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Will surge of older workers take jobs from young?
WTOP News (Washington DC) ^ | 4 January 2014 | MATT SEDENSKY, Associated Press

Posted on 01/05/2014 4:41:51 PM PST by COBOL2Java

Edited on 01/05/2014 4:47:03 PM PST by Sidebar Moderator. [history]

CHICAGO (AP) -- It's an assertion that has been accepted as fact by droves of the unemployed: Older people remaining on the job later in life are stealing jobs from young people.

One problem, many economists say: It isn't supported by a wisp of fact.


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KEYWORDS: babyboomers; seniors; trends; workforce
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1 posted on 01/05/2014 4:41:51 PM PST by COBOL2Java
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To: COBOL2Java
It's an assertion that has been accepted as fact by droves of the unemployed: Older people remaining on the job later in life are stealing jobs from young people. One problem, many economists say: It isn't supported by a wisp of fact.

I remember how for years people were told be a teacher, there is a great need. And lo, many answered the call and got their degrees and credentials, only to find incredible competition for few jobs because... the older teachers were not retiring. And really, what are older people to do when they can't afford to stop working?

2 posted on 01/05/2014 4:48:56 PM PST by Mastador1 (I'll take a bad dog over a good politician any day!)
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To: COBOL2Java

Welcome to the effects of Obamanomics! The young who have not developed those skills required to succeed in the work force will very likely be edged out of the work force by those older workers who do have the skills who are realizing that Obamanomics has so destroyed the economy that the older workers cannot retire when they had planned to retire.


3 posted on 01/05/2014 4:49:41 PM PST by MIchaelTArchangel (Have a wonderful day!)
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To: COBOL2Java
Older people remaining on the job later in life are stealing jobs from young people.

"Stealing"? Really? That's a heck of a spin job.

So that's the mindset libs want people to have, in preparation to push euthanasia for "older" people.

4 posted on 01/05/2014 4:51:04 PM PST by jeffc (The U.S. media are our enemy)
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5 posted on 01/05/2014 4:52:34 PM PST by dfwgator
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To: jeffc

Eventuallly, yes.


6 posted on 01/05/2014 4:53:33 PM PST by right way right (What's it gonna take? (guillotines?))
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To: COBOL2Java

The media will do anything it can to take the public’s eye off Obama.


7 posted on 01/05/2014 4:54:33 PM PST by DoughtyOne (ZERO is still zero!)
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To: COBOL2Java
YES, cuz the kids know that mommy will squeeze the money our of her divorced husband, by hook or by crook.

Uhoh, too cynical???

8 posted on 01/05/2014 4:54:40 PM PST by cloudmountain
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To: COBOL2Java

The biggest problem with a lot of the younger workers is the lack of any kind of work ethic. They are, after all, ENTITLED to a high salary with full benefits. Uncle bammy told them so. Employers don’t need that kind of BS.


9 posted on 01/05/2014 4:54:41 PM PST by 43north (I could never be a liberal because I can't get my head far enough up my arse.)
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To: DoughtyOne
this could just as easily have been said by barack obama...except that he dare not speak the truth about socializm..


10 posted on 01/05/2014 4:56:47 PM PST by MeshugeMikey ( a Safe..and Sane....2014 To All!)
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To: COBOL2Java
I wonder if I'm the only one so far to have actually read the article.
11 posted on 01/05/2014 4:59:52 PM PST by hinckley buzzard
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To: COBOL2Java

Since I will probably have to work for the duration, I look at social security as a tax cut. It isn’t really a benefit per say, it’s just I will have my taxes offset by “income” from uncle sugar. We could forgo the paper and just let everyone off the hook for Federal taxes when they reach 62.5.


12 posted on 01/05/2014 4:59:54 PM PST by central_va (I won't be reconstructed and I do not give a damn.)
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To: 43north
Damn right. When I was young, jobs were so scarce, kids actually dressed nice for an interview at McDonald's.

It took me over 20 years of hard work in my profession to finally crack the big 60K mark (well, I actually got there sooner, by moving to Japan, but that's another story) and kids today think they are entitled to that kind of money fresh out of college.

13 posted on 01/05/2014 5:00:12 PM PST by Vigilanteman (Obama: Fake black man. Fake Messiah. Fake American. How many fakes can you fit in one Zer0?)
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To: hinckley buzzard
I wonder if I'm the only one so far to have actually read the article.

I tried to post more of the article, but the Sidebar Moderator cut me back to just a few lines. Don't know why. Used to be you could post up to a couple hundred lines; now you only get a few.

14 posted on 01/05/2014 5:02:15 PM PST by COBOL2Java (I'm a Christian, pro-life, pro-gun, Reaganite. The GOP hates me. Why should I vote for them?)
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To: COBOL2Java

How about illegal immigrants in professional jobs squeezing young grads out. H-1B did more damage to high tech grads then older workers. Thirty years ago high tech companies would hire college grads and try them out for 2-3 years. They were looking for grads from good schools, good GPA and overall good appearance/performance at interview. They were looking for potential. Today they hold up a H-1B guy name Wang from China who has five years of work experience and tells US college grads can you compete in the following - work experience; lower pay; indentured to company for 7 years; afraid of pissing off management; no need for health insurance per Obamacare laws. Since you cannot, goodbye, come back when you can.


15 posted on 01/05/2014 5:03:16 PM PST by Fee
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To: COBOL2Java

“It isn’t supported by a wisp of fact.”

It seems to me if an older worker is laid off, he might as well be six feet under ‘cause his outlook for a new job is pretty stark. Of course, that’s just my personal experience.


16 posted on 01/05/2014 5:04:49 PM PST by freeangel ( (free speech is only good until someone else doesn't like it)
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To: COBOL2Java

If you make the min wage $15/hr I bet they will...


17 posted on 01/05/2014 5:07:47 PM PST by ltc8k6
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To: 43north
The biggest problem with hiring older workers has been their health insurance. Voila, Obamacare will take care of that as more companies throw their employees to the ACA. Welcome once again to the land of unexpected outcomes.
18 posted on 01/05/2014 5:10:44 PM PST by jdsteel (Give me freedom, not more government.)
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To: jeffc

Exactly, Jeff. The liberals whining about it are responsible for it. If the Obama / democrat economy were not so bad many older people could retire earlier.


19 posted on 01/05/2014 5:11:22 PM PST by plain talk
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To: COBOL2Java

Not if Charles Krauthammer gets his way with a higher “minimum wage” for older workers...


20 posted on 01/05/2014 5:11:53 PM PST by moovova
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To: jdsteel

Also, now that they won’t have to worry about paying for their employees’ healthcare, one of the major advantages of offshoring goes “bye bye.”


21 posted on 01/05/2014 5:12:34 PM PST by dfwgator
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To: 43north

As a supervisor (years ago), I had to attend seminar after seminar on how to be a good supervisor. I got pretty sick of the constant emphasis on ‘us’ so at one of these things, I asked the instructor when they were going to start seminars on how to be a “good employee” .... you know, those details like coming to work on time, being dressed appropriately, general ‘office’ etiquette, things that should just be a “given” and that we supervisory types had to waste time with and attend seminars to learn how to correct without getting the company sued for discrimination or something. She was speechless - never did answer the question.


22 posted on 01/05/2014 5:16:41 PM PST by MissMagnolia (You see, truth always resides wherever brave men still have ammunition. I pick truth. (John Ransom))
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To: freeangel

Mine too. If you’re over 50 and still have a job, try to keep it for as long as you can. Once you’re unemployed over that age, it’s a lot harder to get another job.


23 posted on 01/05/2014 5:17:23 PM PST by Prince of Space (Be Breitbart, baby. LIFB.)
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To: COBOL2Java

Circular logic. Nobody is hiring young people because the older people are holding onto their jobs. Nobody is hiring old people because employers are afraid they’ll get sick and drive up health care costs.

The jobs aren’t there because we have an anti-business president and his party. But that would be racism to say that.


24 posted on 01/05/2014 5:18:19 PM PST by OrangeHoof (2001-2008: "Dissent Is Patriotism!" 2009-2016: "Dissent Is Racism!")
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To: cloudmountain

What?


25 posted on 01/05/2014 5:18:44 PM PST by svcw (Not 'hope and change' but 'dopes in chains')
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To: COBOL2Java

Draw attention away from the failures and horrors of Obamacare.

Keep Americans envious and suspicious of each other.

Stir up resentment of neighbors, friends and relatives.

Divide us into groups and keep those groups pitted against one another.

That’s the Obama Land way.


26 posted on 01/05/2014 5:20:37 PM PST by Iron Munro (Orwell: There are some ideas so absurd that only an intellectual could believe them.)
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To: COBOL2Java
In the microeconomic view of things, Pelosi remaining in her job at the age with an IQ of 73 does deny others her district's seat in Congress or a chance to ascend to the leadership.

Fixed it.


27 posted on 01/05/2014 5:25:23 PM PST by gitmo (If your theology doesn't become your biography, what good is it?)
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To: COBOL2Java

Misleading The problem isn’t old people working. The problem is the wholesale destruction of millions of jobs these last four years so that old and young alike are being hurt.


28 posted on 01/05/2014 5:26:51 PM PST by faithhopecharity (no)
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To: COBOL2Java

Got to be kidding.

While some older workers may remain on the job, no company is hiring an older worker from the outside unless filling an affirmative action goal.


29 posted on 01/05/2014 5:35:32 PM PST by School of Rational Thought
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To: COBOL2Java

It’s like the big hype about the need for “STEM” graduates.


30 posted on 01/05/2014 5:44:44 PM PST by Aglooka (Just another day in the USSA.)
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To: COBOL2Java

NO! THE ILLEGAL ALIENS HAVE BEEN STEALING AMERICAN JOBS FOR YEARS AND THE RINOS WANT TO MAKE THEM LEGAL SO THEY CAN BRING THE REST OF THEIR FAMILIES AND STEAL MORE AMERICAN JOBS.


31 posted on 01/05/2014 5:48:08 PM PST by chicagolady (Mexican Elite say: EXPORT Poverty and Let the the Stupid AmericanTaxpayer foot the bill !)
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To: COBOL2Java
lets see... Medicare went from 65 to 66+ and will be 70 soon, combined with the market crash, what are we supposed to do???
32 posted on 01/05/2014 5:50:31 PM PST by Chode (Stand UP and Be Counted, or line up and be numbered - *DTOM* -vvv- NO Pity for the LAZY - 86-44)
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To: COBOL2Java

Just wait until FedGov decides to give all of an unpleasant haircut on our life savings, savings that were the cornerstone of our retirement plans. NOBODY will be able to retire after that. Everybody will work until they die on the job.


33 posted on 01/05/2014 5:55:34 PM PST by ProtectOurFreedom
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To: Vigilanteman

If you’re like me, 60k was a huge amount of money back then. Today, not so much. You used to buy a mansion for that...today it buys you a cardboard box. Roughly speaking, of course.


34 posted on 01/05/2014 5:57:36 PM PST by ProtectOurFreedom
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To: COBOL2Java

No, the jobs are occupied by illegals. But more significantly, the majority of youth under 25 aren’t even bothering to look for work - they are amassing huge debt that will never be discharged via bankruptcy, with little likelihood of finding a job that will pay off that massive debt, living at home with their parents, on their parent’s health plans.

The insignificant portion ‘taken’ by older workers is the leftovers that youth haven’t even bothered to apply for.

But of course, economists have already stated this.


35 posted on 01/05/2014 6:00:40 PM PST by kingu (Everything starts with slashing the size and scope of the federal government.)
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To: Vigilanteman

Damn right. When I was young, jobs were so scarce, kids actually dressed nice for an interview at McDonald’s.
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Correct etc but, this isn’t really a new problem.
I was ‘fortunate’ that I was ‘allowed’ to work while a teenager in HS, and between working and schooling by the Nuns, I was more than ready when I joined the Navy at 17.
By the time I got out at 25 I was ‘ready’ for the world.

Even in the 80’s - back when I was still drinking - I remember people come sashaying into the bar at 1PM or so, sit down, have a drink or two, THEN ask if the bar was hiring.
Very rare when someone came in with a pen to fill out the application and when asked - mostly by someone like me - “What would possess you to have a drink BEFORE the interview” and the stock answer would be along the line of “I wanted to see what kind of customers I would be serving”.

I used to have a ‘rule of thumb’ that if you showed up looking for work at 6AM with your lunch, I would find something for you to do.

I worked at/ran Asphalt Companies and/or Plants which made it possible to have and keep that attitude.


36 posted on 01/05/2014 6:05:56 PM PST by xrmusn (6/98 --STUPIDITY?: Lets remove warning labels so we can level the playing field.)
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To: Vigilanteman

Sixty K is more than I make now but it ain’t really all that much. At age 25 in 1969 with no degree I was earning $7700. a year which bought a heck of a lot more cars, houses, gasoline and groceries than $60000. will buy now. There were jobs available for young people with a fresh degree offering as much as I was earning or more along with a company car and expense account and other great benefits which probably amounted to the equivalent of a hundred grand a year or more now. What a nice apartment rented for in those days in Charlotte, NC will buy a couple of bags of groceries now. Health insurance was not even a concern for someone at that age, you could buy very good coverage for ten or fifteen dollars a month as an individual if you did not have employer paid insurance. If you had no insurance you could walk into the doctor’s office with no appointment, sit down and wait and usually see the doctor within an hour or two and pay five dollars for the visit.

Recent studies have reported that a new college degree now is worth considerably LESS on the job market than a public high school diploma was worth in my day. It’s hard for me to blame the young folks for being unhappy when they spend years getting a degree, run up big student loans and then wind up taking a job that I would not have considered taking as a high school graduate.


37 posted on 01/05/2014 6:16:35 PM PST by RipSawyer (The TREE currently falling on you actually IS worse than a Bush.)
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To: cloudmountain
YES, cuz the kids know that mommy will squeeze the money our of her divorced husband, by hook or by crook.

One would suppose that you have been to divorce court one or twice.. I have, and it's not the halls of justice, no matter what it's called.. jus sayin.. :)

38 posted on 01/05/2014 6:18:52 PM PST by carlo3b (Corrupt politicians make the other ten percent look bad.. Henry Kissinger)
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To: COBOL2Java

The higher the minimum age, the more likely. Would you hire a 16 year old to flip burgers or a 60 year old? Which would know more, which would you assume would be most reliable? A “retired” senior citizen could get excited about flipping burgers for $15 an hour. Minimum wage increases attracts older people now. The youngsters are the losers in this game. They have no experience, no skills, and no proven record.


39 posted on 01/05/2014 6:22:20 PM PST by ThePatriotsFlag (...and to the Republic for which it stood.)
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To: ProtectOurFreedom

Some people just don’t seem to realize what has happened to the dollar. In a lot of places sixty thousand won’t buy you a tiny lot to put a cardboard box on. I was born during WWII and I clearly recall when that much would have bought a large farm with a FINE house, outbuildings, several large fishponds, farm equipment and livestock. It would have bought ten average small farms in the area where I grew up with money left over back around 1950 and I mean working farms with houses on them.


40 posted on 01/05/2014 6:28:59 PM PST by RipSawyer (The TREE currently falling on you actually IS worse than a Bush.)
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To: jeffc

“Older people remaining on the job later in life are stealing jobs from young people. “

If this is the logic they are using then congress is stealing
their positions from younger people since they never seem to retire and in some cases are there when they are in their late 80’s or even longer. Strom Thurmond was 100 years old and he dies while still in office I believe.


41 posted on 01/05/2014 6:29:09 PM PST by funfan
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To: MeshugeMikey

There you go...


42 posted on 01/05/2014 6:34:02 PM PST by DoughtyOne (ZERO is still zero!A)
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To: jeffc

Then they want to raise the retirement age for people, but don’t want them to work. Doesn’t make sense. Sounds like a liberal.


43 posted on 01/05/2014 6:41:23 PM PST by virgil
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To: COBOL2Java
The commonly accepted vision of a surge of workers looks like this: A young post-doctoral student dreams of a full-time teaching job at their university, but there are no openings. An 80-something professor who has remained on the job long past what's considered "normal" retirement is blamed,

That's a poor analogy. The US is probably overproducing liberal arts PhDs and lawyers. And underproducing engineers and doctors.

At a recent industry meeting I sat next to an 84 year old doctor who was still doing some consulting work. If he retired completely, could a young doctor take his place? Not a chance, his expertise would just be lost.

The question that should be asked is, "Why is has unemployment remained so high during this economic recovery?"

44 posted on 01/05/2014 6:44:28 PM PST by Sooth2222 ("Suppose you were an idiot. And suppose you were a member of congress. But I repeat myself." M.Twain)
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To: OrangeHoof
The jobs aren’t there because we have an anti-business president and his party. But that would be racism to say that.

It would also be spot on.

Let's say you own a couple of fast-food franchises in town, Wendy's, McDonald's whatever.

Now that you are hiring exclusively part-timers to avoid the ACA, which would you rather have? A polite woman in her late 50s who may not be really fast, but shows up for work consistently, knows how to make change, and gets customer orders right? Or your typical college drop-out with a nose jewel and attitude who might work a little faster IF she or he wasn't out too late the night before getting drunk, stoned or laid? Not a tough decision.

I can show you the fast food places in my town where you get great service because they hire the former kind. And those which give poor to mediocre service because they hire the later kind.

45 posted on 01/05/2014 6:51:02 PM PST by Vigilanteman (Obama: Fake black man. Fake Messiah. Fake American. How many fakes can you fit in one Zer0?)
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To: RipSawyer

Lots of countries introduce “new” currencies to lop zeroes off the old, highly inflated currency. The US needs to do that — lop one or maybe even two decimal points off everything. Then cars would be $3,000 again, houses $30,000, a box of corn flakes $0.50, a candy bar a nickel, a newspaper a dime, etc.

Now if we could only hold onto our “old currency” salaries and switch to the “new dollar,” we’d be in heaven.


46 posted on 01/05/2014 7:22:05 PM PST by ProtectOurFreedom
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To: COBOL2Java
Stealing jobs from limp wristed pajama boys like him:


47 posted on 01/05/2014 7:25:01 PM PST by P-Marlowe (There can be no Victory without a fight and no battle without wounds)
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To: COBOL2Java

A person doesn’t “steal” a job. One beats out the competition with better skills and a better work ethic.


48 posted on 01/05/2014 7:26:38 PM PST by TNoldman (AN AMERICAN FOR A MUSLIM/BHO FREE AMERICA.)
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To: Mastador1
CHICAGO (AP) -- It's an assertion that has been accepted as fact by droves of the unemployed: Older people remaining on the job later in life are stealing jobs from young people.

"Stealing" jobs from young people? Let us not loose track here, Obama has been "stealing" jobs from young people by imposing the largest tax hike in history, i.e. Obamacare.

For an older person to be working is now "stealing"?

49 posted on 01/05/2014 7:36:58 PM PST by The_Media_never_lie (The media must be defeated any way it can be done.)
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To: Vigilanteman
The jobs aren’t there because we have an anti-business president and his party. But that would be racism to say that.

That would be the absent Obama "economic recovery" jobs.

The minimum wage and low skill jobs aren't there because of some poorly negotiated free trade agreements made during the 1990s. (The minimum wage in India is about $689 per year!) Since we can't compete with places like India for low cost labor, that means that we need to compete by being able to do things that they can't do. And the problem with that is rooted in the dismal performance of the US public school system, and the resulting lack of basic skills and knowledge of many graduates. The majority of Americans have been poorly served by their government's policies on a number of different levels.

50 posted on 01/05/2014 7:46:00 PM PST by Sooth2222 ("Suppose you were an idiot. And suppose you were a member of congress. But I repeat myself." M.Twain)
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