Skip to comments.BREAK UP: Will California splinter into 6 states? Voters, Congress could soon decide
Posted on 01/07/2014 12:42:38 PM PST by Baynative
Theres nothing like a guy with a few million bucks to lend instant credibility to a previously penny-ante movement to split up the state of California.
Venture capitalist Tim Draper of Silicon Valley has filed paperwork for a November ballot measure that would divide California into six states, calling the Golden State as presently constituted too big and bloated.
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Two would be good.
Let the coastal counties go — from LA to the Oregon border.
Hope not, then that would create at least 10 new liberal senators.
Any guesses on how many are solid blue? I’d say 4 of 6.
A Democrat delight for the Senate.
ONLY if Dems are guaranteed ten more senators for life like DiFi.
The rest of the country has been saying for YEARS now that Texas’ provision to split into 5 states for more representation in Congress is “null and void” and nothing to pursue.
Of course the West and East Coasts should monopolize the agenda in DC. What could go wrong?
Initiatives like this are just plain depressing. They never go anywhere.
Why can’t we divide the entire country into Red America and Blue city states known as ‘pits of squalor’. The libs can have their ‘diversity, multiculturalism, sexual revolution, wealth redistribution’ paradise, and the rest of us can just be normal.
RINO is no better than a Dem. My point is, no conservatism will come out of that split.
You are correct.
I lived in California for many years, and vast areas of the state are rather conservative.
The big population centers.....primarily Los Angeles and San Francisco....screw up the national and statewide elections.
/sarc, in case it's needed
The only way to make this to work for us would be to split Lassen and Modoc counties into five states and let the rest of California remain California.
That would provide ten additional GOP Senators.
Remember he wasn't allowed to go to Alaska or Hawaii and he still had one other state to visit !
What will they name them?
I’d like to suggest, from north to south:
That might actually be a good thing for Conservatives. Most people don’t realize that California has some very strong conservative regions. However, these regions are gerrymandered to assure a liberal will be elected.
crap!! yep. California and it’s head up the @$$ liberal politics just about swings the elections in favor of the left.
Six new Liberal Senators, maybe, but the remainder would almost certainly reflect the much more conservative values of the “red” parts of California.
Splitting California roughly along the San Andreas Fault may be a more rational way to divide that tormented land. Of course, a fairly wide buffer zone would have to be established as well, to be sure San Francisco would not be accidentally included in part of the “northeastern” section.
Sorry, that was only five.
How about “North Mexico” for the sixth offshoot state?
I’m sure the liberal power structure would gerrymander the new states along liberal lines.
2012 Presidential Election, non-Hispanic White Voters:
Romney - 54%
Obama - 44%
However, in 2012, non-Hispanic whites were just 39% of California's population.
If this happens in a hurry, it is because they want to make 12 democrat senators instead of 2, and they figured out a way to ‘gerrymander’ new state borders.
Agreed - 25-to-30 years ago, such a break-up might actually be feasible.... but given today’s electronic age... wow, this would make the Y2K changes look like trivial.
Every Commercial website on earth would have to be changed, every address in the several states, area codes would have to be adjusted and added. Never mind the new governmental infrastructures required, news laws passed; obsolete ones removed; it would be crazy. Some of it could be done incrementally, but it would be an enormous and costly task.
I wish ILL-ANNOY would break up into at least 2 states. The non-Rahmabad area would thrive if the Republicans figured out how to lead using conservative principles.
You would have to slice very carefully.
Didn’t Feinstein pull 63% last time?
That’s a solid majority of Dems statewide.
RE: “Most people dont realize that California has some very strong conservative regions.”
See my statistical Comment #23.
Yep! Both of us voted for Romney!
One benefit of it is... there would go the rock-solid guarantee of 55 EVs to the democrats every single Presidential election. Two or three of those new states would likely swing red.
You point out the biggest problem we face in the US as a whole. California has always been a trendsetter.
The demographic tide is heavily against us.
Non-white Americans are strongly Democrat.
The thing is, they have to put the new state capitals somewhere, and the towns where they do and the counties that they're in (and maybe the adjoining counties) automatically and magically become very very pro-big government.
Given the great egos of San Franciscans, I also can't see them ever ending up at the tail end of somebody else's state, like an afterthought. Or Los Angeles somehow becoming "West California" for that matter (though the names of the new states aren't set in stone yet).
The key here will probably be to do what Alaska and Hawaii did to get statehood: partner up liberal and conservative areas. Believe it or not, Hawaii was the gop state and Alaska was the ‘rat state. They partnered to get around the realpolitik issue of changing the composition of the Senate.
California, and many other states are far too large to have their populations fairly represented at the Federal level (even at the State level, in some instances). Here in Ohio, a three state model would work well, too.
California? Likely at least three, maybe four, states. Six might be on the high side, but it should be up to the folks in the current state to decide.
A grand idea, all in all.
Yes with CA+IL+NY the Dems start the race to 270 with 104 already in the bag. A big lead that requires no effort.
I think something like that is inevitable. There’s too many deep divisions between the political sides of the spectrum to fix. The left is too entrenched to be outed fully, so conservatives will have to form their own areas.
“The thing is, they have to put the new state capitals somewhere, and the towns where they do and the counties that they’re in (and maybe the adjoining counties) automatically and magically become very very pro-big government.”
Why do you need a capitol? Keep in mind that no new state has happened since 1959: well before the advent of the internet. Why not just do it electronically and skip the added infrastructure?
Come to think of it, perhaps one or more of the existing states should go to an electronic model.
Not all 6 would be liberal. Depending on how they split it up, it could mean about 4-6 new Rats and 2-4 new Pubs.
if gerrymandering doesn’t come into play.
If the Washington Times keeps up promoting nulification and separation they’ll soon become irrelevant. And their writers dismissed as “conservative” nutcases.
That would add 10 EC votes to the total and not all an automatic 55 to the Rats.
We’re getting closer to Obama’s estimate of 57 states.
Tehama, Shasta, Trinity, Plumas, Placer, Butte and Siskiyou counties would be right in there with Modoc and Lassen counties. There is much more Timber revenue in those counties than anywhere else in this state.
Factor in the fact that a very large part of the water used by the northern cities originates in the north state. All that is left to do is to figure out how much we can charge per drop.
All of the north state counties are solid red with the exception of Eureka. If we had a state of Jefferson that included all counties north of Sacramento it would be a deep red state. With our natural resources, agriculture, timber and mining industries, mountain recreation, and without the high unemployment and negative social issues of the big cities, we would be in great financial shape.
I guess you all know what I want for my birthday and Christmas.
Most of my family lives in Butte County. Am I correct in that they would fall within the prospective state of Jefferson?
It won’t happen. I was born and raised out there. Originally there have been plans to divide the state at the Tehacchappi Mountians. Heck, gang bangers already do this with “norte” and “sud” and you better not get caught in wrong territory.
So my money is on it not happening.
BTW I would not move back there regardless of what they decide to do.
Trust me - if it’s coming from a VC, it’s hyperRat all the way, no matter what it seems to look like.