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Pope: 'Authentic' Islam opposes violence
WND ^ | 11/26/2013 | Bob Unruh

Posted on 01/06/2014 5:22:44 PM PST by FR_addict

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To: FR_addict

Aside from that, I don’t think the Pope has standing to determine what is ‘true’ Islam. Would he appreciate some Muslim leader (I know they don’t have anyone like a pope) saying what is ‘true’ Catholicism?


51 posted on 01/06/2014 5:59:31 PM PST by jocon307
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To: Boogieman

He could have said a big fat nothing, then.


52 posted on 01/06/2014 6:00:21 PM PST by HiTech RedNeck (The Lion of Judah will roar again if you give him a big hug and a cheer and mean it. See my page.)
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To: FR_addict
"Who am I to judge?" With those five words, Pope Francis "stepped away from the disapproving tone, the explicit moralizing typical of popes and bishops," writes A columnist Francis made that statement in July, in response to a reporter's question about the status of gay priests in the Church...' FRANK LOST ME AFTER THAT ONE....PSSSST HEY, YOU ARE SUPPOSED TO JUDGE AND TEACH .....AND INTERPRET ET AL... NOW A LOT OF FOLKS IF THEY WERE A JUDGIN' THEY'D JUDGE THE WHOLE MUSSIES AS A CULT AND BAD NEWS FOR THE REST OF PLANET EARTH.... BASED ON GELLER'S ELUCIDATIONS...MOST FOLKS'D SAY THAT IS ARGUABLY A VERY SOUND JUDGEMENT....JUST SAYIN'
53 posted on 01/06/2014 6:03:34 PM PST by jimsin
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To: HiTech RedNeck

It is a tough job he has been given as God’s appointed press secretary...


54 posted on 01/06/2014 6:03:43 PM PST by delchiante
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Hey Frank, surely the Vatican coffers can afford to buy you a CLUE ? !


             

55 posted on 01/06/2014 6:06:53 PM PST by tomkat (unreconstructable)
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To: Boogieman

“Why is the Pope pretending that it is a religion of peace?”

My guess is because there are Catholic communities stuck “behind enemy lines” in muslim lands, so he wants to placate them.

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I agree.


56 posted on 01/06/2014 6:07:18 PM PST by pax_et_bonum (Never Forget the Seals of Extortion 17 - and God Bless America)
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To: delchiante

It certainly sounds shallow at best. I mean maybe he’s thinking that since there are Muslims who don’t rabble rouse, they are the peaceful ones, and since hey Christ is the prince of peace....

But if you look at what these moderates actually believe, most are not nominal, and most don’t object to the Muslim domination of the world, they just don’t think it’s time for their jihad to go physical. Would you call that peaceful... it beggars the imagination to do that.


57 posted on 01/06/2014 6:08:19 PM PST by HiTech RedNeck (The Lion of Judah will roar again if you give him a big hug and a cheer and mean it. See my page.)
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To: stanne

... someone needs to look at the larger picture.

What “religion” offers its young testosterone laden boys 72 whores for killing for their “religion”? What religion has rules for splitting up the booty from raids?

Those are the primary reasons I say it is a mercenaries handbook.

The religion part is just a beard for their crimes against humanity which are typically genocidal in nature. Poor popie needs to redress the last 1400 years of historical performance. In it’s imperalistic expansion they have whacked millions upon millions of people, raiding their wealth and ideas in the process. They are raiders, not creators of ideas nor wealth.
The story allah-baba and the forty thousand thieves was a more correct portrayal of their identity.

Purely thieve warriors.

And the best predicator of the future is past performance.

They are not going to change.


58 posted on 01/06/2014 6:08:43 PM PST by himno hero (hadnuff)
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To: cloudmountain
“I lived and worked in Saudi Arabia for five years and worked with 30 Saudi men all that time. What the Pope said is what the Muslim men I met and knew said. “

Yes, I realized that many Muslims believe in peace, but that is not what is in the Koran and that is not what Muhammad, the pedophile, believed.

About 20 years ago, I met a Muslim who wanted to convert us. He gave us a book to read. I don't even think it mentioned the Koran. There is definitely a watered down version of the Muslim religion, but that is not “authentic Islam”. Also the problem with Muslims is that it is not a sin to lie to infidels, so you never know if they are being honest with you. After 9/11, there was a Muslim, we knew from work, who said that 80% of the Muslims at his Mosque were happy that 9/11 happened. He said he did not feel this way, but that he had a more moderate view of Islam.

If you really practice what Muhammad taught, you become a murderer, a bigamist, a pedophile, etc. If you really practice what Jesus taught, you become a Mother Teresa.

59 posted on 01/06/2014 6:09:17 PM PST by FR_addict
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To: cloudmountain

Taqiyya for the Infidel, I fear. They quote the Mecca verses to those who do not understand that when there is a conflict between the two, the Medina verses take precedence. Here is a pretty good summary: http://www.meforum.org/1754/peace-or-jihad-abrogation-in-islam


60 posted on 01/06/2014 6:09:41 PM PST by Trod Upon (Every penny given to film and TV media companies goes right into enemy coffers. Starve them out!)
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To: FR_addict
The Pope is spreading propaganda about Islam and I find that disturbing. Priests in the Jesuit order are highly educated, so it's not like he doesn't know.

Education is not always a force for good. The Jesuits are the vanguard of the "social justice" academic crowd that steers its own course; their paths intersect with traditional Catholicism only when they find it convenient or beneficial to do so.

61 posted on 01/06/2014 6:10:59 PM PST by Charles Martel (Endeavor to persevere...)
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To: FR_addict

Well said.


62 posted on 01/06/2014 6:10:59 PM PST by ClearCase_guy
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To: FR_addict

The peace may be temporary, in other words. If they think there is any time to take over the world by fleshly domination of force, then it ain’t peaceful.

You won’t see any aspiration of believers like this in the New Testament. Christianity says only God may (directly) conquer the world.


63 posted on 01/06/2014 6:11:20 PM PST by HiTech RedNeck (The Lion of Judah will roar again if you give him a big hug and a cheer and mean it. See my page.)
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To: HiTech RedNeck

Buddhism isn’t peaceful. Only the Western version people are sold. Entirely good Buddhists have lopped off heads and done horrible things in the past all in the name of Buddhism.


64 posted on 01/06/2014 6:11:58 PM PST by Sheapdog (Chew the meat, spit out the bones - FUBO - Come and get me)
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To: stanne

Either book. It is not as if there were only one.
Westerners beeing genally too lazy and too generally half assed in their scholarship to study Islam does not obviate the Hadith.


65 posted on 01/06/2014 6:12:48 PM PST by MrEdd (Heck? Geewhiz Cripes, thats the place where people who don't believe in Gosh think they aint going.)
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To: FR_addict

I wonder who told him that .... a reliable source?


66 posted on 01/06/2014 6:13:37 PM PST by RetiredTexasVet (It's difficult to differentiate between a hog calling contest and a Senate rollcall.)
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To: FR_addict

There have been worse Popes.

We are just going to have to hunker down and get along without a “real” Pope for a few years. (I am not a sedevacantist. I just mean that we’re going to get a lot of bilge and a lot of bad bishops.)


67 posted on 01/06/2014 6:14:29 PM PST by Arthur McGowan
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To: GladesGuru
I think S. America's Socialists might have influenced the new Pope more than we think. His comments on “trickle down” betray a dislike of free markets.
68 posted on 01/06/2014 6:14:52 PM PST by Eric in the Ozarks ("Say Not the Struggle Naught Availeth.")
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To: FR_addict
Why is the Pope pretending that it is a religion of peace?

I don't know. But he seems to have a habit of saying something stupid almost every time he opens his mouth. Just another day.

69 posted on 01/06/2014 6:15:09 PM PST by plain talk
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To: FR_addict

Authentic ‘capitalism’ takes money from those who earn and gives it to those who don’t.


70 posted on 01/06/2014 6:16:10 PM PST by deadrock (I am someone else.)
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To: FR_addict
The deadening influence of Islam is well demonstrated by the way in which the Musulman comports himself at different stages of his life. In his early childhood, when the religion has not as yet impregnated his brain, he shows a very lively intelligence and remarkably open mind, accessible to ideas of every kind; but, in proportion as he grows up, and as, through the system of his education, Islam lays hold of him and envelops him, his brain seems to shut up, his judgment to become atrophied, and his intelligence to be stricken by paralysis and irremediable degeneration. - André Servier, 20'th century French Algerian historian

The Pope is out to lunch
71 posted on 01/06/2014 6:18:07 PM PST by SpaceBar
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To: Sheapdog

Buddhism was mentioned as hypothetical.

True, Christians had the Inquisition, and...?

I think we need to look deeper into what is the claimed basis of anyone’s theology before we can comment on it. But it’s known that in Islam, the ones who are not generating active trouble now still believe there will be a time to do it. And that’s entirely in fitting with the Koran. If there’s a similar belief in root documents of Buddhism, it is beyond where I have delved. If you know of such Buddhist theology in root documents, tell me where to find it. In case I meet someone who has gone gaga over that faith.


72 posted on 01/06/2014 6:18:13 PM PST by HiTech RedNeck (The Lion of Judah will roar again if you give him a big hug and a cheer and mean it. See my page.)
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To: HiTech RedNeck
Oddly enough, the Pope HAS spoken and preached about the devil and sin. That's something that hasn't gotten enough press.

But yeah, I can't see how he can really say this.

73 posted on 01/06/2014 6:20:12 PM PST by Patriotic1 (Dic mihi solum facta, domina - Just the facts, ma'am)
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To: Mrs. Don-o

Thank God for Cardinal Burke.


74 posted on 01/06/2014 6:21:57 PM PST by Patriotic1 (Dic mihi solum facta, domina - Just the facts, ma'am)
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To: FR_addict

That’s my point. You are assuming that the Pope is not affected by the mental disorder called Liberalism. Once a person commits to the progressive cause, all other things become secondary. A liberal Catholic can say that Islam is peace and they can say it with a heart that believes it because they are ruled by their ideology.

I had a progressive pastor (United Methodist) a few years ago and he was a devout Christian, right up until Christianity disagreed with the progressive dogma. If there was a conflict, the progressive “truth” always came first.

Remember that, for a Progressive, all facts begin with the words, “I believe...”. Francis wants to believe that Islam is just Christianity in a different language, so that becomes his truth.


75 posted on 01/06/2014 6:22:47 PM PST by Bryanw92 (Sic semper tyrannis)
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To: Trod Upon
My husband and I lived in Saudi Arabia for FIVE years and I worked with 30 Saudi men during that time. I wasn't EVER subjected to ANY kind of conflict, coercion or rhetoric.

In fact, I went to daily Mass on our little compound, taking 20 minutes off from work every weekday atg 9:00 A.M. (Saturdays-Wednesdays) to go across the street to Mass. Saudi ARAMCO had hired a priest, vicar and reverend for us Christians.

The one who threw a HISSY fit when I did that was my CATHOLIC Indian co-worker. My BOSS, Mohammed (of course), told him: "Harry, God is number one. There is always time for God. CloudMountain (not my name of course) can go to pray whenever she wants." So I did.

I started the habit of daily Mass in Saudi Arabia, thanks to my VERY kind Muslim boss and continue it today. I would have NEVER done so with him.

God works in mysterious ways, even--especially in Saudi Arabia.

76 posted on 01/06/2014 6:24:31 PM PST by cloudmountain (.)
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To: HiTech RedNeck

Don’t blame Christians for the Inquisition. Only heaven knows how many true Christians were slaughtered at the hand of Rome’s Inquisition.


77 posted on 01/06/2014 6:25:12 PM PST by .45 Long Colt
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To: SeekAndFind

Pope be idiot is still my stance. Convince me otherwise.


78 posted on 01/06/2014 6:25:26 PM PST by Starstruck (If my reply offends, you probably don't understand sarcasm or criticism...or do.)
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To: Patriotic1

Yes, the Cardinal is quite wonderful.


79 posted on 01/06/2014 6:25:52 PM PST by cloudmountain (.)
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To: .45 Long Colt

And, I don’t. I’m just saying that bad things happening in the name of this faith or that faith don’t tell the whole story of their official theology. (Or good things, for that matter.)


80 posted on 01/06/2014 6:28:10 PM PST by HiTech RedNeck (The Lion of Judah will roar again if you give him a big hug and a cheer and mean it. See my page.)
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To: .45 Long Colt
Don’t blame Christians for the Inquisition. Only heaven knows how many true Christians were slaughtered at the hand of Rome’s Inquisition.

The Catholic and Christian-haters abound here. Anything you say to them is merely fodder for their hatred.
I've always thought it so ODD to "hate" a church, a faith or God. I can only pity those people because of how they were brought up to hate our Creator, His Son and His Church.
The Church HAD/HAS to be manned by humans so error HAS to take place. But to bash the institution so is beyond the pale. They are to be pitied.

81 posted on 01/06/2014 6:29:18 PM PST by cloudmountain (.)
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To: cloudmountain

That’s nice that they chose to be so cordial. I’d peg your boss as heterodox.


82 posted on 01/06/2014 6:29:26 PM PST by HiTech RedNeck (The Lion of Judah will roar again if you give him a big hug and a cheer and mean it. See my page.)
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To: SeekAndFind
First, you meant to say fallible.

Second, check your catechism. Ex Cathedra isn't enough. In this case, even if he were speaking Ex Cathedra it wouldn't be a sufficient guarantee. Infallibility is only claimed when he speaks Ex Cathedra on a matter of doctrine or morals applying to the whole Church.

Statements about Islam could never be considered infallible under the doctrine.

83 posted on 01/06/2014 6:31:33 PM PST by FredZarguna (Das is nicht richtig nur falsch. Das ist nicht einmal falsch.)
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To: HiTech RedNeck
Violent Buddhism would be news to me...
84 posted on 01/06/2014 6:31:37 PM PST by Eric in the Ozarks ("Say Not the Struggle Naught Availeth.")
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To: pax_et_bonum; Boogieman
My guess is because there are Catholic communities stuck “behind enemy lines” in muslim lands, so he wants to placate them.

In which case, he should have said nothing, rather than lied.

85 posted on 01/06/2014 6:35:35 PM PST by FredZarguna (Das is nicht richtig nur falsch. Das ist nicht einmal falsch.)
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To: Starstruck

When the papacy promotes social justice instead of the Gospel, this is what happens.


86 posted on 01/06/2014 6:41:03 PM PST by tractorman (I never miss a chance to tweak a liberal.)
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To: Eric in the Ozarks
I think the essential point is that Buddhists and Christians have committed murder. The difference in both cases is that when a Christian or Buddhist murders someone, he is violating the principles of his religion, whereas when a Mohammedan does so, he is affirming it.
87 posted on 01/06/2014 6:41:12 PM PST by FredZarguna (Das is nicht richtig nur falsch. Das ist nicht einmal falsch.)
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To: FredZarguna; Boogieman

In which case, he should have said nothing, rather than lied.

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Maybe so, but, then again, keeping open an avenue for dialogue can be important.


88 posted on 01/06/2014 6:47:21 PM PST by pax_et_bonum (Never Forget the Seals of Extortion 17 - and God Bless America)
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To: HiTech RedNeck
Believe it or not, I found MOST Muslims over there "heterodox." They didn't care; why should they? They were secure in their faith and what I believed in was my business.

My boss was a very simple, plain, kind, humble middle-aged man who didn't know how to read or write. Since he didn't he had honed his memorization abilities to the max.
He wasn't unusual. We lived there FIVE years and I worked with 30 Saudi men. We ate in the restaurants, shopped in the dusty little sort-of-towns and met MOSTLY decent folks...just like ANYWHERE else on the planet.

We DID get over to Manama, Bahrain, and saw TONY BENNETT. He sang his song for us: I Left My Heart in San Francisco (my home). I duly snerfed and brought out the hanky!

True story:
One day (in Ras Tanura, Saudi Arabia) I came from a Women's Group meeting and we were all given a little toy, just a silly table gift. So, the next morning I gave it to Ali (one of the workers in our Recreation Department) to give to his kids.
WELL! Two days later he came to me in despair. He said that my gift to him had started a war in his home. BOTH of his little daughters wanted the toy! They WOULDN'T share. He tried giving it to his son...but his son didn't want it. He asked me for help.

I went to the other gals in our Women's Group and asked for another of the gift. Whew. I got another one and gave it to Ali. He was MOST grateful--war over.

89 posted on 01/06/2014 6:47:46 PM PST by cloudmountain (.)
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To: 9YearLurker

This pope will be the False Prophet who introduces the Beast to the World.


90 posted on 01/06/2014 6:48:45 PM PST by SVTCobra03 (You can never have enough friends, horsepower or ammunition.)
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Uggh this pope is awful


91 posted on 01/06/2014 6:49:15 PM PST by The Right wing Infidel
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To: Starstruck

You won’t. The Catholic Church does not rely on just the Bible. Is it in the KJV that a religion has to be so?


92 posted on 01/06/2014 6:52:07 PM PST by stanne
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To: FR_addict
The Pope choose the name Francis for a reason.

http://www.wheaton.edu/BGC/Equipping-Corner/Hot-Off-the-Evangelism-and-Missional-Presses/What%20St%20Francis%20Can%20Teach%20Us%20about%20Christian%20Witness%20to%20Muslims

Remember it was a Pope (along with Reagan and Thatcher) who brought down the evil Soviet Empire.

93 posted on 01/06/2014 6:52:35 PM PST by Robert357 (D.Rather "Hoist with his own petard!" www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1223916/posts)
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To: .45 Long Colt

And how many Catholics were slaughtered at the hands of the English?


94 posted on 01/06/2014 7:00:04 PM PST by Wyrd bi ful ard (Gone Galt, 11/07/12----No king but Christ! Don't tread on me!)
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To: FredZarguna

From Wikipedia:

Ex cathedra: In connection with papal infallibility, the Latin phrase ex cathedra (literally, “from the chair”) has been defined as meaning “when, in the exercise of his office as shepherd and teacher of all Christians, in virtue of his supreme apostolic authority, (the Bishop of Rome) defines a doctrine concerning faith or morals to be held by the whole Church.

Speaking on matters of doctrine or morals applying to the Church is IMPLIED in the term.


95 posted on 01/06/2014 7:02:10 PM PST by SeekAndFind
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To: E. Pluribus Unum
Prophet of Doom:

Thanks for posting this book name, it looks terrific.
96 posted on 01/06/2014 7:02:27 PM PST by JSteff (It was ALL about SCOTUS.. We are DOOMED for several generations. . Who cares? Dem's did and voted!)
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To: FredZarguna

RE: First, you meant to say fallible.

I meant to say NOT infallible, but your statement is just as correct.


97 posted on 01/06/2014 7:04:08 PM PST by SeekAndFind
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To: HiTech RedNeck

RE: you meant to say, I think, fallible. even in the Roman Catholic system.

I meant to say NOT INFALLIBLE, but fallible is just as correct.


98 posted on 01/06/2014 7:05:05 PM PST by SeekAndFind
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To: SeekAndFind

Wikipedia isn’t the catechism. Ex Cathedra means nothing more than from the office. Even if I accede to your definition (I don’t) under your usage, he can never speak Ex Cathedra concerning the doctrine or morals of another religion.


99 posted on 01/06/2014 7:06:58 PM PST by FredZarguna (Das is nicht richtig nur falsch. Das ist nicht einmal falsch.)
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To: FR_addict

He is a Jesuit Commie......that’s why.


100 posted on 01/06/2014 7:10:10 PM PST by noprogs (Borders, Language, Culture)
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