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Boeing Workers Approve 8-Year Contract Extension
NYT ^ | 1/4/14 | STEVEN GREENHOUSE

Posted on 01/05/2014 2:41:49 AM PST by paudio

The workers voted 51 percent to 49 percent in favor, responding to pressures from top union officials and Washington State lawmakers, who warned that Boeing might place 777X production elsewhere, potentially costing Washington more than 10,000 jobs.

(Excerpt) Read more at nytimes.com ...


TOPICS: Business/Economy; News/Current Events; US: Washington
KEYWORDS: boeing; union; washington
I didn't see this posted. I searched for Boeing it came up empty.
1 posted on 01/05/2014 2:41:49 AM PST by paudio
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To: paudio

Interesting ... right into and almost through the next preisidency.


2 posted on 01/05/2014 2:44:48 AM PST by knarf (I say things that are true .. I have no proof .. but they're true.)
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To: paudio

51-49 is pretty damn close .... the sensible people in that union have a really bare majority


3 posted on 01/05/2014 2:47:26 AM PST by canuck_conservative
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To: canuck_conservative

Yeah, sure union officials told the membership to vote for this. I believe that about as much as I believe Obama is a Christian.


4 posted on 01/05/2014 2:49:16 AM PST by EQAndyBuzz ("The GOP fights its own base with far more vigor than it employs in fighting the Dims.")
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To: EQAndyBuzz

Actually the union bosses may indeed have begged them to vote yes. Can you imagine losing 10,000 dues paying members to some RTW state?


5 posted on 01/05/2014 2:51:47 AM PST by jimfree (In November 2016 my 13 y/o granddaughter will have more quality exec experience than Barack Obama)
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To: paudio

Union bosses ought to be lined up blind-folded in front of a Gatling gun and pulped.


6 posted on 01/05/2014 2:58:22 AM PST by James C. Bennett (An Australian.)
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To: James C. Bennett

Or do like North Korea ....

Woof!


7 posted on 01/05/2014 3:13:14 AM PST by canuck_conservative
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To: EQAndyBuzz; jimfree

The local bosses told them to vote no, and didn’t even want them to vote on the new offer by Boeing. The national union told them to vote on it, and to vote yes.

I have no doubts that Boeing would have had production for this move to a union-free state if it had been a no vote. Boeing’s latest offer was not that much different than their first offer iirc.


8 posted on 01/05/2014 3:13:39 AM PST by 21twelve (http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2185147/posts 2013 is 1933 REBORN)
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To: paudio

What the heck kind of a machinists union do they call themselves if they can’t put their workplace out of business??? Boy, the old Eastern Airlines local could teach these guys a thing or two ...


9 posted on 01/05/2014 3:15:26 AM PST by NonValueAdded (It's not the penalty, it's the lack of coverage on 1 Jan. Think about it.)
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To: 21twelve; EQAndyBuzz

Thanks for the clarification. The local bosses apparently still believe you can get Sauvignon Blanc by squeezing a rock if you just apply enough pressure.


10 posted on 01/05/2014 3:17:28 AM PST by jimfree (In November 2016 my 13 y/o granddaughter will have more quality exec experience than Barack Obama)
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To: paudio

The 49% means sabotage on the planes they make.


11 posted on 01/05/2014 3:18:22 AM PST by AdaGray
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To: 21twelve

A friend has a son who is a machinist and works at the Everett facility.

He was predicting after the first vote lost that Boeing would sweeten the offer, but they would still reject it.

I predicted a re-vote and that it would pass once the dumchits realized Boeing was serious about moving it to a different state.

You can bet your last dollar that if Boeing went through all the trouble of re-locating it, it would be to go to a non-union environment, the National and local unions losing 30,000+ dues-paying jobs in the process.

The national group saw it. The local leadership still have their heads up their rears!
I expect there will be a change in the local leadership.

Something that really got me over the last few weeks is how many of the Unionized workers were out there giving interviews and calling Boeing management evil incarnate and greedy SOB’s and whatever!
Amazing!
If I was a manager at B and saw one of my workers on the tube spewing as much hate and vitriol as that, he’d be out of the door in a heartbeat!


12 posted on 01/05/2014 3:24:50 AM PST by djf (Global warming is a bunch of hot air!!)
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To: djf
Something that really got me over the last few weeks is how many of the Unionized workers were out there giving interviews and calling Boeing management evil incarnate and greedy SOB’s and whatever!

My {now dead} uncle, was a union boss at a local Westinghouse plant that in it's prime employed 12,000 union workers.

He spewed the came kind of commie clap trap, and too many of the sheeple bought it and fought and struck and sabotaged the company at every turn.

Finally, the company had enough, and the plant now is empty.

Stupid bastards.

13 posted on 01/05/2014 4:37:03 AM PST by USS Alaska (If I could...I would.)
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To: jimfree

Multiple stories at link indicating the Union leadership was AGAINST this contract.

https://www.google.com/search?q=union+urges+members+to+vote+down+Boeing+contract&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&aq=t&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official&client=firefox-a&channel=fflb

The Union caved and the NYT is trying to put lipstick on the Pig


14 posted on 01/05/2014 4:57:29 AM PST by billyboy15
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To: djf
That would be a dangerous move. I've had to deal with a union organizing action and the union & members have to be treated with kid gloves.
15 posted on 01/05/2014 5:04:55 AM PST by Eric in the Ozarks ("Say Not the Struggle Naught Availeth.")
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To: billyboy15

Boeing offered them EIGHT YEARS of almost GUARANTEED EMPLOYMENT!

How many Americans right now would fall to their knees and thank God if they even got TWO YEARS at the starting machinists rate and benefits, amounting to something like 66K per year?

How many FReepers even?

There’d be one hell of a lot of takers!


16 posted on 01/05/2014 5:09:50 AM PST by djf (Global warming is a bunch of hot air!!)
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To: djf

You can bet your last dollar that if Boeing went through all the trouble of re-locating it, it would be to go to a non-union environment,,,,

*****

and also, Boeing would be able to build a new state-of-the-art facility, not keep trying to renovate the old factories at Everett.


17 posted on 01/05/2014 5:16:57 AM PST by maica (We are seeing an interesting mixture of malice and incompetence at healthcare.gov)
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To: Eric in the Ozarks

Normally true, but I think part of the fine print here was no work stoppages.

I just think you can’t bad mouth your boss in public, then at your yearly review go in there and tell your boss what a wonderful dude he is and how you love working at the joint.

It’s hypocrisy.

If these people are so unhappy let them spend 14 months making Frappa-Cappa-Mocha-Childos at some coffee joint and live on the tips.


18 posted on 01/05/2014 5:20:04 AM PST by djf (Global warming is a bunch of hot air!!)
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To: maica

Capital costs are going to be huge, no matter where. Boeing yesterday after the vote announced intentions to build a 1.2 million SF facility to manufacture the composite wing.

They apparently can’t transport the wing hundreds or thousands of miles to where the fuselage is put together.

This is a major, major deal. I’m kinda thinking Boeing realized it tossed snake eyes on the 787 (hereafter called “the Edsel of airplanes”), and is positioning the 777-X to be SOA for passenger aircraft in the future.


19 posted on 01/05/2014 5:27:40 AM PST by djf (Global warming is a bunch of hot air!!)
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To: djf

Of course you are right and this is why the Unions will be gone within 10-15 years. They have lost public support to a truly remarkable degree.


20 posted on 01/05/2014 5:50:44 AM PST by billyboy15
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To: canuck_conservative

2%= 1% votes either sided. Just like 2012 and probably right at the end.


21 posted on 01/05/2014 5:59:33 AM PST by Recompennation (Constitutional protection for all not ju st selectively for Democrats.)
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To: Recompennation

I’m not convinced it was that close, the Union did the counting, as long as they didn’t claim it failed when it really passed, the numbers are up to them.

They could have pulled 51-49 percent right out of their nose-hairs to make it sound as if it was way closer, after all, like most political types they need to justify their existence somehow!


22 posted on 01/05/2014 6:08:02 AM PST by djf (Global warming is a bunch of hot air!!)
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To: paudio

Boeing’s union workers win 2014 Darwin Award, 100%-0%.


23 posted on 01/05/2014 11:10:59 AM PST by CDB (Democrats = PSCUM (the Party of Scandals, Cover-Ups, Un-Accountability, and Monster Government)
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To: NonValueAdded

I was in the Machinists and Aerospace workers for a year. My brother for 15. It was enlightening, to say the least. The union mindset is truly something to behold. The way the National union whips up the hate and brings out the violent worst in people.

Went on strike for 5 months, finally accepted the same offer they turned down at the beginning.

The Company still closed the doors 2 months later, just like they said they would if the union went through with a strike.


24 posted on 01/05/2014 11:49:36 AM PST by digger48
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To: AdaGray

That’s exactly right and I have no interest in flying on a plane built with 49% dumbass, snivelling, whining labor. Seems to me like management is highly motivated to weed out the 49 percenters or they will have a ferocious problem with quality control. And remember these “machinists” ( a misuse of the word) are a relatively small portion of the actual whole force used to built the planes but are in position to do damage.


25 posted on 01/05/2014 11:58:45 AM PST by cherokee1 (skip the names---just kick the buttz)
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To: James C. Bennett
Union bosses ought to be lined up blind-folded in front of a Gatling gun and pulped.

you are too kind.

26 posted on 01/05/2014 12:06:48 PM PST by Vaquero (Don't pick a fight with an old guy. If he is too old to fight, he'll just kill you.)
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To: digger48
The Company still closed the doors 2 months later, just like they said they would if the union went through with a strike.

Goose? meet Golden Egg.

27 posted on 01/05/2014 12:09:09 PM PST by Vaquero (Don't pick a fight with an old guy. If he is too old to fight, he'll just kill you.)
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To: paudio

Watch the recess appointed obamite NLRB get involved. organized labor bought and paid for this administration, they aim to get their money’s worth.


28 posted on 01/05/2014 3:44:13 PM PST by JohnBrowdie (http://forum.stink-eye.net)
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To: paudio

Bet ya a buck that it was those family members that told them to pass it and the workers listened to them..NOT the union thugs.


29 posted on 01/05/2014 5:24:32 PM PST by Paul46360
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To: djf

“...he’d be out of the door in a heartbeat!”

I doubt it - that would be a Hate Crime against a union member! I was at a government site and my client said it is just terrible. You can’t yell or get mad at the guys or they’ll get the union on you. He was at one meeting and the boss was asking nicely, pleading, with the guys. “So guys, if you can give me four good solid hours of work each day we can get this project back on track. Please.” (They work 10-hour days!)


30 posted on 01/05/2014 5:31:43 PM PST by 21twelve (http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2185147/posts 2013 is 1933 REBORN)
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To: paudio
Boeing should move the entire operation to South Carolina.
31 posted on 01/05/2014 5:33:08 PM PST by Gay State Conservative (Osama Obama Care: A Religion That Will Have You On Your Knees!)
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To: djf
From the article...

Many machinists bridled at approving a contract extension that contained a pension freeze and other concessions at a time Boeing had record profits and a record order backlog.

Boeing said its strong earnings resulted from pricing on planes ordered years ago. It warned that its airplanes are now being sold at significant discounts.

A Boeing official wrote to workers saying that, despite the concessions, they would still “receive market-leading wages and benefits.” Many have base pay of $70,000 a year, with some earning $100,000 with overtime.

32 posted on 01/05/2014 5:41:22 PM PST by Jane Long (While Marxists continue the fundamental transformation of the USA, progressive RINOs assist!)
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To: Jane Long
The "pension freeze" is an end to the traditional pension based on a percentage of your pay for years of service and replacing it with a 401(k)-type pension with generous company contributions. The pension earned to date is still there. They did not take that away. It's just future contributions will be to the 401(k) that is managed and owned by the employee. It's also portable should you leave Boeing. It's not an end to their pension like the union and some in the media are portraying it.

No, I am not Boeing management....

33 posted on 01/05/2014 6:01:43 PM PST by SW6906 (6 things you can't have too much of: sex, money, firewood, horsepower, guns and ammunition.)
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To: cherokee1

Glad to know there are others out there who are disgusted with labor unions. Everytime I turn around they have their hands out for more.


34 posted on 01/06/2014 2:33:08 AM PST by AdaGray
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To: AdaGray

I was hoping they’d reject the contract offer and Boeing would relocate to a red state.

Would have loved to have my next conversation with a former union thug to involve ordering fries and a drink.


35 posted on 01/06/2014 11:45:13 AM PST by Heavyrunner (Socialize this.)
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To: AdaGray

I loathe unions in general, but my company is making me wish to be in one sadly enough.

I do work with union workers (another company) every day, and they’re all pretty cool to work with. So not all unions or union workers are bad, it’s just ones like the UAW, IBEW, Teamsters, etc that make the others look bad.


36 posted on 01/06/2014 12:39:47 PM PST by 2CAVTrooper (Impeach 0bama)
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To: EQAndyBuzz

It’s actually believable. Boeing’s move to Chicago was a wake up call for a lot of people.


37 posted on 01/06/2014 5:09:35 PM PST by Psycho_Bunny (Thought Puzzle: Describe Islam without using the phrase "mental disorder" more than four times.)
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