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BREAK UP: Will California splinter into 6 states? Voters, Congress could soon decide
WATimes ^ | 1/6/14 | Valerie Richardson

Posted on 01/07/2014 12:42:38 PM PST by Baynative

There’s nothing like a guy with a few million bucks to lend instant credibility to a previously penny-ante movement to split up the state of California.

Venture capitalist Tim Draper of Silicon Valley has filed paperwork for a November ballot measure that would divide California into six states, calling the Golden State as presently constituted “too big and bloated.”

(Excerpt) Read more at washingtontimes.com ...


TOPICS: Culture/Society; Extended News; Government; Politics/Elections; US: California
KEYWORDS: california; secessionlist; split
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I don't know how the six state idea came about, but if they could succeed in the State of Jefferson concept, I'd be ready to move back and get closer to my grandkids.
1 posted on 01/07/2014 12:42:38 PM PST by Baynative
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To: Baynative

Two would be good.

Let the coastal counties go — from LA to the Oregon border.


2 posted on 01/07/2014 12:43:47 PM PST by BenLurkin (This is not a statement of fact. It is either opinion or satire; or both.)
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To: Baynative

Hope not, then that would create at least 10 new liberal senators.


3 posted on 01/07/2014 12:44:20 PM PST by 12th_Monkey (In an alternate universe Obama still dips ice cream)
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To: Baynative

Any guesses on how many are solid blue? I’d say 4 of 6.
A Democrat delight for the Senate.


4 posted on 01/07/2014 12:44:50 PM PST by nascarnation (I'm hiring Jack Palladino to investigate Baraq's golf scores.)
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To: Baynative

ONLY if Dems are guaranteed ten more senators for life like DiFi.


5 posted on 01/07/2014 12:46:11 PM PST by Buckeye Battle Cry (Audentis Fortuna Iuvat)
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To: 12th_Monkey
Hope not, then that would create at least 10 new liberal senators.

Not true, at least a couple of those states would be right of center, and Silicon Valley would probably alternate between RINO and Prog-Dem.
6 posted on 01/07/2014 12:47:04 PM PST by Dr. Sivana (Five years, my brain hurts a lot.)
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To: Baynative; GeronL

The rest of the country has been saying for YEARS now that Texas’ provision to split into 5 states for more representation in Congress is “null and void” and nothing to pursue.

Of course the West and East Coasts should monopolize the agenda in DC. What could go wrong?


7 posted on 01/07/2014 12:50:06 PM PST by a fool in paradise ("Health care is too important to be left to the government.")
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To: Baynative

Initiatives like this are just plain depressing. They never go anywhere.


8 posted on 01/07/2014 12:51:46 PM PST by who_would_fardels_bear
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To: Baynative

Why can’t we divide the entire country into Red America and Blue city states known as ‘pits of squalor’. The libs can have their ‘diversity, multiculturalism, sexual revolution, wealth redistribution’ paradise, and the rest of us can just be normal.


9 posted on 01/07/2014 12:53:26 PM PST by Viennacon
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To: Dr. Sivana

RINO is no better than a Dem. My point is, no conservatism will come out of that split.


10 posted on 01/07/2014 12:55:27 PM PST by 12th_Monkey (In an alternate universe Obama still dips ice cream)
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To: Dr. Sivana

You are correct.

I lived in California for many years, and vast areas of the state are rather conservative.

The big population centers.....primarily Los Angeles and San Francisco....screw up the national and statewide elections.


11 posted on 01/07/2014 12:55:59 PM PST by july4thfreedomfoundation (The Second Amendment makes all the other amendments possible)
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To: Viennacon
I want so badly for that to be true. They can proceed with creating their socialist paradise, and we can wallow in our unequal capitalist misery.

/sarc, in case it's needed

12 posted on 01/07/2014 12:56:16 PM PST by Hardastarboard (The question of our age is whether a majority of Americans can and will vote us all into slavery.)
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To: Baynative

The only way to make this to work for us would be to split Lassen and Modoc counties into five states and let the rest of California remain California.

That would provide ten additional GOP Senators.


13 posted on 01/07/2014 12:56:23 PM PST by Oliviaforever
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To: Baynative
That would give bambi his 57 states.
14 posted on 01/07/2014 12:56:34 PM PST by Battle Axe
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To: 12th_Monkey
RINO is no better than a Dem. My point is, no conservatism will come out of that split.

Don't forget the Electoral vote count.
15 posted on 01/07/2014 12:56:39 PM PST by Dr. Sivana (Five years, my brain hurts a lot.)
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To: Baynative
Well if you add 5 states that would be 57 that would be almost enough for helping Obama keep up with his Agenda of 60 states as he spoke of in this clip

Obama Claims He's Visited 57 States

Remember he wasn't allowed to go to Alaska or Hawaii and he still had one other state to visit !

16 posted on 01/07/2014 12:58:05 PM PST by ATOMIC_PUNK (I'm not afraid to say what i mean nor should you be afraid of what you know to be true !)
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To: Baynative

What will they name them?

I’d like to suggest, from north to south:

North California
New California
Fagaragua
North Liberaland
South Liberaland


17 posted on 01/07/2014 12:58:55 PM PST by WayneS (Respect the 2nd Amendment; Repeal the 16th (and 17th))
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To: Baynative

That might actually be a good thing for Conservatives. Most people don’t realize that California has some very strong conservative regions. However, these regions are gerrymandered to assure a liberal will be elected.


18 posted on 01/07/2014 12:59:20 PM PST by Son-Joshua (son-joshua)
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To: Dr. Sivana

crap!! yep. California and it’s head up the @$$ liberal politics just about swings the elections in favor of the left.


19 posted on 01/07/2014 12:59:32 PM PST by 12th_Monkey (In an alternate universe Obama still dips ice cream)
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To: 12th_Monkey

Six new Liberal Senators, maybe, but the remainder would almost certainly reflect the much more conservative values of the “red” parts of California.

Splitting California roughly along the San Andreas Fault may be a more rational way to divide that tormented land. Of course, a fairly wide buffer zone would have to be established as well, to be sure San Francisco would not be accidentally included in part of the “northeastern” section.


20 posted on 01/07/2014 12:59:59 PM PST by alloysteel (Those who deny natural climate change are forever doomed to stupidity. AGW is a LIE.)
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To: WayneS

Sorry, that was only five.

How about “North Mexico” for the sixth offshoot state?


21 posted on 01/07/2014 1:01:16 PM PST by WayneS (Respect the 2nd Amendment; Repeal the 16th (and 17th))
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To: alloysteel

I’m sure the liberal power structure would gerrymander the new states along liberal lines.


22 posted on 01/07/2014 1:01:57 PM PST by 12th_Monkey (In an alternate universe Obama still dips ice cream)
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To: Baynative
Here is a statistic about voting in California that completely shocked me.....

2012 Presidential Election, non-Hispanic White Voters:

Romney - 54%

Obama - 44%

However, in 2012, non-Hispanic whites were just 39% of California's population.

23 posted on 01/07/2014 1:01:58 PM PST by zeestephen
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To: Baynative

If this happens in a hurry, it is because they want to make 12 democrat senators instead of 2, and they figured out a way to ‘gerrymander’ new state borders.


24 posted on 01/07/2014 1:03:34 PM PST by Mr. K (If you like your constitution, you can keep it...Period.)
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To: who_would_fardels_bear

Agreed - 25-to-30 years ago, such a break-up might actually be feasible.... but given today’s electronic age... wow, this would make the Y2K changes look like trivial.

Every Commercial website on earth would have to be changed, every address in the several states, area codes would have to be adjusted and added. Never mind the new governmental infrastructures required, news laws passed; obsolete ones removed; it would be crazy. Some of it could be done incrementally, but it would be an enormous and costly task.


25 posted on 01/07/2014 1:04:39 PM PST by alancarp
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26 posted on 01/07/2014 1:05:03 PM PST by RKBA Democrat (Having some small say in who gets to hold the whip doesn't make you any less a slave.)
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To: Baynative

I wish ILL-ANNOY would break up into at least 2 states. The non-Rahmabad area would thrive if the Republicans figured out how to lead using conservative principles.


27 posted on 01/07/2014 1:05:54 PM PST by SERKIT ("Blazing Saddles" explains it all.......)
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To: Son-Joshua

You would have to slice very carefully.
Didn’t Feinstein pull 63% last time?
That’s a solid majority of Dems statewide.


28 posted on 01/07/2014 1:06:00 PM PST by nascarnation (I'm hiring Jack Palladino to investigate Baraq's golf scores.)
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To: Son-Joshua

RE: “Most people don’t realize that California has some very strong conservative regions.”

See my statistical Comment #23.


29 posted on 01/07/2014 1:06:30 PM PST by zeestephen
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To: zeestephen
2012 Presidential Election, non-Hispanic White Voters:

Yep! Both of us voted for Romney!

30 posted on 01/07/2014 1:09:11 PM PST by Nea Wood
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To: Baynative

One benefit of it is... there would go the rock-solid guarantee of 55 EVs to the democrats every single Presidential election. Two or three of those new states would likely swing red.


31 posted on 01/07/2014 1:09:53 PM PST by ScottinVA (Obama is so far in over his head, even his ears are beneath the water level.)
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To: zeestephen

You point out the biggest problem we face in the US as a whole. California has always been a trendsetter.

The demographic tide is heavily against us.

Non-white Americans are strongly Democrat.


32 posted on 01/07/2014 1:09:55 PM PST by nascarnation (I'm hiring Jack Palladino to investigate Baraq's golf scores.)
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To: Baynative
Interesting article along on the same topic.

"From Absaroka to Yazoo: The 124 United States That Could’ve Been"

http://andrewshears.com/2011/12/08/the-united-states-that-couldve-been/


33 posted on 01/07/2014 1:11:50 PM PST by VanDeKoik
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To: Baynative

The thing is, they have to put the new state capitals somewhere, and the towns where they do and the counties that they're in (and maybe the adjoining counties) automatically and magically become very very pro-big government.

Given the great egos of San Franciscans, I also can't see them ever ending up at the tail end of somebody else's state, like an afterthought. Or Los Angeles somehow becoming "West California" for that matter (though the names of the new states aren't set in stone yet).

34 posted on 01/07/2014 1:12:14 PM PST by x
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To: Baynative

The key here will probably be to do what Alaska and Hawaii did to get statehood: partner up liberal and conservative areas. Believe it or not, Hawaii was the gop state and Alaska was the ‘rat state. They partnered to get around the realpolitik issue of changing the composition of the Senate.


35 posted on 01/07/2014 1:12:46 PM PST by RKBA Democrat (Having some small say in who gets to hold the whip doesn't make you any less a slave.)
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To: Baynative

California, and many other states are far too large to have their populations fairly represented at the Federal level (even at the State level, in some instances). Here in Ohio, a three state model would work well, too.

California? Likely at least three, maybe four, states. Six might be on the high side, but it should be up to the folks in the current state to decide.

A grand idea, all in all.


36 posted on 01/07/2014 1:13:02 PM PST by PubliusMM (RKBA; a matter of fact, not opinion. 01-20-2016; I pray we make it that long.)
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To: ScottinVA

Yes with CA+IL+NY the Dems start the race to 270 with 104 already in the bag. A big lead that requires no effort.


37 posted on 01/07/2014 1:14:16 PM PST by nascarnation (I'm hiring Jack Palladino to investigate Baraq's golf scores.)
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To: Viennacon

I think something like that is inevitable. There’s too many deep divisions between the political sides of the spectrum to fix. The left is too entrenched to be outed fully, so conservatives will have to form their own areas.


38 posted on 01/07/2014 1:15:03 PM PST by Bulwyf
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To: Baynative
It will in a few million years...


39 posted on 01/07/2014 1:22:33 PM PST by ETL (ALL (most?) of the Obama-commie connections at my FR Home page: http://www.freerepublic.com/~etl/)
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To: x

“The thing is, they have to put the new state capitals somewhere, and the towns where they do and the counties that they’re in (and maybe the adjoining counties) automatically and magically become very very pro-big government.”

Why do you need a capitol? Keep in mind that no new state has happened since 1959: well before the advent of the internet. Why not just do it electronically and skip the added infrastructure?

Come to think of it, perhaps one or more of the existing states should go to an electronic model.


40 posted on 01/07/2014 1:23:37 PM PST by RKBA Democrat (Having some small say in who gets to hold the whip doesn't make you any less a slave.)
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To: 12th_Monkey

Not all 6 would be liberal. Depending on how they split it up, it could mean about 4-6 new Rats and 2-4 new Pubs.


41 posted on 01/07/2014 1:25:39 PM PST by Blood of Tyrants (The War on Drugs has been used as an excuse to steal your rights. Support an end to the WOD now.)
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To: Blood of Tyrants

if gerrymandering doesn’t come into play.


42 posted on 01/07/2014 1:26:53 PM PST by 12th_Monkey (In an alternate universe Obama still dips ice cream)
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To: Baynative

If the Washington Times keeps up promoting nulification and separation they’ll soon become irrelevant. And their writers dismissed as “conservative” nutcases.


43 posted on 01/07/2014 1:27:39 PM PST by mosesdapoet (Serious contribution pause.Please continue onto meaningless venting no one reads.)
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To: Dr. Sivana

That would add 10 EC votes to the total and not all an automatic 55 to the Rats.


44 posted on 01/07/2014 1:27:57 PM PST by Blood of Tyrants (The War on Drugs has been used as an excuse to steal your rights. Support an end to the WOD now.)
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To: Baynative

We’re getting closer to Obama’s estimate of 57 states.


45 posted on 01/07/2014 1:28:38 PM PST by manic4organic (It was nice knowing you, America.)
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To: Oliviaforever
"The only way to make this to work for us would be to split Lassen and Modoc counties into five states and let the rest of California remain California."

Tehama, Shasta, Trinity, Plumas, Placer, Butte and Siskiyou counties would be right in there with Modoc and Lassen counties. There is much more Timber revenue in those counties than anywhere else in this state.

Factor in the fact that a very large part of the water used by the northern cities originates in the north state. All that is left to do is to figure out how much we can charge per drop.

All of the north state counties are solid red with the exception of Eureka. If we had a state of Jefferson that included all counties north of Sacramento it would be a deep red state. With our natural resources, agriculture, timber and mining industries, mountain recreation, and without the high unemployment and negative social issues of the big cities, we would be in great financial shape.

I guess you all know what I want for my birthday and Christmas.

46 posted on 01/07/2014 1:30:12 PM PST by oldenuff2no ( .)
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To: Baynative

Most of my family lives in Butte County. Am I correct in that they would fall within the prospective state of Jefferson?


47 posted on 01/07/2014 1:30:23 PM PST by kimoajax (Rack'em & Stack'em)
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To: Baynative

48 posted on 01/07/2014 1:33:18 PM PST by ETL (ALL (most?) of the Obama-commie connections at my FR Home page: http://www.freerepublic.com/~etl/)
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To: Baynative

It won’t happen. I was born and raised out there. Originally there have been plans to divide the state at the Tehacchappi Mountians. Heck, gang bangers already do this with “norte” and “sud” and you better not get caught in wrong territory.
So my money is on it not happening.
BTW I would not move back there regardless of what they decide to do.
FREEGARDS
LEX


49 posted on 01/07/2014 1:36:50 PM PST by lexington minuteman 1775
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To: Baynative

Trust me - if it’s coming from a VC, it’s hyperRat all the way, no matter what it seems to look like.


50 posted on 01/07/2014 1:38:46 PM PST by Talisker (One who commands, must obey.)
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