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Twisted Logic from MSNBC's Hayes: Paying People Not to Work Encourages Them to 'Get Back to Work'
Newsbusters ^ | 1/06/14 | Brad Wilmouth

Posted on 01/07/2014 2:43:43 AM PST by Libloather

Friday's All In with Chris Hayes exhibited host Hayes's latest example of fuzzy logic as he argued that paying people unemployment benefits, rather than encouraging them to go longer without taking a new job, actually encourages them to "get back to work."

After applying loaded words and phrases like "unconscionably" and "screwing over millions of people" to Republican opposition to unemployment benefit extension, the MSNBC host played a clip of Kentucky Republican Senator Rand Paul arguing that unemployment benefits encourage people to remain unemployed longer, and then responded:

**SNIP**

Now, the reason Congress has never failed to extend federal emergency unemployment benefits with unemployment this high is that the program actually keeps people in the labor force.

(Excerpt) Read more at newsbusters.org ...


TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Editorial; Government; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: hayes; logic; msnbc; work
Hopefully RATS twist until they break.
1 posted on 01/07/2014 2:43:44 AM PST by Libloather
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To: Libloather
Being retired and living on SS aslone, I can attest to some facts .. true about myself.

I worked the last 10 or 15 years as a prepper, getting more serious in the last couple of years.

I stopped putting other men's children through college in 2012 and used the time and unemployment money to cap some projects and ideas.

Now I'm relatively self sufficient, but older and a little more broken down, unable to get a job, or even work it if i GOT one and I tell ya' ...




NOTHING beats having a job and a paycheck.

We're doing OK and I have no fear we'll suffer much if the rug is pulled out, but shopping for ONLY what's on the list is disappointing.

2 posted on 01/07/2014 3:11:47 AM PST by knarf (I say things that are true .. I have no proof .. but they're true.)
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To: Libloather

The solution is easy and I am surprised the GOP has not offered it.

Extend the benefits for a year but make it a loan that, like student loans, has to be paid back.

If dems oppose immediately attack them as uncaring.


3 posted on 01/07/2014 3:37:42 AM PST by icwhatudo (Low taxes and less spending in Sodom and Gomorrah is not my idea of a conservative victory)
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To: Libloather
Friday's All In with Chris Hayes exhibited host Hayes's latest example of fuzzy logic as he argued that paying people unemployment benefits, rather than encouraging them to go longer without taking a new job, actually encourages them to "get back to work."

It does appear that Hayes has a disordered mind, but he does have a point that paying out unemployment benefits actually encourages them to "get back to work." They do that "under the table" in order to supplement their unemployment benefits.

Chris Hayes surely knows that already, but he wants to help his fellow leftists change the subject from health care to other things.

4 posted on 01/07/2014 3:38:20 AM PST by olezip (Time obliterates the fictions of opinion and confirms the decisions of nature. ~ Cicero)
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To: Libloather

Whatever Marxists say it is it is. Charging more for healthcare makes it more affordable.

Pray America is Waking


5 posted on 01/07/2014 4:20:34 AM PST by bray ("The Republic of Texas 2022" is coming in Feb)
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To: Libloather
when do they start handing out the free drugs???
6 posted on 01/07/2014 4:39:24 AM PST by Chode (Stand UP and Be Counted, or line up and be numbered - *DTOM* -vvv- NO Pity for the LAZY - 86-44)
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To: Chode
when do they start handing out the free drugs???

the instant that they realize that it would get them votes

7 posted on 01/07/2014 4:47:27 AM PST by Cyclone59 (Where are we going, and what's with the handbasket?)
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To: Libloather

Melissa Harris Perry went further and said the alternative to this helping hand (unemployment comp extension) to find a job was welfare and the GOP wanted Americans on welfare.

Don’t forget the argument that unemployment comp puts $$$ in ‘Americans pockets’ which they spend right away stimulating the economy which creates jobs.


8 posted on 01/07/2014 4:57:30 AM PST by sickoflibs (Obama : 'If you like your Doctor you can keep him, PERIOD! Don't believe the GOPs warnings')
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To: Cyclone59
100%
9 posted on 01/07/2014 4:59:53 AM PST by Chode (Stand UP and Be Counted, or line up and be numbered - *DTOM* -vvv- NO Pity for the LAZY - 86-44)
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To: Libloather
The "logic" is I can work all day, put up with irritating bosses who are never satisfied with my half-work, and go home tired and aggravated for $300 a week, or I can sit at home, watch TV, do whatever I want, and get $200-250 a week plus a monthly food stamp allotment.

Quite frankly, in that scenario, it's an easy choice. However, make it $300 a week working vs. $0 for sitting at home, and I think you'd have more people actively looking for work.

10 posted on 01/07/2014 5:01:02 AM PST by cincinnati65
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To: icwhatudo

How about the Republicans go on tv, day after day, and blast the Obama Administration on its policies which have destroyed the economy? Day after day whenever they get a chance. Then tie that in with the unemployment rate.

Beating up, day after day, on people who are on unemployment (which basically means “once dutifully employed, now without a job”) comes across as tone deaf. Yes, people shouldn’t have to be on unemployment for 99 weeks but I don’t know anyone who has had that privilege. Personally, I mean.


11 posted on 01/07/2014 5:39:25 AM PST by miss marmelstein (Richard Lives Yet!)
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To: Libloather

Liberalism truly is a mental disease.


12 posted on 01/07/2014 7:15:58 AM PST by mc5cents (Pray for America)
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To: Libloather

There might be an alternative to this. To start with, evaluate the unemployed as to *why* they are unemployed. Often there are hidden, correctable, educational reasons, like illiteracy or the inability to do basic math.

Remember, for many years, public schools graduated students with minimal education. Now that they are adults, they are often caught, and unable to make up for that lost opportunity.

So a state could hire some teachers specifically to teach the unemployed those essential skills, *while* they are being paid unemployment, and looking for work. Hopefully at the same place.


13 posted on 01/07/2014 7:31:40 AM PST by yefragetuwrabrumuy (There Is Still A Very Hot War On Terror, Just Not On The MSM. Rantburg.com)
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To: icwhatudo

Nice!


14 posted on 01/07/2014 7:48:01 AM PST by gnickgnack2 (QUESTION obama's AUTHORITY)
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To: Libloather

I like news from parallel universes.


15 posted on 01/07/2014 7:59:27 AM PST by 12th_Monkey (In an alternate universe Obama still dips ice cream)
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To: Libloather

This little MSNBC tool has all the brain power of a chef salad.


16 posted on 01/07/2014 8:14:18 AM PST by Wordkraft (Remember who the Collaborators are.)
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To: Libloather
Twisted Logic from MSNBC's Hayes:

Woe to them that call evil good; and good evil

17 posted on 01/07/2014 9:04:42 AM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: miss marmelstein
Day after day whenever they get a chance.

I'm sorry, but here at WXYZ, our schedule is full up with PSAs at this time.

Please call back next quarter.

18 posted on 01/07/2014 9:07:17 AM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: Libloather

19 posted on 01/07/2014 9:09:20 AM PST by COBOL2Java (I'm a Christian, pro-life, pro-gun, Reaganite. The GOP hates me. Why should I vote for them?)
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To: COBOL2Java

Just right now zero stepped in it big-time when he accidentally admitted that employers may not be too keen to hire long-term unemployed. He didn’t recover for 5 minutes.

Accidental truth from POSHITUS, a milestone.


20 posted on 01/07/2014 9:12:18 AM PST by txhurl
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To: icwhatudo

The response would be that it makes it useless for people to try to find a job when that runs out beacuse their earnings would go to repaying the loan, leaving them nothing to live on. You cannot win an argument with people who don’t believe in reality other than the reality they perceive in their fantasies.


21 posted on 01/07/2014 12:57:00 PM PST by RipSawyer (The TREE currently falling on you actually IS worse than a Bush.)
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To: sickoflibs; Libloather

I love Pelosi’s “welfare checks-create-spending” argument.

As if the Taxpayers’ spending isn’t negatively impacted!


22 posted on 01/07/2014 6:53:17 PM PST by 4Liberty (Mr President 'If you Like your college transcripts...can we see them?')
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To: 4Liberty

Hearing what these LIB/DIM freaks-of-nature spew, I believe I am visiting a mental asylum.


23 posted on 01/08/2014 2:06:56 PM PST by hal ogen (First Amendment or Reeducation Camp?)
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To: Libloather

Chris Hayes: I'm 'Uncomfortable' Calling Fallen Military 'Heroes'

24 posted on 01/08/2014 2:21:15 PM PST by kcvl
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To: Libloather

Chris Hayes’ wife...Hayes is married to Kate A. Shaw, assistant professor of law at Benjamin N. Cardozo School of Law

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ImEfJyOvls4

Published on Jun 27, 2013

Cardozo Professor Kate Shaw discusses the U.S. Supreme Court’s decisions on DOMA and Proposition 8, and the impact they will have on marriage equality in America.

Hayes’ brother Luke worked on Barack Obama’s 2012 reelection campaign


25 posted on 01/08/2014 2:28:55 PM PST by kcvl
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Before joining Cardozo, Professor Shaw worked in the White House Counsel’s Office as a Special Assistant to the President and Associate Counsel to the President. She clerked for Justice John Paul Stevens of the U.S. Supreme Court and Judge Richard A. Posner of the U.S. Court of Appeals for the Seventh Circuit.

26 posted on 01/08/2014 2:32:40 PM PST by kcvl
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To: Libloather

Mr. Hayes is fairly obsessed with wealth inequality and tends to address the topic at a machine-gun clip. “The core economic fact of America since 1973 is rising, accelerating income inequality, more specifically, in a pattern that confers the largest gains to a smaller and smaller group at the top,” he explained.

At the sight of a nod, he moved on.

“I’m using data from Pikkety and Saez,” he explained, “He won the John Bates Clark medal.”

Nod.

“I call it fractal inequality, because inequality reinscribes itself every level.”

This is not blowhard punditry; Mr. Hayes, an editor-at-large at The Nation, is deep in it right now. On his days off, he works on revisions of his book, due out from Crown Publishing in spring 2012. “The book is about how accelerating inequality has produced dysfunctional elites,” he explained, “which have produced failing institutions and broken the bonds of trust between the people and the leaders of the institutions.”

The son of a retired public school educator and a community organizer turned Department of Health advocacy worker, Mr. Hayes was born and raised in the Bronx. After graduating from Hunter College High School in Manhattan, he attended Brown, where he studied philosophy, wrote and acted in plays and met Kate Shaw, now a law professor and former associate counsel to President Obama. The two wed in 2007.

While Ms. Shaw attended law school at Northwestern, Mr. Hayes landed a fellowship writing for In These Times, a leftist investigative journal. When she began a clerkship in D.C., he got a writing and editing gig at The Nation. There, his eloquence made him seem a natural for cable appearances.

After a run of successful guest spots, including hosting for Rachel Maddow in spring of 2010, MSNBC offered him a network analyst contract. In July 2010, he was among several invited to sub for Ms. Maddow while she was in Afghanistan, in what is now seen as an audition.

Read more at http://observer.com/2011/10/msnbcs-fresh-faced-chris-hayes-makes-it-up-as-he-goes-along/#ixzz2pqhnXsMo

After signing his contract, he and Ms. Shaw packed up their Prius and moved to Park Slope. (He now gets around on a bike.)


27 posted on 01/08/2014 2:36:37 PM PST by kcvl
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To: Chode

“a gram beats a damn!”


28 posted on 01/08/2014 2:37:56 PM PST by MrB (The difference between a Humanist and a Satanist - the latter admits whom he's working for)
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To: MrB
seems like...
29 posted on 01/08/2014 3:29:54 PM PST by Chode (Stand UP and Be Counted, or line up and be numbered - *DTOM* -vvv- NO Pity for the LAZY - 86-44)
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