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8 Million Acres of China's Farmland is Too Polluted to Farm; All Farm Products From China Suspect
Townhall.com ^ | January 5, 2014 | Mike Shedlock

Posted on 01/05/2014 6:56:48 AM PST by Kaslin

At the end of 2013, China reported over 3 mln hectares of land too polluted to farm.

About 3.33 million hectares (8 million acres) of China's farmland is too polluted to grow crops, a government official said on Monday, highlighting the risk facing agriculture after three decades of rapid industrial growth.

China has been under pressure to improve its urban environment following a spate of pollution scares.

But cleaning up rural regions could be an even bigger challenge as the government tries to reverse damage done by years of urban and industrial encroachment and ensure food supplies for a growing population.

Wang Shiyuan, the vice-minister of land and resources, told a news briefing that China was determined to rectify the problem and had committed "tens of billions of yuan" a year to pilot projects aimed at rehabilitating contaminated land and underground water supplies.

The area of China's contaminated land is about the same size as Belgium. Wang said no more planting would be allowed on it as the government was determined to prevent toxic metals entering the food chain.

"In the past there have been news reports about cadmium-contaminated rice - these kinds of problems have already been strictly prohibited," he said.

This year, inspectors found dangerous levels of cadmium in rice sold in the southern city of Guangzhou. The rice was grown in Henan, a major heavy metal-producing region.

State researchers have said that as much as 70 percent of China's soil could have problems.


All Farm Products From China Suspect

The last sentence above says all you need to know. It's unsafe to trust any farm products from China.

Woefully Inadequate Response

The vice-minister of land and resources, said China committed "tens of billions of yuan" a year to pilot projects aimed at rehabilitating contaminated land and underground water supplies.

How uncomforting! The cleanup bill for air pollution alone is $290 billion. Give that State TV amazingly promotes the "Benefits of Smog" one has to wonder how many acres of China's farmland are really polluted, and what a proper cleanup job would actually cost.

Iceberg Principle

I speculate the cleanup cost will be in the $trillions, if done properly (but likely it won't).

One thing we learned from the financial crisis in the US, and continued bank problems in Europe is the biggest portion of the mess is continually hidden.

Call it the "Iceberg Principle" where politicians only reveal a portion of the problem with each admission.

Recall the initial estimates of the Greek bailout was something like €40 billion. In May of 2010 the Troika committed a €110 billion bailout loan. A second bailout loan a year later added another €100 billion. Talk is now underway regarding a third bailout.

Questions of the Day

  1. How many acres are really polluted?
  2. How safe is the food?
  3. What about pet food?
  4. What about toxic toys, paint, etc.?
  5. What's the real cost of cleanup?
  6. Taking into account the negative effects of pollution, how fast did China's GDP really grow?


One thing is for certain: China's growth at any cost policy came at an enormous price.


TOPICS: Business/Economy; Culture/Society; Editorial
KEYWORDS: china; food; foodsupply; redchina
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1 posted on 01/05/2014 6:56:48 AM PST by Kaslin
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To: Kaslin

On the bright side they’ve found a way to market and sell toxic waste.


2 posted on 01/05/2014 6:58:17 AM PST by cripplecreek (REMEMBER THE RIVER RAISIN!)
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To: Kaslin

This is a concern.

China has five times America’s population, in a country roughly the same size.

That, combined with China’ stratospheric growth is a huge pollution concern.


3 posted on 01/05/2014 7:00:01 AM PST by Cringing Negativism Network (http://www.census.gov/foreign-trade/balance/c5700.html#2013)
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To: Kaslin

Imagine! Millions of bodies that may not decay.


4 posted on 01/05/2014 7:00:31 AM PST by clearcarbon
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To: Cringing Negativism Network

Finally a positive for free trade?


5 posted on 01/05/2014 7:02:15 AM PST by driftdiver (I could eat it raw, but why do that when I have a fire.)
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To: Kaslin

And the US has the safest food supply in the world but you wouldn’t know it listening to shyster lawyers, proglodytes, and the old media. I have tested Chinese made toys and indeed they are high in lead. Pet food was intentionally spiked with melamine and toothpaste with antifreeze, but hey, let’s all attack US agriculture.


6 posted on 01/05/2014 7:05:31 AM PST by Neoliberalnot (Marxism works well only with the uneducated and the unarmed.)
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To: Cringing Negativism Network

Why worry? It is only the capitalists that are destroying the earth. The Eco-Nuts keep telling us, just like the mental giants that got themselves ice-bound trying to prove their point. The Captain of the vessel tried to warn them but they refused to acknowledge that little thing called reality, especially when the Antarctic is in it’s summer period.

And now they are requesting USCG ice breakers get down there in an attempt to get their ice bound vessels freed because the last I heard, one or two of the other ice breakers were also bound.

Sure would be entertaining to watch that ship just pop out of the ice like a champagne cork when the water under it freezes, somewhere close to our summertime.


7 posted on 01/05/2014 7:07:42 AM PST by mazda77
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To: Kaslin

‘After three decades of urban growth’ — umhmmm, and after millennia of Night Soil.’


8 posted on 01/05/2014 7:08:36 AM PST by bboop (does not suffer fools gladly)
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To: Kaslin

A real disaster. But this is what happens when you lose respect for life.


9 posted on 01/05/2014 7:09:21 AM PST by FatherofFive (Islam is evil and must be eradicated)
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To: Kaslin

One more item of interest: COOL labeling is under attack. That’s country of origin labeling so people know where their food comes from, and yet, Monsanto is the chief villain on the planet according to media reporters, because they have taken plant technology to the bench top to provide food for a starving world population. Go figure.


10 posted on 01/05/2014 7:09:53 AM PST by Neoliberalnot (Marxism works well only with the uneducated and the unarmed.)
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To: Kaslin
this is a job for America's Pollitoon FIghting Team Super Reggie and Super Barry



love the photo gallery here:

11 posted on 01/05/2014 7:10:10 AM PST by MeshugeMikey ( a Safe..and Sane....2014 To All!)
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To: Kaslin
The Chinese farming practices that I've read about are horrifying.Like building chicken coops over shrimp ponds.Or using human sewage to fertilize vegetable fields.
12 posted on 01/05/2014 7:10:53 AM PST by Farmer Dean (stop worrying about what they want to do to you,start thinking about what you want to do to them)
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To: Kaslin
This year, inspectors found dangerous levels of cadmium in rice sold in the southern city of Guangzhou.

Plant alpine pennycress, harvest, smelt, and replant. The plant concentrates cadmium. Acidifying the soil helps it do so.

Other plants can help remediate soils, too, but they will not be fit for human or animal consumption (alpine pennycress can reach 8000 ppm (0.8%) cadmium in the leaves).

13 posted on 01/05/2014 7:12:10 AM PST by Smokin' Joe (How often God must weep at humans' folly. Stand fast. God knows what He is doing.)
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To: Neoliberalnot
Monsanto is the chief villain on the planet according to media reporters, because they have taken plant technology to the bench top to provide food for a starving world population.

I'm all for labeling, but only if it is done privately. If you saw the soil of some of these American corn farms and what the growth would look like without the injection of ammonia gas, you wouldn't be so celebratory.

14 posted on 01/05/2014 7:18:33 AM PST by Carry_Okie (0-Care IS Medicaid; they'll pull a sheet over your head and take everything you own to pay for it.)
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To: Kaslin

I won’t buy any food made in China.


15 posted on 01/05/2014 7:23:46 AM PST by GOPJ ("Remember who the real enemy is... ")
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To: Farmer Dean
Honey buckets were commonplace in Japan when we were stationed there.
Might still be...
16 posted on 01/05/2014 7:25:17 AM PST by Eric in the Ozarks ("Say Not the Struggle Naught Availeth.")
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To: Kaslin

I guarantee those are the first crops they ship to the USA rather than their own markets.

We should not import any food products from China. Anything that does get imported should be labeled “Grown in China; Eat at your own Risk”


17 posted on 01/05/2014 7:25:41 AM PST by FreeAtlanta (Liberty or Big Government - you can't have both.)
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To: Kaslin

Thanks to CONgress, the Chinese will now be processing our chicken. How comforting!


18 posted on 01/05/2014 7:26:23 AM PST by goodwithagun (My gun has killed fewer people's than Ted Kennedy's car.)
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To: Kaslin

Maybe we should send them so of that genetically modified corn that the rejected to plant in that area.


19 posted on 01/05/2014 7:26:27 AM PST by dhs12345
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To: Neoliberalnot

I really wish FR had a like and dislike button so that the best comments could be sorted to the top.


20 posted on 01/05/2014 7:28:13 AM PST by FreeAtlanta (Liberty or Big Government - you can't have both.)
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To: Kaslin
China (and India) have been given a waiver by the global elite regarding the cleanup of their pollution. I think these elites should now be forced to consume the results of their enlightened waivers.
21 posted on 01/05/2014 7:31:52 AM PST by Cowboy Bob (They are called "Liberals" because the word "parasite" was already taken.)
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To: goodwithagun

Good I will go Vegetarian first or Raise my own chickens


22 posted on 01/05/2014 7:33:16 AM PST by chicagolady (Mexican Elite say: EXPORT Poverty and Let the the Stupid AmericanTaxpayer foot the bill !)
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To: Kaslin

Okay.... so, what’s the picture about???


23 posted on 01/05/2014 7:38:39 AM PST by jackibutterfly
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To: Kaslin

We eat nothing from that Godforsaken place. Or at least knowingly. We are trying to only eat stuff from our area that is grown locally or regionally.


24 posted on 01/05/2014 7:39:55 AM PST by Georgia Girl 2 (The only purpose of a pistol is to fight your way back to the rifle you should never have dropped.)
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To: GOPJ

I won’t buy any food made in China.


You have no idea if you’re eating food from china.

Just because your chicken comes from Iowa, does not mean the feed,antibiotics,and suppliments did not come from china.


25 posted on 01/05/2014 7:42:29 AM PST by maine yankee (I got my Governor at 'Marden's')
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To: Kaslin

This is part of the reason china is buying poultry and beef outfits here in the US.

Ship the relatively clean food home to china, leave the polution and waste here.

Also, why is so much water bottled in the US, leaving the US for other countries?


26 posted on 01/05/2014 7:44:49 AM PST by maine yankee (I got my Governor at 'Marden's')
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To: Kaslin
All Farm Products From China Suspect

I consider farm products from Mexico the same way. I check food labels closely and never knowingly buy Mexican food products.

27 posted on 01/05/2014 7:49:32 AM PST by Graybeard58 (_.. ._. .. _. _._ __ ___ ._. . ___ ..._ ._ ._.. _ .. _. .)
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To: Kaslin

How can this be?

I thought the US was the only polluter on the planet.


28 posted on 01/05/2014 7:49:36 AM PST by Arm_Bears (Refuse; Resist; Rebel; Revolt!)
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To: maine yankee
Just because your chicken comes from Iowa, does not mean the feed,antibiotics,and suppliments did not come from china.

Yup. The melamine contaminated wheat gluten that killed pets and brought wide attention a few years ago began as American grown wheat shipped to China where it was converted to gluten before being shipped to Canada and added to pet food.
29 posted on 01/05/2014 7:51:18 AM PST by cripplecreek (REMEMBER THE RIVER RAISIN!)
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To: Neoliberalnot
but hey, let’s all attack US agriculture.

Who does that?

The only thing that comes to mind right away concerning U.S. agriculture is ethanol and that's hardly the farmer's fault, that's a government problem.

30 posted on 01/05/2014 7:53:48 AM PST by Graybeard58 (_.. ._. .. _. _._ __ ___ ._. . ___ ..._ ._ ._.. _ .. _. .)
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To: All

Tiger Mother will stop toxic metals from entering the food supply


31 posted on 01/05/2014 7:54:42 AM PST by escapefromboston (manny ortez: mvp)
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To: Carry_Okie

” If you saw the soil of some of these American corn farms and what the growth would look like without the injection of ammonia gas, you wouldn’t be so celebratory. “

Corn uses a lot of nitrogen. Anhydrous ammonia is a great way to get it at a good price.
No soil in the world could supply adequate nitrogen to grow modern corn without outside nitrogen being added.


32 posted on 01/05/2014 8:14:25 AM PST by HereInTheHeartland (Obama lied; our healthcare died.)
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To: Kaslin

Wonder if they are going to buy Detroit and call our IOU for land?.


33 posted on 01/05/2014 8:18:20 AM PST by Vaduz
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To: HereInTheHeartland
Corn uses a lot of nitrogen. Anhydrous ammonia is a great way to get it at a good price.

Duh. Works for the short term.

No soil in the world could supply adequate nitrogen to grow modern corn without outside nitrogen being added.

Ruining soil to make ethanol for cars is a terrible use of trace minerals.

34 posted on 01/05/2014 8:19:56 AM PST by Carry_Okie (0-Care IS Medicaid; they'll pull a sheet over your head and take everything you own to pay for it.)
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To: maine yankee

“Just because your chicken comes from Iowa, does not mean the feed,antibiotics,and suppliments did not come from china.”

I am not aware that feed mills are buying any feed ingredients from off shore.
Certainly not grain; China doesn’t have it to sell; it is grown here.


35 posted on 01/05/2014 8:20:49 AM PST by HereInTheHeartland (Obama lied; our healthcare died.)
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To: Carry_Okie

“Ruining soil to make ethanol for cars is a terrible use of trace minerals. “

Do you farm?
Raising corn for ethanol doesn’t “ruin the soil”. The soil will be farmed and things grown ethanol or not.
Farmers can use good farming practices or not use good farming practices; they choose.

Anhydrous ammonia has been used since probably the 40’s. The other alternative would be the more costly urea source of nitrogen. Or animal manure if available; which is a great source; but isn’t available everywhere.


36 posted on 01/05/2014 8:28:25 AM PST by HereInTheHeartland (Obama lied; our healthcare died.)
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To: Kaslin

About a year ago there were reports that 30,000 dead hogs were dumped in one of the reservoirs that Beijing used for a drinking water source. You have to be an extremely sick pig in china to not be eaten.


37 posted on 01/05/2014 8:29:36 AM PST by cornfedcowboy
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To: HereInTheHeartland
Do you farm?

I do research on native plant habitat restoration on a parcel that was once farmed. Farming it lost all the organic matter, clay, stored charcoal, and trace minerals. All that was left was sand.

I do forestry, grassland restoration, and developed that soil with minimal amendments for growing food. I'll be going to composting toilets soon with the goal of making the whole human support system portable with minimal impact (although impact is not inherently a bad thing). So I'm tackling the whole problem. It's an interesting challenge.

Farmers can use good farming practices or not use good farming practices; they choose.

There is no market for soil futures.

The other alternative would be the more costly urea source of nitrogen. Or animal manure if available; which is a great source; but isn’t available everywhere.

You presume a lot here.

38 posted on 01/05/2014 8:39:43 AM PST by Carry_Okie (0-Care IS Medicaid; they'll pull a sheet over your head and take everything you own to pay for it.)
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To: HereInTheHeartland

BTW, I’m not your enemy here; I’m trying to teach you something. I have a lot of respect for farmers, but I do think the system must change over the long run. I’m in the process of writing a book about that.


39 posted on 01/05/2014 8:58:22 AM PST by Carry_Okie (0-Care IS Medicaid; they'll pull a sheet over your head and take everything you own to pay for it.)
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To: Kaslin

Wasn’t Del Monte sold to a Chinese company recently?


40 posted on 01/05/2014 9:07:58 AM PST by pax_et_bonum (Never Forget the Seals of Extortion 17 - and God Bless America)
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To: Carry_Okie

I farmed for 10 years; my degree is in agriculture. I am in the middle of ethanol country. I don’t like ethanol; only because it is an artificially created market with tax subsidies and now the EPA mandate to use it. Let the market decide.
Farmers generally do good job of taking care of the soil here. When I farmed; I used no till farming when I could.


41 posted on 01/05/2014 9:13:37 AM PST by HereInTheHeartland (Obama lied; our healthcare died.)
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To: Kaslin
An equal problem is desertification: the ever increasing
spread of sand, granular dirt,which makes agriculture impssible.
42 posted on 01/05/2014 9:16:42 AM PST by upcountryhorseman (An old fashioned conservative)
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To: Neoliberalnot

Don’t bring Monsanto into this. If there is famine, its not from lack of food production, but from political forces. Monsanto ought to be willing to compete without government intervention on their behalf. They are not. Therein lies the Monsanto problem. China’s pollution problem goes to the heart of their government: socialist central planning without any credible checks or balances, because those people are already in jail.

COOL labeling is under attack by the same people who don’t want to allow the market place to decide on GMO,... but that would be, uh, Monsanto....


43 posted on 01/05/2014 9:28:12 AM PST by alien_in_nm
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To: Kaslin

Sounds like typical ‘ecology’ scaremongering hype.

Not that one should trust China foods.


44 posted on 01/05/2014 9:32:51 AM PST by mrsmith (Dumb sluts: Lifeblood of the Media, Backbone of the Democrat Party!)
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To: HereInTheHeartland
I farmed for 10 years; my degree is in agriculture.

No surprise there.

I am in the middle of ethanol country.

My dad's family were among the founders of Pella, Iowa.

I don’t like ethanol; only because it is an artificially created market with tax subsidies and now the EPA mandate to use it. Let the market decide.

Agreed.

You have to understand that the work I do is on a scale of decades but the study in which I am engaged spans millennia. Currently, I am engaged in examining the desertification of North Africa and the Near East. Farming may be the culprit, not because of what it did to the soil but to how it drew nomadic people off the land and into settled life. In what was a mesic system at the time, vegetation management means everything in terms of maintaining the hydrocycle. It only takes one stupid fool messing with an alluvial soil to wreck an entire system over thousands of square miles, as the settler farmers along the Gila in Arizona soon learned.

45 posted on 01/05/2014 9:33:36 AM PST by Carry_Okie (0-Care IS Medicaid; they'll pull a sheet over your head and take everything you own to pay for it.)
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To: Graybeard58

Leftist food activists...


46 posted on 01/05/2014 9:44:44 AM PST by Patriotic1 (Dic mihi solum facta, domina - Just the facts, ma'am)
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To: Kaslin
It's unsafe to trust any farm products from China.

All you need to know. That includes _most_ of the garlic on sale, and many of the pet products.

47 posted on 01/05/2014 11:01:23 AM PST by glorgau
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To: Carry_Okie

So you have a problem with supplying nitrogen for corn. American agriculture is the shining star, the nations #1 industry, #1 export, and what is made in America. It is not like the government, you are free not to buy their products. Stop acting like a lib and be grateful for a cheap and abundant food supply.


48 posted on 01/05/2014 2:09:22 PM PST by Neoliberalnot (Marxism works well only with the uneducated and the unarmed.)
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To: Graybeard58

I guess I don’t have a problem with capturing solar energy and converting it into a portable energy source. It is a bit overpriced though. Hitler ran a large part of his war machine using ethanol.


49 posted on 01/05/2014 2:12:52 PM PST by Neoliberalnot (Marxism works well only with the uneducated and the unarmed.)
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To: HereInTheHeartland

Ah, someone that knows something about modern agriculture. A breath of fresh air.


50 posted on 01/05/2014 2:14:35 PM PST by Neoliberalnot (Marxism works well only with the uneducated and the unarmed.)
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