Skip to comments.Jahi McMath: Family says brain-dead teen's body may be too deteriorated to save
Posted on 01/07/2014 9:43:49 AM PST by Drew68
A day after winning the three-week battle to take their brain-dead daughter from Children's Hospital Oakland, the family of Jahi McMath conceded Monday they are losing the ghastly war against nature.
Her body, checked in at an undisclosed care facility Monday morning, has deteriorated so badly, that "Right now, we don't know if she's going to make it," said attorney Christopher Dolan.
"She's in very bad shape," he said. "What I can tell you is that those examinations show that her medical condition, separate from the brain issue, is not good."
Dolan's frank and sober assessment echoes a Friday legal declaration by Children's Hospital Oakland critical care pediatrician Dr. Heidi R. Flori, who opposed surgical insertion of a feeding tube because the girl's body was deteriorating.
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It’s been suggested that her family indulged her want of food even though she was not supposed to eat anything, therefore causing the bleeding problem that led to her death.
The mother said that even if an outside doctor says she is brain dead, they will not stop trying to “save” her. They are either delusional, in denial, ignorant or greedy (or a combination of same).
Supposedly, the family has not given the hospital permission to speak. It appears HIPAA continues after death. Therefore, we get the self-serving statements of their shyster lawyer and the family versus mostly silence from the hospital.
Health Information of Deceased Individuals
45 CFR 160.103, paragraph (2)(iv) of the definition of protected health information
The HIPAA Privacy Rule protects the individually identifiable health information about a decedent for 50 years following the date of death of the individual
“...enormous differences between coma, persistent vegetative state, and brain death.”
Good point. Even with all the medical people in my immediate and extended family, I hadn’t even thought about it in those terms.
She came to in recovery, asked for a popsicle. Soon, she started to bleed from the mouth. The grandmother, a nurse, demanded a suction tube for the blood to be suctioned out of her mouth. She should never have been talking, asking for a popsicle, etc.. If that process was initiated by the mother, there are troubles afoot.
This means they will dialing the lawyers right after they bury her.
You are correct. The surgery it's self was for sleep apnea, not for tonsil infection. The only source for information of infection so far is Dolan.
Typically, bedridden, immobile patients that have endured severe stress occurrence are prone to infection, but there is no released confirmation, that I can find, in this case, at this time.
Yep, see my #48.
Jahi McMath's situation is radically different from that of Terri Schiavo. Mrs. Schiavo was an otherwise-healthy woman with all systems working just fine, except for her severe brain injury which apparently shut down her cognitive capacities. She was not "brain-dead" nor even dying, not in pain, able to breathe and maintain homeostasis on her own. She was deprived of food/water in order to kill her--- and that was murder most intentional.
In Jahi's case, she suffered cardiac arrest and total, irreversible death of the entire brain, including brain stem, weeks ago. There has no been any blood circulation to the brain or any electrical activity in the brain for weeks. They are simply ventilating a corpse.
This is the unanimous finding of the hospital doctors, and the outside doctors who were chosen and brought in at the parents' request.
Her parents need to remove the tubes and wires and give their much-loved daughter's mortal remains a respectful, prayerful interment.
from the looks of things she wasn’t in god shape to begin with, starving her only accelerated the wasting away..
I cannot imagine having to pull the plug on one of my children, but Jahi died 27 days ago. It’s unfortunate that her parents refused to accept it at the time.
We all know that doctor’s bury their mistakes. An autopsy would have revealed why she died, and more importantly negligence, if there was any.
Her soul entered Heaven 28 days ago.
No one has ever recovered from clinical brain (cerebellum or brain stem) death. No one in modern medical history that is. Lazarus and Jesus are are two historical examples that we know of, however.
Here you go. This needs to be read by everyone before commenting on this case. She has been diagnosed a half dozen times, 3 by the hospital, 1 by an independent doctor, 1 by a doctor recommended by the family's attorney, and someone else.
She is brain dead. Her brain at this point is liquified and either draining out her nose, or is a large watery cyst. Her organs are decomposing. Her eyeballs look like raisins and the interior of her mucous linings are crawling with bacterial decomposition and stench.
The saddest part of this case is that she could have saved a half dozen or more people with her organs, her skin, her cornea, hair, cartilige, bone marrow, etc. had the family listened to the hospital. Now, from what I understand, she may be too far gone to even embalm (Freeper morticians and/or Army 92M can correct me on that statement).
One blessing in this case is that my wife and I, and our clients have been reviewing their family estate trusts to make sure that everyone's wishes are known if the unthinkable happen. On a personal level, if my brother, my uncle, and another doctor come to the same medical conclusion, immediately prep my body for organ donation so that my last act will be giving something to someone who needs it.
Goodness gracious! Those posters on the back wall are Soviet era propoganda prop look-alikes!
“There is also no definitive declaration that there is an infection.”
I think an infection starts after a period on that machine. My husband was put on one and he had no infection at the time (he had cancer). After being on the machine a few days, he developed an infection and we had to wear gowns and masks to go in the room from then on. He was not dead at the time he was put on the machine and not dead when they took it off.
The article explains why this happens:
"You're applying abnormal pressure to keep the lungs open and functioning, which creates small tears in the lining of the air sacs and bronchial tree, opening up the possibility of infection."
Thanks, there are various stages (depths?) of coma, PVS and brain death.
The problem is that to the average person they look very much alike.
However, people who have been in comas, sometimes for years, wake up all the time. Even from PVS.
AFAIK, nobody has ever recovered from true brain death.
Again, from the article:
One is the trauma of the initial injury, called a "sympathetic storm," which triggers a massive stress response -- flooding the bloodstream with chemicals and likely damaging the hypothalamus, a small area at the top of the brain stem that regulates body temperature, appetite and the release of many important hormones. The other is the cascade of later complications, like when a computer crashes. Cellular metabolism goes haywire. So do cardiac and lung function. There is often severe hypertension and imbalances of important regulatory hormones... ...Every cell in the body is programmed to die..."
here are two major ways that Jahi's brain death -- likely caused by catastrophic bleeding, brain swelling and heart attack, based on family reports -- damages the organs, according to Slatkin and other physicians.
One is the trauma of the initial injury, called a "sympathetic storm," which triggers a massive stress response -- flooding the bloodstream with chemicals and likely damaging the hypothalamus, a small area at the top of the brain stem that regulates body temperature, appetite and the release of many important hormones.
The other is the cascade of later complications, like when a computer crashes. Cellular metabolism goes haywire. So do cardiac and lung function. There is often severe hypertension and imbalances of important regulatory hormones...
...Every cell in the body is programmed to die..."
It was also suggested that another parent in the ICU saw the mother give her a cheeseburger while making her talk and laugh. Also the grandmother took it upon herself to start suctioning the blood.