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Pope: 'Authentic' Islam opposes violence
WND ^ | 11/26/2013 | Bob Unruh

Posted on 01/06/2014 5:22:44 PM PST by FR_addict

Pope Francis’ insistence in his new apostolic exhortation that “authentic Islam and the proper reading of the Quran are opposed to every form of violence” is drawing negative reviews from some analysts of the religion who point to the Islamic holy book’s calls to wage war against nonbelievers.

“How does he know that? When did he become an imam?” wonders columnist Pamela Geller.

She notes as an example the Quranic passage that states: “So when you meet those who disbelieve [in battle], strike [their] necks.”

“At a time when Christianity worldwide is under siege by Islamic jihadists, the leader of the Catholic Church claims that the Quran teaches nonviolence,” Geller writes. ...

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TOPICS: Culture/Society; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: authenticislam; islam; koran; mohammed; pope; popefrancis
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I don't know why the Pope would say something that is easily proven to be untrue. The Koran is full of violence and Mohammed murdered many himself.

Why is the Pope pretending that it is a religion of peace?

1 posted on 01/06/2014 5:22:44 PM PST by FR_addict
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To: FR_addict

Totally wrong on every level.


2 posted on 01/06/2014 5:25:45 PM PST by Viennacon
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To: FR_addict

Which Koran did he study?


3 posted on 01/06/2014 5:27:02 PM PST by servo1969
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To: FR_addict

The pope continues to disappoint.


4 posted on 01/06/2014 5:27:33 PM PST by 9YearLurker
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To: FR_addict

I’ve heard priests call it ‘that thing the Islamists refer to as a religion’

Perhaps the pope has not read the muslim’s book


5 posted on 01/06/2014 5:27:37 PM PST by stanne
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To: servo1969

Pope Benedict got in big trouble for being honest about this.


6 posted on 01/06/2014 5:28:20 PM PST by madameguinot
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To: FR_addict

His Holiness is sadly mistaken about Islam. While their book has some peaceful teachings, these are generally attributed to Mo’s earlier years. Before he transformed” into a man of violence and started killing people. And the Moslems choose to follow the later ( hateful pro- murdering) teachings when there is a conflict. They say this is the logical way to resolve their contradictory teachings. And it almost always results in the horrible violence exhibited by Islam all around the world Perhaps so done more knowledgeable in the Vatican will be able now to bring the Pope up to speed on the reality of things Islam ?


7 posted on 01/06/2014 5:28:59 PM PST by faithhopecharity (no)
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To: FR_addict
Prophet of Doom: Islam's Terrorist Dogma in Muhammad's Own Words
8 posted on 01/06/2014 5:30:41 PM PST by E. Pluribus Unum (Who knew that one day professional wrestling would be less fake than professional journalism?)
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To: FR_addict

NONE ARE SO BLIND AS THOSE WHO WILL NOT SEE.


9 posted on 01/06/2014 5:30:47 PM PST by HKMk23 (ditditdit dahdahdah ditditdit)
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To: FR_addict

Actually Francis has it backwards.

I notice that the FURTHER one is from obeying the tenets of authentic Islam, the LESS extremist and violent one is.

The closer and more seriously one takes the tenets of authentic Islam, the MORE extremist and violent one becomes.


10 posted on 01/06/2014 5:31:24 PM PST by SeekAndFind
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To: FR_addict

I think his standard of authenticity is not internal to Islam.


11 posted on 01/06/2014 5:31:30 PM PST by buridan
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To: FR_addict

>>Why is the Pope pretending that it is a religion of peace?

Because liberalism is a mental disorder.


12 posted on 01/06/2014 5:31:44 PM PST by Bryanw92 (Sic semper tyrannis)
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To: FR_addict

13 posted on 01/06/2014 5:31:53 PM PST by Jeff Chandler (Obamacare: You can't make an omelette without breaking a few eggs.)
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To: servo1969

bump


14 posted on 01/06/2014 5:34:35 PM PST by GeronL (Extra Large Cheesy Over-Stuffed Hobbit)
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To: FR_addict

The Pope is an idiot and definitely not infallible.


15 posted on 01/06/2014 5:34:46 PM PST by Starstruck (If my reply offends, you probably don't understand sarcasm or criticism...or do.)
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To: FR_addict
I was afraid of this. Unlike the philosophically minded Pope Benedict, this guy is almost a trendy, new age type.

My sympathies to the lay Catholics and the rest of the world as well, which can use some solid philosophical guidance against Islam.

16 posted on 01/06/2014 5:35:46 PM PST by Stepan12
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To: FR_addict

I think I know why, though. He’s got a theory in the back of his mind that every religion on earth is just Christianity in disguise with problems.

Even at the most open minded I could possibly get (any further and my brains would fall out) why isn’t this guy alert for doctrines of demons? One might be able to TRY to claim that about a peaceful faith like Buddhism. But the book of Islam is like cover to cover wickedness. That’s why Jimmy Carter, that inveterate Sunday School teacher, pored over it in vain looking for an opening for the nicey-nice offense.


17 posted on 01/06/2014 5:35:56 PM PST by HiTech RedNeck (The Lion of Judah will roar again if you give him a big hug and a cheer and mean it. See my page.)
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To: FR_addict
"Authentic" Islam heavily embraces Jihad.

QED.

18 posted on 01/06/2014 5:36:07 PM PST by Paladin2
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To: FR_addict

What’s next for this guy, saying Christ was a wealthy tradesman?


19 posted on 01/06/2014 5:36:16 PM PST by King Moonracer (Bad lighting and cheap fabric, that's how you sell clothing.....)
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To: Paladin2

Islam also tends to look for trouble to get embroiled in. It doesn’t have anything corresponding to gospel.


20 posted on 01/06/2014 5:38:12 PM PST by HiTech RedNeck (The Lion of Judah will roar again if you give him a big hug and a cheer and mean it. See my page.)
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To: FR_addict

Maybe because authentic roman catholicism is exactly what the reformation folks told us it was...


21 posted on 01/06/2014 5:38:53 PM PST by delchiante
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To: delchiante

Perhaps Francis needs the second coming of Martin Luther?


22 posted on 01/06/2014 5:41:15 PM PST by Paladin2
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To: FR_addict

Have they LEGALIZED marijuana in the Vatican?


23 posted on 01/06/2014 5:42:52 PM PST by VideoDoctor
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To: FR_addict

This Pope is truly confused.


24 posted on 01/06/2014 5:43:27 PM PST by Eric in the Ozarks ("Say Not the Struggle Naught Availeth.")
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To: delchiante

Maybe not — being as this pope is about as far from authentic Catholicism as any pope has ever been.


25 posted on 01/06/2014 5:44:07 PM PST by Wyrd bið ful aræd (Gone Galt, 11/07/12----No king but Christ! Don't tread on me!)
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To: delchiante

The state of Roman Catholic thought is... just... weird.

I firmly hold to an affirmation of the POWER of Christ to keep even the most oddball of those who have accepted His salvation saved. I do not have a problem there. He does it anywhere His name can be called upon. No human if’s, and’s, or but’s intervene! (Otherwise, we have a salvation theology of Christ plus. Even the Sola Fideists are sometimes theologizing Christ plus... i.e. plus a humanly held Sola Fide doctrine!)

But the THEOLOGY (we’re on a human level now) has gotten badly polluted.


26 posted on 01/06/2014 5:44:12 PM PST by HiTech RedNeck (The Lion of Judah will roar again if you give him a big hug and a cheer and mean it. See my page.)
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To: Starstruck

RE: The Pope is an idiot and definitely not infallible.

The Pope is not speaking ex-cathedra, so yes, in this regard, he is infallible.


27 posted on 01/06/2014 5:44:34 PM PST by SeekAndFind
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To: VideoDoctor

Would you be surprised if he brought a supply of “the good stuff” with him from South America?


28 posted on 01/06/2014 5:44:57 PM PST by Wyrd bið ful aræd (Gone Galt, 11/07/12----No king but Christ! Don't tread on me!)
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To: Starstruck
The Pope is an idiot and definitely not infallible.

He's just another man, like you and I. No better, no worse. I need Jesus. He needs Jesus, too.

I just wish all these people would focus on God instead of some old guy who lives in a gold mansion in Rome.

29 posted on 01/06/2014 5:45:18 PM PST by EricT. (ARBEIT MACHT FREI- now get back to work you taxpaying peasant!)
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To: HKMk23

Amen and Amen. Im certainly not what I of as a scholar but I have read enough of the stinking koran and the hadiths to know how very wrong the pope is.

Perhaps he has some inside word on al qaidas plans to fly a plane or two into the vatican, and is trying to buy them off?


30 posted on 01/06/2014 5:45:38 PM PST by MeshugeMikey ( a Safe..and Sane....2014 To All!)
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To: Bryanw92
The Pope is a Jesuit. This religious order definitely leans left. But his statement that “authentic Islam and the proper reading of the Quran are opposed to every form of violence” is not even close to the truth. It reminds me of the lies Obama tells to the American people. Maybe the uninformed voter can be persuaded by the lies, but not those who keep informed.

The Pope's propaganda seems to be similar. Anyone who has read up on Mohammed and the Koran knows that what he is saying is definitely not true, but those who haven't bothered to find out what Islam teaches might believe him.

The Pope is spreading propaganda about Islam and I find that disturbing. Priests in the Jesuit order are highly educated, so it's not like he doesn't know.

31 posted on 01/06/2014 5:46:21 PM PST by FR_addict
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To: FR_addict
It was indeed an amazingly stupid thing for Pope Francis to say. Remember when in 2006 (the Regensberg speech) Pope Benedict asked, in an academic philosophical forum, whether Islamic doctrine had roots in the Logos (Reason) which would permit the common ground for rational discussion --- and the Islamosphere's response was rioting on 3 continents and 19 people dead, including an elderly nun who cared for orphans, who was shot in the back.

One small consolation is that this was an Apostolic Exhortation, which Cardinal Burke says contains no definitions of doctrine and is not a part of the papal magisterium.

Burke: "Exhortation Not Part of the Papal Magisterium" (Link)

Magdi Cristiano Allam, Robert Spencer, and Raymond Ibrahim should have a good, long talk with Pope Francis.

32 posted on 01/06/2014 5:46:23 PM PST by Mrs. Don-o ("Push back against the age as hard as it pushes against you. " -- Flannery OÂ’Connor)
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To: SeekAndFind

you meant to say, I think, fallible. even in the Roman Catholic system.


33 posted on 01/06/2014 5:46:57 PM PST by HiTech RedNeck (The Lion of Judah will roar again if you give him a big hug and a cheer and mean it. See my page.)
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To: Eric in the Ozarks

“This Pope is truly confused.”

How about this Pope is being deliberately duplicious regarding Islam, just as Obama.

Electing commies edidently is working no better for the College of Cardinals than it did in the Electoral College.


34 posted on 01/06/2014 5:47:24 PM PST by GladesGuru (Islam Delenda Est - Because of what Islam is and because of what Muslims do.)
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To: FR_addict
Okay, but then how does the authentic Catholic Church feel about homosexuality any where?

That is the one thing they both really agree on. Islam though rejects it as do all sane religions. It is just different between the two of them in that one of the tenets of Islam (and exposed by it's leaders is murder. Islam accepts and encourages it in so many facets of life.

So Pope, they are not nearly (thank God) as much alike as you may think.
35 posted on 01/06/2014 5:49:40 PM PST by JSteff (It was ALL about SCOTUS.. We are DOOMED for several generations. . Who cares? Dem's did and voted!)
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To: FR_addict
"Wrong. Untrue."
36 posted on 01/06/2014 5:49:42 PM PST by hout8475
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To: SeekAndFind
The Pope is not speaking ex-cathedra, so yes, in this regard, he is infallible.

Checked my Bible and didn't find this "ex-cathedra". Is it in the Douay?

37 posted on 01/06/2014 5:50:02 PM PST by Starstruck (If my reply offends, you probably don't understand sarcasm or criticism...or do.)
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To: FR_addict

Why is the pope pretending to be anything other than a liberation theologian????


38 posted on 01/06/2014 5:50:14 PM PST by Nifster
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To: FR_addict

The Pope might have an understanding of Christian doctrine, but he sure as hell doesn’t understand the Muslim religion.


39 posted on 01/06/2014 5:51:00 PM PST by House Atreides
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To: FR_addict

The answer to that is that he sees that the Republican parry has openings for a leader lately, and...?


40 posted on 01/06/2014 5:51:30 PM PST by JSteff (It was ALL about SCOTUS.. We are DOOMED for several generations. . Who cares? Dem's did and voted!)
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To: FR_addict

“Pope Francis’ insistence in his new apostolic exhortation that “authentic Islam and the proper reading of the Quran are opposed to every form of violence””

To try to be charitable, I’ll just say that Francis must not have had the non-condensed, unexpurgated version in front of him.


41 posted on 01/06/2014 5:52:17 PM PST by SharpRightTurn (White, black, and red all over--America's affirmative action, metrosexual president.)
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To: FR_addict

I am beginning to believe the Pope has bought into the PC garbage about Mooselims or he is stupid.


42 posted on 01/06/2014 5:52:35 PM PST by wjcsux ("In a time of universal deceit, telling the truth becomes a revolutionary act." - George Orwell)
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To: Mrs. Don-o

Again... I can’t see how any theory can get him to such a statement. Empirical observation is flaky at best... there are some relatively peaceful Muslims but even those SAY they are harking to the entire Koran. It keeps on happening that these “moderates” find their Koranic roots, actually living what they say they believe, and turn radical, and no one can predict who and when. Is every religion on earth just an embrace of Jehovah in disguise? Even with my mind as wide open as it can get without dropping my brains out, I would have to say no, there are grim counter examples.


43 posted on 01/06/2014 5:53:22 PM PST by HiTech RedNeck (The Lion of Judah will roar again if you give him a big hug and a cheer and mean it. See my page.)
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To: FR_addict

Apparently the Cardinals didn’t think that intellectual honesty was a requisite for the job.


44 posted on 01/06/2014 5:54:39 PM PST by Arthur McGowan
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To: FR_addict

Why is it then that those “authentic” practicioners murder, destroy, and denegrate life wherever they go? Islam was an demonically inspired cult, spread by the sword, and enforced by backwards fanatics. It is 100% of the devil. While we should engage rational muslims with a spirit of love, we should not lie to ourselves and the world and pretend it is anything other than an evil scourge upon God’s fallen world.


45 posted on 01/06/2014 5:54:43 PM PST by vpintheak (Thankful to be God blessed & chosen!)
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To: FR_addict
I lived and worked in Saudi Arabia for five years and worked with 30 Saudi men all that time. What the Pope said is what the Muslim men I met and knew said.

But, there is such hatred of all things Muslim, and perhaps Saudi, here that I know what I say falls MOSTLY on deaf ears.

There are jerks, morons and a-holes everywhere. I didn't meet any MORE or FEWER there. They just all had dark hair, brown eyes, mustaches (even some of the women) and had a king.

46 posted on 01/06/2014 5:56:49 PM PST by cloudmountain
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To: FR_addict

Um, no.

The only constant of of islam, is the violent oppresion of those who do not practice islam.

The denial of this statement will only bring jihad upon you, if you are not a devout follower of islam.

Islam is like the warlord’s handbook of how to throw the world back to the 9th century for fun and profit, but only for the most devout and dedicated ruling thug.

To me, islam is the equivalent of either the communists, or the nazis, developing a religion to further their goals, and brainwash the masses into participating.


47 posted on 01/06/2014 5:57:43 PM PST by factoryrat (We are the producers, the creators. Grow it, mine it, build it.)
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To: FR_addict

“Why is the Pope pretending that it is a religion of peace?”

My guess is because there are Catholic communities stuck “behind enemy lines” in muslim lands, so he wants to placate them.


48 posted on 01/06/2014 5:58:07 PM PST by Boogieman
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To: Arthur McGowan

I wasn’t that happy with Benedict, but Francis doesn’t even seem to be Catholic.

Benedict needs to come out of retirement.


49 posted on 01/06/2014 5:58:28 PM PST by FR_addict
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To: vpintheak

Ultimately, all faiths are embraces of supernatural entities. We can allow for the way the faiths are lived out on earth to be imperfect, in fact individual examples can be pretty wacked out to external appearances. But we have no basis to claim that a faith that calls for fleshly domination of the world, and even the “moderates” are biding their time until that happens, is centered around the Christ, even “imperfectly.”


50 posted on 01/06/2014 5:59:16 PM PST by HiTech RedNeck (The Lion of Judah will roar again if you give him a big hug and a cheer and mean it. See my page.)
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