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Ready ... aim ... point ... talk - Gun at meeting reportedly rattles foreign delegates
The Times Union of Albany, NY ^ | 10:47 pm, Sunday, January 5, 2014 | James M. Odato

Posted on 01/06/2014 6:08:36 AM PST by FreedomPoster

Jerome M. Hauer, Gov. Andrew Cuomo's director of homeland security, took out his handgun and used the laser sighting device attached to the barrel as a pointer in a presentation to a foreign delegation, according to public officials. It happened Oct. 24 in Albany at the highly secure state emergency operations center below State Police headquarters.

These officials, one of whom claimed to be an eyewitness, said that three Swedish emergency managers in the delegation were rattled when the gun's laser tracked across one of their heads before Hauer found the map of New York, at which he wanted to point.

Hauer, commissioner of the Division of Homeland Security and Emergency Services, was disabled by a stroke a few years ago and can be unsteady. He isn't a law enforcement official. He carries the loaded 9-millimeter Glock in a holster into state buildings, an apparent violation of state law barring state employees from bringing weapons to the workplace, several witnesses say.

The incident with the Swedish delegation occurred during a two-hour briefing at the operations center concerning the state's response to Superstorm Sandy, according to one of the officials.

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Blatant idiocy. If a regular citizen did something like this, he would be jailed and prosecuted for felonies.

Some animals are more equal than others.

1 posted on 01/06/2014 6:08:36 AM PST by FreedomPoster
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To: Joe Brower; Travis McGee; ATLDiver; Pan_Yan; Hoodat; SLB; Lion Den Dan

Isn’t this lovely?


2 posted on 01/06/2014 6:09:56 AM PST by FreedomPoster (Islam delenda est)
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To: FreedomPoster

I have no problem with the man carrying a gun. I have a big problem with him breaking the Second of the Four Rules of Safe Gun Handling.

To review:

1. The gun is always loaded
2. Do not point the gun at anything you do no want to destroy
3. Keep your finger off the trigger until you are ready to shoot
4. Know your target and what is beyond it.


3 posted on 01/06/2014 6:13:02 AM PST by Haiku Guy (Health Care Haiku: If You Have a Right / To the Labor I Provide / I Must Be Your Slave)
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To: FreedomPoster

Laser pointers went out of favor over ten years ago. Anyone still using one today needs to take a refresher course in communication & presentation skills. Nothing is more distracting during a training session than a laser dot swimming around in the middle of a power point slide.


4 posted on 01/06/2014 6:13:40 AM PST by Hoodat (Democrats - Opposing Equal Protection since 1828)
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To: FreedomPoster

More proof that liberals should never be armed unless accompanied by an adult.


5 posted on 01/06/2014 6:14:04 AM PST by FlingWingFlyer (If you like your ObamaCare, you can keep your ObamaCare. I'll pass. PERIOD!)
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To: FreedomPoster

Typical liberal irresponsibility involving firearms, stroke patient notwithstanding. I’m really starting to get onboard with the “liberalism is a mental illness” notion, and that liberals in general ought to be banned from owning firearms or attempting to regulate non-liberal who owns one.


6 posted on 01/06/2014 6:14:47 AM PST by Little Pig (Vi Veri Veniversum Vivus Vici.)
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To: Hoodat

“Nothing is more distracting during a training session than a laser dot swimming around in the middle of a power point slide.”

What is the “in favor” method of pointing at a ppt slide?


7 posted on 01/06/2014 6:19:21 AM PST by Brooklyn Attitude (Things are only going to get worse.)
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To: Little Pig

I suspect the presenter was trying to be cute. Kind of like, “Let’s have a little fun with these fish-smoking Swedes, and show them how we roll in America”.

But a gun is not cute. An unholstered weapon is a deadly serious thing, and should not be used as a joke.


8 posted on 01/06/2014 6:19:25 AM PST by Haiku Guy (Health Care Haiku: If You Have a Right / To the Labor I Provide / I Must Be Your Slave)
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To: Little Pig
I am a profesional
9 posted on 01/06/2014 6:20:04 AM PST by knarf (I say things that are true .. I have no proof .. but they're true.)
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To: Hoodat
Nothing is more distracting during a training session than a laser dot swimming around in the middle of a power point slide.

Actually, there is one thing more distracting... Having a loaded gun pointed at you head!

10 posted on 01/06/2014 6:20:51 AM PST by Haiku Guy (Health Care Haiku: If You Have a Right / To the Labor I Provide / I Must Be Your Slave)
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To: Hoodat

Lasers on firearms are pretty useless in most situations anyway. Unless, of course, you are a mall ninja or a certified “operator”.


11 posted on 01/06/2014 6:23:26 AM PST by NY.SS-Bar9 (Those that vote for a living outnumber those that work for one.)
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To: FreedomPoster

Completely irresponsible and dangerous, especially for someone who had a stroke and can be “unsteady”. Even IF he took the laser off the gun before use it is still a stupid move.


12 posted on 01/06/2014 6:23:57 AM PST by Brooklyn Attitude (Things are only going to get worse.)
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To: FreedomPoster

Someone wanted to impress the Swiss and show them what a big boy he was...instead, just confirmed that the US is being lead by a bunch of idiots!

thanks...liberals!


13 posted on 01/06/2014 6:24:06 AM PST by BCW (Salva reipublicae)
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To: Haiku Guy

Exactly. And I am a big fan of LTC Cooper’s rules, from back when they were what they were/are, and the NRA was running a huge ridiculous list.


14 posted on 01/06/2014 6:24:59 AM PST by FreedomPoster (Islam delenda est)
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To: NY.SS-Bar9

“Lasers on firearms are pretty useless in most situations anyway.”

Ever see someone at the range trying to acquire a target fast using their lazer? Its pretty funny. Open or dot sites are much faster.


15 posted on 01/06/2014 6:29:07 AM PST by Brooklyn Attitude (Things are only going to get worse.)
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To: Brooklyn Attitude
What is the “in favor” method of pointing at a ppt slide?

I never did like laser pointers.
I always have, and always will us a long pointy stick.

16 posted on 01/06/2014 6:33:27 AM PST by grobdriver
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To: FreedomPoster

Should be fired.


17 posted on 01/06/2014 6:34:56 AM PST by School of Rational Thought
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To: FreedomPoster

Well.
Another indication of the weak caliber of the Cuomo administration.

Oh, and I don’t mean 9mm.

Per Wiki, he is also a Giuliani fellow traveler and famous for......drum roll please.

“Jerome Hauer is best known for being the director of the Office of Emergency Management (OEM) when he made the decision to build a $13 million crisis center on the 23rd floor at 7 World Trade Center.[1] This crisis center was unveiled in June 1999, and became the subject of tension between the agency and the Police Department, whose own command center at 1 Police Plaza had until then been the focus of emergency preparedness operations.

As the first director of the new crisis center, “one of Hauer’s first tasks was to find a home for an emergency command center to replace the inadequate facilities at police headquarters,” according to the Times. The site selected, was immediately controversial because it was part of the World Trade Center complex (although not in one of the Twin Towers), which had already been the location of a truck bomb attack in 1993. City officials, though, including Mr. Hauer, have long defended their decision, even after the command center had to be evacuated during the 2001 terror attack. The Emergency Operation Center was widely hailed as the finest such facility in the nation, receiving visitors from around the world and serving as a model for others.

The center was destroyed when the 47-story tower collapsed at about 5:25 p.m. on 9-11.”


18 posted on 01/06/2014 6:35:55 AM PST by Lowell1775
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To: grobdriver

“I never did like laser pointers. I always have, and always will us a long pointy stick.”

Thats really old school. The only problem I have with laser pointers is that many dont work on video screens and using the screen cursor is awkward.


19 posted on 01/06/2014 6:40:32 AM PST by Brooklyn Attitude (Things are only going to get worse.)
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To: FreedomPoster
Some animals are more equal than others.

Especially here in the People's Republic of New York where active and retired law enforcement are exempt from the unSafe Act.
20 posted on 01/06/2014 6:42:54 AM PST by Dahoser (Separation of church and state? No, we need separation of media and state.)
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To: firebrand; rmlew

Ping.


21 posted on 01/06/2014 6:45:27 AM PST by Black Agnes
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To: FreedomPoster

Jesus. He tracked a man’s forehead. WTF.


22 posted on 01/06/2014 6:46:01 AM PST by Lazamataz (Early 2009 to 7/21/2013 - RIP my little girl Cathy. You were the best cat ever. You will be missed.)
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To: Dahoser

If he had more than seven rounds in the magazine, pointing that gun at that Swede’s head would have been really unsafe.


23 posted on 01/06/2014 6:49:19 AM PST by Haiku Guy (Health Care Haiku: If You Have a Right / To the Labor I Provide / I Must Be Your Slave)
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To: FreedomPoster

This is stupid on so many levels.


24 posted on 01/06/2014 6:49:57 AM PST by Eric in the Ozarks ("Say Not the Struggle Naught Availeth.")
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To: grobdriver
I never did like laser pointers. I always have, and always will us a long pointy stick.

Agree. I have given lots of presentations using PPT slides. Hate laser pointers. Always carried a collapsible pointer.

That said, a good presenter should rarely have to use the pointer. Face the audience and talk with the slide behind you. Shows you at least know the material. And forget the cutsy animations.

25 posted on 01/06/2014 6:50:27 AM PST by NewHampshireDuo
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To: Brooklyn Attitude

My rangemaster just laughs when someone comes in with one.

He recommends what he carries, its just a straight narrow bar that runs the length of the barrel, top of the gun. He sights down the edge of it, so simple and fast I can’t believe they aren’t more popular.

He holds the tightest patterns you have ever seen.


26 posted on 01/06/2014 6:53:51 AM PST by Abathar (Proudly posting without reading the article carefully since 2004)
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To: grobdriver
Pointy Stick ? And what if the Presenter chooses to use a Pomegranite ???

(Obligatory Monty Python Reference)

27 posted on 01/06/2014 6:55:27 AM PST by Salgak (http://catalogoftehburningstoopid.blogspot.com 100% all-natural snark !)
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To: knarf

/facepalm

famous last words meets instant karma...


28 posted on 01/06/2014 7:09:05 AM PST by sten (fighting tyranny never goes out of style)
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To: Abathar

“He recommends what he carries, its just a straight narrow bar that runs the length of the barrel, top of the gun. He sights down the edge of it, so simple and fast I can’t believe they aren’t more popular.”

That was recommended in a gun mag about 30 years ago so I tried it on my Dan Wesson using thin strip of white tape along the barrel rib. Worked pretty well except the tape kept getting rubbed off.


29 posted on 01/06/2014 7:09:06 AM PST by Brooklyn Attitude (Things are only going to get worse.)
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To: FreedomPoster

This is What Happens to a Disarmed Populace: They Arm Themselves – Mexican Self-Defense Edition

By Robert Farago on January 5, 2014

When Uncle Sam bitched and moaned about the “iron river” of illegal guns heading south from US gun stores to arm Mexico’s cartels, TTAG called bullsh*t. For one thing, the cartels have hundreds of thousands of guns from decades of “legal” arms sales to South American governments, mostly from the United States. It’s called seepage or, if you prefer, U.S. taxpayer donations. For another, Fast and Furious, wherein the feds enabled the very thing that they were bitching and moaning about. And lastly, Mexicans need guns! To defend themselves against the cartels, corrupt cops and “rogue” government troops. Mexicans don’t have an uninfringable right to keep and bear arms, so they can’t tool-up legally. So . . . they tool-up illegally. Given mass murder of innocents, why wouldn’t they? Wouldn’t you? Make the jump for borderlandbeat.com info on the burgeoning “self-defense” movement of . . . wait for it . . . citizen militias . . .

http://www.thetruthaboutguns.com/


30 posted on 01/06/2014 7:09:27 AM PST by KeyLargo
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To: Brooklyn Attitude

The key is in the development of the slide. Slides should be kept simple and easily visual with limited information so that a speaker can effortlessly refer to a point on the slide with everyone knowing what part to look at. Slides with a lot of writing on them are discouraged. You do not want your audience to be lost in the slide while you are speaking. The speaker should always be the center of focus.


31 posted on 01/06/2014 7:13:07 AM PST by Hoodat (Democrats - Opposing Equal Protection since 1828)
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To: Hoodat

“Jerome M. Hauer, Gov. Andrew Cuomo’s director of homeland security”?..........

That says a lot right there.


32 posted on 01/06/2014 7:25:08 AM PST by DaveA37
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To: Hoodat

That works for most subjects, but certain technical subjects require a large amount of info to make sense. Spreading out that info for 2-3 slides makes the presentation incoherent.

Also, laser pointers are wonderful for highlighting/tracing schematics for the electronically impaired.

Over use of a laser pointer, like most things, defeats their purpose, IMO.

I definitely agree that the speaker is the prime attraction, not the slides. The slides should remind the audience (when later reviewed) of what the speaker said. I know some that use the slides as the primary source - and I HATE delivering their presentations.


33 posted on 01/06/2014 7:46:09 AM PST by MortMan ("Marriage" as a legal concept is the state piggy backing on the Church.)
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To: Haiku Guy
Your point is well made.
Red dot lighted on forehead
is grounds for pink slip.
34 posted on 01/06/2014 7:55:58 AM PST by Hoodat (Democrats - Opposing Equal Protection since 1828)
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To: Brooklyn Attitude

If he removed the laser, reholstered the gun, and then proceeded to used the targeting laser as a laser pointer, then I wouldn’t really have a problem with it (other than the whole liberal nut job with a loaded weapon in a place where the proletariat would be shot on sight for carrying thing). IMO that just falls into the category of using what you have on hand. But using the loaded gun itself as a laser pointer just screams, “As you can see from this map, we deployed our disaster response teams here [bang], here [bang], here [bang], and along the highway here [bang bang bang bang *click]. Oh, excuse me, I need to reload. Now, where was I? Oh, right. We put SWAT teams in these neighborhoods here [bang bang bang]...”

On the bright side, that would make it easier to see exactly where on the map he was indicating! /sarc


35 posted on 01/06/2014 8:06:58 AM PST by lcms rev
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To: Hoodat

Using the one on a handgun, though, does bring a new meaning to the term “bullet points” in a presentation.


36 posted on 01/06/2014 8:06:58 AM PST by Bob
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To: Little Pig

“I’m really starting to get onboard with the “liberalism is a mental illness” notion”

Explained in my profile...you will “get it”.


37 posted on 01/06/2014 8:08:37 AM PST by spankalib ("I freed a thousand slaves. I could have freed a thousand more if only they knew they were slaves.")
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"What is the “in favor” method of pointing at a ppt slide?"

A telescoping pointer in small venues. A cursor in large venues.

Bullet holes using tracer rounds in the screen for NY State officials.

38 posted on 01/06/2014 8:17:05 AM PST by Paladin2
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To: grobdriver
"I always have, and always will us a long pointy stick. "

Whacking the screen with a laser doesn't have the same effect.

39 posted on 01/06/2014 8:19:23 AM PST by Paladin2
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To: NewHampshireDuo
"That said, a good presenter should rarely have to use the pointer"

Mostly to be used during the questions session as the info on a previously used slide is used as a discussion item.

40 posted on 01/06/2014 8:22:41 AM PST by Paladin2
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To: Hoodat
The key is in the development of the slide. Slides should be kept simple and easily visual with limited information so that a speaker can effortlessly refer to a point on the slide with everyone knowing what part to look at. Slides with a lot of writing on them are discouraged. You do not want your audience to be lost in the slide while you are speaking. The speaker should always be the center of focus.

Totally agree. I've been saying the same thing for years! The WORST presentation starts with "this slide shows us several interesting things"

41 posted on 01/06/2014 8:23:37 AM PST by edwinland
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To: NY.SS-Bar9

Lasers work very well on “bedroom guns” for fast acquisition in dark rooms.


42 posted on 01/06/2014 8:27:16 AM PST by VanShuyten ("a shadow...draped nobly in the folds of a gorgeous eloquence.")
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To: Paladin2
Whacking the screen with a laser doesn't have the same effect.

Or the desk of a nodding student - especially when you get the angle and swing just right, and the pointer hits the desk simultaneously along its length.

Thwack!

43 posted on 01/06/2014 8:35:45 AM PST by grobdriver
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To: VanShuyten

On TV maybe, or in the movies, possibly in COD Ghosts.

Not in real life.


44 posted on 01/06/2014 9:09:10 AM PST by NY.SS-Bar9 (Those that vote for a living outnumber those that work for one.)
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To: lcms rev

“If he removed the laser, reholstered the gun, and then proceeded to used the targeting laser as a laser pointer, then I wouldn’t really have a problem with it”

What if he unloaded and showed clear, then he would just be using a gun shaped laser pointer? Seriously the whole thing is absurb and inappropriate on a number of levels.


45 posted on 01/06/2014 9:53:44 AM PST by Brooklyn Attitude (Things are only going to get worse.)
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To: Brooklyn Attitude
Seriously the whole thing is absurb and inappropriate on a number of levels.

Agreed. However, I still think there's a major difference between using a "gun-shaped laser pointer" and a laser pointer which can be (but is not currently) attached to a gun.

46 posted on 01/06/2014 11:04:04 AM PST by lcms rev
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To: Brooklyn Attitude
What if he unloaded and showed clear, then he would just be using a gun shaped laser pointer?

Don't try to get around Rule #1. That is how accidents happen.

47 posted on 01/06/2014 12:33:54 PM PST by Haiku Guy (Health Care Haiku: If You Have a Right / To the Labor I Provide / I Must Be Your Slave)
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To: FreedomPoster

Damn fool.


48 posted on 01/06/2014 5:11:23 PM PST by Daffynition (It isn't what we don't know that gives us trouble, it's what we know that ain't so.)
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To: Haiku Guy

FFIW, he shouldn’t have a gun the police building.

But he won’t be prosecuted.


49 posted on 01/06/2014 5:13:57 PM PST by Daffynition (It isn't what we don't know that gives us trouble, it's what we know that ain't so.)
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To: Paladin2
LOL

Delightful post LOL


50 posted on 01/06/2014 5:18:50 PM PST by Daffynition (It isn't what we don't know that gives us trouble, it's what we know that ain't so.)
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