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ADHD does not exist [article says symptoms are real, but are caused by other things]
New York Post ^ | January 4, 2014 | Kyle Smith

Posted on 01/04/2014 11:11:27 PM PST by grundle

In private practice, Saul found himself wondering, what other problems do these patients have besides being easily distracted? One girl he treated, it turned out, was being disruptive in class because she couldn’t see the blackboard. Correct diagnois: myopia. She needed glasses, not drugs.

A 36-year-old man who complained about his addiction to online games and guessed he had ADHD, it turned out, was drinking too much coffee and sleeping only four to five hours a night. Correct diagnosis: sleep deprivation. He needed blackout shades, a white-noise machine and a program that shut all his devices off at midnight.

A young man who asked, “Can’t you just ask me a few questions and write me a prescription?” simply left the office when Saul started probing too deeply into whatever was ailing him.

One by one, nearly all of Saul’s patients turned out to have some disease other than ADHD, such as Tourette’s, OCD, fragile X syndrome (a genetic mutation linked to mental retardation), autism, fetal alcohol syndrome, learning disabilities or such familiar conditions as substance abuse, poor hearing or even giftedness. A boy who was disruptive and inattentive in math class (but no other) was, simply, bored by the material and needed to be advanced a grade to regain his concentration.

In a few cases, there was simply no diagnosis. One adult who thought she had ADHD and had been prescribed stimulants by another doctor got a different take from Saul. He advised her to instead return to her habit of exercising regularly and cut back on work hours.

“I now realize it wasn’t ADHD,” she told him later, pleased with the progress she made as a result. “It was just life.”

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1 posted on 01/04/2014 11:11:27 PM PST by grundle
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missing the point. 90 per cent of adhd “symptoms” are normal behavior. 10 year old boy fidgets while sitting 8 hours in one place. no friggin kidding.
I may do my thesis on adhd is an excuse to tranquilize a good portion of the white Christian male population.


2 posted on 01/04/2014 11:16:44 PM PST by willywill
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To: willywill

Actually, 90% of ADHD symptoms are lousy diet. Fill a kid up on starch and sugar and he’ll be hyper for an hour then grouchy and irritable for two. We need to get over our phobia about fat and return to feeding our kids actual food.


3 posted on 01/04/2014 11:22:41 PM PST by jdege
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To: willywill
an excuse to tranquilize a good portion of the white Christian male population.

Don't forget the access to pot we can now drug them up with in some states. Ain't this a wonderful country?

4 posted on 01/04/2014 11:23:23 PM PST by laweeks
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To: jdege

My father ate a diet rich in animal fat, eggs and traditional meat and potatoes type stuff. He was slim and trim until the day he died. I eat salad, veggies and all the recommended stuff constantly and battle weight constantly, even though I also go out of my way to exercise. I swear there is something they are adding to or taking out of today’s food.


5 posted on 01/04/2014 11:39:56 PM PST by Vigilanteman (Obama: Fake black man. Fake Messiah. Fake American. How many fakes can you fit in one Zer0?)
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To: Vigilanteman

You had 2 parents did you inherit your body type from your mothers side of the family?


6 posted on 01/04/2014 11:45:03 PM PST by Ditter
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To: grundle
I never bought into it except, if I ever thought I'd like to get strung out on drugs again, it was an available tactic ..

“I now realize it wasn’t ADHD,” she told him later, pleased with the progress she made as a result. “It was just life.

7 posted on 01/04/2014 11:48:59 PM PST by knarf (I say things that are true .. I have no proof .. but they're true.)
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To: Vigilanteman

A multitude of neurodegenerative disorders share the common element of accelerated grey matter shrinkage caused by excess intracellular iron: Alzheimer’s, Huntington’s, Parkinson’s, etc. ADHD is one of those disorders that becomes obvious earlier. Dozens of studies have documented this abnormal grey matter shrinkage.


8 posted on 01/04/2014 11:50:35 PM PST by kruss3
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To: grundle

9 posted on 01/04/2014 11:53:36 PM PST by Mad Dawgg (If you're going to deny my 1st Amendment rights then I must proceed to the 2nd one...)
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To: grundle

I know people in my family who have a variety of odd symptoms. Some of them run to the doctor and get steadily worse and worse to the point of near incapacity and others go “whoa, that’s weird” shake it off and get on with it.

The ones who have depended on doctors over the last twenty years are in sad shape. The ones who just got on with it are normal as far as anyone can tell. There are others somewhere in between.

Doctors are great if you get shot or your legs broke or you’re in a car wreck. They know what to do. If there is something weird going on, though, they’re pretty hopeless. They tend to just medicate you and then medicate the side effects and then medicate those combined side effects.


10 posted on 01/05/2014 12:01:25 AM PST by marron
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To: grundle

I am not surprised by his findings. As an educator with a background in psychology, I argued much the same thing to my professors.


11 posted on 01/05/2014 12:05:29 AM PST by VietVet (I am old enough to know who I am and what I believe, and I 'm not inclined to apologize for any of)
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To: grundle
A boy who was disruptive and inattentive in math class (but no other) was, simply, bored by the material and needed to be advanced a grade to regain his concentration.

This I'm not buyin'. Makes no sense to me as a lifetime math nerd.

12 posted on 01/05/2014 12:10:23 AM PST by dr_lew
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To: dr_lew

“This I’m not buyin’. Makes no sense to me as a lifetime math nerd. “

Then let me explain it in simpler terms:

The kid already knew the material. They were boring him to death with simple math when he wanted to learn more.

How many times can one listen to some idiot repeat that 2X2 = 4?

Get it now?


13 posted on 01/05/2014 12:17:06 AM PST by Nik Naym (It's not my fault... I have compulsive smartass disorder.)
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To: grundle

http://mrs-obvious.hubpages.com/hub/ODD-ADHD-Bipolar-and-real-hope

niacin success story for kid with adhd


14 posted on 01/05/2014 12:26:54 AM PST by dennisw (The first principle is to find out who you are then you can achieve anything -- Buddhist monk)
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To: willywill
"normal behavior"

Ditto. You're taking young boys who were meant to be active, making them sit in a desk for eight hours, and a number of them won't be disruptive? My belief is ADHD and Ritalin are means for educators, who don't understand young boys, to "quiet" said young boys. While I didn't disrupt classes in grade school, I barely paid attention to my teachers. Too boring. The only thing I liked about school was the library and recess. I did manage to read a lot of the books in the school library.

15 posted on 01/05/2014 12:30:41 AM PST by driftless2
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To: grundle

Much of our disorder in health is caused by GMO food our bodies have a hard time recognizing odd code.

Find an Amish farmer in your area who kids haven’t sold out

Some like to say it is the vegans against GMO will I am no vegan for I love my meat.

when you start to feel in control of you body by eating the way mother nature put it together you know their is an enemy among us.

Genetic Roulette http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dODdVmvOVF8

Look for grass fed meat same with milk and butter, eggs
The corn they use today is GMO

get back to Saturated fats it is good for you brain power

Big Fat Lies http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v8WA5wcaHp4

It is not easy to make the switch but when you feel bad you are reminded there are options out there the left is messing with out foods and some Republicans too maybe they were ignorant at first but it still is out there bad food.

Big Fat Lies http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v8WA5wcaHp4

This is about the government arresting you if you sell real food we are suppose to stay on the GMO diet

Farmageddon http://tinyurl.com/n3jlwuk

King Corn http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nvMxIEgbsIo

Enjoy Eating Saturated Fats: They’re Good for You. Donald W. Miller http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vRe9z32NZHY

The Oiling of America- she is excellent http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fvKdYUCUca8

McDonald’s, the meat industry, and chickens (from Food, Inc)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a3P5tmkjHa8

Chicken factories
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=enwU5jIXSlU


16 posted on 01/05/2014 12:33:41 AM PST by restornu (Love One Another)
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To: Nik Naym

I went through all that. I was not disruptive in class. You’re misstating the case to say that someone was standing in front of the class endlessly repeating 2X2=4 . ... Oh, you didn’t mean it literally? Then what did you mean?

In my case I recall long division tests. A friend of mine and I had races to see who could complete them the quickest as we sat next to each other in fifth grade. I was doing them one by one, and he hit upon a mass production technique, where he drew all the division signs first, then filled in the dividends, then the divisors, then the quotients, aka answers ... it was all the same.

Of course, we were sitting in the front of the class, and one time the teacher decided to cut the quiz short, just to catch him out, since he hadn’t filled in any answers yet. Brutal.


17 posted on 01/05/2014 12:36:21 AM PST by dr_lew
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To: grundle

Mis-diagnosis? Sure, possible and not uncommon. But,
don’t try to tell me that ADHD does not exist. Often it exists
along with other afflictions. Many of you are missing the
HD part of ADHD in this discussion. Yes, sometimes medication
is over prescribed for some but for others it helps them to
lead a closer to normal life. I have worked with Severely
Emotionally Distubed youth who are at-risk in a residental
setting for most of the past sixteen years and I know what
I am talking about.


18 posted on 01/05/2014 12:44:24 AM PST by Sivad (NorCal red turf)
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To: dr_lew

“Then what did you mean?”

I meant they were boring the kid.

You said you didn’t get it, and I was spelling it out for you.

But now I get it: you didn’t really mean you didn’t get it. You were just trying to brag about what a friggin’ genius you were.


19 posted on 01/05/2014 12:56:04 AM PST by Nik Naym (It's not my fault... I have compulsive smartass disorder.)
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To: willywill

Sounds to me like they’re forcing kids to take pills to cure childhood...


20 posted on 01/05/2014 1:04:47 AM PST by varmintman
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To: grundle

Truth be told, school is such unnatural torture for boys, that they have to drug the kids up to get them to endure it.

And adults are treated the same way.


21 posted on 01/05/2014 1:20:01 AM PST by Age of Reason
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To: jdege

“Actually, 90% of ADHD symptoms are lousy diet. Fill a kid up on starch and sugar and he’ll be hyper for an hour then grouchy and irritable for two. We need to get over our phobia about fat and return to feeding our kids actual food.”

And the distractions are due to over-stimulation of the senses. When I went to public school there was a number line, the alphabet in both print and cursive and probably a chart with stars lit for how well you are doing hanging on the wall. Today the walls in both the class and hallways are littered with crap.

Get a kid wired on sugar, bore him to death and do it in an environment where his eyes and mind are wandering and you have the making of an ADHD kid. Add in it becomes a habit and there you go.


22 posted on 01/05/2014 1:21:27 AM PST by EQAndyBuzz ("The GOP fights its own base with far more vigor than it employs in fighting the Dims.")
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To: grundle

literally had this conversation with a friend 3 weeks ago. His son is diagnosed and we spoke about the fact neither of us believed that the medical community could be correct diagnosing more and more cases every year.


23 posted on 01/05/2014 1:41:16 AM PST by wiggen (The teacher card. When the racism card just won't work.)
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To: willywill

I’ve always thought that Ritalin was a substitute for providing discipline and the vigilance that needs to go with it.

I also think that those who so freely dispense drugs like this to children will hamper their freedom of choice in the future.

This government is intent on mind control and behavior modification of its population. The day will come when past prescriptions for drugs like this will be use to disqualify the individual for certain things, say guns, for one.


24 posted on 01/05/2014 1:42:30 AM PST by Gaffer
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To: grundle
It's much more likely Central Auditory Processing Disorders compounded by sensory saturation. Primary cause? Childhood allergies especially sinus allergies and childhood chronic ear infections. The condition has likely always existed. But the sensory bombardment hasn't. Some kids with CAPD only have an hour or two concentration daily. Some have as little as a few minutes. Classrooms are set with tables scattered about the room rather than desk in a row thus these kids can not read the teachers lips. Kids with this often read lips faster then they can process them through their auditory system. The suspected kids need to see an Audiologist or Speech Pathologist to be tested for this.
25 posted on 01/05/2014 1:50:20 AM PST by cva66snipe ((Two Choices left for U.S. One Nation Under GOD or One Nation Under Judgment? Which one say ye?))
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To: grundle

alot of children acting out from dysfunctional family get this diagnosis instead of the entire family getting family therapy.


26 posted on 01/05/2014 1:50:57 AM PST by RginTN
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To: dr_lew

I went to school in the late 40’s through 1960 when I graduated HS. The term ADHD did not exist nor can I (or anyone I know) recall any examples of this phenomenon during our time at school. Where there disruptive kids? Sure every once in a great while, but they were easily silenced with a stare and a word from the teacher to settle down and pay attention.

Back then kids had RESPECT for the teacher and knew they would be held accountable for their actions. Kids worst fears were realized when they were sent home and could not return until Mom or Dad brought them in for a visit with the Principal.

And forget trying blame the teacher or anyone else for your misbehavior. If the teacher said you were acting in a disruptive way in class then it was case closed and guilty as charged...PERIOD. When kids are sent home today Mom and dad return with an attorney demanding an apology because their little sweetums is a “good” boy (or girl)

The education system today sucks because kids KNOW they can get away with just about anything and the teachers themselves have no sense of what constitutes correct behavior and it’s impact on the teaching environment.


27 posted on 01/05/2014 1:53:07 AM PST by billyboy15
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To: cva66snipe

I watched a doctor testing my son. She asked him to touch his thumb with his finger. It took almost a minute for him to respond. Later in the test she said, “Do this” touching her thumb with her finger. He did so instantly.

She showed us how auditory language processing in him is very slow, but other processing is not.

Unfortunately none of the schools in Charlotte would work with him.


28 posted on 01/05/2014 2:02:14 AM PST by gitmo (If your theology doesn't become your biography, what good is it?)
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To: Vigilanteman

I was diagnosed with adult add years ago. I tried taking the meds and it scared me. It was like objects were moving in slow motion even as I was driving. I noticed every sign, every car, every tag, it was quite scary. So I didn’t take them anymore. I did however go off gluten, not sure whether it’s some additive in bread and wheat or the wheat itself... but a fog lifted. It was wonderful as I had returned to school and in chem 2. I haven’t found a good answer, I just don’t see things in detail. Thankfully I have a job that requires strict ability to multi- task. I call myself a multi- tasker, not a multi- finisher. I guess God made my blissfully ignorant of the minutia of life for His reason.


29 posted on 01/05/2014 2:07:25 AM PST by momincombatboots (Back to West by G-d Virginia.)
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To: gitmo
I was born with it and severe sinus allergies did more damage. The thing about CAPD is schools aren't interested because there's no big money in it like ADD ADHD. CAPD usually requires an organized classroom where the students always face the teacher. As such there is no medication for CAPD except maybe trying a mild antihistamine. That has shown to help many kids with this. BTW this is permanent and something that is never outgrown as it is damage somewhere in the Cerebellar/Vestibular sensory processing/interpretation system.
30 posted on 01/05/2014 2:11:24 AM PST by cva66snipe ((Two Choices left for U.S. One Nation Under GOD or One Nation Under Judgment? Which one say ye?))
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To: gitmo

BTW special education schools used to work with kids with this. I spent my 7th and 8th grade in one.


31 posted on 01/05/2014 2:14:05 AM PST by cva66snipe ((Two Choices left for U.S. One Nation Under GOD or One Nation Under Judgment? Which one say ye?))
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To: cva66snipe

My son’s is caused by a malformation of his brain. Cortical dysplacia.


32 posted on 01/05/2014 2:16:18 AM PST by gitmo (If your theology doesn't become your biography, what good is it?)
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To: gitmo

The school systems of today aren’t set up to deal with kids born with disabilities. The Polio epdemic of the 1950’s brought about such schools. Liberals mainstreaming starting in the late 1980’s moving kids that needed help into regular schools where teachers were not really trained or gifted to deal with it. The special education schools really worked and made a huge difference.


33 posted on 01/05/2014 3:07:37 AM PST by cva66snipe ((Two Choices left for U.S. One Nation Under GOD or One Nation Under Judgment? Which one say ye?))
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To: marron
Remember that 50% of all doctors graduated in the bottom half of their class.

And one of the best ways to stay healthy is to stay as far away from these pill pushing quacks as possible.

34 posted on 01/05/2014 3:26:25 AM PST by metesky (Brethren, leave us go amongst them! - Rev. Capt. Samuel Johnston Clayton - Ward Bond, The Searchers)
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To: gitmo
This sounds a lot like my son. He is behind his classmates until we show him how to do something. He instantly masters the task and then needs absolutely no remediation the next time he's asked to do the task. At that point he is actually functioning above his peer group. It's quite amazing to watch him function so much differently than other children. He gets frustrated because he can't use words to properly express what's going on in his brain. He knows what he wants to say, he just sometimes can't express it properly. Twenty or thirty years ago he would be labeled and placed in special ed. Now his (private preschool) teachers and nuns think he might be a genius.
35 posted on 01/05/2014 3:56:45 AM PST by goodwithagun (My gun has killed fewer people than Ted Kennedy's car.)
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To: jdege
We've discovered, through trial and error, that complex carbs actually help our son. Homemade 100% whole wheat bread and sliced apples, for example, do wonders for him. We also tend to eat a higher fat diet. In addition to whole fruits and vegetables for snacks, the kids love almonds and cashews. A typical dietitian would probably freak out at the amount of fat. Funny thing is, we aren't fat. My son absolutely cannot have artificial flavors and colors. Red food dye is the worst for him. For very special treats we give them Unreal candy that I buy at Target: non-GMO, no hydrogenated oils, no high fructose corn syrup, no artificial colors/flavors/sweeteners, and minimal soy.
36 posted on 01/05/2014 4:01:26 AM PST by goodwithagun (My gun has killed fewer people than Ted Kennedy's car.)
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To: grundle

I am surprised television isn’t mentioned here; a friend who teaches says many children have an attention span as long as a television commercial (as a result of watching constantly). IMHO there is no doubt TV is linked to ADD.


37 posted on 01/05/2014 4:24:09 AM PST by kearnyirish2 (Affirmative action is economic war against white males (and therefore white families).)
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To: kruss3

bttt


38 posted on 01/05/2014 4:59:09 AM PST by petercooper ("I was for letting people keep their health insurance, before I wasn't". --- Barack Obama)
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To: willywill

exactly. Too many teachers urged parents to have their kids checked out and parents fell for it. Doctors should be taken to task for this fake diagnosis. Now autism has taken the place of ADHD as the diagnosis du jour and ADHD isn’t “cool” anymore. sigh....


39 posted on 01/05/2014 5:06:21 AM PST by bonfire
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To: grundle

So glad I missed the whole prescription drug craze. I was considered “disruptive” because I was bored out of my mind and needed to joke around as an outlet to keep myself sane.


40 posted on 01/05/2014 5:22:20 AM PST by BinaryBoy (Socialism is slavery.)
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To: dr_lew; Nik Naym

Think of it this way.

Many of us went through the same thing ‘in class’. Teachers constantly accused me of daydreaming (which I was), but I made top grades. I was daydreaming because I was bored. I was ‘ahead of the curve’ (even though most of the time I had the ‘best’ teachers). So likely, were you.

BUT..... at home, I was challenged constantly. I was provided with the tools (many times LITERALLY) to keep my mind (and hands) busy.

If you had parents (or only one parent) who had to work a job and keep up the house and pay the bills and they don’t have or get the time to spend ‘challenging’ you (or buying you educational toys and projects), what are you left to do with your very active mind ?

This leads to real frustration for the child, the parent(s) and the teachers. The child takes out that frustration where he(she) can, and that is often on the teacher and the other students.


41 posted on 01/05/2014 5:28:38 AM PST by UCANSEE2 (I forgot what my tagline was supposed to say)
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To: Nik Naym; dr_lew
You were just trying to brag about what a friggin’ genius you were.

Didn't you know? Everyone on FR is a friggin' genius.

": )

42 posted on 01/05/2014 5:36:17 AM PST by UCANSEE2 (I forgot what my tagline was supposed to say)
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To: marron
Doctors are great if you get shot or your legs broke or you’re in a car wreck ..

Agreement

43 posted on 01/05/2014 5:45:20 AM PST by tomkat
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To: grundle

Call it whatever you want, my son has it. It may be some other known problem that is misdiagnosed, but he has many of the classic signs of ADHD.

First off, he was NOT disruptive in class nor “out of control”.

The symptom that clued us in was when he was reading, he would skip every third or forth word. For example - “For score and seven ago our fa on this continent a new na conceived in to the proposition that all created equal.”

He knew and could pronounce the words individually. But as he was reading them, he would skip over words.

Of course he had the classic signs of being SUPER easily distracted.

You could give him his medication and within about 20 minutes, he could read through the Gettysburg Address without skipping a beat. He could sit down and do his homework with no problems.

Whatever it is, it is real. Don’t let pieces like this fool you.


44 posted on 01/05/2014 5:46:03 AM PST by Bryan24 (When in doubt, move to the right..........)
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To: UCANSEE2; Nik Naym; dr_lew
Everyone on FR is a friggin' genius


tru dat

45 posted on 01/05/2014 5:48:46 AM PST by tomkat (lol)
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To: jdege

“We need to get over our phobia about fat and return to feeding our kids actual food.”

Amen!


46 posted on 01/05/2014 5:50:24 AM PST by vladimir998
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To: Vigilanteman

You are right. They are taking nutrients out of today’s food. There’s that old saying about stop and smell the roses but today’s roses don’t have much smell. It’s the same as food in the grocery store doesn’t have as many nutrients as it once did. This week, I was looking around online at what the local farmers markets were selling and it’s mainly the GMO/hybrid/improved garbage that is sold for eye candy. Here are a couple of scary links:

http://www.nytimes.com/2013/05/26/opinion/sunday/breeding-the-nutrition-out-of-our-food.html?pagewanted=all&_r=0

http://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2013/05/26/sunday-review/26corn-ch.html?ref=sunday&_r=0


47 posted on 01/05/2014 5:56:46 AM PST by bgill
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To: Nik Naym
You were just trying to brag about what a friggin’ genius you were.

LOL!

I had a brief conversattion with some guy here who starts out by saying "I'm not one of those keyboard commandos...but" or something to that effect, then he goes on to brag about what a badass he was.

By the time he was done, he had me convinced he was a super ninja........

48 posted on 01/05/2014 5:59:28 AM PST by Hot Tabasco (Miss Muffit suffered from arachnophobia.....)
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To: grundle

Some of these ADHD drugs do change the kids personality and that’s not good.


49 posted on 01/05/2014 6:10:04 AM PST by sunrise_sunset
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To: billyboy15

Teachers know but they can’t do much. You are evaluated on the % of kids you keep in the classroom.


50 posted on 01/05/2014 6:12:16 AM PST by sunrise_sunset
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