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Battle stations! Navy scrambles destroyer to challenge Russian warship off British coast
The Dailt Mail, UK ^ | 5 January 2014 | Mark Nicol

Posted on 01/05/2014 9:08:48 AM PST by protest1

Battle stations! Navy scrambles destroyer to challenge Russian warship off British coast (but it takes 24 hours to make 600-mile journey from Portsmouth base - was Putin testing our response time?)

(Excerpt) Read more at dailymail.co.uk ...


TOPICS: Foreign Affairs; News/Current Events; Russia; United Kingdom
KEYWORDS: defensecuts; military; royalnavy
They have been keeping this VERY quiet as it occurred on 20th December. I guess the traitors in the UK government won't want the fact that we had ONE destroyer 600 miles and 24 hours away to be commonly known. Also the new Type 45 destroyer does not actually have any anti-ship missiles and is woefully underarmed. Apparently they might upgrade it's armaments at some point.
1 posted on 01/05/2014 9:08:48 AM PST by protest1
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To: protest1

What happened to Scapa Flow? Is it no longer a base?


2 posted on 01/05/2014 9:16:32 AM PST by yarddog (Romans 8: verses 38 and 39. "For I am persuaded".)
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To: protest1

Very strange.

The RAF is more than capable of taking out a ship of any size without even breaking a sweat.

I think that is why the new destroyers don’t have ship-to-ship missiles — they are pretty useless in 99% of all battle situations which will always involve fighters.


3 posted on 01/05/2014 9:16:37 AM PST by freedumb2003 (Fight Tapinophobia in all its forms! Do not submit to arduus privilege.)
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To: protest1

uhm...the British were just buggered! Must be hard to accept that they were once a great naval fleet - but now they are becoming the back water to Islamic radicals and liberal takeover....the decline of the monarchy...but then - so sadly - so are we in the US running the same track they are....


4 posted on 01/05/2014 9:17:08 AM PST by BCW (Salva reipublicae)
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To: protest1
From "The more things change...." department:

On Oct 14, 1939, Guenther Prien and the U-47 penetrated the Royal Navy's primary base at Scapa Flow, and sank the battleship "Royal Oak."

5 posted on 01/05/2014 9:17:10 AM PST by ken5050 (This space available cheap...)
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To: protest1

Looks to me like that Russian vessel is a RADAR techs nightmare.


6 posted on 01/05/2014 9:18:06 AM PST by mongo141 (Revolution ver. 2.0, just a matter of when, not a matter of if!)
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To: protest1

It’s best to be able to Nuke them from Space, in minutes.


7 posted on 01/05/2014 9:18:53 AM PST by Paladin2
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To: protest1

It was a Royal Navy ship NOT a US ship…. breath will ya


8 posted on 01/05/2014 9:22:46 AM PST by Nifster
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To: protest1
...was Putin testing our response time?


9 posted on 01/05/2014 9:31:03 AM PST by 1rudeboy
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To: protest1
from the article:
Last night, Russian expert Jonathan Eyal, from the military think-tank the Royal United Services Institute, said Russia had intended to intimidate Britain. The 600-mile voyage.

He added: ‘The Russian fleet, which is growing in strength and expanding its sphere of influence, wanted to show a presence in the North Sea and sail as close as possible to the national sea boundary.

‘The Russians knew exactly what they were doing. They were saying,
“We are back in business in the North Sea and we are powerful.”

well..they certainly did that, let see IF pResident 0'Butt*uck does the same...
thing..of course; he'd denied it...to the cheers of his fellow traverlers

10 posted on 01/05/2014 9:34:11 AM PST by skinkinthegrass (The end move in politics is always to pick up a gun..0'Caligula / 0'Reid / 0'Pelosi :-)
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To: Nifster

Hi is from Britain.


11 posted on 01/05/2014 9:37:32 AM PST by Sawdring
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To: Sawdring

Maybe reopen Holy Loch ?


12 posted on 01/05/2014 9:40:53 AM PST by Eric in the Ozarks ("Say Not the Struggle Naught Availeth.")
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To: yarddog
What happened to Scapa Flow? Is it no longer a base?

Scapa Flow has always been used in time of war only and was never a permanent base for the RN. It hasn't been in use since the early 1950's.

13 posted on 01/05/2014 9:59:13 AM PST by Lower Deck
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To: Eric in the Ozarks
Maybe reopen Holy Loch ?

Holy Loch was a U.S. base. on the west coast. The RN has a base at Faslane but only has SSNs and SSBNs stationed there.

14 posted on 01/05/2014 9:59:13 AM PST by Lower Deck
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To: protest1

The Federal government spies on us, over-taxes us, and targets us for speaking out against them. DHS considers Christians, conservatives and libertarians to be enemies, so exactly which side should I root for?


15 posted on 01/05/2014 10:03:34 AM PST by grumpygresh (Democrats delenda est. New US economy: Fascism on top, Socialism on the bottom.)
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To: protest1

I suspect the reason Putin did this was to light a fire under the Brits, if not the EU, that their abrogation of military might leaves them wide open.

His purpose is to convince the assembled that they need a military, because if they build one, it will counterbalance the current big advantage, even if just a little, of the US.

It is a subtle thing, but a smart one, from his point of view. Lots of scenarios agree with him.


16 posted on 01/05/2014 10:20:03 AM PST by yefragetuwrabrumuy (There Is Still A Very Hot War On Terror, Just Not On The MSM. Rantburg.com)
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To: protest1

Where’s the Spanish Armada when you need’em?


17 posted on 01/05/2014 10:38:03 AM PST by moovova
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To: protest1

The Harpoon anti-ship missile upgrade is scheduled for 4 of the 6 Type-45 destroyers using equipment taken from de-commissioned ships -

http://www.thinkdefence.co.uk/2013/08/type-45-and-harpoon/

I guess they didn’t want to throw away the quad launchers...:^)


18 posted on 01/05/2014 11:15:02 AM PST by az_gila
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To: freedumb2003

I predict the next major naval war will be fought visually at close ranges because using radar and active sonar is committing suicide. Violating EMCON(EMISSION CONTROL) is like asking to be sunk.


19 posted on 01/05/2014 11:18:06 AM PST by central_va (I won't be reconstructed and I do not give a damn.)
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To: Lower Deck

Closed 1956.


20 posted on 01/05/2014 11:26:14 AM PST by Red Steel
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To: protest1

Why are we called to defend the Brits for something like this?


21 posted on 01/05/2014 11:34:52 AM PST by ImJustAnotherOkie (zerogottago)
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To: freedumb2003
There was a post on FR last week about the Type 45, and I didn't think it was all that great looking a vessel.

But at the request of a fellow Freeper, I used Photoshop to add some dazzle camo, and...voila! Good looking warship! Funny how the dazzle made it look more...warlike!


22 posted on 01/05/2014 11:37:25 AM PST by rlmorel ("A nation, despicable by its weakness, forfeits even the privilege of being neutral." A. Hamilton)
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To: yarddog
What happened to Scapa Flow? Is it no longer a base?

Scapa Flow flew??

23 posted on 01/05/2014 11:43:21 AM PST by Don Corleone ("Oil the gun..eat the cannoli. Take it to the Mattress.")
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To: Lower Deck
A buddy was stationed there many years ago. He was on a sub tender.
He liked Scotland a lot, so much so that a young women followed him back to Minnesota a couple years after he left the US Navy and presented him with a young pre teen boy.
This would have been fine, except he already had a wife and son in Minnesota...
24 posted on 01/05/2014 11:53:43 AM PST by Eric in the Ozarks ("Say Not the Struggle Naught Availeth.")
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To: grumpygresh

“...so exactly which side should I root for?”

The side of the Constitution, and the nation it created.

Sometimes — as the present — that nation is saddled with a government that is hostile to that nation, and that Constitution. The Founders would say such a government is illegitimate, and I concur.


25 posted on 01/05/2014 12:55:41 PM PST by ought-six ( Multiculturalism is national suicide, and political correctness is the cyanide capsule.)
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To: ken5050

His sub along with the entire crew was sunk in 1941. I guess the British got even with him :)


26 posted on 01/05/2014 1:04:26 PM PST by minnesota_bound
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To: protest1

“was Putin testing our response time?”

No. I’m sure he has precise data on that.

Testing our resolve, more likely.

I find that worrisome.


27 posted on 01/05/2014 2:15:37 PM PST by dsc (Any attempt to move a government to the left is a crime against humanity.)
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To: freedumb2003

Beg to differ. Coordinated time-on-top, over-the-horizon, Harpoon attacks from several points of the compass are remarkably effective against surface targets.


28 posted on 01/05/2014 2:20:11 PM PST by dsc (Any attempt to move a government to the left is a crime against humanity.)
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To: dsc

>>Coordinated time-on-top, over-the-horizon, Harpoon attacks from several points of the compass are remarkably effective against surface targets.<<

But are they BETTER than A2S?


29 posted on 01/05/2014 2:24:02 PM PST by freedumb2003 (Fight Tapinophobia in all its forms! Do not submit to arduus privilege.)
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To: protest1

Fwiw, I've also read that the Russian ship (no type published, file photo used in reports) was "sheltering in the Firth from adverse weather conditions", according to the Russians...

30 posted on 01/05/2014 2:28:30 PM PST by logi_cal869
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To: protest1

This is the press reports.

The RN has HMS Portland in Rosyth, which is a a Type 23 frigate that could have responded quicker.

They also had an SSN in the area shadowing the Slava cruiser...which itself could have taken her out at any time.

Finally, the RAF was well aware of the approaching vessel through all sorts of surveillance and SIGINT they had. They too could have responded if there had been any perceived threat.

The RN choose to send a Type 45 up there (at a long distance) more to give the Type 45 the experience.

Finally, four of the six Type 45s are receiving their eight Harpoon anti-shipping missiles, which they were designed all along to be able to carry.

The Type 45 is an excellent destroyer, just too few of them at six. They should have built at least 12 of them IMHO.

Thye current PLANS for the Royal Navy include the six Type 45 DDGs, the 13 Type 23 FFGs which are very capable vessels, the 7 Astute SSNs, the Ocean LHA, the two LPDs, and the two new aircraft carriers.

The vessels they have will be extremely modern and extremely capable...just too few of them IMHO. Would have been better to have 12 DDGs, 24 FFGs, and 12 SSNs. But it is what it is.


31 posted on 01/05/2014 3:31:53 PM PST by Jeff Head
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To: minnesota_bound

I don’t think the British got even with him. They did get revenge tho.


32 posted on 01/05/2014 4:30:52 PM PST by yarddog (Romans 8: verses 38 and 39. "For I am persuaded".)
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To: rlmorel
That was me...and thanks again.

I'm now requesting that you use Photoshop to overlay dazzle camo on a picture of Moochelle Obama..

33 posted on 01/05/2014 7:13:18 PM PST by ken5050 (This space available cheap...)
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To: ken5050
LOL...there are just some things you cannot improve..


34 posted on 01/05/2014 8:04:32 PM PST by rlmorel ("A nation, despicable by its weakness, forfeits even the privilege of being neutral." A. Hamilton)
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To: yefragetuwrabrumuy

Perhaps.....Putin is a lot of things but stupid is NOT one of them.


35 posted on 01/06/2014 1:02:44 AM PST by nvscanman
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To: freedumb2003

Sunk is sunk.


36 posted on 01/06/2014 1:54:42 AM PST by dsc (Any attempt to move a government to the left is a crime against humanity.)
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