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Pope's Angelus: “Jesus is the Epiphany”, the Lord does not proselytize but loves
Vatican Radio ^ | 1/6/2013 | Vatican Radio

Posted on 01/06/2014 6:40:37 AM PST by thetallguy24

Pope Francis greeted tens of thousands of pilgrims gathered on a bright crisp day in St. Peter’s Square Monday for the recitation of the Angelus Prayer and to celebrate the Feast of the Epiphany with the Holy Father. In his address, the Pope referred to Pope Benedict Emeritus’s book, “Jesus of Nazareth: the Infancy Narratives” which he said “magnificently” recounts the biblical coming of the Maji from the East to Bethlehem to pay homage to the Christ Child. The Epiphany, Pope Francis said, marks the first “manifestation” of Christ to the people and as a consequence, points to the universal salvation brought by Jesus. In today’s feast, we see a “dual movement,” the Pope noted: of God who comes “towards the world, towards humanity” and of men who seek closeness to God: “the religions, the search for truth, the way of people towards peace, justice, liberty.” For his part, God loves us: “we are His children; He loves us and He wants to liberate us from evil, from sickness, from death, and take us to His home in His Kingdom.” We too, the Pope said, are attracted by “goodness, truth, life and happiness and beauty.” And as the two sides attract, Jesus, the Pope stressed, is our point of encounter with the Lord as His love incarnate. Had the Maji not seen the Star pointing them to Jesus’ birthplace in Bethlehem, they would never have left, the Pope mused. “Light precedes us, the truth precedes us, beauty precedes us. God precedes us: it is grace; and this grace appears in Jesus. He is the Epiphany, the manifestation of God’s love.” Departing from his prepared remarks, the Pope appealed “sincerely” and “respectfully” to those who “feel far from God and from the Church” and to “those who are fearful and indifferent: the Lord is calling you too.” The Lord is calling you to be a part of His people and He does it with great respect and love.” “The Lord does not proselytize; He gives love,” reaffirmed the Pope. “And this love seeks you and waits for you, you who at this moment do not believe or are far away. And this is the love of God.” Pope Francis prayed that “all the Church” may be steeped in “the joy of evangelizing” invoking the aid of the Virgin Mary so that “we can all be disciple-missionaries, small stars that reflect His light.” Following the recital of the Angelus, Pope Francis gave greetings to the Churches of the East who tomorrow will celebrate Christmas. He prayed that all will be “reinforced in faith, hope and charity” and the Lord will “give comfort” to Christian communities and to the Churches undergoing “trial.” The Pope recalled that the Epiphany is the missionary Day for children organized by the Pontifical office for Holy Childhood and thanked young people and children whose “gestures of solidarity” towards other children “widen the horizons of their fraternity.”


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I'm confused. If Jesus never proselytized or "does not" (which I thought he did proselytize in the NT) and if Christ is the head of the Church, then why is the Pope saying we should "be steeped in “the joy of evangelizing”? Does not proselytizing = evangelizing? Should we or should we not follow the example of "the Lord does not proselytize"?
1 posted on 01/06/2014 6:40:38 AM PST by thetallguy24
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To: thetallguy24

Oops! The Vatican will soon issue a clarification!

Seriously, the Pope has all the media skills of Ted Baxter.


2 posted on 01/06/2014 6:42:46 AM PST by miss marmelstein (Richard Lives Yet!)
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To: thetallguy24

Translation: Jesus loves into conversion.


3 posted on 01/06/2014 6:46:06 AM PST by Biggirl (“Go, do not be afraid, and serve”-Pope Francis)
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To: thetallguy24

Another Translation: Faith in Jesus by evangelization does not come by force, but by love of the other person.


4 posted on 01/06/2014 6:50:43 AM PST by Biggirl (“Go, do not be afraid, and serve”-Pope Francis)
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To: thetallguy24

What was that going out and preaching to the multitudes thing?
You know, where there were thousands of people who needed to be fed.
And who talked about hell more than anyone else in scripture?

Epic cafeteria Christianity.


5 posted on 01/06/2014 6:53:41 AM PST by MrEdd (Heck? Geewhiz Cripes, thats the place where people who don't believe in Gosh think they aint going.)
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To: MrEdd

Your opinion.


6 posted on 01/06/2014 6:54:39 AM PST by Biggirl (“Go, do not be afraid, and serve”-Pope Francis)
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To: thetallguy24; Colonel_Flagg
The Lord is calling you to be a part of His people and He does it with great respect and love.” “The Lord does not proselytize; He gives love,” reaffirmed the Pope. “And this love seeks you and waits for you, you who at this moment do not believe or are far away. And this is the love of God.” Pope Francis prayed that “all the Church” may be steeped in “the joy of evangelizing” invoking the aid of the Virgin Mary so that “we can all be disciple-missionaries, small stars that reflect His light.”

IBTPWM

7 posted on 01/06/2014 6:55:06 AM PST by Alex Murphy ("the defacto Leader of the FR Calvinist Protestant Brigades")
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To: MrEdd

Consider this saying: “preach the Gospel, and when necessary, use words” from St. Francis.


8 posted on 01/06/2014 6:55:37 AM PST by Biggirl (“Go, do not be afraid, and serve”-Pope Francis)
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To: Biggirl

So it is my opinion that Christ preached to multitudes as he traveled around Israel, and that he spoke of hell more than anyone else in scripture.

Okay.

Who do you find in scripture who spoke more about hell?


9 posted on 01/06/2014 6:58:25 AM PST by MrEdd (Heck? Geewhiz Cripes, thats the place where people who don't believe in Gosh think they aint going.)
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To: thetallguy24

I am beginning to think this man does not understand or comprehend the Bible... THE WORD OF GOD.


10 posted on 01/06/2014 6:59:58 AM PST by LibLieSlayer (FROM MY COLD, DEAD HANDS! BETTER DEAD THAN RED!)
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To: MrEdd

Yes, Jesus to the multitudes, but also are you playing a game of numbers about how many times He said about Hell? Give me a break.


11 posted on 01/06/2014 7:01:44 AM PST by Biggirl (“Go, do not be afraid, and serve”-Pope Francis)
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To: LibLieSlayer

Oh yes he does.


12 posted on 01/06/2014 7:02:22 AM PST by Biggirl (“Go, do not be afraid, and serve”-Pope Francis)
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To: Alex Murphy

So, the Vatican doesn’t even have a good translator? This is straight from the Vatican, not The Slate or Salon.


13 posted on 01/06/2014 7:05:30 AM PST by thetallguy24
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To: Biggirl

That’s your opinion.


14 posted on 01/06/2014 7:12:18 AM PST by LibLieSlayer (FROM MY COLD, DEAD HANDS! BETTER DEAD THAN RED!)
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To: thetallguy24

“13 “But woe to you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! For you shut the kingdom of heaven in people’s faces. For you neither enter yourselves nor allow those who would enter to go in. 15 Woe to you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! For you travel across sea and land to make a single proselyte, and when he becomes a proselyte, you make him twice as much a child of hell as yourselves.

16 “Woe to you, blind guides, who say, ‘If anyone swears by the temple, it is nothing, but if anyone swears by the gold of the temple, he is bound by his oath.’ 17 You blind fools! For which is greater, the gold or the temple that has made the gold sacred? 18 And you say, ‘If anyone swears by the altar, it is nothing, but if anyone swears by the gift that is on the altar, he is bound by his oath.’ 19 You blind men! For which is greater, the gift or the altar that makes the gift sacred? 20 So whoever swears by the altar swears by it and by everything on it. 21 And whoever swears by the temple swears by it and by him who dwells in it. 22 And whoever swears by heaven swears by the throne of God and by him who sits upon it.

23 “Woe to you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! For you tithe mint and dill and cumin, and have neglected the weightier matters of the law: justice and mercy and faithfulness. These you ought to have done, without neglecting the others. 24 You blind guides, straining out a gnat and swallowing a camel!

25 “Woe to you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! For you clean the outside of the cup and the plate, but inside they are full of greed and self-indulgence. 26 You blind Pharisee! First clean the inside of the cup and the plate, that the outside also may be clean.

27 “Woe to you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! For you are like whitewashed tombs, which outwardly appear beautiful, but within are full of dead people’s bones and all uncleanness. 28 So you also outwardly appear righteous to others, but within you are full of hypocrisy and lawlessness.

29 “Woe to you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! For you build the tombs of the prophets and decorate the monuments of the righteous, 30 saying, ‘If we had lived in the days of our fathers, we would not have taken part with them in shedding the blood of the prophets.’ 31 Thus you witness against yourselves that you are sons of those who murdered the prophets. 32 Fill up, then, the measure of your fathers. 33 You serpents, you brood of vipers, how are you to escape being sentenced to hell? 34 Therefore I send you prophets and wise men and scribes, some of whom you will kill and crucify, and some you will flog in your synagogues and persecute from town to town, 35 so that on you may come all the righteous blood shed on earth, from the blood of righteous Abel to the blood of Zechariah the son of Barachiah, whom you murdered between the sanctuary and the altar. 36 Truly, I say to you, all these things will come upon this generation.”

Yep! Jesus never talks mean to anyone...he just ‘loves’ them to Himself.

“46 And Paul and Barnabas spoke out boldly, saying, “It was necessary that the word of God be spoken first to you. Since you thrust it aside and judge yourselves unworthy of eternal life, behold, we are turning to the Gentiles.”

Nope! Never any negative feelings or thoughts.


15 posted on 01/06/2014 7:13:18 AM PST by Mr Rogers (Liberals are like locusts...)
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To: All

God Bless Pope Francis!


16 posted on 01/06/2014 7:14:11 AM PST by Biggirl (“Go, do not be afraid, and serve”-Pope Francis)
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To: Mr Rogers

By speaking in warnings, Jesus preached love, tough love.


17 posted on 01/06/2014 7:15:35 AM PST by Biggirl (“Go, do not be afraid, and serve”-Pope Francis)
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To: thetallguy24

Biggirl needs to apply for the job.


18 posted on 01/06/2014 7:16:14 AM PST by LibLieSlayer (FROM MY COLD, DEAD HANDS! BETTER DEAD THAN RED!)
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To: LibLieSlayer

Here’s my opinion: Saying “that’s your opinion” in response to legitimate criticisms is lame and useless.


19 posted on 01/06/2014 7:21:01 AM PST by Dr. Thorne ("How long, O Lord, holy and true?" - Rev. 6:10)
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To: LibLieSlayer

Please see post number 17. Thank-you!


20 posted on 01/06/2014 7:21:10 AM PST by Biggirl (“Go, do not be afraid, and serve”-Pope Francis)
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To: thetallguy24
Does not proselytizing = evangelizing?

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No, it doesn't.

To proselytize means to recruit someone to you faith (or other organization) or even to induce them to join your group.

To evangelize comes from the Latin (orig. Greek) evangelizo, which means to "preach, declare, proclaim, always with the accessory notion of bringing good tidings, proclaiming the Gospel".

There's a big difference.

Jesus shared his good news, but he always left people free to follow him or not.
21 posted on 01/06/2014 7:22:47 AM PST by pax_et_bonum (Never Forget the Seals of Extortion 17 - and God Bless America)
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To: Dr. Thorne

“Here’s my opinion: Saying “that’s your opinion” in response to legitimate criticisms is lame and useless.”

Rather making a BIG DEAL over to interpit what Pope Francis says is “lame and useless” and not legit.


22 posted on 01/06/2014 7:23:41 AM PST by Biggirl (“Go, do not be afraid, and serve”-Pope Francis)
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To: pax_et_bonum

BINGO! We have a WINNER!


23 posted on 01/06/2014 7:24:31 AM PST by Biggirl (“Go, do not be afraid, and serve”-Pope Francis)
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To: LibLieSlayer

Biggirl needs to apply for the job.

***

Making it personal gives the impression that your argument is weak.


24 posted on 01/06/2014 7:25:25 AM PST by pax_et_bonum (Never Forget the Seals of Extortion 17 - and God Bless America)
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To: Biggirl

Please support that principal with sound Scriptural exegesis.

“There is a way which seemeth right unto a man, but the end thereof are the ways of death.” (Proverbs 14:12)


25 posted on 01/06/2014 7:26:07 AM PST by .45 Long Colt
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To: .45 Long Colt

Post 21 really goes into detail and says it better.


26 posted on 01/06/2014 7:29:48 AM PST by Biggirl (“Go, do not be afraid, and serve”-Pope Francis)
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To: pax_et_bonum

Thank-you and God Bless.


27 posted on 01/06/2014 7:30:20 AM PST by Biggirl (“Go, do not be afraid, and serve”-Pope Francis)
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To: thetallguy24; All

The question I have is, if Pope Francis is so bad in his preaching, WHY is he attracting more people to pay attention to him and is drawing in more people?

Thank-you for your responses.


28 posted on 01/06/2014 7:32:16 AM PST by Biggirl (“Go, do not be afraid, and serve”-Pope Francis)
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To: Biggirl

That’s not an argument from Scripture.


29 posted on 01/06/2014 7:32:29 AM PST by .45 Long Colt
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To: .45 Long Colt

But the poster is CORRECT.


30 posted on 01/06/2014 7:33:28 AM PST by Biggirl (“Go, do not be afraid, and serve”-Pope Francis)
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To: Mr Rogers

Love is truth; loving is being truthful.

As any good parent knows, loving often involves being stern or even angry, but it always points toward the good end, which is God.

Of course Christ was stern with people who were using their authority over others to promote themselves.

Of course He was angry with the money-changers in the Temple.

But these are incidents of real love - what we call “tough love” today.


31 posted on 01/06/2014 7:34:04 AM PST by pax_et_bonum (Never Forget the Seals of Extortion 17 - and God Bless America)
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To: thetallguy24; All

Maybe Pope Francis’s preaching is considered refreshing, simple, and direct?


32 posted on 01/06/2014 7:35:20 AM PST by Biggirl (“Go, do not be afraid, and serve”-Pope Francis)
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To: Biggirl

Maybe because people see Christ in him?

It’s always the simple ones who can see more clearly.


33 posted on 01/06/2014 7:35:35 AM PST by pax_et_bonum (Never Forget the Seals of Extortion 17 - and God Bless America)
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To: Biggirl

Numbers prove nothing. The Mormons get numbers. Joel Osteen gets numbers. Creflo Dollar gets numbers. The Muslims have huge numbers. Never allow earthly success to fool you. Satan does his best work in the arena of religion. You must base your thinking on Scripture or you will run off the cliff.


34 posted on 01/06/2014 7:35:42 AM PST by .45 Long Colt
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To: pax_et_bonum

AMEN. People DO SEE Jesus in Pope Francis.


35 posted on 01/06/2014 7:37:10 AM PST by Biggirl (“Go, do not be afraid, and serve”-Pope Francis)
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To: Biggirl

I’m asking you to defend your St. Francis quote from Scripture. Scripture is all that matters to me, not what seems right in the eyes of men.


36 posted on 01/06/2014 7:38:05 AM PST by .45 Long Colt
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To: .45 Long Colt

Or rather Satan does his best when people argue over small details rather than see the “big picture” that God gives.

Pope Franics is doing the Lord’s work. God Bless him.


37 posted on 01/06/2014 7:39:24 AM PST by Biggirl (“Go, do not be afraid, and serve”-Pope Francis)
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To: Biggirl

But is it the biblical Jesus or the Jesus they want to see?


38 posted on 01/06/2014 7:39:39 AM PST by .45 Long Colt
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To: .45 Long Colt

One of the great saints, a giant in the Christian faith. St. Francis served the Lord faithfully.


39 posted on 01/06/2014 7:40:53 AM PST by Biggirl (“Go, do not be afraid, and serve”-Pope Francis)
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To: .45 Long Colt

The former.


40 posted on 01/06/2014 7:41:16 AM PST by Biggirl (“Go, do not be afraid, and serve”-Pope Francis)
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To: .45 Long Colt

Pope Francis preaches the Jesus of the Bible. Case CLOSED.


41 posted on 01/06/2014 7:42:39 AM PST by Biggirl (“Go, do not be afraid, and serve”-Pope Francis)
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To: pax_et_bonum

It wasn’t always good news, well for those who didn’t follow Him. He did speak about judgement numerous times.

Matthew 25:31-56

41 “Then He will also say to those on the left hand, ‘Depart from Me, you cursed, into the everlasting fire prepared for the devil and his angels: 42 for I was hungry and you gave Me no food; I was thirsty and you gave Me no drink; 43 I was a stranger and you did not take Me in, naked and you did not clothe Me, sick and in prison and you did not visit Me.’

44 “Then they also will answer Him,[b] saying, ‘Lord, when did we see You hungry or thirsty or a stranger or naked or sick or in prison, and did not minister to You?’ 45 Then He will answer them, saying, ‘Assuredly, I say to you, inasmuch as you did not do it to one of the least of these, you did not do it to Me.’ 46 And these will go away into everlasting punishment, but the righteous into eternal life.”


42 posted on 01/06/2014 7:43:27 AM PST by thetallguy24
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To: .45 Long Colt

If you are into the Bible, please consider this verse from the Bible:

“2 Timothy 2:23-25
English Standard Version (ESV)
23 Have nothing to do with foolish, ignorant (A)controversies; you know that they breed quarrels. 24 And (B)the Lord’s servant[a] must not be quarrelsome but (C)kind to everyone, (D)able to teach, patiently enduring evil, 25 correcting his opponents (E)with gentleness. God (F)may perhaps grant them repentance (G)leading to a knowledge of the truth.”


43 posted on 01/06/2014 7:46:22 AM PST by Biggirl (“Go, do not be afraid, and serve”-Pope Francis)
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To: Alex Murphy

I learned it as the Great Commission, not the Great Suggestion.

Even so, Jesus commands us to proselytize, even outside the Great Commission.

“And said unto them, Thus it is written, and thus it behoved Christ to suffer, and to rise from the dead the third day: And that repentance and remission of sins should be preached in his name among all nations, beginning at Jerusalem. And ye are witnesses of these things. And, behold, I send the promise of my Father upon you: but tarry ye in the city of Jerusalem, until ye be endued with power from on high.” - Luke 24 46-49

I would simply add that God certainly proselytized Saul of Tarsus, with dramatic results for His kingdom.

If God does not proselytize, that would mean God would not wish to spread His own good news, which seems to be counterproductive, to use a polite word. Again, it appears Francis has stirred up more controversy, unless, of course, he was mistranslated again.


44 posted on 01/06/2014 7:46:34 AM PST by Colonel_Flagg (Some people meet their heroes. I raised mine. Go Army.)
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To: pax_et_bonum; All

God Bless Pope Francis.


45 posted on 01/06/2014 7:47:52 AM PST by Biggirl (“Go, do not be afraid, and serve”-Pope Francis)
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To: Biggirl
Matthew 10 22 And you will be hated by all for My name’s sake. But he who endures to the end will be saved.

That's why the gay's hate Christians like us...oh wait...

http://www.washingtonpost.com/national/religion/lgbt-magazine-picks-pope-francis-as-its-person-of-the-year/2013/12/17/786fce2e-6742-11e3-997b-9213b17dac97_story.html
46 posted on 01/06/2014 7:50:12 AM PST by thetallguy24
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To: Biggirl

So I should have voted for Romney? lol


47 posted on 01/06/2014 7:51:31 AM PST by thetallguy24
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To: thetallguy24; All

Proverbs 15:1
English Standard Version (ESV)
15” (A)A soft answer turns away wrath,
but (B)a harsh word stirs up anger.”


48 posted on 01/06/2014 7:52:01 AM PST by Biggirl (“Go, do not be afraid, and serve”-Pope Francis)
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To: Biggirl

“The question I have is, if Pope Francis is so bad in his preaching, WHY is he attracting more people to pay attention to him and is drawing in more people?”

Because he is saying liberal things, and thus all the liberals of the world, all the socialist gov’ts, of which there are many, and all the media therefore love him. Doesn’t it make you suspicious when even MSNBC has nice things to say about Pope Francis?


49 posted on 01/06/2014 7:52:20 AM PST by flaglady47 (When the gov't fears the people, liberty; When the people fear the gov't, tyranny.)
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To: Biggirl

So you won’t even try to defend the statement biblically?

Listen, I have a lot to do so I can’t debate this today. But please know I am not trying to beat you up. I am trying to get you to think biblically. Anything said in the name of God should be compared to the Word of God (not to the word of popes or the writings of dead saints) to see that it is so. I don’t care who says it. That’s the clear lesson Acts 17. The Bereans were “more noble” because they even checked out the message of the Apostle Paul. If your faith isn’t grounded in Scripture you are in real trouble. You can’t trust you are being taught by men whose faith is grounded in Scripture. You must prove it to yourself. Your soul is too important to put that kind of trust in anyone or any institution.

“And the brethren immediately sent away Paul and Silas by night unto Berea: who coming thither went into the synagogue of the Jews. These were more noble than those in Thessalonica, in that they received the word with all readiness of mind, and searched the scriptures daily, whether those things were so.” Acts:17:10-11


50 posted on 01/06/2014 7:54:25 AM PST by .45 Long Colt
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