a great cabinet choice (on a Palin or Cruz admin ;) as HHS or Surgeon General (non-Cabinet).
15 posted on 01/04/2014 1:49:50 PM PST by Jane Long (While Marxists continue the fundamental transformation of the USA, progressive RINOs assist!)
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To: oldenuff2no

>>Before we go on to change our constitution we need to do everything that is needed to force our president congress and courts to follow the constitution we now have.<<

Exactly right.

Why change everything when we can simply enforce laws already on the books? We can’t just change everything that’s good. We have to fight like hell to keep it.


16 posted on 01/04/2014 1:54:40 PM PST by HelloooClareece ("We make war that we may live in peace". Aristotle)
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To: oldenuff2no

We will keep the one we have.


They aren’t letting us.


17 posted on 01/04/2014 1:56:20 PM PST by txhurl
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To: erkelly
A little off topic, but I think the first thing that must be done, before anything else, is to bring about an end to voter fraud. That should be on the front burner for all of us, unless of course for those who ardent communists, the status quo is working well for them!

Exactly. The Rats have a few districts in each swing state where they can generate all the votes they want and no one even questions the fact that there are many more votes than residents in these districts. We'll never win again if this is not fixed.

18 posted on 01/04/2014 1:59:54 PM PST by Partisan Gunslinger
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To: oldenuff2no
The amendatory process under Article V consists of three steps: Proposal, Disposal, and Ratification.

Proposal:

There are two ways to propose an amendment to the Constitution.

Article V gives Congress and an Amendments Convention exactly the same power to propose amendments, no more and no less.

Disposal:

Once Congress, or an Amendments Convention, proposes amendments, Congress must decide whether the states will ratify by the:

The State Ratifying Convention Method has only been used twice: once to ratify the Constitution, and once to ratify the 21st Amendment repealing Prohibition.

Ratification:

Depending upon which ratification method is chosen by Congress, either the state legislatures vote up-or-down on the proposed amendment, or the voters elect a state ratifying convention to vote up-or-down. If three-quarters of the states vote to ratify, the amendment becomes part of the Constitution.

Forbidden Subjects:

Article V contains two explicitly forbidden subjects and one implicitly forbidden subject.

Explicitly forbidden:

Implicity forbidden:

I have two reference works for those interested.

The first is from the American Legislative Exchange Council, a conservative pro-business group. This document has been sent to every state legislator in the country.

Proposing Constitutional Amendments by a Convention of the States: A Handbook for State Lawmakers

The second is a 1973 report from the American Bar Association attempting to identify gray areas in the amendatory process to include an Amendments Convention. It represents the view of the ruling class of 40 years ago. While I dislike some of their conclusions, they have laid out the precedents that may justify those conclusions. What I respect is the comprehensive job they did in locating all the gray areas. They went so far as to identify a gray area that didn't pop up until the Equal Rights Amendment crashed and burned a decade later. Even if you find yourself in disagreement with their vision, it's worth reading to see the view of the ruling class toward the process.

Report of the ABA Special Constitutional Convention Study Committee

19 posted on 01/04/2014 2:01:18 PM PST by Publius ("Who is John Galt?" by Billthedrill and Publius now available at Amazon.)
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To: HelloooClareece
Why change everything when we can simply enforce laws already on the books?

Because the federal government couldn't care less about the Constitution. How do you propose we get the feds to obey it? The entire federal government is a runaway Con-Con. An Article V Convention at least gives us a chance to counter the feds.

20 posted on 01/04/2014 2:02:11 PM PST by Repeal 16-17 (Let me know when the Shooting starts.)
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To: Publius

bttt


21 posted on 01/04/2014 2:03:13 PM PST by txhurl
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To: Repeal 16-17
Everything after repeal of the 17th is icing on the cake. Because of it, we overnight went from a federal republic to a democratic republic of the very sort our Framers' plan avoided. By it, the national government was consolidated in DC rather than dispersed among the states. It so much as invited an eventual Obama to come along and wrap himself with despotic powers.

Yes, the 16th amendment, made ridiculously progressive is also a horrible affront to a once free people.

22 posted on 01/04/2014 2:03:53 PM PST by Jacquerie (Watch Mark Levin tomorrow! Sunday at noon on C-Span InDepth)
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To: erkelly
I think the first thing that must be done, before anything else, is to bring about an end to voter fraud.

I want to see purple fingers brought to the USA. Do away with massive absentee voting and make real people show up at the polls, and then make them dip their finger in ink.

I want to see how many gardeners and leaf blowers, who can't speak English, have purple fingers after election day.

-PJ

23 posted on 01/04/2014 2:52:02 PM PST by Political Junkie Too (If you are the Posterity of We the People, then you are a Natural Born Citizen.)
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To: C210N
Well put. I agree.

The Constitution must be amended in such ways that will FORCE obedience by D.C. politicians by eliminating wiggle room and that will also reduce the power and influence of the federal bureaucracy.

Make careers in Washington unattractive to power-hungry, greedy snake oil salesmen. If your blood isn't already boiling, read Peter Schweizer's book, Extortion. Then watch Mark Levin on CSpan-2 tomorrow at noon.

24 posted on 01/04/2014 2:53:58 PM PST by ForMyChildren
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To: Political Junkie Too

I want to see how many gardeners and leaf blowers, who can’t speak English, have purple fingers after election day.


That purple ink would solve all our fraud problems, only military gets to vote absentee, and make that purple ink last three weeks so they can’t vote in early then general.

As a FReeper said, Vote Fraud will come to screeching halt when it is determined to benefit republicans.


25 posted on 01/04/2014 3:37:36 PM PST by txhurl
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To: Da Bilge Troll

That’s a mistake. That box doesn’t even need to be shaken, much less opened.


26 posted on 01/04/2014 3:48:39 PM PST by elkfersupper
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To: Salvavida

Carson/Palin? How about Cruz/Palin?


27 posted on 01/04/2014 4:08:03 PM PST by Old Yeller
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To: Da Bilge Troll
“I have never been in favor of this,” Rep. Judy Boyle, R-Midvale, told IdahoReporter.com. “I am too fearful that it would be a runaway convention. People have tried to assure me that it won’t happen, but they haven’t convinced me. I don’t know that there would be amendments proposed at a convention like this, so much as there might be a complete change made to our Constitution. I know people mean well, but I’m not willing to risk our Constitution. "

She is 100% correct. A CC would be the end of America as we have known it.

28 posted on 01/04/2014 4:15:55 PM PST by Straight Vermonter (Posting from deep behind the Maple Curtain)
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To: Jacquerie

“The first reform is to boot the popularly derived demagogues from the senate and return the senate to the states. James Madison determined this vertical separation of power between the states and the new government they created was central to securing our liberty.”

How ‘bout a different perspective? Perhaps the Constitution itself was not designed to secure liberty. Or as Patrick Henry noted in his refusal to attend the Constitutional convention that he “smelt a rat in Philadelphia, tending toward the monarchy.”


29 posted on 01/04/2014 4:16:35 PM PST by RKBA Democrat (Having some small say in who gets to hold the whip doesn't make you any less a slave.)
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To: Old Yeller
Cruz is still a Canadian citizen. Carson would do what Herman Cain should have done: make it mathematically impossible to lose. Cruz and Carson have different styles, and Carson is, in my opinion, the style we need for wider appeal to sell certain ideas (yes, we need to convert some demo rats).

Don't mistake me, I love me some Cruz. But I want the sure thing.We cannot afford to lose next time. The demographics are not in our favor.

30 posted on 01/04/2014 4:22:09 PM PST by Salvavida (The restoration of the U.S.A. starts with filling the pews at every Bible-believing church.)
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To: Straight Vermonter
A CC would be the end of America as we have known it.

We already have a Con-Con. It's called the federal government. An Article V Convention would be a way to counter the Con-Con that is the federal government.

31 posted on 01/04/2014 5:02:03 PM PST by Repeal 16-17 (Let me know when the Shooting starts.)
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To: Salvavida

We have a runaway Constitutional crisis every time Obama issues EOs, his departments spew reams of new regulations—and everytime the US Supreme Court meets.

Washington will NOT reform itself. And the window of opportunity for restoring our Constitution is closing. Once the Amnesty Tsnuami turns Red States Blue, FUGGET ABOUDIT.


32 posted on 01/05/2014 4:41:07 AM PST by SC_Pete
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To: Salvavida

We now have a red state advantage. The amnesty bomb is designed to blow that up. The window is closing on America. It’s now or never. No individual can save us—only We the People can do that now. The greater risk is in doing nothing.


33 posted on 06/14/2014 4:59:57 AM PDT by SC_Pete
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