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These Photos Show Why Britainís Small Military Is So Powerful
Business Insider ^ | January 2014

Posted on 01/06/2014 8:23:58 PM PST by Lorianne

Photo essay

(Excerpt) Read more at businessinsider.com ...


TOPICS: Government; United Kingdom
KEYWORDS: military
some great photographs
1 posted on 01/06/2014 8:23:58 PM PST by Lorianne
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To: Lorianne

2 posted on 01/06/2014 8:24:55 PM PST by Lorianne (fedgov, taxporkmoney)
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To: Lorianne

The website makes you load a whole new page of ads for every photo. No thanks. Moving on.


3 posted on 01/06/2014 8:35:55 PM PST by Born to Conserve
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To: Lorianne

http://webarchive.nationalarchives.gov.uk/20080205132100/royal-navy.mod.uk/server.php?show=conWebDoc.4124


4 posted on 01/06/2014 8:36:48 PM PST by smokingfrog ( sleep with one eye open (<o> ---)
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To: Lorianne

I wouldn’t like their chances of keeping the Falkland Islands if Argentina decided to invade again, but maybe that’s more down to the Marxists that run the government rather than the declining naval capacity.

Also, part of an effective military is having a society worth fighting and dying for. How much of that is there today? Is it really what it was in the bygone century? And that’s not a knock against Britain, I feel exactly the same about the USA. How are our soldiers supposed to fight for America with comrades who are doing their makeup and making daisy chains?


5 posted on 01/06/2014 8:41:11 PM PST by Viennacon
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To: Viennacon

argentina invades? with what? didn’t their navy get repossessed?

seriously, i don’t believe they have the ducats to pull that off and i don’t mean just coin.

i doubt they want to face the thin red line again. i’m assuming that the UK still have troops that use the knife.


6 posted on 01/06/2014 8:50:21 PM PST by RitchieAprile
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To: Lorianne
I suspect Britain has lost it's heart given the craven surrender to the muzzies and gutting of a once proud military.

They might have difficulty with an invasion by the Irish at this point....................

7 posted on 01/06/2014 8:50:56 PM PST by doorgunner69
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To: Viennacon

“Also, part of an effective military is having a society worth fighting and dying for.”

And also the willingness to use the armaments one has. We have incredible power but a tiny will to use it. A large part of this lack of will is due to a loss of confidence in our values and what we stand for on the part of the people we elect to wield that power. And in the case of the current commander in chief, he doesn’t believe and has never believed in the values that made this country great.


8 posted on 01/06/2014 9:18:13 PM PST by aquila48
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To: Lorianne

6 destroyers, 13 frigates, 2 helicopter carriers, and two amphibious landing ships. 7 attack subs, and 4 boomers that are not really suited for much else than nuclear war. No air besides helicopters.

THAT is the -entire- Royal Navy. 1 destroyer, 3 frigates and 1 attack sub per ocean. One helicopter carrier, and one landing ship per half the planet.

The Japanese Navy today is far more powerful and outclasses the RN. Sad.


9 posted on 01/06/2014 9:55:33 PM PST by DesertRhino (I was standing with a rifle, waiting for soviet paratroopers, but communists just ran for office.)
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To: Viennacon

If Argentina did for some reason invade, the Brits cannot bomb Argentina. They have no bombers ,,, period. Their only strike aircraft has a useful range of about 875 miles. Falklands to Buenos Aries is about 1100.

The Harriers are gone. The Vulcans are gone. The carriers of the British Cold War ear Navy are gone. About all the Brits could do is interdict them with subs. But they cannot project combat power.

Their bigger problem is moral rot. This is the Royal Navy that had a boarding party captured by the Iranians ***within sight*** of a RN destroyer. That would have been utterly unimaginable in the past. Nobody would have even dared.


10 posted on 01/06/2014 10:09:06 PM PST by DesertRhino (I was standing with a rifle, waiting for soviet paratroopers, but communists just ran for office.)
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To: DesertRhino

RN attack subs are equipped with Tomahawk cruise missiles. Not enough to do major damage, but they could be used in a Doolittle style raid against a couple/few targets (like powerplants) that would send a message.


11 posted on 01/06/2014 10:13:23 PM PST by tanknetter (L)
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To: tanknetter

That all they could do, send a message. They could play defense and stop resupply to the island.
But they have no ability left to project power and force their will. The fleet and airpower they used in the Falklands war was enormous compared to what they have left today.

There are four fighters based on the islands, that’s it. And no hope of delivering others. Say some morning a commando team landed blows up the 4 fighters. Capture or disable that airport by any method, and there is a company of British infantry to deal with and that’s it.
War over. The Brits could not deal with it without dragging NATO (read USA) into it.

Its fun to have nostalgia for the days of British military prowess, but now they are a hollow force, a mere shell of the past.


12 posted on 01/06/2014 10:35:39 PM PST by DesertRhino (I was standing with a rifle, waiting for soviet paratroopers, but communists just ran for office.)
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To: Lorianne

Wonderful photographs. Thanks for sharing.


13 posted on 01/06/2014 10:38:31 PM PST by beaversmom
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To: Lorianne

Britain’s tiny military is completely dependent on the US. While we have an anti-British regime like Obama’s, they cannot even count on that.


14 posted on 01/06/2014 10:52:21 PM PST by iowamark (I must study politics and war that my sons may have liberty to study mathematics and philosophy)
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To: RitchieAprile

Argentina is just a quieter version of Venezuela. They will rattle swords but they, their government and their ideology are all broke.


15 posted on 01/06/2014 11:05:39 PM PST by GeronL (Extra Large Cheesy Over-Stuffed Hobbit)
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To: DesertRhino

I had a better collection of plastic model ships in the 50’s and early 60’s than the British have in real ships today.

Models by Marx, Revell and one other company.
Started with:
PT 109
USS Nautilus
USS Enterprise
USS Missouri
Missile Destroyer
possibly a cruiser

POGO vertical takeoff aircraft and other model

B 36, B-52; B-47, B 57, F80, 84C, 86, 94, 100 104, 105
Corsair, F 70 Lockheed , many others from WW2 & Korean war era.

If I could find them (given away years ago), I would lend them to the British so that they could double their forces.

Dream on!
even had a Spitfire


16 posted on 01/07/2014 12:33:08 AM PST by MadMax, the Grinning Reaper
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To: MadMax, the Grinning Reaper

Worry not—the Royal Navy can, and will be rebuilt in time. England needs to figure out what it wants to be—an islamic nation, a weak state of a German dominated Europe or a great power. It is up to them. I believe they will select a great power. Why? They will have no choice—Germany will not give them a choice. As for the Muslims—they were be pushed out or controlled in short order once the UKIP dominate politics. I see England and France taking a big role in Africa in the future.


17 posted on 01/07/2014 2:42:35 AM PST by Forward the Light Brigade (Into the Jaws of H*ll)
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To: Lorianne

Good pics, but I wish websites would give you the option of looking at a pile of thumbnails instead of wading through all 33 of them one... at... a... time.


18 posted on 01/07/2014 4:54:14 AM PST by Right Wing Assault
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To: Lorianne; All

OOPS! I blew it! They actually DO have the option on this one to view it all as one page OR as thumbnails.

Sorry!


19 posted on 01/07/2014 4:56:28 AM PST by Right Wing Assault
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To: DesertRhino

The RN is nearly as big as the Australian Navy. The UK has nearly three times the population and GDP so to say the RN is in a sad state is understating the matter.


20 posted on 01/07/2014 5:25:48 AM PST by Dundee (They gave up all their tomorrows for our today's.)
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To: Lorianne

Back during the first Faulklands war, there was a Vulcan bomber in the SAC museum just south of Omaha, Nebraska. The British had a bunch of their people come here and get it back in flying condition. Then they flew it away. I suspect that it was flown back to England and used for parts for other Vulcans.

I was recently at the new SAC museum and saw that they again have a Vulcan on display. However, it is NOT the same one that was there before. It is a newer version than the one that they used to have.

If they need bombers for a new war, they will probably get them like they did the last time. From museums.


21 posted on 01/07/2014 5:36:56 AM PST by jim_trent
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To: jim_trent
...If they need bombers for a new war, they will probably get them like they did the last time. From museums.


.... or from civilian restoration groups...:^)

http://www.vulcantothesky.org/

22 posted on 01/07/2014 9:05:01 AM PST by az_gila
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To: RitchieAprile

They can’t even keep the Muzzies from taking over their society much less be a force in the world stage. They are a dying society. We just need to look and them and take heed.


23 posted on 01/07/2014 10:19:22 AM PST by Georgia Girl 2 (The only purpose of a pistol is to fight your way back to the rifle you should never have dropped.)
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To: Georgia Girl 2

Yawn.


24 posted on 01/07/2014 10:38:47 AM PST by the scotsman (i)
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To: tanknetter

The UK only has a small amount of Tomahawks (less than 100). The mainstay of UK missile strikes is the Storm Shadow, the Anglo-Italian-French missile, we have 900 of those.

Admittedly For the RAF, but they can easily be used by the RN, as they are built to be adaptable to air or sea.


25 posted on 01/07/2014 10:45:42 AM PST by the scotsman (i)
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To: DesertRhino

Whilst I agree the UK is not as strong as in previous years, you underestimate the ability of the UK to undertake another Falklands. Or to defend it. Frankly, another Argie attack would never get off the beach.


26 posted on 01/07/2014 10:47:07 AM PST by the scotsman (i)
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To: iowamark

No, it isn’t. And it is not tiny, smaller than it was, too small imo, but neither tiny nor reliant on the US.

We work closely with the US, but we do not rely on them for strategic or technological warfare.


27 posted on 01/07/2014 10:48:32 AM PST by the scotsman (i)
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To: DesertRhino

The RAF is still the biggest in Europe and second in NATO, second only to you. The Army still punches well above its weight.


28 posted on 01/07/2014 10:50:21 AM PST by the scotsman (i)
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To: the scotsman

We are just grateful that the next time we have to send 150,000 troops somewhere we can count on the UK for 2,500. Being such a huge military force and all.


29 posted on 01/07/2014 10:51:59 AM PST by Georgia Girl 2 (The only purpose of a pistol is to fight your way back to the rifle you should never have dropped.)
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To: the scotsman; DesertRhino
The UK only has a small amount of Tomahawks (less than 100)

Their inventory is probably set to match the space available on their SSNs. I'd imagine that they have agreements in place with the US to acquire additional examples, either from existing US stocks or direct purchase from the manufacturer. This latter could include FMS pre-clearance, making it harder for the Anglophobic Obama Administration to block the sale.

The question I have is: how many Tomahawks would it take to drop the Buenos Aires power grid and then conduct follow-on strikes to keep it down? Assuming that the Brits bought some of those nifty carbon-fiber filament warheads designed to crash powergrids by shorting them out, you could have a nice one-two punch. The first punch drops the grid in a fairly non-damaging way to show that the UK can, with the threat of an HE follow-up that will do more lasting and expensive damage should the Argentinian regime fail to see the error of its ways.

Keep in mind that while the immediate goal of the Black Buck Raids were to cut the runway at Stanley and to conduct SEAD (using Shrikes), there was a larger psychological goal of demonstrating to the Argentinian's that the RAF COULD reach out and touch them, on the mainland, if Maggie Thatcher decided to.
30 posted on 01/07/2014 11:05:05 AM PST by tanknetter (L)
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To: Georgia Girl 2

Spitting on the contribution and the sacrifice of British men and women alongside America in warzones like Iraq and Afghanistan.

Classy. Real classy.

You are the lowest of the low.


31 posted on 01/07/2014 5:53:30 PM PST by the scotsman (i)
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