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India Minister Warns Of "The Return Of The Ugly American"
ZeroHedge ^ | 1/7/2014 | Shashi Tharoor

Posted on 01/07/2014 9:09:39 AM PST by mojito

Nearly a month after American authorities arrested India’s deputy consul general in New York, Devyani Khobragade, outside her children’s school and charged her with paying her Indian domestic worker a salary below the minimum wage, bilateral relations remain tense. India’s government has reacted with fury to the mistreatment of an official enjoying diplomatic immunity, and public indignation has been widespread and nearly unanimous. So, has an era of steadily improving ties between the two countries come to an end?

Judging from Indian leaders’ statements, it would certainly seem so. India’s mild-mannered Prime Minister Manmohan Singh declared that Khobragade’s treatment was “deplorable.” National Security Adviser Shivshankar Menon called her arrest “despicable” and “barbaric,” and Foreign Minister Salman Khurshid refused to take a conciliatory phone call from US Secretary of State John Kerry.

Emotions have run high in India’s Parliament and on television talk shows as well. Writing to her diplomatic colleagues after her arrest, Khobragade, who has denied the charges against her, noted that she “broke down many times,” owing to “the indignities of repeated handcuffing, stripping, and cavity searches, swabbing,” and to being held “with common criminals and drug addicts.” A former Indian foreign minister, Yashwant Sinha, has publicly called for retaliation against gay American diplomats in India, whose sexual orientation and domestic arrangements are now illegal after a recent Supreme Court ruling. The government has not taken him seriously, but his suggestion indicates how inflamed passions have become.

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TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Editorial; Foreign Affairs; US: New York
KEYWORDS: devyanikhobragade; india
Shashi Tharoor is India's Minister of State for Human Resource Development.

Not sure what to make of this incident, except that the Indian government and population are furious.

Is 0bama trying to sabotage relations with another vital ally? The thought has certainly crossed my mind.

1 posted on 01/07/2014 9:09:39 AM PST by mojito
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To: mojito

The US Attorney in New York was born in INDIA.

Many Indian immigrants have a strong dislike for India and the culture of the subcontinent.


2 posted on 01/07/2014 9:11:46 AM PST by MadIsh32 (In order to be pro-market, sometimes you must be anti-big business)
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To: mojito
Some background in the WaPo:

http://www.washingtonpost.com/world/national-security/devyani-khobragade-agrees-to-waive-indictment-deadline/2014/01/06/419effe6-770a-11e3-8963-b4b654bcc9b2_story.html

The alleged strip-search video is apparently a hoax:

http://articles.timesofindia.indiatimes.com/2014-01-05/india/45882000_1_video-clip-fabrication-state-department

3 posted on 01/07/2014 9:11:56 AM PST by mojito (Zero, our Nero.)
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To: mojito

The Indian people are normally measured and conservative. To hear this sort of commentary out of India is troubling to say the least.


4 posted on 01/07/2014 9:12:18 AM PST by rarestia (It's time to water the Tree of Liberty.)
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To: mojito

don’t get this. thought diplomatic immunity would cover this, seems to cover everything else.


5 posted on 01/07/2014 9:12:30 AM PST by 12th_Monkey (In an alternate universe Obama still dips ice cream)
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To: MadIsh32

He is indeed.

Some background here:

http://www.ndtv.com/article/india/devyani-khobragade-case-us-prosecutor-preet-bharara-opposes-indictment-deadline-extension-plea-467894


6 posted on 01/07/2014 9:14:21 AM PST by mojito (Zero, our Nero.)
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To: mojito

Of course (Democrat-run) America is ugly.

B*tt ugly.

MSNBC ugly.

Obamadork ugly.

We need an ugly-excision.

Stat.

As for New York...you ain’t seen really ugly yet.


7 posted on 01/07/2014 9:15:44 AM PST by Da Coyote
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To: mojito
please forgive me but on reading somethomg to the affect that the ugly american was returning to India ..I just couldnt help thinking of this guy


8 posted on 01/07/2014 9:15:45 AM PST by MeshugeMikey ( a Safe..and Sane....2014 To All!)
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To: mojito

When you listen to pissant types like Carney, and the way we’ve treated our allies during the past few years, it’s clear we’re a bunch jerks in the eyes of the world.

We have suitless incompetent at the helm who does nothing but campaign and play golf. Everything he does is political and with an eye on his poll numbers.

We have a long way to go. I look for this guy to be tested. China will continue to provoke its neighbors, Russia with poke us in the eye, and we’ll see the Iran betrayal within the next six months or so.

On the home front, more unraveling and discourse esp with Hillary entering her hat in the ring.


9 posted on 01/07/2014 9:17:20 AM PST by nikos1121
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To: 12th_Monkey
It is very peculiar. The Indian woman diplomat charged is very very pretty.

Could this be a case of a man rebuffed and deciding to bring retribution?

10 posted on 01/07/2014 9:17:24 AM PST by mojito (Zero, our Nero.)
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To: mojito

I disagree with the notion of the return of the ‘ugly’ American. With the NYPD as an example I would say that we are seeing the rise of the Dangerous American.


11 posted on 01/07/2014 9:18:47 AM PST by MeganC (Support Matt Bevin to oust Mitch McConnell! https://mattbevin.com/)
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To: MadIsh32

Was she in a different caste then his family? Could be why


12 posted on 01/07/2014 9:21:46 AM PST by driftdiver (I could eat it raw, but why do that when I have a fire.)
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To: mojito

Why should anyone believe anything claimed by the current adminstration? How many times does the dog have to bite? If I worked for State I’d make the same claim. “Nothing to see here folks. Just a simple misunderstanding and no harm occurred.”


13 posted on 01/07/2014 9:23:08 AM PST by Portcall24
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To: mojito
The alleged strip-search video is apparently a hoax:

http://articles.timesofindia.indiatimes.com/2014-01-05/india/45882000_1_video-clip-fabrication-state-department

Because we know the State Department ALWAYS tells the truth( *cough* *cough* Benghazi,/b>)

14 posted on 01/07/2014 9:23:45 AM PST by MeganC (Support Matt Bevin to oust Mitch McConnell! https://mattbevin.com/)
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To: mojito

15 posted on 01/07/2014 9:29:10 AM PST by diverteach (If I find liberals in heaven after my death.....I WILL BE PISSED!!!)
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To: mojito
Is 0bama trying to sabotage relations with another vital ally?

Yes, his strategy is counting on Indian authorities confusing the attitudes and actions of American government employees with those of American citizens civilians, and desires negative consequences on American citizen civilians outside the US for optics.

Dictators always create a threat to distract negative attention from themselves.

16 posted on 01/07/2014 9:34:47 AM PST by Navy Patriot (Join the Democrats, it's not Fascism when WE do it, and the Constitution and law mean what WE say.)
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To: mojito

“India’s Minister of State for Human Resource Development”

Yea, and here in the US we have HR departments ramming diversity down our throats. Apparently they don’t do that in India.


17 posted on 01/07/2014 9:36:02 AM PST by caver (Obama: Home of the Whopper)
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To: mojito

Yes, she is indeed HOT


18 posted on 01/07/2014 9:36:08 AM PST by 12th_Monkey (In an alternate universe Obama still dips ice cream)
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To: mojito

IF this story is as reported, somebody screwed up a lot.

This would be somewhat understandable had it occurred with local law enforcement in Podunk.

But US State Department Diplomatic Security Service agents really ought to be up on this stuff.


19 posted on 01/07/2014 9:37:35 AM PST by Sherman Logan
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To: mojito
"A former Indian foreign minister, Yashwant Sinha, has publicly called for retaliation against gay American diplomats in India, whose sexual orientation and domestic arrangements are now illegal after a recent Supreme Court ruling. The government has not taken him seriously, but his suggestion indicates how inflamed passions have become."

While Obama is undoubtedly happy that there are problems with the US India relationship, this strategy would cause him heartburn. The US official policy of aiding and spreading the homosexual lifestyle around the world in contravention to local laws and mores needs a forceful push back.

20 posted on 01/07/2014 9:38:09 AM PST by Truth29
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To: mojito

Teach us a lesson and take back all your crap quality software “engineers” so Americans can have the jobs.


21 posted on 01/07/2014 9:47:57 AM PST by TheRhinelander
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To: Sherman Logan
IF this story is as reported, somebody screwed up a lot.

If grown-ups were in charge at the State and Justice Departments, the diplomat and her maid would have been quietly asked to leave the country if there had been serious irregularities, and that would have been that. Never forget that 0bama was best boyhood buddies with Pakistanis. I'm thinking Lord Zero is not letting a crisis go to waste here, and deliberately letting this situation go on and on, and so cause maximum damage to US-India relations.

22 posted on 01/07/2014 9:48:15 AM PST by mojito (Zero, our Nero.)
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To: diverteach

Ahhhhhhhgggg.

Good grief, man!

What’d you have to go and do THAT for?


23 posted on 01/07/2014 10:37:18 AM PST by WayneS (Respect the 2nd Amendment; Repeal the 16th (and 17th))
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To: mojito

The animals who arrested and then digitally raped this woman guywith their fingers should be shot and their handlers imprisoned.


24 posted on 01/07/2014 10:40:32 AM PST by Vendome (Don't take life so seriously-you won't live through it anyway-Enjoy Yourself ala Louis Prima)
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To: mojito

The Indians just found out the USA is now a police state.


25 posted on 01/07/2014 10:44:58 AM PST by Georgia Girl 2 (The only purpose of a pistol is to fight your way back to the rifle you should never have dropped.)
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To: mojito

I’ve wondered about this story on at least two related fronts:

1. Is it typical to arrest, and to jail pretrial (rather than to release on O.R. or a small bond), ANYone suspected of underpaying employees? That sounds like a civil and/or regulatory matter, not a criminal one, at least not unless the alleged abuses are far more severe than underpayment. (This question is without regard to the foreign/ diplomatic status of the defendant.)

2. I thought any credentialed diplomat was diplomatically immune from prosecution, including arrest, period. All the host nation can do (I thought, apparently incorrectly?) is to declare the diplomat Persona Non Grata and give him/her 72 hours or so to GTFO.


26 posted on 01/07/2014 11:09:27 AM PST by pogo101
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To: mojito
That must mean SecState John F’ing Kerry is coming to visit India to spread the Obama charm to the subcontinent.
27 posted on 01/07/2014 11:27:23 AM PST by MasterGunner01
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To: mojito
"Is 0bama trying to sabotage relations with another vital ally?

The only explaination that makes sense.

28 posted on 01/07/2014 11:29:35 AM PST by Pecos (The Chicago Way: Kill the Constitution, one step at a time.)
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To: driftdiver

No, it is because Indian culture sucks and those of us lucky enough to live in America and away from that culture can’t stand it :)


29 posted on 01/07/2014 11:44:17 AM PST by MadIsh32 (In order to be pro-market, sometimes you must be anti-big business)
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To: mojito
Most of us know Americanized Indians and not very high-caste, very Indian, very Hindu Indians.

Hello hath no fury if you try to get between a Brahmin Princess and her royal privileges.

30 posted on 01/07/2014 11:44:24 AM PST by Mamzelle
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To: pogo101
Supposedly, the diplomat filed out some immigration forms either incorrectly or deliberately falsifying them. At least that's what the US Prosecutors Office is saying. Still, incorrect form filling out doesn't normally lead to criminal indictment.

And the State Department is saying that the woman wasn't high-ranking enough to have diplomatic immunity, even though India grants immunity to US diplomats of the same rank.

31 posted on 01/07/2014 11:53:24 AM PST by mojito (Zero, our Nero.)
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To: mojito
Is 0bama trying to sabotage relations with another vital ally? The thought has certainly crossed my mind.

Yours and thousands more.....the person who immediately came to mind when readomg the words, The Ugly American, was Debbie Wasserman Schultz described as an American Politician....she is anything but honorable or patriotic, politicians should be at least part of those attributes, WassermanSchultz fails miserably in fact she gives new meaning to Ugly American ...

32 posted on 01/07/2014 12:40:08 PM PST by yoe
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To: MasterGunner01
That must mean SecState John F’ing Kerry is coming to visit India to spread the Obama charm to the subcontinent.

Hmmm, he could be advancing a visit/humiliation by Obama hisseff. Such as bumbling and stumbling through his toasts, spilling his drink on the host Head of State, gifting him/her with a Motown DVD and/or a collection of Barky's Best Teleprompted Speeches, and then maybe bowing to the Pakistani ambassador. Like that, maybe.

33 posted on 01/07/2014 3:44:35 PM PST by lentulusgracchus
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To: Mamzelle

“Hello hath no fury if you try to get between a Brahmin Princess and her royal privileges. “

Actually she is from the untouchable(lowest) caste, but let’s not get the facts in the way of the narrative.


34 posted on 01/08/2014 10:58:23 AM PST by sagar
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To: sagar

So Dalits are now diplomats?


35 posted on 01/08/2014 7:27:52 PM PST by Mamzelle
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To: Mamzelle
So Dalits are now diplomats?

Yes there are Dalits who are diplomats. The Indian constitution was written by one such dalit. The Indian PM is not even a brahmin, but a Sikh. They've even had a christian defense minister a few years ago, the current one is atheist. India has also had a muslim president... etc etc etc The political landscape in India is actually very very diverse.

36 posted on 01/08/2014 9:51:50 PM PST by coldphoenix
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To: Mamzelle

“So Dalits are now diplomats?”

A dalit became president in 1997. And the largest Indian State is ruled by dalits. Diplomats are small potatoes.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reserved_political_positions_in_India#Scheduled_Castes_and_tribes


37 posted on 01/09/2014 9:22:36 AM PST by sagar
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To: sagar
I have seen how dalits are treated by Indians who take caste seriously, and frankly I do not credit your defense.

Now, the Indians who are Americanized are quite a different matter. I know many who have achieved greatly…mostly by abandoning such caste consciousness and embracing small-d democracy. I also have had some close encounters with Brahmin princesses and don not care to repeat the experience.

38 posted on 01/09/2014 8:13:16 PM PST by Mamzelle
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To: Mamzelle

I’m sorry to hear about your traumatic experience. Regardless, the princess turned out to be a dalit, not a brahmin.


39 posted on 01/09/2014 10:13:42 PM PST by sagar
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To: 12th_Monkey
don’t get this. thought diplomatic immunity would cover this, seems to cover everything else.

It did.

The federal prosecutor and the State Department mucked up royally.

As I read it, India is due one of Obumma's bow & scrapes, plus an apology.

40 posted on 01/09/2014 10:22:01 PM PST by okie01 (The Mainstream Media -- IGNORANCE ON PARADE)
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To: okie01

from mr perfect??


41 posted on 01/09/2014 10:27:42 PM PST by 12th_Monkey (In an alternate universe Obama still dips ice cream)
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To: 12th_Monkey
That's the guy.

I don't believe you can blame this on him. But it was his federal prosecutor that laid a petty charge on the consul and mishandled her. And it was his State Department that totally misread her status and approved the prosecutor's actions.

In that sense, he's responsible. And India should legitimately expect an apology from a high official.

Kerry's not very good at this sort of thing. While Obama has it down to an art.

42 posted on 01/09/2014 10:34:51 PM PST by okie01 (The Mainstream Media -- IGNORANCE ON PARADE)
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To: Mamzelle

Unfortunately what you say is quite true. (Am from India myself). The educated lot who have seen more of the world are not so bad. But yea, your point is valid esp among the very orthodox.


43 posted on 01/09/2014 10:49:15 PM PST by coldphoenix
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To: coldphoenix
These Brahmins (although they don't like the word…they want to tell me all about the sub-castes and regional sub-sub-castes) quite rationally do not want to give up the perquisites of pseudo-royalty. I guess if I had been born a princess I wouldn't want to give up the tiara. But they also won't serve anyone a cup of coffee or even pass the salt. And I'm not impressed with what passes for Hindu "charity"--no one poor ever gets help. But the temple Brahmins do get to collect sacrifices. Like many things, the more you know, the less you like.

Most of the Indians you and I know are high-caste who have cast off the trappings of privilege to live a Western life. But there remain a few who never assimilate, who really despise the "foreign" untouchable while bitterly envying the white skin of many Americans. Yeah, there's a racism to the caste system which can really surprise!!

44 posted on 01/10/2014 3:18:35 AM PST by Mamzelle
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