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Pope: 'Authentic' Islam opposes violence
WND ^ | 11/26/2013 | Bob Unruh

Posted on 01/06/2014 5:22:44 PM PST by FR_addict

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To: pax_et_bonum

With whom is he engaged in any “dialogue?” Mohammedanism isn’t a hierarchial faith, so he has no counterpart. In any event, the imams understand their own religion, and are laughing at his idiotic naiveté.


101 posted on 01/06/2014 7:11:48 PM PST by FredZarguna (Das is nicht richtig nur falsch. Das ist nicht einmal falsch.)
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To: FredZarguna

Maybe so.


102 posted on 01/06/2014 7:12:51 PM PST by pax_et_bonum (Never Forget the Seals of Extortion 17 - and God Bless America)
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To: FR_addict

Pope has not done his Koran reading. The book is very clear.


103 posted on 01/06/2014 7:17:58 PM PST by FlyingEagle
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To: Viennacon

Maybe it’s another bad translation.


104 posted on 01/06/2014 7:29:22 PM PST by xp38
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To: Wyrd bið ful aræd

Rome’s sins cannot be justified by pointing to the sins of others. My ancestors were Separatists, so I’m no defender of England, but her sins were nothing compared to Rome.

Popes and potentates don’t seem to know that no man can be converted at the point of a spear. From beginning to end, salvation is of the Lord. It takes an act of God to regenerate the dead heart of a sinner.

“And I saw the woman drunken with the blood of the saints, and with the blood of the martyrs of Jesus: and when I saw her, I wondered with great admiration.” (Revelation 17:6)


105 posted on 01/06/2014 7:36:15 PM PST by .45 Long Colt
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To: FR_addict

He is either an idiot or a liar


106 posted on 01/06/2014 7:37:26 PM PST by yldstrk (My heroes have always been cowboys)
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To: FR_addict

Francis is a very dangerous man. And now he has announced a visit to Israel. What could possibly go wrong?


107 posted on 01/06/2014 7:39:20 PM PST by montag813
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To: FR_addict

Pope Urban II is facepalming you, Francis...


108 posted on 01/06/2014 7:39:59 PM PST by DTogo (High time to bring back The Sons of Liberty !!)
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To: .45 Long Colt
"Rome’s sins cannot be justified by pointing to the sins of others."

That works both ways.

"...but her sins were nothing compared to Rome."

Oh really? Well, thank goodness that's cleared up.

"Popes and potentates don’t seem to know that no man can be converted at the point of a spear."

And kings, queens, dictators, preachers, elders, generals, caliphs...In short, a universal problem. What's your point?

109 posted on 01/06/2014 7:41:53 PM PST by Wyrd bi ful ard (Gone Galt, 11/07/12----No king but Christ! Don't tread on me!)
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To: FR_addict

No. No it doesn’t. islam is a religion of oppression and death period.


110 posted on 01/06/2014 7:43:23 PM PST by SECURE AMERICA (Where can I go to sign up for the American Revolution 2014 and the Crusades 2014?)
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To: Wyrd bið ful aræd

Your whole comment was irrelevant. I merely said Christians were not responsible for the Inquisition, Rome was. Many of the victims of the Inquisition were Bible-believing Christians. I said nothing of England. English kings and queens who killed in the name of God were no more Christian than all those wicked popes. Popes and all the powerful secular leaders in the history of the world have lacked the power to convert a single man. Rome was able to terrorize through violence, and some gave in to her claims and demands, but not one soul was ever saved in a biblical sense.


111 posted on 01/06/2014 7:53:20 PM PST by .45 Long Colt
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To: FR_addict

So much for Papal Infallibility.


112 posted on 01/06/2014 7:59:40 PM PST by null and void (It is as if they all had one head. Too bad they don’t all have one neck.)
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To: servo1969

Pope Benedict XVI in the Regensburg University lecture delivered on 12 September 2006 in Germany, where he had once served as a professor of theology quoted Dialogues Held With A Certain Persian, the Worthy Mouterizes, in Anakara of Galatia,[4] written in 1391 as an expression of the views of the Byzantine emperor Manuel II Palaiologos, one of the last Christian rulers before the Fall of Constantinople to the Muslim Ottoman Empire, on such issues as forced conversion, holy war, and the relationship between faith and reason. The passage, in the English translation published by the Vatican, was:

“Show me just what Muhammad brought that was new and there you will find things only evil and inhuman, such as command to spread by the sword the faith he preached.”


113 posted on 01/06/2014 8:28:22 PM PST by Dqban22
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To: FR_addict

I guess there isn’t much “authentic izzlam” in this old world.


114 posted on 01/06/2014 8:32:27 PM PST by Right Wing Assault
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To: cloudmountain

If you did not ask them about theological things, you could not have known.

An illiterate executive sounds, well, weird to me. But not being able to study the Koran might have advantages.


115 posted on 01/06/2014 8:33:16 PM PST by HiTech RedNeck (The Lion of Judah will roar again if you give him a big hug and a cheer and mean it. See my page.)
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To: Dqban22

Extreme case of not seeing reality


116 posted on 01/06/2014 8:33:38 PM PST by skinny old man (Still lurking and posting after all these years(14 yrs ?)(more ?)(seems like more...))
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To: madameguinot
Pope Benedict got in big trouble for being honest about this.

Pope Francis is going to get in big trouble for lying about this.

117 posted on 01/06/2014 8:34:02 PM PST by Right Wing Assault
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To: xp38
Maybe it’s another bad translation.

Touché.

118 posted on 01/06/2014 8:37:50 PM PST by Graybeard58 (_.. ._. .. _. _._ __ ___ ._. . ___ ..._ ._ ._.. _ .. _. .)
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To: HiTech RedNeck
He was a man who went to services, I'm sure and THERE the Koran was read. Also, there MIGHT have been a son or daughter who did learn to read, since most people all over the world seek BETTER lives for their children, and that son or daughter might read the Koran to the family.
Saudi Arabia made huge efforts to get their population literate. There is 100% literacy, or close to it, for their young. The older folks? Not so much.

I learned NOT to make assumptions about them. Each person was a unique individual with his own history, talents and idiosyncrasies. They treated ME well so I tried to reciprocate. It helped by not making assumptions.

119 posted on 01/06/2014 8:39:54 PM PST by cloudmountain (.)
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To: .45 Long Colt
Rome’s sins cannot be justified by pointing to the sins of others. My ancestors were Separatists, so I’m no defender of England, but her sins were nothing compared to Rome.

The Edict of Nantes that Henry IV signed comprised four basic texts, including a principal text made up of 92 articles and largely based on unsuccessful peace treaties signed during the recent wars. The Edict also included 56 "particular" (secret) articles dealing with Protestant rights and obligations. For example, the French state guaranteed protection of French Protestants travelling abroad from the Inquisition. "This crucifies me," protested Pope Clement VIII, upon hearing of the Edict.

In October 1685, Louis XIV, the grandson of Henry IV, renounced the Edict and declared Protestantism illegal with the Edict of Fontainebleau. This act, commonly called the 'revocation of the Edict of Nantes,' had very damaging results for France. Intense persecution of Protestants took place. All Protestant ministers were given two weeks to leave the country unless they converted to Catholicism and all other Protestants were prohibited from leaving the country. In spite of the prohibition, the persecution including many examples of torture caused as many as 400,000 to flee France at risk of their lives.

Many generations ago my grand father was one who was forced out, "open season" on protestants having been declared on protestants, he fled to England to fight for England against France. As a reward for his service he was given a land grant in Virginia, in 1695. Yes, I'm a Hugenot and am forever thankful to Rome and it's minion, Louis XIV, without which, I'd be typing in French right now.

120 posted on 01/06/2014 9:02:19 PM PST by Graybeard58 (_.. ._. .. _. _._ __ ___ ._. . ___ ..._ ._ ._.. _ .. _. .)
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To: FR_addict
So the Pope can lie. Gee, isn't he supposed to be infallible?

Protestant=Protester....days like these I protest LOUDLY!

121 posted on 01/06/2014 9:04:05 PM PST by Lady Heron
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To: Graybeard58

Romans 8:28 springs to mind. I marvel at His providence. How He has woven the grand tapestry of history is an awesome thing.


122 posted on 01/06/2014 9:15:30 PM PST by .45 Long Colt
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To: cloudmountain

Oil revenue works in not so mysterious ways. :-)


123 posted on 01/06/2014 9:51:31 PM PST by Trod Upon (Every penny given to film and TV media companies goes right into enemy coffers. Starve them out!)
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To: cloudmountain

An executive that read or wrote nothing. Still sounds strange and unlikely.


124 posted on 01/06/2014 10:00:01 PM PST by HiTech RedNeck (The Lion of Judah will roar again if you give him a big hug and a cheer and mean it. See my page.)
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To: HiTech RedNeck
Even the Sola Fideists are sometimes theologizing Christ plus... i.e. plus a humanly held Sola Fide doctrine!)

Better read up more.

125 posted on 01/06/2014 10:14:08 PM PST by xone
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To: xone

I do not follow what they claim, but what they actually act like.


126 posted on 01/06/2014 11:35:04 PM PST by HiTech RedNeck (The Lion of Judah will roar again if you give him a big hug and a cheer and mean it. See my page.)
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To: xone

And I think you know the huffy attitude, too. “Their doctrine is polluted all to hell so they can’t possibly be saved Christians.” What is really funny is to see Calvinists doing it, not giving even the benefit of Calvinistic determinism. It happens ALL OVER. It is a very common squabble in Christendom. And to the actual Christ it is odious.


127 posted on 01/06/2014 11:38:58 PM PST by HiTech RedNeck (The Lion of Judah will roar again if you give him a big hug and a cheer and mean it. See my page.)
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To: FR_addict

I trust the Pope on authentic Catholicism - he’s an expert. However, I would suggest that he talk with those in Al Qaeda, Hezbollah, the Muslim Brotherhood, and other leading Islamic organizations before he jumps to conclusions on authentic Islam.


128 posted on 01/07/2014 3:22:43 AM PST by Pollster1 ("Shall not be infringed" is unambiguous.)
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To: FredZarguna

RE: Even if I accede to your definition (I don’t) under your usage, he can never speak Ex Cathedra concerning the doctrine or morals of another religion.

Let’s put it this way -— we disagree on the understanding of the term ex-cathedra. I understand it as IMPLICITLY referring to the Pope’s speaking about CATHOLIC morals and doctrine. Which is to say, when spoken in reference to the Pope, we KNOW what it means and what it refers to.

Regarding the doctrine of other religions, it goes without saying that he can’t speak for what other people believe.


129 posted on 01/07/2014 6:34:45 AM PST by SeekAndFind
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To: cloudmountain
The Church HAD/HAS to be manned by humans so error HAS to take place. But to bash the institution so is beyond the pale. They are to be pitied.

So who is to be pitied? Those who criticize the Inquisition and the institution which practiced it or those who were tortured to death for speaking out against the error which you admit happened?

You were really on to something in your first post (but each post you have made since then makes me believe that you were totally unaware of the valid point you were making). Paul in Ephesians 6:12 makes it clear that spiritual warfare is with the institutions ("powers and principalities") not primarily with the people deceived ("flesh and blood") by the institutions. Most Muslims (excluding the hardcore jihadists) are not to be hated but pitied as those who are deceived - they are the ones who need the Gospel which Islam is trying to silence. Islam, the institution, is to be recognized and despised as the evil it represents. I have no doubt that there are good Muslim people in the world - at least, as good as one can be without the power of the Holy Spirit, however, it does not logically follow that Christians should be anything other than enemies of Islam.

130 posted on 01/07/2014 9:54:17 AM PST by CommerceComet (No more GOP-e. Cruz to victory in 2016.)
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To: HiTech RedNeck
And I think you know the huffy attitude, too.

I do, and occasionally demo it myself because I am a sinner. You just did it with the 'SOLA Fidelists' which prompted my response. I believe in their heart that they know God decides who is saved. The human in them might not be able to comprehend how in the midst of the polluted doctrine that it could be possible. And perhaps in their zeal for the Truth of God they overreact. We are supposed to be zealous for the Truth, God's Word is Truth.

131 posted on 01/07/2014 10:14:13 AM PST by xone
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To: FR_addict
I guess one of them false anti-christ spirits done led him astray on this...

Pope: We must "test" our thoughts and desires to see if something comes from Christ or the antichrist

132 posted on 01/07/2014 10:19:07 AM PST by EBH ( The Day of the Patriot has arrived.)
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To: xone

And my remark isn’t supposed to be a prediction that they’re condemned to doom either. It’s more a caution that they should watch how they look. Pure sola fide’ism, actually lived out, would enable a radically trans-denominational acknowledgment of Christ. Being unable to understand how God can do a thing, and accepting that God can do it, is not mutually exclusive. The bible doesn’t require us to believe that entire church congregations are saved Christians either.


133 posted on 01/07/2014 5:29:43 PM PST by HiTech RedNeck (The Lion of Judah will roar again if you give him a big hug and a cheer and mean it. See my page.)
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To: EBH

“Let him who thinks he stands take heed lest he fall.”

News flash. Francis did not commit the unforgivable sin! Oh my, we do not have a plaster saint here, what is ever going to happen with the Roman Catholic community. Well I think it’s going to end up reforming, even if only gently.


134 posted on 01/07/2014 5:32:47 PM PST by HiTech RedNeck (The Lion of Judah will roar again if you give him a big hug and a cheer and mean it. See my page.)
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To: FR_addict

So the new Pope is as full of BS on this issue as George W. Bush?

Not good.


135 posted on 01/07/2014 5:37:16 PM PST by FreedomPoster (Islam delenda est)
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To: Trod Upon
Oil revenue works in not so mysterious ways. :-)

:o) They sure do.

I've always had the thought that the USA is going to let the petroleum-rich nations dry themselves up selling their ONLY resource to us foreigners...and THEN we will knock ourselves out with despoiling our own resources.

We SURE aren't going to get out of our cars.

136 posted on 01/07/2014 5:41:12 PM PST by cloudmountain (.)
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To: CommerceComet
What can I say? I lived in Saudi Arabia for five years...my husband worked for ARAMCO and I never did meet the jihadists.

Once I did have a contretemps with a young Saudi punk.

I was going OUT of a store and he was coming IN. We both assumed that the other would step aside. I ASSUMED that he was a gentleman and he assumed...who knows. Neither of us would give way so we edged around each other, GLARING mightily at each other.

His parents, I know, would have been APPALLED at his behavior. He KNEW he should have given way but he was just a punk, an angry young punk.

The rest of the Saudi men treated me very well, those 30 Saudi men I worked with and the rest I had to deal with.
MOSTLY I saw that the men just want to get together, drink tea and talk about their 18-year-old sons who DON'T want to work or go to school... but just want to drive around in their cars.

The Saudi women MOSTLY just want to get together, drink tea and talk about their ungrateful children, obstinate in-laws and clothes/jewelry/babies, etc.

I tried very hard not to judge too much; that is for God to do. Both my husband and I thought that those five years were an adventure of a lifetime. My goodness, he made a TON of money from ARAMCO. We traveled ALL over the world...first class. My husband is gone now, but I can't forget our adventures.

137 posted on 01/07/2014 5:54:26 PM PST by cloudmountain (.)
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To: HiTech RedNeck
An executive that read or wrote nothing. Still sounds strange and unlikely.

My boss would have smiled, probably laughed, at being called an "executive." He knew he was unlettered. That is why he had to make his memory so good. He was not unusual.
He told me that all the workers had to walk home, back to their little settlements, not really towns yet, through the desert on the last day of the week (Wednesday for them) and they were paid in gold. I asked him if they had screens on their windows (knowing they had no A.C.) and he said "No, there were no windows in our tents."

He was SUCH a humble man. NONE of the men, from ANY country, who worked at ARAMCO ever wore suits, ties or jackets! They (the Saudis) all wore simple rather baggy pants and long-sleeved, collared shirts. Modesty for the men was just as important as modesty for the women.

The DRESS-UP for Saudi men was their long, white THOBE (dress), with a gutra, cloth wrapped around their head. Saudi men wore red and white checkered gutras (like an Italian tablecloth) for not-so-dressy and WHITE gutras for dress up.
Each Arab country had a different color. The Palestinians wore black and white checked gutras. I can't remember all of them--brown and white checked, green and white checked. That's all I recall. That cloth, gutra, around their head was to protect them from the hot, deseert sun and they had some interesting ways to wrap them. For the deep desert the gutra covered their face up over their nose and they made the top of the gutra push out to make kind of a bill to shade their eyes. They had all been goat and sheep herders.
These sheep were WEIRD. They had these big, long TRIANGULAR tails. Very odd. The goats were normal goats. They also ate camel, when necessary. They ate almost NOTHING green. Their well water was brackish and warm...YUCK!!

EVERY Aramco man bought the outfit, just because. I still have a photo of my husband in his "outfit"--with the red and white checkered gutra.
That is where the disparaging name of "raghead" for the Saudis came from.

True story:
One Thanksgiving I invited a Pakistani friend of ours to dinner. Hubby had to go to the Main Gate and sign him in. My husband had on a sports jacket and a tie...just for the occasion.

When he got out of his car to let in our Pakistani friends, ALL the Saudi gate guards, all soldiers, almost fell to the ground: A SUIT!!! Holy macerel!!!! A suit!!!! It was just a suit JACKET and tie, but they were ready to salute!! They thought my husband was a BIG SHOT, president of ARAMCO, of America, SOMETHING huge.

You simply do not understand that culture. My husband made the statement that LOGIC, as we know it, has NO place in the middle east. He was correct. When one understands that fact, one can deal with the life there.

99% of the Saudis could not read or write. The KSA is working on reversing that horrible statistic for their people. They KNOW that their future lies with their young, so their children WILL be literate. But for the old timers? It's too late.

The KSA is still trying to get all the Bedouin off the desert. Not an easy task to change the habits of so long a time.

138 posted on 01/07/2014 6:42:52 PM PST by cloudmountain (.)
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To: HiTech RedNeck
Pure sola fide’ism, actually lived out, would enable a radically trans-denominational acknowledgment of Christ.

How so? Doctrine still matters. Consider the ecla, they call themselves Lutheran but have abandoned it. What they reach and preach might sound good on a given day, but their doctrine marks them not only as not being Lutheran, but also non-Christian.

139 posted on 01/07/2014 9:24:05 PM PST by xone
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To: FR_addict
It's clear that this "Poope" doesn't follow God's teachings.

I remember our Heavenly Father telling us HOW to handle other religions,
how to show the proper reaction to their false gods.

140 posted on 01/07/2014 9:37:32 PM PST by Yosemitest (It's Simple ! Fight, ... or Die !)
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To: FR_addict

That version of Islam has never existed.

Islam is a murderous abomination that must be destroyed, root and branch.


141 posted on 01/08/2014 7:44:17 AM PST by Noumenon (Resistance. Restoration. Retribution.)
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To: FR_addict
The "religion of peace" again...

"And through his policy also he shall cause craft to prosper in his hand; and he shall magnify himself in his heart, and by peace shall destroy many: he shall also stand up against the Prince of princes; but he shall be broken without hand." (Daniel 8:5)

142 posted on 01/08/2014 10:33:00 AM PST by istandwithsarah (Game on!)
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