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Banished for Questioning the Gospel of Guns (consider the source)
New York Times ^ | http://www.nytimes.com/2014/01/05/business/media/banished-for-questioning-the-gospel-of-guns.html?_r | Ravi Somaiya

Posted on 01/05/2014 6:04:38 AM PST by Olog-hai

The byline of Dick Metcalf, one of the country’s pre-eminent gun journalists, has gone missing. It has been removed from Guns & Ammo magazine, where his widely-read column once ran on the back page. He no longer stars on a popular television show about firearms. Gun companies have stopped flying him around the world and sending him the latest weapons to review.

In late October, Mr. Metcalf wrote a column that the magazine titled “Let’s Talk Limits,” which debated gun laws. “The fact is,” wrote Mr. Metcalf, who has taught history at Cornell and Yale, “all constitutional rights are regulated, always have been, and need to be.” The backlash was swift, and fierce. Readers threatened to cancel their subscriptions. Death threats poured in by email. His television program was pulled from the air.

Just days after the column appeared, Mr. Metcalf said, his editor called to tell him that two major gun manufacturers had said “in no uncertain terms” that they could no longer do business with InterMedia Outdoors, the company that publishes Guns & Ammo and co-produces his TV show, if he continued to work there. He was let go immediately. …

(Excerpt) Read more at nytimes.com ...


TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Editorial; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: banglist; dickmetcalf; guncontrol; gunsandammo
Only took the Slimes two months to catch up, here?
1 posted on 01/05/2014 6:04:38 AM PST by Olog-hai
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To: Olog-hai

Slow day and he had a hard time dreaming up some spin.


2 posted on 01/05/2014 6:06:05 AM PST by mountainlion (Live well for those that did not make it back.)
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To: mountainlion

Yeah; heaven forfend that he actually works on reporting real news.


3 posted on 01/05/2014 6:09:06 AM PST by Olog-hai
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To: Olog-hai

Doesn’t he have it backwards here? “all constitutional rights are regulated, always have been, and need to be.”

Isn’t the constitution to regulate government not the other way around?


4 posted on 01/05/2014 6:13:37 AM PST by captnemo1
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To: Olog-hai

“all constitutional rights are regulated, always have been, and need to be.”

Inalienable Rights! Not Granted By Government!


5 posted on 01/05/2014 6:14:07 AM PST by Texas Fossil
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To: Olog-hai

IMHO Dick was being used by Leo Hindery, Jr. Managing Partner of InterMedia Partners (guns and ammo, shooting times etc) as a feeler to see how the shooting community would take to modifying their stance on gun control

Hindery is an Obama bundler and an anti gun POS who has caused me not to renew my subscriptions to intermedia gun mags.


6 posted on 01/05/2014 6:14:32 AM PST by Vaquero (Don't pick a fight with an old guy. If he is too old to fight, he'll just kill you.)
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To: Olog-hai
“We are locked in a struggle with powerful forces in this country who will do anything to destroy the Second Amendment,” said Richard Venola, a former editor of Guns & Ammo. “The time for ceding some rational points is gone.”

Richard is right --- Dick is wrong.

7 posted on 01/05/2014 6:17:08 AM PST by smokingfrog ( sleep with one eye open (<o> ---)
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To: Olog-hai
Since I do not subscribe to “Guns and Ammo” and stopped watching their TV show before Metcalf made his little statement on rights, I did not know he was gone. Lord knows, I could not stand that man.
But as we all know, Metcalf has the right to say whatever he wants. He just does not have the right that we have to agree with him and “Guns and Ammo” must provide him with a forum. The market decides.

Just like A&E, they could fire him or keep him, subject to the people that pay the bills opinion. The Reader and/or the Viewer.

Metcalf lost. Phil Robertson won. Both for the same reason.

8 posted on 01/05/2014 6:18:35 AM PST by Tupelo (I am feeling more like Philip Nolan every day)
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To: Vaquero

Good to know.


9 posted on 01/05/2014 6:27:55 AM PST by smokingfrog ( sleep with one eye open (<o> ---)
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To: smokingfrog
I never cared for Metcalf anyway and preferred to watch something else when his show was aired.

I firmly believe that sponsors of programs (such as Metcalf’s WAS) do pay attention to what their customers say and do. If you hit them in the pocket book via boycotts and bad press, they will drop you like a hot potato.

10 posted on 01/05/2014 6:44:20 AM PST by DaveA37
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To: Olog-hai

From the article: “Moderate voices that might broaden the discussion from within are silenced.”

And, rightly so. To allow any encroachment on these rights is to invite the libtards to take even more, and more. That is precisely why we are in the state we are, today. Creeping socialism.
The dhimmicraps well understand ‘death by a thousand cuts’, and they are content to play that game to advance their socialist utopian goals.


11 posted on 01/05/2014 6:50:33 AM PST by PubliusMM (RKBA; a matter of fact, not opinion. 01-20-2016; I pray we make it that long.)
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To: Olog-hai

The “shout fire” analogy doesn’t work, no one is proposing to surgically remove vocal cords.


12 posted on 01/05/2014 6:52:10 AM PST by SWAMPSNIPER (The Second Amendment, a Matter of Fact, Not a Matter of Opinion)
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To: Olog-hai
Death threats poured in by email.

Not that I don't believe the NYT (cough), but I'd like to see documentation of said death threats; followed by documentation that these threats were received from actual subscribers to G&A.

History shows that the Left tends to create "events" that support their narrative. Of course, this is due solely to the fact that we racist, sexist, bigoted, homophobic, etc. conservatives don't behave in the manner in which we are characterized and the agenda must be advanced, regardless.

13 posted on 01/05/2014 6:57:59 AM PST by Arm_Bears (Refuse; Resist; Rebel; Revolt!)
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To: Olog-hai

A comment by Metcalf: “Compromise is a bad word these days,” he said. “People think it means giving up your principles.”

Well, if your argument starts from a firmly principled stand, then the spirit of compromise demands that you move away from that principled stand and toward the position taken by your adversary. So, to that extent, at least, compromise does entail giving up some incremental element of your principles.

In the current political environment, it will be best that true conservative, Constitutional voices remain quite firm and NOT compromise. If that results in gridlock, so be it.

This is not a time for pastels, as has been said.


14 posted on 01/05/2014 6:58:11 AM PST by PubliusMM (RKBA; a matter of fact, not opinion. 01-20-2016; I pray we make it that long.)
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To: PubliusMM
"This is not a time for pastels"


15 posted on 01/05/2014 7:04:07 AM PST by Paladin2
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To: captnemo1
Doesn’t he have it backwards here?

Absolutely. Mainly, because there is no such thing as a Constitutional right. We have certain unalienable rights that are protected by our Constitution. It is the first line of defense against those who would try to subjugate We The People.

Even without the Constitution, we would still have them.

16 posted on 01/05/2014 7:04:39 AM PST by Bloody Sam Roberts ("Gun horror is not a productive emotion, it's learned helplessness disguised as moral superiority.")
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To: Olog-hai

This article is front page center, directly below a picture of a starving Afghanistan boy being held by a completely black burqua-clad cypher (a person or thing of no value or importance; nonentity).


17 posted on 01/05/2014 7:09:31 AM PST by Excellence (All your database are belong to us.)
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To: Olog-hai

Hey Ravi, why don’t you write a column criticizing abortion, affirmative action or fag marriage and see how fast the NY Slimes boots your dot headed ass out the door.


18 posted on 01/05/2014 7:11:41 AM PST by metalurgist ( Want your country back? It'll take guns and rope. Marxists won't give up peaceably.)
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To: Olog-hai

Good review of the Slimes article here:

THE TRUTH ABOUT GUNS.COM

New York Times Champions Dick Metcalf – And Reveals The Truth About Gun Reviews

By Robert Farago on January 5, 2014

The New York Times’ article Banished for Questioning the Gospel of Guns “exposes” gun journo “extremism.” It’s based on an unsurprisingly sympathetic profile of Dick Metcalf. You may remember Mr. Metcalf as the Guns & Ammo writer given the old heave-ho after writing a column suggesting that government regulation of gun rights isn’t necessarily a bad thing. Suffice it to say, Warren Zevon’s Poor Poor Pitiful Me. More specifically, this: “Mr. Metcalf said he invited a reporter to his home because he despairs that the debate over gun policy in America is so bitterly polarized and dominated by extreme voices . . .

He says he is still contemplating how a self-described “Second Amendment fundamentalist” who keeps a .38 snub-nose Smith & Wesson revolver within easy reach has been ostracized from his community. “Compromise is a bad word these days,” he said. “People think it means giving up your principles.”

Yes. Yes they do. Keeping in mind Senator Barry Goldwater’s famous quote “extremism in the defense of liberty is no vice.” Now for the juicy bit. In its effort to diss gun journalism in general, the Old Gray Lady reveals that Guns & Ammo’s reviews are bought and paid for . . .

http://www.thetruthaboutguns.com/2014/01/robert-farago/new-york-times-champions-dick-metcalf-and-reveals-the-truth-about-gun-reviews/#more-285153


19 posted on 01/05/2014 7:12:46 AM PST by KeyLargo
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To: captnemo1
Isn’t the constitution to regulate government not the other way around?

You are so right.

That's where the battle begins and ends.

Right now we're losing it, and badly.

20 posted on 01/05/2014 7:16:48 AM PST by Fightin Whitey
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To: metalurgist

Just for those that have not followed the controversy:

Shakeup at Guns & Ammo after gun control column backfires
FoxNews.com ^ | 11-8-2013 | Joshua Rhett Miller

Posted on Friday, November 08, 2013 8:06:15 PM by servo1969

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-chat/3089246/posts


21 posted on 01/05/2014 7:17:40 AM PST by KeyLargo
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To: Olog-hai
“The fact is,” wrote Mr. Metcalf, who has taught history at Cornell and Yale, “all constitutional rights are regulated, always have been, and need to be.”

Fudd.

"...shall not be infringed.

22 posted on 01/05/2014 7:17:57 AM PST by Smokin' Joe (How often God must weep at humans' folly. Stand fast. God knows what He is doing.)
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To: metalurgist
Hey Ravi, why don’t you write a column criticizing abortion, affirmative action or fag marriage

No, that's why they have all those other right-wing columnists at the NYT, to provide the kind of balance Guns & Ammo mag has so egregiously abandoned.

Wait a minute...

23 posted on 01/05/2014 7:24:16 AM PST by Fightin Whitey
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To: Olog-hai

Dick Metcalf went pfffft.

I fail to see the problem here.


24 posted on 01/05/2014 7:25:53 AM PST by moovova
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To: Olog-hai
What screams out to me in large red, flashing letters is the assumed new meaning of the word "compromise". Sorry, I got stuck on that part way through this "article" and simply couldn't see past it.

See, to me, compromise is when 2 sides argue their points and willingly trade off equal points to achieve a goal that both partys can walk away feeling like they gained as much as they gave up. This new meaning of compromise just doesn't fly with me... the one where your opponent demands you give up 10 things that they don't want you to have and you "compromise" by only letting them have 5 while getting nothing in return. This is the sticking point for the magazine readers and all 2nd Amendment proponents alike... we've played this game too many times and "compromise" just never seems to work out for us in what we consider a fair manner. Therefor, we ain't buyin anymore "compromise".

Sorry, I read something like this and one thing will get stuck in my craw and I just can't get past it. There is no "compromise" any longer... be it regulation/restriction of the 2nd Amendment or any other increase in government, taxes or regulation. Our real problem is how few people have come to realize that the brakes are out and we are heading towards a steep grade... and they will never recognize it until we have crossed the point of no return.

25 posted on 01/05/2014 7:33:15 AM PST by FunkyZero (... I've got a Grand Piano to prop up my mortal remains)
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To: Olog-hai

A 67 year old guy in the writing game how long and suddenly it seems he come out with something which, presumably, he failed to come out with previously> Hmm.


26 posted on 01/05/2014 7:39:32 AM PST by TalBlack (Evil doesn't have a day job.)
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To: captnemo1
All constitutional rights are in some sense limited. You should not have the right to yell "fire!" in a crowded theater and you should not have the right to explode a hand grenade in a crowded theater.

That said, the government has no more right restrict your ability to purchase, own, borrow, rent, store, transport or carry any firearm (much less any box with a spring in it) than to restrict your right to own a telephone or laser printer.

27 posted on 01/05/2014 7:39:38 AM PST by InABunkerUnderSF (Explain again, why don't you need to fill out form 4473 to buy a pressure cooker?)
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To: Olog-hai
'“The fact is,” wrote Mr. Metcalf, who has taught history at Cornell and Yale, “all constitutional rights are regulated, always have been, and need to be.”

Wow, he sounds like Scalia.

28 posted on 01/05/2014 8:35:53 AM PST by Theoria (End Socialism : No more GOP and Dem candidates)
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To: FunkyZero

Well put!

My proposed “compromise” is that we agree to background checks being mandated for all purchases (seller is civilly and criminally liable for acts of buyer if a check would have indicated ineligibility), but in exchange, all background checks are conducted without disclosing any information about the gun being purchased (or whether a gun is being purchased, it could be a check to see if your new babysitter is a criminal).


29 posted on 01/05/2014 8:53:01 AM PST by Atlas Sneezed
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To: Olog-hai

two major gun manufacturers had said “in no uncertain terms” that they could no longer do business with InterMedia Outdoors... if he continued to work there.


God bless the great folks who run companies in the firearms industry!


30 posted on 01/05/2014 8:55:06 AM PST by Atlas Sneezed
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To: SWAMPSNIPER

***The “shout fire” analogy doesn’t work,***

But, what if You shout “FIRE!” in a crowded theater because there IS a fire?


31 posted on 01/05/2014 9:47:40 AM PST by Ruy Dias de Bivar (Sometimes you need 7+ more ammo. LOTS MORE.)
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To: Olog-hai
According to Metcalf: "... requiring 16 hours of training to qualify for a concealed carry license was not an infringement. "

I wonder what Metcalf's opinion would be regarding a requirement for 1600 hours of training?

In Arizona and Vermont there is no permit required and no training requirement. Is there blood running in the streets there? No.

How then does Metcalf determine that a requirement for ANY training is not an infringement? Does he simply think that, because he considers the infringement minor, that it is then not an infringement?

32 posted on 01/05/2014 10:37:25 AM PST by William Tell
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To: Vaquero
IMHO Dick was being used by Leo Hindery, Jr. Managing Partner of InterMedia Partners (guns and ammo, shooting times etc) as a feeler to see how the shooting community Iwould take to modifying their stance on gun control

I think you are absolutely correct.

Metcalf supposedly talked about retirement prior to the whole debacle and I feel that he was a sacrificial goat.

Hindery is a rabid dem and a definite obama-lover and has no love for guns, in spite of his media holdings.

He gambled...he lost.

This time.

I predict that the bloodletting at the magazine is not over.

I care not, I cancelled my subscription back in November.

I enjoyed the section on old guns, but I was also getting tired of Boddington telling me that unless I spent $3000.00+ on a rifle, I had no hopes of killing a deer.

Gun snobbery sucks and they are good at it.

33 posted on 01/05/2014 11:31:30 AM PST by OldSmaj (I am an avowed enemy of islam and obama is a damned fool and traitor. Questions?)
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To: smokingfrog

“We are locked in a struggle with powerful forces in this country who will do anything to destroy the Second Amendment,” said Richard Venola, a former editor of Guns & Ammo. “The time for ceding some rational points is gone.”

Gun owners know that you cant be “rational” with irrational antigunners. They lie, cheat and will do anything to completely disarm Americans. As soon as they make a gain they demand another, then another. Negotiating with them is like negotiating with an arsonist about how much gasoline he can pour in your home before lighting it.


34 posted on 01/05/2014 11:59:49 AM PST by Brooklyn Attitude (Things are only going to get worse.)
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To: OldSmaj
I enjoyed the section on old guns, but I was also getting tired of Boddington telling me that unless I spent $3000.00+ on a rifle, I had no hopes of killing a deer.

Gun snobbery sucks and they are good at it.

I love the old guns best. that is what I buy when I buy.

my most accurate big game rifle is an 1903 A3 Springfield that I bought from a NYPD cop. he had it and never fired it. whoever had it before him butchered a fine military rifle by cutting both stock and barrel. I paid $50 for it around a decade ago. I shot it with military sights and it would put all into a 1.5” group. I put a scope on it and found it would shoot half groups all day and way under 2” groups at 200 yds. it is my backup hunting rifle.

I carry a 1977 vintage Marlin 336 lever gun in .35 rem. caliber.

it is short, light, easy to carry and swing and almost as accurate as the ‘03. and yes...it will (and has)take deer for much less than Craig Boddingtons $3000 overkill gun. it has killed almost as many deer for me as a $100 sears roebuck pump shotgun in 12 gauge that I was forced to use in a shotgun slug only county....that one harvested dozens of deer.

35 posted on 01/05/2014 12:03:47 PM PST by Vaquero (Don't pick a fight with an old guy. If he is too old to fight, he'll just kill you.)
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To: Olog-hai; All

I wonder if Cosmopolitan, or Vogue magazines, or the TV programs like The View or Ellen would be open for an editor or producer to bring out a reasonable discussion about the moral arguments against, or even for abortion (if you could find one) and see how long that person stays employed...

Liberals are all about fairness, and freedom of speech and information right???


36 posted on 01/05/2014 8:09:52 PM PST by stevie_d_64 (It's not the color of one's skin that offends people...it's how thin it is.)
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