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Enlarging the House of Representatives
The New York Times ^ | 07 Jan 2014 | BRUCE BARTLETT

Posted on 01/07/2014 12:48:52 PM PST by Theoria

Last week, I discussed the case for increasing the size of the California State Legislature and perhaps others as well. But the case for increasing the size of the House of Representatives is even stronger.

The size of the House was one of the most hotly debated issues at the Constitutional Convention in Philadelphia in 1787. The delegates initially proposed a figure of 40,000 people per congressional district. But George Washington thought this number was too high and on the only occasion in which he addressed the convention he asked that it be reduced to 30,000. This change was agreed to and that is what Article I, Section 2 of the Constitution requires.

The Constitution is silent on the question of whether the House would increase in size as the population of the United States grew. James Madison was among those with concerns that the House would not increase in size, leading to increasingly large districts, which he expressed in Federalist 55. He therefore proposed that the first amendment to the Constitution be one that guaranteed an increase in the House proportional to rising population.

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TOPICS: Government; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: congress; house; politics

1 posted on 01/07/2014 12:48:52 PM PST by Theoria
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To: Theoria

sorry, the last thing we need are more “public servants” to support.

I also would like to see the state govts become unicameral; Nebraska does it and do you ever hear complaints about Nebraska? No.


2 posted on 01/07/2014 12:51:57 PM PST by jocon307
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To: Theoria

We can’t afford them as it is. Maybe, set up a pool of informed volunteer citizens that study issues and vote on them via the internet. We can start the pool off with Free Republic membership.


3 posted on 01/07/2014 12:58:39 PM PST by FreeAtlanta (Liberty or Big Government - you can't have both.)
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To: jocon307

“Not only had the relative populations of the various states changed, but the populations within states as well, generally reducing the rural population and increasing the urban population. As a political matter, this was important because rural voters tended to support Prohibition, while those in the cities favored repeal.”

This would give more votes to Democrat States like California, Illinois, Massachusetts, New York.


4 posted on 01/07/2014 1:00:07 PM PST by ZULU (Magua is sitting in the Oval Office)
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To: Theoria

NONBHN!

(Not only “no” but hell no).


5 posted on 01/07/2014 1:10:51 PM PST by DarrellZero
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To: Theoria

This only makes sense in the context of more states; breaking up the current 50 (57?) into 100 or more. The only way to get the elitism out of DC is to make is passe.


6 posted on 01/07/2014 1:14:41 PM PST by PubliusMM (RKBA; a matter of fact, not opinion. 01-20-2016; I pray we make it that long.)
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To: Theoria

Yeah! More social budgets, travel expenses and lifetime pensions for two years of service. Yippee.


7 posted on 01/07/2014 1:17:06 PM PST by dead (I've got my eye out for Mullah Omar.)
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To: Theoria

Lots of people won’t like this. Shifts the Electoral College to big states. Dilutes the power of individual members of the House and accordingly increases the institutional power of the Senate.


8 posted on 01/07/2014 1:18:42 PM PST by only1percent
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To: ZULU
“sorry, the last thing we need are more “public servants” to support.”

Amen. That said, I think the formula for deciding representation should include a component of land area involved. You could put up five high rise buildings close to each other in any city, and have more people than in several combined counties in some areas of the US. There should be a population density adjustment such that beyond a certain density you do not receive additional representation. This would dilute out to some extent what I feel is over-representation of the urban viewpoint in national politics.

9 posted on 01/07/2014 1:18:44 PM PST by pieceofthepuzzle
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To: jocon307

Nebraska is a rural, White and Conservative state. What works for them isn’t a one size fits all solution for others.


10 posted on 01/07/2014 1:20:56 PM PST by fieldmarshaldj (Resist We Much)
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To: Theoria

Originally,
representatives were about 2 1/2 times in number as senators (65 vs 26)...
(now, it is 435 vs 100 or about 4 1/2 times in number).

Originally,
representatives were 1 per 30,000 in population
(now, that would require 10,000 members in the house of representatives).

Originally,
there were 2 1/2 times as many representatives as senators
(now, that would translate to 250 representatives).


11 posted on 01/07/2014 1:23:48 PM PST by Repeal The 17th (We have met the enemy and he is us.)
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To: Theoria
Screwing with the Constitution is usually a game for fools.

I'd go along with it, though, in exchange for strict, lifetime, term limits: after serving 5 terms in the HoR, you have a choice: a .44 to the head, or the Big Dripper.

12 posted on 01/07/2014 1:24:08 PM PST by Night Hides Not (For every Ted Cruz we send to DC, I can endure 2-3 "unviable" candidates that beat incumbents.)
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To: Night Hides Not

Perhaps, and a repeal of the 17th.


13 posted on 01/07/2014 1:25:49 PM PST by Theoria (End Socialism : No more GOP and Dem candidates)
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To: Theoria

No action on the amendment has been completed by:
Florida
Georgia
Kentucky
Mississippi
Rhode Island
South Carolina
Virginia


14 posted on 01/07/2014 1:40:49 PM PST by Baseballguy (pharaphase (If someone does not believe in heaven or hell - they should not care where they go))
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To: ZULU

Just repeal the 17th Amendment and ratify term limits.


15 posted on 01/07/2014 1:43:53 PM PST by Blood of Tyrants (The War on Drugs has been used as an excuse to steal your rights. Support an end to the WOD now.)
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To: Blood of Tyrants

Good start.


16 posted on 01/07/2014 1:48:05 PM PST by ZULU (Magua is sitting in the Oval Office)
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To: jocon307

Nonsense: increase the seats, but FREEZE THE BUDGET.

Every Congressman shares a standard office cube with their aide. Singular.

They get 3 aides, max, back in the home district.

And living space ? Put up a few high-rise apartments on Anacostia Naval Station. Assign an apartment to each member of the House. Want Better ? Pay for it out of your OWN pocket. . .


17 posted on 01/07/2014 1:55:15 PM PST by Salgak (http://catalogoftehburningstoopid.blogspot.com 100% all-natural snark !)
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To: fieldmarshaldj

“Nebraska is a rural, White and Conservative state.”

Yes, but there are other states like that, Nebraska is the ONLY state with a unicameral legislature. There might be arguments against it, but basically I think we have way too many professional politicians in this country, their many hands have truly been a devil’s workshop.

I would not support that on the national level, but for the states, one house should be adequate.


18 posted on 01/07/2014 2:59:06 PM PST by jocon307
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To: jocon307

It’s not just a politician problem. We have a bureaucrat problem, armies and armies of government workers growing like a cancer and bleeding our treasury dry.


19 posted on 01/07/2014 3:14:18 PM PST by fieldmarshaldj (Resist We Much)
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To: Theoria

First, repeal the 17th Ammendment.


20 posted on 01/07/2014 5:16:29 PM PST by Traveler59 ( Truth is a journey, not a destination.)
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To: jocon307
Expand it. We have the technology to have massive conference calls. Decentralize DC. Give them one month in July to go to DC to meet face to face, then back to their communities.

Jonah Goldberg wrote a piece about this many years ago, much more compelling.
21 posted on 01/07/2014 5:44:49 PM PST by tenger (It's a good thing we don't get all the government we pay for. -Will Rogers)
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To: tenger

I’ll check out Goldberg’s piece. But I DO NOT want more of these people in full time roles, with huge staffs, all on my dime.

Oh, and btw, NO RETIREMENT BENES FOR ELECTED OFFICIALS, they can have a 401K and that is it.


22 posted on 01/07/2014 6:41:07 PM PST by jocon307
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To: jocon307
I've got a whole list of rules ifn I were king for a day:
  1. Two terms for House; one for Senate
  2. One bill covering one topic; nothing in between
  3. Bill must be read out loud before it is voted on
  4. All votes must be recorded. "present" or "not voting" are not options; no voice votes
  5. Tax increases must be as tough to pass as amending the Constitution
  6. The law must apply to all members of three branches of Government
  7. The law must have Chapter and Verse justification of the Constitution written into the bill
  8. The voters will vote on Congressional raises
  9. 11 months of the year Representatives will be in their districts; Senators in their states. August they get to go meet together in D.C.
  10. No limits on campaign contributions, but all contributions will be available for all to see
  11. After their terms in Congress, leaders have a 5 year waiting period before becoming a lobbyist
  12. No building, highway, or structures may carry the Congresscritter's name, and especially those individuals who are still in office
  13. Congress must balance the budget every year or they do not get paid
  14. April 15/tax day will be the day before the election in November
I think that about coves it for now...
23 posted on 01/09/2014 8:01:44 PM PST by tenger (It's a good thing we don't get all the government we pay for. -Will Rogers)
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To: tenger

Good ideas, but making them go to DC in August is just cruel & unusual!


24 posted on 01/09/2014 10:56:38 PM PST by jocon307
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