Skip to comments.Will surge of older workers take jobs from young?
Posted on 01/05/2014 4:41:51 PM PST by COBOL2JavaEdited on 01/05/2014 4:47:03 PM PST by Sidebar Moderator. [history]
CHICAGO (AP) -- It's an assertion that has been accepted as fact by droves of the unemployed: Older people remaining on the job later in life are stealing jobs from young people.
One problem, many economists say: It isn't supported by a wisp of fact.
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I remember how for years people were told be a teacher, there is a great need. And lo, many answered the call and got their degrees and credentials, only to find incredible competition for few jobs because... the older teachers were not retiring. And really, what are older people to do when they can't afford to stop working?
Welcome to the effects of Obamanomics! The young who have not developed those skills required to succeed in the work force will very likely be edged out of the work force by those older workers who do have the skills who are realizing that Obamanomics has so destroyed the economy that the older workers cannot retire when they had planned to retire.
"Stealing"? Really? That's a heck of a spin job.
So that's the mindset libs want people to have, in preparation to push euthanasia for "older" people.
The media will do anything it can to take the public’s eye off Obama.
Uhoh, too cynical???
The biggest problem with a lot of the younger workers is the lack of any kind of work ethic. They are, after all, ENTITLED to a high salary with full benefits. Uncle bammy told them so. Employers don’t need that kind of BS.
Since I will probably have to work for the duration, I look at social security as a tax cut. It isn’t really a benefit per say, it’s just I will have my taxes offset by “income” from uncle sugar. We could forgo the paper and just let everyone off the hook for Federal taxes when they reach 62.5.
It took me over 20 years of hard work in my profession to finally crack the big 60K mark (well, I actually got there sooner, by moving to Japan, but that's another story) and kids today think they are entitled to that kind of money fresh out of college.
I tried to post more of the article, but the Sidebar Moderator cut me back to just a few lines. Don't know why. Used to be you could post up to a couple hundred lines; now you only get a few.
How about illegal immigrants in professional jobs squeezing young grads out. H-1B did more damage to high tech grads then older workers. Thirty years ago high tech companies would hire college grads and try them out for 2-3 years. They were looking for grads from good schools, good GPA and overall good appearance/performance at interview. They were looking for potential. Today they hold up a H-1B guy name Wang from China who has five years of work experience and tells US college grads can you compete in the following - work experience; lower pay; indentured to company for 7 years; afraid of pissing off management; no need for health insurance per Obamacare laws. Since you cannot, goodbye, come back when you can.
“It isn’t supported by a wisp of fact.”
It seems to me if an older worker is laid off, he might as well be six feet under ‘cause his outlook for a new job is pretty stark. Of course, that’s just my personal experience.
If you make the min wage $15/hr I bet they will...
Exactly, Jeff. The liberals whining about it are responsible for it. If the Obama / democrat economy were not so bad many older people could retire earlier.
Not if Charles Krauthammer gets his way with a higher “minimum wage” for older workers...
Also, now that they won’t have to worry about paying for their employees’ healthcare, one of the major advantages of offshoring goes “bye bye.”
As a supervisor (years ago), I had to attend seminar after seminar on how to be a good supervisor. I got pretty sick of the constant emphasis on ‘us’ so at one of these things, I asked the instructor when they were going to start seminars on how to be a “good employee” .... you know, those details like coming to work on time, being dressed appropriately, general ‘office’ etiquette, things that should just be a “given” and that we supervisory types had to waste time with and attend seminars to learn how to correct without getting the company sued for discrimination or something. She was speechless - never did answer the question.
Mine too. If you’re over 50 and still have a job, try to keep it for as long as you can. Once you’re unemployed over that age, it’s a lot harder to get another job.
Circular logic. Nobody is hiring young people because the older people are holding onto their jobs. Nobody is hiring old people because employers are afraid they’ll get sick and drive up health care costs.
The jobs aren’t there because we have an anti-business president and his party. But that would be racism to say that.
Draw attention away from the failures and horrors of Obamacare.
Keep Americans envious and suspicious of each other.
Stir up resentment of neighbors, friends and relatives.
Divide us into groups and keep those groups pitted against one another.
That’s the Obama Land way.
Misleading The problem isn’t old people working. The problem is the wholesale destruction of millions of jobs these last four years so that old and young alike are being hurt.
Got to be kidding.
While some older workers may remain on the job, no company is hiring an older worker from the outside unless filling an affirmative action goal.
It’s like the big hype about the need for “STEM” graduates.
NO! THE ILLEGAL ALIENS HAVE BEEN STEALING AMERICAN JOBS FOR YEARS AND THE RINOS WANT TO MAKE THEM LEGAL SO THEY CAN BRING THE REST OF THEIR FAMILIES AND STEAL MORE AMERICAN JOBS.
Just wait until FedGov decides to give all of an unpleasant haircut on our life savings, savings that were the cornerstone of our retirement plans. NOBODY will be able to retire after that. Everybody will work until they die on the job.
If you’re like me, 60k was a huge amount of money back then. Today, not so much. You used to buy a mansion for that...today it buys you a cardboard box. Roughly speaking, of course.
No, the jobs are occupied by illegals. But more significantly, the majority of youth under 25 aren’t even bothering to look for work - they are amassing huge debt that will never be discharged via bankruptcy, with little likelihood of finding a job that will pay off that massive debt, living at home with their parents, on their parent’s health plans.
The insignificant portion ‘taken’ by older workers is the leftovers that youth haven’t even bothered to apply for.
But of course, economists have already stated this.
Damn right. When I was young, jobs were so scarce, kids actually dressed nice for an interview at McDonald’s.
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Correct etc but, this isn’t really a new problem.
I was ‘fortunate’ that I was ‘allowed’ to work while a teenager in HS, and between working and schooling by the Nuns, I was more than ready when I joined the Navy at 17.
By the time I got out at 25 I was ‘ready’ for the world.
Even in the 80’s - back when I was still drinking - I remember people come sashaying into the bar at 1PM or so, sit down, have a drink or two, THEN ask if the bar was hiring.
Very rare when someone came in with a pen to fill out the application and when asked - mostly by someone like me - “What would possess you to have a drink BEFORE the interview” and the stock answer would be along the line of “I wanted to see what kind of customers I would be serving”.
I used to have a ‘rule of thumb’ that if you showed up looking for work at 6AM with your lunch, I would find something for you to do.
I worked at/ran Asphalt Companies and/or Plants which made it possible to have and keep that attitude.
Sixty K is more than I make now but it ain’t really all that much. At age 25 in 1969 with no degree I was earning $7700. a year which bought a heck of a lot more cars, houses, gasoline and groceries than $60000. will buy now. There were jobs available for young people with a fresh degree offering as much as I was earning or more along with a company car and expense account and other great benefits which probably amounted to the equivalent of a hundred grand a year or more now. What a nice apartment rented for in those days in Charlotte, NC will buy a couple of bags of groceries now. Health insurance was not even a concern for someone at that age, you could buy very good coverage for ten or fifteen dollars a month as an individual if you did not have employer paid insurance. If you had no insurance you could walk into the doctor’s office with no appointment, sit down and wait and usually see the doctor within an hour or two and pay five dollars for the visit.
Recent studies have reported that a new college degree now is worth considerably LESS on the job market than a public high school diploma was worth in my day. It’s hard for me to blame the young folks for being unhappy when they spend years getting a degree, run up big student loans and then wind up taking a job that I would not have considered taking as a high school graduate.
One would suppose that you have been to divorce court one or twice.. I have, and it's not the halls of justice, no matter what it's called.. jus sayin.. :)
The higher the minimum age, the more likely. Would you hire a 16 year old to flip burgers or a 60 year old? Which would know more, which would you assume would be most reliable? A “retired” senior citizen could get excited about flipping burgers for $15 an hour. Minimum wage increases attracts older people now. The youngsters are the losers in this game. They have no experience, no skills, and no proven record.
Some people just don’t seem to realize what has happened to the dollar. In a lot of places sixty thousand won’t buy you a tiny lot to put a cardboard box on. I was born during WWII and I clearly recall when that much would have bought a large farm with a FINE house, outbuildings, several large fishponds, farm equipment and livestock. It would have bought ten average small farms in the area where I grew up with money left over back around 1950 and I mean working farms with houses on them.
“Older people remaining on the job later in life are stealing jobs from young people. “
If this is the logic they are using then congress is stealing
their positions from younger people since they never seem to retire and in some cases are there when they are in their late 80’s or even longer. Strom Thurmond was 100 years old and he dies while still in office I believe.
There you go...
Then they want to raise the retirement age for people, but don’t want them to work. Doesn’t make sense. Sounds like a liberal.
That's a poor analogy. The US is probably overproducing liberal arts PhDs and lawyers. And underproducing engineers and doctors.
At a recent industry meeting I sat next to an 84 year old doctor who was still doing some consulting work. If he retired completely, could a young doctor take his place? Not a chance, his expertise would just be lost.
The question that should be asked is, "Why is has unemployment remained so high during this economic recovery?"
It would also be spot on.
Let's say you own a couple of fast-food franchises in town, Wendy's, McDonald's whatever.
Now that you are hiring exclusively part-timers to avoid the ACA, which would you rather have? A polite woman in her late 50s who may not be really fast, but shows up for work consistently, knows how to make change, and gets customer orders right? Or your typical college drop-out with a nose jewel and attitude who might work a little faster IF she or he wasn't out too late the night before getting drunk, stoned or laid? Not a tough decision.
I can show you the fast food places in my town where you get great service because they hire the former kind. And those which give poor to mediocre service because they hire the later kind.
Lots of countries introduce “new” currencies to lop zeroes off the old, highly inflated currency. The US needs to do that — lop one or maybe even two decimal points off everything. Then cars would be $3,000 again, houses $30,000, a box of corn flakes $0.50, a candy bar a nickel, a newspaper a dime, etc.
Now if we could only hold onto our “old currency” salaries and switch to the “new dollar,” we’d be in heaven.
A person doesn’t “steal” a job. One beats out the competition with better skills and a better work ethic.
"Stealing" jobs from young people? Let us not loose track here, Obama has been "stealing" jobs from young people by imposing the largest tax hike in history, i.e. Obamacare.
For an older person to be working is now "stealing"?
That would be the absent Obama "economic recovery" jobs.
The minimum wage and low skill jobs aren't there because of some poorly negotiated free trade agreements made during the 1990s. (The minimum wage in India is about $689 per year!) Since we can't compete with places like India for low cost labor, that means that we need to compete by being able to do things that they can't do. And the problem with that is rooted in the dismal performance of the US public school system, and the resulting lack of basic skills and knowledge of many graduates. The majority of Americans have been poorly served by their government's policies on a number of different levels.