Skip to comments.WE WON THE IRAQ WAR
Posted on 01/07/2014 6:14:28 AM PST by shortstop
I have a friend who fought in Fallujah.
He is boisterous and confident and full of life. He has the can-do spirit that defines himself and all who have worn the blue cord of the Army Infantry.
But yesterday he was broken.
As he talked about the Iraq war, and specifically the fight for Fallujah, there was a sadness that doesnt come out in the speeches and books. There wasnt the never-say-die confidence of a veteran non-commissioned officer, there was instead the dazed uncertainty of a man who looks back and wonders what the hell it was all about.
Why did he face death, why did he inflict death, why did he and his buddies bleed and die on that Godforsaken soil for it all to come to this.
To an al Qaida win.
Last week Fallujah fell to al Qaida. This generations Normandy now flies the Nazi flag. The most intense urban fighting the world has seen since World War II has ended up with the good guys gone and the bad guys triumphant.
Our Iraq transition plan boiled down to us out and al Qaida in. In the political vilification of the president who launched a war our nation and its leaders have disavowed the war itself and, consequently, the men who fought it.
And the prizes they claimed.So the al Qaida flag flies. The Syrian rebels Washington wanted to arm slunk across the border and, their jihadist passions embroiled, sought to defecate on the American legacy by claiming our bloodiest prize.
And my friend wonders what the hell it was all about. He has come to taste the bitterness of the Vietnam veteran, in which the shifting sands of public opinion have turned his days of glory and sacrifice into an expedition of waste and shame.
Iraq is shattered, we have gained nothing, and enemy boots now trod soil bought with American blood.
Thats how it looks.
But thats not how it is.
Thats not how it is at all.
Because the Iraq war was a resounding win, and every effort there every life lost there directly protected the safety and freedom of the American homeland.
America must never forget that, and Americas veterans must never forget that.
The war in Iraq was a diverting effort, a changing of the venue in the war with terror, it was to this war what the Italian campaign was to the Second World War.
Americas awareness of extremist Islams war against Christians, Jews and democracy began on September 11, 2001. Some 3,000 defenseless civilians were killed by that war in the American homeland that day.Extremist Islam had declared the war and chosen the battlefield and the combatants. Their fanatic savages against our wives and mothers, stewardesses and office workers, in our country and on our planes.
That was their choice.
Thats where they wanted to fight.
They wanted to slaughter our unarmed families in our homeland.
And we didnt stand for that.
We hit them with the left and we hit them with the right. We quickly took down their Taliban protectors in Afghanistan, and then we chose a diversionary fight to attract the scum of the Muslim pond the steady crop of jihadists and destroy them.
To be blunt, we needed to bleed them down, to draw them into a fight and etrit them. We needed a grinder for the enemys passion, and Iraq was that grinder.
They wanted to fight unarmed civilians in America, we got them to fight our trained soldiers in Iraq. We changed the target of their ire from mothers to Marines and we changed the battlefield from our home to theirs.
And we stacked them up like cordwood.
And we called it the Iraq war, though it really had nothing to do with Iraq. Yes, there was talk about weapons of mass destruction and Saddam Hussein, and maybe leaders actually did think those things were important. But the guiding hand of Providence, which has stood around the American campfire from the days of Valley Forge, had another agenda.
It was a strategy of diversion, to misdirect and blunt the jihadist hate, in order to achieve an overriding objective to secure and protect America.
My friend and his comrades did not fight and die for Fallujah, they fought and died for America. It wasnt about that soil, it was about this soil. And it was not a loss, it was a win.
Yes, the al Qaida flag flies over Fallujah today, but it does not fly over America.
There was a mission, it was accomplished. And though there may be a new mission today, and tomorrow, it does not diminish or negate the mission of yesterday.
The purpose of the Iraq war was to keep them busy, to draw them away from our families and homes, to let them bleed into their own soil instead of into ours. The verdict of the Iraq war is not what happens today in Iraq, its what happens today and over the last decade in America.
We won. The Iraq conflict was noble, purposeful and successful.
And the Iraq veteran is an American hero. He bought us a decade of American security, and his successors are buying another decade today.
Obama owns the lose of the Iraq war, period!
Just like ‘Nam: “We were winning when I left.”
Our politicians are feckless and corrupt.
All added together they are not worth a bucket of warm spit.
Taliban are taking over Afghanistan also.
Bu make believe weddings are what is most important.
-> Yes, the al Qaida flag flies over Fallujah today, but it does not fly over America.
Our CIC is working on that...
True. And he doesn’t care! A lot of those who died would have voted Republican anyhow.
That was the goal and it was not for the American people's gain.
The Syrian rebels Washington wanted to arm slunk across the border and, their jihadist passions embroiled, sought to defecate on the American legacy by claiming our bloodiest prize.
Syria is the be shattered next, using Al-CIA-duh jihadists as the ground troops. Uncle Scam has been giving them weapons and money and now Fallujah has been given to them as a cross border base of operations.
Not to mention Afghanistan.
I said back when we invaded Iraq, that we’d better be prepared to be there for at least 20 years, or else this would precisely happen.
We won the first and second Iraq war. What’s going on now is the third Iraq war and we’re not involved.
But if the author is correct and the war we fought was to keep them busy, are more 911 attacks coming? We’re not keeping them busy anymore.
This is Vietnam 1974. Democrats have a history of squandering the sacrifices of Americans. And they do so with pride and conviction.
We are broke. PERIOD
We still have troops in Germany and Japan. The good news is that the 2 countries and their people had a long history of structure as well as education-meaning hope. Does Iraq have any hope of that? We Had to leave.
I say turn the country over to the Chinese. Otherwise just turn over all captured weapons to the population.
Part of the answer is to drop silly, obviously untrue concepts like “extremist Islam” (which this author uses). We must admit that Islam is Islam. George Bush set us back at least 25 years in facing up to the issue with his “religion of peace” BS.
Islam simply is not a religion of peace. It is a totalitarian political system that uses religion as a beard, and it is completely incompatible with Western ideas of individual liberty.
Only when we admit what we are truly up against can we begin to have a rational conversation about what we do next.
“So, what’s the answer? Do we start all over again in Iraq? Did we really think we were really finished when we left Iraq?”
The answer is that we never should have gone in there in the first place as this “war on terror” can never be won just like the “war on drugs” can never be won. Face it, all you guys that were all ra-ra for us invading are finding out what anyone with a brain knew from the beginning which was that we would do the same thing we did in Vietnam (kill a bunch of natives lose a few of our own and then go home).
The man in the article has finally figured out that it was all a waste and that nothing has changed or will change. It does not matter who is in office as Bush was doing the same thing as Obama (and really there is not much difference between the two as far a how they have acted in office). Try and learn from this the next time some pol stands up and shouts that Amerika is in danger and we need to kill people.
This is what happens when you declare victory without destroying your enemy.
It’s worth noting that under that schema, there was a zero-th Iraq war with the Iranians that was fought to a draw with almost WWI casualty levels among the military forces involved.
Just to keep everyone aware of the applicable modern history.
Patience is the answer.
Lets see if the Iraqi government forces can take out the trash in Fallujah, like the US military did.
The pinnacle of muslim “civilization” is barbarism and the few places where civilization actually exist in the mideast are little more than a facade to attract western dollars.
For a miniscule fraction of the cost in blood and money we could actually protect our own country and let the middle eastern strongmen have their little kingdoms of sand.
Question for debate: Resolved, the country would have been better off if Bush had done absolutely nothing after 911, instead of the course he actually took.
I see no difference between your comment and the view of the ultra-left and Obama.
We shouldn’t have even gone in in 1991. Don’t get involved in intra-Arab/intra-Muslim squabbles.
and their accomplices in the media.
God, how I hate them!
It is Traitorobama's defeat and the defeat of the 66 million fellow traitors who voted for him. They should be mocked and ridiculed until the day they are tried, convicted, and sentenced for giving aid and comfort to the enemy... or they go to hell, whichever comes first.
Anyone notice that little Shi’ite Muqtada al-Sadr, who lived for giving our effort fits, seems rather silent these days? I guess he’ll remain so unless al-Qaeda decides to take his sector of Baghdad.
“Born down in a dead mans town.
The first kick I took was when I hit the ground
‘Til you spend half your life just a covering up
Like a dog that’s been beat too much.
Born in the USA!
I was born in the USA!
I was born in the USA!
Had a brother who was at Khe Sanh
Fighting the North and the Viet Cong.
They’re still there.
He’s all gone.
Born in the USA!
I was born in the USA!
I was born in the USA!
Went back to the refinery.
The man said, ‘Son, if it was up to me’.
Went down to see my VA man.
He said, ‘Son, don’t you understand?’
Born in the USA!
I was born in the USA!
I was born in the USA!
I’m a long-gone Daddy in the USA.”
“I see no difference between your comment and the view of the ultra-left and Obama.”
Oh really? Then why are we still there and why did it take Obama all this time to pull out? Remember that it was a leftist (JFK and Johnson) that got us into Vietnam and it was a leftist (Bush, and if you don’t think that he’s a leftist then tell me why his legacy was increasing taxes and social spending?) that started this war on terror. Leftist love wars like this as it gives them every excuse they need to tax the hell out of us and build up government controls and the police state. Open your eyes.
With a heartfelt thank you to our great military for their tremendous sacrifices in life and limb, I just can't find it in me to support and perpetuate the political lie that we achieved a resounding win nor that every life lost there directly protected the safety and freedom of the American homeland.
One of our local female National Guardsmen returned from Afghanistan this fall. She acted as some sort of liaison to women in Afghanistan.
She says screw the women of Afghanistan. She found them to be just as bad and in many cases even worse than the men. She said they talked friendly to her face than immediately ran to the taliban with intelligence about the infidels and their whores. She said those wonderful mothers knowingly send their children into heavily mined areas while standing at the sidelines.
” Leftist love wars like this as it gives them every excuse they need to tax the hell out of us and build up government controls and the police state.”
Why then did Obama, as you put it, pull out?
You sound just like the leftists. They say right-wingers, you say leftists, but the thought process and ideals are the exact same.
It's all about perspective. Obama and the left see the exact same results, but reverse the polarity.
Obama appears determined to clear the military of these "subversives" one way or another, whether through throwing away hard-won victories in front of the eyes of loyal, battle-hardened veterans, pitching their absentee ballots into the trash, or through converting the entire structure into a jobs program for unemployed transgender theater majors who can manage at least one pull-up per week.
Should have just nuked the poppy fields.
Disagree. Things went wrong when we moved beyond the punitive expedition and into nation building.
caww made one of the best statements I’ve seen on Free Republic in months the other day:
“The major lesson of the Iraq war is our country and leadership cannot foresee the consequences of any war with the middle east countries with sufficient accuracy to be attempting to micromanage the geopolitics of those countries.”
I guess technically you might say the Iraq occupation, but you get the idea.
Dude, I spent 3 1/2 years there and travelled all over and can assure you our effort “directly protected the safety and freedom of the American homeland.”
Besides killing and helping Iraqis kill thousands of international jihadis (Syrians, Saudis, Sudanese, Yeminis, Albanians, Iranians, etc.) we, more importantly, held up American honor for the 9/11 attacks. To strike back when attacked is a very strong message in Islam.
Our efforts in Iraq will spare us innumerable attacks in the future and makes it clear to the world we sided with theh values of national self-determination and representative governance against Islamic terrorism -which is their antithesis. And we came to them and did it in their front yard. This will not be forgotten -except in the West.
The only solution this girl saw was one that no one will ever do. She said the only thing that would save Afghanistan is killing everyone over 10 years old and the 10 year olds are kind of iffy.
When she left she was all idealistic about saving the women of Afghanistan. Now she says, “I was an idiot”.
Well done and well put!
Better be broke than DEAD! The article, as much as I appreciated it missed something just as important. We also sent a message to our more powerful enemies that there will be a heavy price to pay if you wage war against our us. Forget about using 9/11 as a precedent. It must never happen again or we will bring down the full wrath of U.S. military power on your ass!
We are losing Iraq now because the current administration dropped the ball.
our us = us
That might be a good idea. When the Mongols--who might arguably be considered Chinese--took over the country in 1258, they implemented a program of urban renewal and population management.
Change "Al Qaida" to "Vietnamese Communists" and you've got the people.
Insert "Marxist Traitorous Liberals" to "Marxist Traitorous Liberals" and you've got the culprits.
Been there, done that, seen that. This is nothing new and Lonsberry's NCO friend feels exactly as I felt 38 years ago.
Whether we have bought another "decade of security" is quite another question, though. If that might be the case, we'd better find and elect another Reagan, fast!
I would give my life and soul to defend this great country. It is true our taxes are unfortunately wasted on useless programs but I have no problem using our tax money for defense of this country.
I am sorry you feel different but you have that right and we have paid in blood and $ for you to have this freedom of expression.
You’re a progressive coward is what you are.
You’re cowering in fear of people thousands of miles away and wanting to take taxpayer money and send someone else to go deal with the source of your fear.
If you really cared about America you would be screaming for border control and an end to our suicidal immigration policies. Unfortunately your kind generally supports amnesty as well.
How long before our billion-dollar embassy in Bagdad will need to be abandoned?
Your friend must be crestfallen about what is happening in the US considering how Islam is received with open arms by government and spreading unchecked in the country while Christianity is being suppressed.
I know, he did not fight Islam but mainly Al-Qaeda — at least, that’s the theory.
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