Skip to comments.Pope: 'Authentic' Islam opposes violence
Posted on 01/06/2014 5:22:44 PM PST by FR_addict
Pope Francis insistence in his new apostolic exhortation that authentic Islam and the proper reading of the Quran are opposed to every form of violence is drawing negative reviews from some analysts of the religion who point to the Islamic holy books calls to wage war against nonbelievers.
How does he know that? When did he become an imam? wonders columnist Pamela Geller.
She notes as an example the Quranic passage that states: So when you meet those who disbelieve [in battle], strike [their] necks.
At a time when Christianity worldwide is under siege by Islamic jihadists, the leader of the Catholic Church claims that the Quran teaches nonviolence, Geller writes. ...
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Why is the Pope pretending that it is a religion of peace?
Totally wrong on every level.
Which Koran did he study?
The pope continues to disappoint.
I’ve heard priests call it ‘that thing the Islamists refer to as a religion’
Perhaps the pope has not read the muslim’s book
Pope Benedict got in big trouble for being honest about this.
His Holiness is sadly mistaken about Islam. While their book has some peaceful teachings, these are generally attributed to Mo’s earlier years. Before he transformed” into a man of violence and started killing people. And the Moslems choose to follow the later ( hateful pro- murdering) teachings when there is a conflict. They say this is the logical way to resolve their contradictory teachings. And it almost always results in the horrible violence exhibited by Islam all around the world Perhaps so done more knowledgeable in the Vatican will be able now to bring the Pope up to speed on the reality of things Islam ?
NONE ARE SO BLIND AS THOSE WHO WILL NOT SEE.
Actually Francis has it backwards.
I notice that the FURTHER one is from obeying the tenets of authentic Islam, the LESS extremist and violent one is.
The closer and more seriously one takes the tenets of authentic Islam, the MORE extremist and violent one becomes.
I think his standard of authenticity is not internal to Islam.
>>Why is the Pope pretending that it is a religion of peace?
Because liberalism is a mental disorder.
The Pope is an idiot and definitely not infallible.
My sympathies to the lay Catholics and the rest of the world as well, which can use some solid philosophical guidance against Islam.
I think I know why, though. He’s got a theory in the back of his mind that every religion on earth is just Christianity in disguise with problems.
Even at the most open minded I could possibly get (any further and my brains would fall out) why isn’t this guy alert for doctrines of demons? One might be able to TRY to claim that about a peaceful faith like Buddhism. But the book of Islam is like cover to cover wickedness. That’s why Jimmy Carter, that inveterate Sunday School teacher, pored over it in vain looking for an opening for the nicey-nice offense.
What’s next for this guy, saying Christ was a wealthy tradesman?
Islam also tends to look for trouble to get embroiled in. It doesn’t have anything corresponding to gospel.
Maybe because authentic roman catholicism is exactly what the reformation folks told us it was...
Perhaps Francis needs the second coming of Martin Luther?
Have they LEGALIZED marijuana in the Vatican?
This Pope is truly confused.
Maybe not — being as this pope is about as far from authentic Catholicism as any pope has ever been.
The state of Roman Catholic thought is... just... weird.
I firmly hold to an affirmation of the POWER of Christ to keep even the most oddball of those who have accepted His salvation saved. I do not have a problem there. He does it anywhere His name can be called upon. No human if’s, and’s, or but’s intervene! (Otherwise, we have a salvation theology of Christ plus. Even the Sola Fideists are sometimes theologizing Christ plus... i.e. plus a humanly held Sola Fide doctrine!)
But the THEOLOGY (we’re on a human level now) has gotten badly polluted.
RE: The Pope is an idiot and definitely not infallible.
The Pope is not speaking ex-cathedra, so yes, in this regard, he is infallible.
Would you be surprised if he brought a supply of “the good stuff” with him from South America?
He's just another man, like you and I. No better, no worse. I need Jesus. He needs Jesus, too.
I just wish all these people would focus on God instead of some old guy who lives in a gold mansion in Rome.
Amen and Amen. Im certainly not what I of as a scholar but I have read enough of the stinking koran and the hadiths to know how very wrong the pope is.
Perhaps he has some inside word on al qaidas plans to fly a plane or two into the vatican, and is trying to buy them off?
The Pope's propaganda seems to be similar. Anyone who has read up on Mohammed and the Koran knows that what he is saying is definitely not true, but those who haven't bothered to find out what Islam teaches might believe him.
The Pope is spreading propaganda about Islam and I find that disturbing. Priests in the Jesuit order are highly educated, so it's not like he doesn't know.
One small consolation is that this was an Apostolic Exhortation, which Cardinal Burke says contains no definitions of doctrine and is not a part of the papal magisterium.
Magdi Cristiano Allam, Robert Spencer, and Raymond Ibrahim should have a good, long talk with Pope Francis.
you meant to say, I think, fallible. even in the Roman Catholic system.
“This Pope is truly confused.”
How about this Pope is being deliberately duplicious regarding Islam, just as Obama.
Electing commies edidently is working no better for the College of Cardinals than it did in the Electoral College.
Checked my Bible and didn't find this "ex-cathedra". Is it in the Douay?
Why is the pope pretending to be anything other than a liberation theologian????
The Pope might have an understanding of Christian doctrine, but he sure as hell doesn’t understand the Muslim religion.
The answer to that is that he sees that the Republican parry has openings for a leader lately, and...?
“Pope Francis insistence in his new apostolic exhortation that authentic Islam and the proper reading of the Quran are opposed to every form of violence”
To try to be charitable, I’ll just say that Francis must not have had the non-condensed, unexpurgated version in front of him.
I am beginning to believe the Pope has bought into the PC garbage about Mooselims or he is stupid.
Again... I can’t see how any theory can get him to such a statement. Empirical observation is flaky at best... there are some relatively peaceful Muslims but even those SAY they are harking to the entire Koran. It keeps on happening that these “moderates” find their Koranic roots, actually living what they say they believe, and turn radical, and no one can predict who and when. Is every religion on earth just an embrace of Jehovah in disguise? Even with my mind as wide open as it can get without dropping my brains out, I would have to say no, there are grim counter examples.
Apparently the Cardinals didn’t think that intellectual honesty was a requisite for the job.
Why is it then that those “authentic” practicioners murder, destroy, and denegrate life wherever they go? Islam was an demonically inspired cult, spread by the sword, and enforced by backwards fanatics. It is 100% of the devil. While we should engage rational muslims with a spirit of love, we should not lie to ourselves and the world and pretend it is anything other than an evil scourge upon God’s fallen world.
But, there is such hatred of all things Muslim, and perhaps Saudi, here that I know what I say falls MOSTLY on deaf ears.
There are jerks, morons and a-holes everywhere. I didn't meet any MORE or FEWER there. They just all had dark hair, brown eyes, mustaches (even some of the women) and had a king.
The only constant of of islam, is the violent oppresion of those who do not practice islam.
The denial of this statement will only bring jihad upon you, if you are not a devout follower of islam.
Islam is like the warlord’s handbook of how to throw the world back to the 9th century for fun and profit, but only for the most devout and dedicated ruling thug.
To me, islam is the equivalent of either the communists, or the nazis, developing a religion to further their goals, and brainwash the masses into participating.
“Why is the Pope pretending that it is a religion of peace?”
My guess is because there are Catholic communities stuck “behind enemy lines” in muslim lands, so he wants to placate them.
I wasn’t that happy with Benedict, but Francis doesn’t even seem to be Catholic.
Benedict needs to come out of retirement.
Ultimately, all faiths are embraces of supernatural entities. We can allow for the way the faiths are lived out on earth to be imperfect, in fact individual examples can be pretty wacked out to external appearances. But we have no basis to claim that a faith that calls for fleshly domination of the world, and even the “moderates” are biding their time until that happens, is centered around the Christ, even “imperfectly.”