Skip to comments.Charlie Rose Wonders If Extreme Cold Snap 'Definitely Connected to Global Warming'
Posted on 01/06/2014 9:04:19 PM PST by chessplayer
On Monday's CBS This Morning, Charlie Rose predictably placed the blame for the unusually cold weather in North America on climate change. Rose wondered, "Is it definitely connected to global warming?"
I guess he answers his own question with, “definitely.”
That guy always looks like has a brain-fogging hangover.
Time to serve up another fresh, “Warm globally, cool locally!” to Charley!
Of course it is caused by global warming.
Because global warming is leaving.
As the auctioneers say: “Going, going, gone.”
What a genus anus!!! :) For the up is down, left is right, right is wrong crowd....cooling is warming. Brilliant mental acrobatics to come up with this!
And here it starts. Wonder what took them so long.
Hey dude, get with the program.
The most obvious evidence of global warming is record cold temperatures world wide , record snow fall world wide and the largest accumulation of ice and glaciers in the North and South Poles on record.
I mean really, what else could world wide cold temperatures signify but man made global warming?
Rose is a dim bulb and a liberal suck-up.
That remark will go down in history as the prototypical example of the partisan and non objective perspective of “journalism” in the age of Obama.
He is out of touch. The proper question is, is this being caused by ocean acidification?
They've had SNOW is the Middle East for cryin' out loud. Obviously proof of global warming. /s
“Global warming science”! So simple even a TV talk show host can do it!
You can’t make this stuff up. Stupid is as stupid does.
Everyone knows it's Bush's fault.
Some of your scientists keep insisting it's global warming. But what if they're wrong?
Seriously, how could anyone say something so insanely and inanely stupid with a straight face? It's January Charlie, not April 1st.
The "Grim Realities" of Global COOLING
"The central fact is that after three quarters of a century of extraordinarily mild conditions, the earth's climate seems to be cooling down. Meteorologists disagree about the cause and extent of the cooling trend, as well as over its specific impact on local weather conditions. But they are almost unanimous in the view that the trend will reduce agricultural productivity for the rest of the century. If the climatic change is as profound as some of the pessimists fear, the resulting famines could be catastrophic."
The Cooling World
Newsweek, April 28, 1975
There are ominous signs that the Earth's weather patterns have begun to change dramatically and that these changes may portend a drastic decline in food production with serious political implications for just about every nation on Earth. The drop in food output could begin quite soon, perhaps only 10 years from now. The regions destined to feel its impact are the great wheat-producing lands of Canada and the U.S.S.R. in the North, along with a number of marginally self- sufficient tropical areas parts of India, Pakistan, Bangladesh, Indochina and Indonesia where the growing season is dependent upon the rains brought by the monsoon.
The evidence in support of these predictions has now begun to accumulate so massively that meteorologists are hard-pressed to keep up with it. In England, farmers have seen their growing season decline by about two weeks since 1950, with a resultant overall loss in grain production estimated at up to 100,000 tons annually. During the same time, the average temperature around the equator has risen by a fraction of a degree a fraction that in some areas can mean drought and desolation. Last April, in the most devastating outbreak of tornadoes ever recorded, 148 twisters killed more than 300 people and caused half a billion dollars' worth of damage in 13 U.S. states.
To scientists, these seemingly disparate incidents represent the advance signs of fundamental changes in the world's weather. The central fact is that after three quarters of a century of extraordinarily mild conditions, the earth's climate seems to be cooling down. Meteorologists disagree about the cause and extent of the cooling trend, as well as over its specific impact on local weather conditions. But they are almost unanimous in the view that the trend will reduce agricultural productivity for the rest of the century. If the climatic change is as profound as some of the pessimists fear, the resulting famines could be catastrophic.
"A major climatic change would force economic and social adjustments on a worldwide scale," warns a recent report by the National Academy of Sciences, "because the global patterns of food production and population that have evolved are implicitly dependent on the climate of the present century."
A survey completed last year by Dr. Murray Mitchell of the National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration reveals a drop of half a degree in average ground temperatures in the Northern Hemisphere between 1945 and 1968. According to George Kukla of Columbia University, satellite photos indicated a sudden, large increase in Northern Hemisphere snow cover in the winter of 1971-72. And a study released last month by two NOAA scientists notes that the amount of sunshine reaching the ground in the continental U.S. diminished by 1.3% between 1964 and 1972.
To the layman, the relatively small changes in temperature and sunshine can be highly misleading. Reid Bryson of the University of Wisconsin points out that the Earth's average temperature during the great Ice Ages was only about seven degrees lower than during its warmest eras and that the present decline has taken the planet about a sixth of the way toward the Ice Age average. Others regard the cooling as a reversion to the "little ice age" conditions that brought bitter winters to much of Europe and northern America between 1600 and 1900 years when the Thames used to freeze so solidly that Londoners roasted oxen on the ice and when iceboats sailed the Hudson River almost as far south as New York City.
Just what causes the onset of major and minor ice ages remains a mystery. "Our knowledge of the mechanisms of climatic change is at least as fragmentary as our data," concedes the National Academy of Sciences report. "Not only are the basic scientific questions largely unanswered, but in many cases we do not yet know enough to pose the key questions."
Meteorologists think that they can forecast the short-term results of the return to the norm of the last century. They begin by noting the slight drop in overall temperature that produces large numbers of pressure centers in the upper atmosphere. These break up the smooth flow of westerly winds over temperate areas. The stagnant air produced in this way causes an increase in extremes of local weather such as droughts, floods, extended dry spells, long freezes, delayed monsoons and even local temperature increases all of which have a direct impact on food supplies.
"The world's food-producing system," warns Dr. James D. McQuigg of NOAA's Center for Climatic and Environmental Assessment, "is much more sensitive to the weather variable than it was even five years ago." Furthermore, the growth of world population and creation of new national boundaries make it impossible for starving peoples to migrate from their devastated fields, as they did during past famines.
Climatologists are pessimistic that political leaders will take any positive action to compensate for the climatic change, or even to allay its effects. They concede that some of the more spectacular solutions proposed, such as melting the Arctic ice cap by covering it with black soot or diverting arctic rivers, might create problems far greater than those they solve. But the scientists see few signs that government leaders anywhere are even prepared to take the simple measures of stockpiling food or of introducing the variables of climatic uncertainty into economic projections of future food supplies. The longer the planners delay, the more difficult will they find it to cope with climatic change once the results become grim reality.
The Cooling World:
Original Newsweek article with scary maps and graphs:
Grandfather Mountain, NC Current Conditions
-53 wind chill
in 1984 it dropped to -20 degrees in Toledo,Ohio. In 1994, it dropped to -25 degrees in akron, ohio. Today it dropped to -15 degrees In Toledo. It was significantly colder in Ohio 20-30 years ago before anyone ever heard of this globull warming business. It seems to me that this is evidence that supports the theory that weather patterns are variable and complex and that the weather events of today are not as spectacular and sensational as some would have us believe. Yes, it’s cold. Cold is what happens in winter, but it’s far from an unprecedented cold.
The environment is suffering damage that could be irreversible global warming, the greenhouse effect, the melting of the polar ice caps, the rising sea level, hurricanes with terrible social occurrences that will shake life on this planet.
I believe this idea has a strong connection with reality. I dont think we have much time. Fidel Castro said in one of his speeches I read not so long ago, tomorrow could be too late, lets do now what we need to do.
I believe it is time that we take up with courage and clarity a political, social, collective and ideological offensive across the world a real offensive that permits us to move progressively, over the next years, the next decades, leaving behind the perverse, destructive, destroyer, capitalist model and go forward in constructing the socialist model to avoid barbarism and beyond that the annihilation of life on this planet.
Hugo Chavez, at the 16th World Festival of Youth and Students, held in Caracas on August 8-15, 2005
Bin Laden blasts US for climate change
CAIRO Al-Qaida leader Osama bin Laden has called for the world to boycott American goods and the U.S. dollar, blaming the United States and other industrialized countries for global warming, according to a new audiotape released Friday.
In the tape, broadcast in part on Al-Jazeera television, bin Laden warned of the dangers of climate change and says that the way to stop it is to bring the wheels of the American economy to a halt.
Charles Manson, the notorious cult leader, has broken a 20-year silence in an interview from his prison cell to warn the world of an impending apocalypse due to global warming.
Everyones God and if we dont wake up to that theres going to be no weather because our polar caps are melting because were doing bad things to the atmosphere, he said.
The automobiles and fossil fuels are destroying the atmosphere and we wont have air to breathe.
Charlie required a long time to extract his head from his hind quarters, so firmly wedged it was.
How is it that guys like Rose, Brokaw, Moyers, have the mantle of wisdom placed upon them? Is it the false sincerity that fools everybody? Is the the slow-talking-must-be-smart-talking syndrome? What the hell is it, anyway.....
"Carbon dioxide in the atmosphere [historically] is the product of oceanic respiration due to the well-known but under-appreciated solubility pump. Carbon dioxide rises out of warm ocean waters where it is added to the atmosphere. There it is mixed with residual and accidental CO2, and circulated, to be absorbed into the sink of the cold ocean waters. Next the thermohaline circulation carries the CO2-rich sea water deep into the ocean. A millennium later it appears at the surface in warm waters, saturated by lower pressure and higher temperature, to be exhausted back into the atmosphere. Throughout the past 420 millennia, comprising four interglacial periods, the Vostok record of atmospheric carbon dioxide concentration is imprinted with, and fully characterized by, the physics of the solubility of CO2 in water, along with the lag in the deep ocean circulation.
Notwithstanding that carbon dioxide is a greenhouse gas, atmospheric carbon dioxide has neither caused nor amplified global temperature increases. Increased carbon dioxide has been an effect of global warming, not a cause [historically -etl]. Technically, carbon dioxide is a lagging proxy for ocean temperatures. When global temperature, and along with it, ocean temperature rises, the physics of solubility causes atmospheric CO2 to increase.
If increases in carbon dioxide, or any other greenhouse gas, could have in turn raised global temperatures, the positive feedback would have been catastrophic. While the conditions for such a catastrophe were present in the Vostok record from natural causes, the runaway event did not occur. Carbon dioxide does not accumulate in the atmosphere."
Global Warming is DEFINITELY MAN MADE!!
Here’s how it works:
Do you remember how Marijuana turned all of your high school buddies into freelance philosophy majors?
They imagined all sorts complex and outlandish explanations for how things worked in time and space.
Are you beginning to recognize the similarity with the theories being posited for Global Warming?
Thus, with a little help from Mary Jane, Global Warming is indeed “man-made”.....
Wrong. The most important players on the greenhouse stage are water vapor and clouds [clouds of course aren't gas, but high level ones do act to trap heat from escaping, while low-lying cumulus clouds tend to reflect sunlight and thereby help cool the planet -etl]. Carbon dioxide has been increased to about 0.038% of the atmosphere (possibly from about 0.028% pre-Industrial Revolution) while water in its various forms ranges from 0% to 4% of the atmosphere and its properties vary by what form it is in and even at what altitude it is found in the atmosphere.
In simple terms the bulk of Earth's greenhouse effect is due to water vapor by virtue of its abundance. Water accounts for about 90% of the Earth's greenhouse effect -- perhaps 70% is due to water vapor and about 20% due to clouds (mostly water droplets), some estimates put water as high as 95% of Earth's total tropospheric greenhouse effect (e.g., Freidenreich and Ramaswamy, 'Solar Radiation Absorption by Carbon Dioxide, Overlap with Water, and a Parameterization for General Circulation Models,' Journal of Geophysical Research 98 (1993):7255-7264).
The remaining portion comes from carbon dioxide, nitrous oxide, methane, ozone and miscellaneous other 'minor greenhouse gases.' As an example of the relative importance of water it should be noted that changes in the relative humidity on the order of 1.3-4% are equivalent to the effect of doubling CO2.
Water Vapor Rules the Greenhouse System
Water vapor constitutes Earth's most significant greenhouse gas, accounting for about 95% of Earth's greenhouse effect (4). Interestingly, many 'facts and figures' regarding global warming completely ignore the powerful effects of water vapor in the greenhouse system, carelessly (perhaps, deliberately) overstating human impacts as much as 20-fold.
Water vapor is 99.999% of natural origin. Other atmospheric greenhouse gases, carbon dioxide (CO2), methane (CH4), nitrous oxide (N2O), and miscellaneous other gases (CFC's, etc.), are also mostly of natural origin (except for the latter, which is mostly anthropogenic).
Human activities contribute slightly to greenhouse gas concentrations through farming, manufacturing, power generation, and transportation. However, these emissions are so dwarfed in comparison to emissions from natural sources we can do nothing about, that even the most costly efforts to limit human emissions would have a very small-- perhaps undetectable-- effect on global climate.
Water Vapor Confirmed As Major Player In Climate Change
ScienceDaily (Nov. 18, 2008) Water vapor is known to be Earth's most abundant greenhouse gas, but the extent of its contribution to global warming has been debated. Using recent NASA satellite data, researchers have estimated more precisely than ever the heat-trapping effect of water in the air, validating the role of the gas as a critical component of climate change.
Break out the cases of sunblock. Definitely some global warming going on out there.
The polar Ice melting is caused by the extreme cold brought on by Man Made Global Warming
CO2 is a coolant, not an insulator. Air without CO2 is more of an insulator than air with CO2.
Global Warming is whatever the Marxists say it is.
Pray America is Waking
A wretch needing a water boarding in water at the global freezing temp.
Sorry, I needed to update the first link in my post 28 above, the one for the JunkScience piece. I just now realized it had changed.
Here’s the correct one.
Perhaps he's right. And if someone beat his lying face in with a nail-studded baseball bat, that would be definitely connected to global warming, too.
>>CO2 is a coolant, not an insulator.
>>>Air without CO2 is more of an insulator than air with CO2.
G. V. CHILINGAR, L. F. KHILYUK, and O. G. SOROKHTIN, 2008, Cooling of Atmosphere Due to CO2 Emission, Energy Sources, Part A, 30:19, 2008 ISSN: 1556-7036 print/1556-7230 online DOI: 10.1080/15567030701568727
Traditional anthropogenic theory of currently observed global warming states that release of carbon dioxide into atmosphere (partially as a result of utilization of fossil fuels) leads to an increase in atmospheric temperature because the molecules of CO2 (and other greenhouse gases) absorb the infrared radiation from the Earths surface. This statement is based on the Arrhenius hypothesis, which was never verified (Arrhenius, 1896).
The proponents of this theory take into consideration only one component of heat transfer in atmosphere, i.e., radiation. Yet, in the dense Earths troposphere with the pressure pa > 0:2 atm, the heat from the Earths surface is mostly transferred by convection (Sorokhtin, 2001a). According to our estimates, convection accounts for 67%, water vapor condensation in troposphere accounts for 25%, and radiation accounts for about 8% of the total heat transfer from the Earths surface to troposphere.
Thus, convection is the dominant process of heat transfer in troposphere, and all the theories of Earths atmospheric heating (or cooling) first of all must consider this process of heat (energy) mass redistribution in atmosphere (Sorokhtin, 2001a, 2001b; Khilyuk and Chilingar, 2003, 2004)...
...Accumulation of large amounts of carbon dioxide in the atmosphere leads to the cooling, and not to warming of climate, as the proponents of traditional anthropogenic global warming theory believe (Aeschbach-Hertig, 2006). This conclusion has a simple physical explanation: when the infrared radiation is absorbed by the molecules of greenhouse gases, its energy is transformed into thermal expansion of air, which causes convective fluxes of air masses restoring the adiabatic distribution of temperature in the troposphere. Our estimates show that release of small amounts of carbon dioxide (several hundreds ppm), which are typical for the scope of anthropogenic emission, does not influence the global temperature of Earths atmosphere.
(an interesting back and forth argument at link)
If it is true, then we can power our refrigerators by candles.
Rose hasn’t gotten the memo. It’s no longer global warming. It’s climate change.
Well, we all knew they would, so you are right, what took them so long?
I read that last year’s super cold winter in northern Europe was caused by a change in air currents caused by melting of more of the Arctic Ocean. Very confusing.
I had a roommate in college who was a philosophy major. I called it majoring in arguing.
I am not sure if it would be related to global warming, but I am sure of one thing, it would be a huge improvement.
Charlie Rose knows better than to link this to Global Warming. He hopes to renew his liberal creditials for another programming year.
You read right. The hare-brained “theory” is that arctic warming throws off ‘hurricanes” of sub-zero temps.
Charlie, just make the case for communism. Sell it.
Why manufacture these dumb side shows which just prolong your goal and make you look moronic?
When its all said and done......That's the post of the day..
seriously Charlie would say things with a straight face that a hooker couldnt say..
I think Rose got mentally frosted many years ago. He’s a “gusher” type host, like Phil Donahue and Chrissy Matthews.
They slobber over liberal guests like a dog over a dropped hot dog.
What the hell is Joe Pine now that we need him?