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Does Immigration Mean ‘France Is Over’? (barf alert)
The New York Times ^ | 5 January 2014 | Justin H. Smith

Posted on 01/06/2014 9:21:14 AM PST by MegaSilver

PARIS — It is difficult to go more than a day in France without hearing someone express the conviction that the greatest problem in the country is its ethnic minorities, that the presence of immigrants compromises the identity of France itself. This conviction is typically expressed without any acknowledgment of the country’s historical responsibility as a colonial power for the presence of former colonial subjects in metropolitan France, nor with any willingness to recognize that France will be ethnically diverse from here on out, and that it’s the responsibility of the French as much as of the immigrants to make this work.

In the past year I have witnessed incessant stop-and-frisk of young black men in the Gare du Nord; in contrast with New York, here in Paris this practice is scarcely debated. I was told by a taxi driver as we passed through a black neighborhood: “I hope you got your shots. You don’t need to go to Africa anymore to get a tropical disease.” On numerous occasions, French strangers have offered up the observation to me, in reference to ethnic minorities going about their lives in the capital: “This is no longer France. France is over.” There is a constant, droning presupposition in virtually all social interactions that a clear and meaningful division can be made between the people who make up the real France and the impostors.

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TOPICS: Culture/Society; Editorial; Foreign Affairs; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: europeanunion; eussr; france; francoishollande; immigration; memebuilding; multiculturalism; newyork; newyorkcity; newyorkslimes; newyorktimes; nyslimes; partisanmediashill; partisanmediashills
Amazing: an essay on immigration into France that does not even discuss Islam or Muslims. How fascinatingly vapid.

I have lived in Paris since 2008, and this author's shallow pen and even shallower brain are all you need to witness to understand why I do not, EVER, frequent the "expat" crowd in this city. This is the archetypical idiot American liberal fetishizing a hypothetical non-existant Marxist European wünderland.

If you really want to get fired up, read some of the contents implying the French people (most of whose families have never lived outside of France) deserve this for their colonial past.

What rubbish.

1 posted on 01/06/2014 9:21:14 AM PST by MegaSilver
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To: MegaSilver

“France will be ethnically diverse from here on out, and that it’s the responsibility of the French as much as of the immigrants to make this work”

Not if they’re kicked out, and if Marine Le Pen wins the next election, as is looking likely right now, they will be.


2 posted on 01/06/2014 9:25:00 AM PST by Viennacon
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To: MegaSilver

FTA: “the country’s historical responsibility as a colonial power for the presence of former colonial subjects...”

Hasn’t the statute of limitations expired on this?


3 posted on 01/06/2014 9:28:21 AM PST by Darteaus94025 (Can't have a Liberal without a Lie)
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To: MegaSilver

Yes, I noticed that - ‘This is their penalty for their colonial past.” Indeed? Really? That they should have to give up their country? And the expats believe that? It is just liberal guilt. Disgusting.


4 posted on 01/06/2014 9:41:09 AM PST by bboop (does not suffer fools gladly)
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How come only white countries need to be diverse?


5 posted on 01/06/2014 9:45:40 AM PST by dsrtsage (One half of all people have below average IQ. In the US the number is 54%)
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To: MegaSilver

It’s typical leftist guilt-mongering. The Left has suicidal tendencies and doesn’t realize it.


6 posted on 01/06/2014 9:46:21 AM PST by Amberdawn
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To: MegaSilver
This conviction is typically expressed without any acknowledgment of the country’s historical responsibility as a colonial power...

France's "responsibility as a colonial power" arose after centuries of Arab pirates raiding its coasts and kidnapping its women for the slave trade. It was a retaliatory act against a historical predator. But let not historical facts get in the way of The New York Times' globalist variant on "manifest destiny."

...France will be ethnically diverse from here on out, and that it’s the responsibility of the French as much as of the immigrants to make this work.

Looks to me like France "wills" not to be ethnically "diverse." They would prefer "harmony" to constant strife (diverse, adverse, converse, reverse... all imply opposition).

7 posted on 01/06/2014 9:47:49 AM PST by Carry_Okie (0-Care IS Medicaid; they'll pull a sheet over your head and take everything you own to pay for it.)
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To: MegaSilver
I was told by a taxi driver as we passed through a black neighborhood: “I hope you got your shots. You don’t need to go to Africa anymore to get a tropical disease.”

The implication here is that this is false, just a racist rant.

But is it TRUE? The author is profoundly uninterested.

8 posted on 01/06/2014 9:48:38 AM PST by Sherman Logan
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To: MegaSilver
colonial power -- Drink!
9 posted on 01/06/2014 9:52:04 AM PST by TexasCajun
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To: Darteaus94025

Ha. So because they were colonies now we have to be their colony?

Slavery is slavery, pedophilia is pedophilia. What is it with !these hate crime equalizer vengeful evil liberals?


10 posted on 01/06/2014 9:57:18 AM PST by lavaroise (A well regulated gun being necessary to the state, the rights of the militia shall not be infringed)
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To: MegaSilver
And while it is disheartening, what I hear in the streets is really only an echo of the rhetoric of politicians and purported intellectuals, who have found it convenient to blame the most powerless members of French society for the instability of the present and the uncertainty of the future.

Well they won't remain powerless for ever, and then I suspect the naive Infidel author will flee the country and head back home-still making excuses for Muslims. - tom

11 posted on 01/06/2014 10:08:59 AM PST by Capt. Tom
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To: MegaSilver

Simply put, the more Muslims a nation has, the worse off it is. Islam is a curse upon mankind. Nothing in its history indicates otherwise, and no Islamic nation today demonstrates a trend towards better. Why fool with it?


12 posted on 01/06/2014 10:30:50 AM PST by pallis
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To: MegaSilver

A good friend of mine was born in France, lived and worked there, and now lives in Portugal.

She says it is like visiting the Middle East when she goes there now.


13 posted on 01/06/2014 10:36:51 AM PST by Mr. K (If you like your constitution, you can keep it...Period.)
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To: MegaSilver

Actually, I am amazed at the most popular comments in the New York Time, where they actually condemn the author’s lack of awareness of the threat from Islam and Muzzie immigrants.


14 posted on 01/06/2014 11:15:47 AM PST by Second Amendment First
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To: MegaSilver

Well, the French and every other European country brought this on themselves. Just as we have brought our own immigration problem on ourselves.

Here, for now at least, our biggest concern are the folks from Central and South America. Pretty soon, we’ll be dealing with the same level of folks coming from all those pretty places in the Middle East. If you thought the Latin’s were bad, wait til you deal with the savages from the ME.

And, the essay CANNOT discuss Muslims/Islam. The author is afraid that he’ll get his head chopped off by one of the peaceful Muslims.


15 posted on 01/06/2014 12:36:34 PM PST by qaz123
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To: dsrtsage
How come only white countries need to be diverse?

I have asked this question numerous times. I have not gotten a response beyond sputtering and screaming (and getting tossed out of an idiot hipster bar).

16 posted on 01/06/2014 5:09:52 PM PST by MegaSilver
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To: Carry_Okie
France's "responsibility as a colonial power" arose after centuries of Arab pirates raiding its coasts and kidnapping its women for the slave trade. It was a retaliatory act against a historical predator. But let not historical facts get in the way of The New York Times' globalist variant on "manifest destiny."

Christianne Taubira, the Minister of "Justice" for the current Socialist government and traitor to France erstwhile separatist for her native Guyanne from France, before writing the bill that ultimately made sodomy a legitimate act of consommation of "marriage" in this country, drafted a law "recognizing France's culpability in the Negro slave trade." When asked why she did not bother to mention the North Africans' role in enslaving blacks AND whites, she said that she didn't want "young Arabs in France to have that on their backs."

17 posted on 01/06/2014 5:13:12 PM PST by MegaSilver
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When asked why she did not bother to mention the North Africans' role in enslaving blacks AND whites, she said that she didn't want "young Arabs in France to have that on their backs."

But it's just dandy with her if they get it on their backsides.

18 posted on 01/06/2014 5:14:17 PM PST by Carry_Okie (0-Care IS Medicaid; they'll pull a sheet over your head and take everything you own to pay for it.)
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To: Sherman Logan
The implication here is that this is false, just a racist rant.

But is it TRUE? The author is profoundly uninterested.

There are lots of nasty things circulating around here these days.

If you come to Paris, your best bet is to stick to the Left Bank west of rue Monge and avoid the 13th district. Do not cross into the suburbs unless you are going to Yvelines, and even there, avoid Trappes and do not leave your sheep out at night (my friend's cousins are agriculteurs and do not keep sheep anymore because they kept disappearing every year around Ramadan).

19 posted on 01/06/2014 5:15:24 PM PST by MegaSilver
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To: Second Amendment First
Actually, I am amazed at the most popular comments in the New York Time, where they actually condemn the author’s lack of awareness of the threat from Islam and Muzzie immigrants.

I know; I was shocked! But you know, though, these days everyone except Hollywood bimbos (male and female) and academic coneheads (who unfortunately have disproportionate influence in the press) is anti-immigration. It's a VERY popular position in America AND in Europe.

20 posted on 01/06/2014 5:17:58 PM PST by MegaSilver
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To: MegaSilver

Same times who said knock out games were a myth.Same times that said..No evidence that Al Qaeda played any role in Benghazi attack, but the anti-Muslim video did..


21 posted on 01/06/2014 7:57:17 PM PST by moonshinner_09
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