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Levin won't back Ayotte bill to repeal military pension cuts (Illegals win, Veterans lose)
The Hill ^ | 7 Jan 14 | Jeremy Herb

Posted on 01/07/2014 5:01:43 PM PST by SkyPilot

Senate Armed Services Committee Chairman Carl Levin (D-Mich.) said Tuesday that he cannot support Sen. Kelly Ayotte's (R-N.H.) bill to repeal $6 billion in cuts to military pensions because of the way it offsets the costs.

Levin initially told reporters Tuesday that he would back Ayotte's bill, providing a big boost to the effort to reverse the military retiree cost-of-living adjustment (COLA) reduction included in the last month’s budget deal.

But a Levin aide said that the Armed Services chairman endorsed Ayotte's bill before realizing that it restored the cuts by preventing illegal immigrants from claiming a child tax credit.

"Sen. Levin would support legislation to repeal the military pension cuts if such an amendment didn’t endanger underlying legislation and if he supported the offset," the aide said. "He doesn’t support the offset in Sen. Ayotte's legislation, so he couldn’t offer support for her legislation."

Levin's reversal on Ayotte's bill highlights the difficulty that lawmakers have in reversing the military pension cut.

While one-in-three lawmakers support restoring the $6 billion cut to military retirement benefits, there is no bipartisan agreement on how the offset would be paid for.

Levin, for instance, would back a measure from Sen. Jeanne Shaheen (D-N.H.) to offset the cost by closing overseas corporate tax loopholes. But that's a non-starter with Republicans.

Republicans have coalesced around Ayotte’s legislation and a companion measure in the House, which pays for the $6 billion by preventing illegal immigrants from claiming a child tax credit.

Republican lawmakers are also pushing the appropriations chairs to include the proposal in the omnibus spending bill that could be released as early as Wednesday.

(Excerpt) Read more at thehill.com ...


TOPICS: Extended News; Government; News/Current Events; US: Michigan; US: New Hampshire
KEYWORDS: abortion; budget; carllevin; carlmarxlevin; deathpanels; illegals; jeanneshaheen; karlmarxlevin; kellyayotte; michigan; military; newhampshire; obamacare; veterans; zerocare
"Surely we can agree it is better to end the fraudulent abuse of our system by illegally present tax filers than it is to cut the pensions of military men and women."
Sen. Jeff Sessions (R-Ala)

How many times do you think that Senate Democrats can favor illegal aliens stealing $4.2 Billion per year in child tax credits over military widows, disabled veterans, and honorably retired veteran heroes - - before someone notices?


1 posted on 01/07/2014 5:01:43 PM PST by SkyPilot
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To: Jet Jaguar

ping


2 posted on 01/07/2014 5:02:52 PM PST by SkyPilot
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To: SkyPilot

Ayotte has turned into a sick, pathetic joke. It’s such a shame what Washington does to people.


3 posted on 01/07/2014 5:06:29 PM PST by Extremely Extreme Extremist (Obama is very angry and will get to the bottom of it.)
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To: SkyPilot

Levin is playing the Stupak game. Its just a matter of which lobbying firm gives him the deal he wants.


4 posted on 01/07/2014 5:20:22 PM PST by cripplecreek (REMEMBER THE RIVER RAISIN!)
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To: Extremely Extreme Extremist

You’re in favor of the child tax credit for illegals?


5 posted on 01/07/2014 5:20:50 PM PST by what's up
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To: what's up

My apologies, I misread the article.


6 posted on 01/07/2014 5:26:10 PM PST by Extremely Extreme Extremist (Obama is very angry and will get to the bottom of it.)
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To: SkyPilot

>> How many times do you think that Senate Democrats can favor illegal aliens stealing $4.2 Billion per year in child tax credits over military widows, disabled veterans, and honorably retired veteran heroes

Democrat politicians are for the most part socialist scumbags.


7 posted on 01/07/2014 5:27:25 PM PST by Gene Eric (Don't be a statist!)
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To: Extremely Extreme Extremist
Ayotte is completely correct on this one. We should never cut military pensions. Those guys (and gals) put their lives on the line for you. They lost lots of their children's growing up years. They sacrificed for us and we made a promise to them.

Illegal aliens have been nothing but a drain on our country. This is just one example. They use our schools, they overwhelm our emergency rooms they kill our people on the highways and rape and kill our wives and daughters.

How is Ayotte coming across as a "sick joke"?

8 posted on 01/07/2014 5:28:23 PM PST by snowtigger
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To: SkyPilot

I’d say the GOP should just refuse to pass anything in the house, but of course, that would upset the Dems.

Of course, since many in the GOP allowed it to begin with, it must be just more lesser evil. So that’s OK. We should keep voting for that. It’s good for America’s vets. Really. The dems are worse. Really.

Signed, Normie. Father of one of the screwed vets.


9 posted on 01/07/2014 5:31:21 PM PST by Norm Lenhart
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To: Extremely Extreme Extremist

Even though she’s right on this one, and this is a no brainer, you are right, Ayotte is still a sick, pathetic McCain lovin’ joke.


10 posted on 01/07/2014 5:37:54 PM PST by grumpygresh (Democrats delenda est. New US economy: Fascism on top, Socialism on the bottom.)
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To: Extremely Extreme Extremist
Ayotte has turned into a sick, pathetic joke.

She is actually trying to do the right thing and protect military families. It is Carl Levin who is the villain here.

11 posted on 01/07/2014 5:38:10 PM PST by SkyPilot
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To: Norm Lenhart
I’d say the GOP should just refuse to pass anything in the house

Cold comfort there.

In the House, we have Paul "Judas" Ryan, who co-authored the military pension cut (while being careful to protect his own).


12 posted on 01/07/2014 5:41:02 PM PST by SkyPilot
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To: Extremely Extreme Extremist
My apologies too, I didn't see your clarification.

Oh well, so many traitors on both sides it isn't always easy these days to determine who the good guy is anymore. Is it?

We cannot count on the Republicans to be our friends anymore. Paul Ryan being a prime example.

13 posted on 01/07/2014 5:43:15 PM PST by SkyPilot
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To: Norm Lenhart
Signed, Normie. Father of one of the screwed vets.

Bless your son or daughter for serving.

I am praying for some Psalm 3 justice these days.

14 posted on 01/07/2014 5:45:27 PM PST by SkyPilot
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To: SkyPilot

In one sense it looks like that. But look at it another way.

There were enough GOP that can rightfully take the blame for this happening to begin with. It happened pretty fast overall and people didn’t have a lot of time to get aware, much less riled up about it.

Now here comes the other GOP members on white horses to the rescue. In the leadup to an election, during a time that it’s in the process of caving on ILLEGAL immigration.

Nothing these people do is to benefit anyone but themselves and the liberal agenda. And none of McCain’s lackies is ever to be trusted at face value.

They caused this and now want to look like the good guys. I wonder why.


15 posted on 01/07/2014 5:45:29 PM PST by Norm Lenhart
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To: SkyPilot

Thanks. It just really fries my ass that these people get away with what they do and then get our votes. Well not mine, but many.


16 posted on 01/07/2014 5:46:54 PM PST by Norm Lenhart
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To: SkyPilot

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The first kick I took was when I hit the ground.
‘Til you spend half your life just a covering up
Like a dog that’s been beat too much.

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Fighting the North and the Viet Cong.
They’re still there.
He’s all gone.

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Went down to the refinery.
The man said, ‘Son, if it was up to me...’
Went down to see my VA man.
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17 posted on 01/07/2014 5:50:51 PM PST by blueunicorn6 ("A crack shot and a good dancer")
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To: SkyPilot; blueyon; KitJ; T Minus Four; xzins; CMS; The Sailor; ab01; txradioguy; Jet Jaguar; ...

Active Duty/Retiree ping.


18 posted on 01/07/2014 5:53:45 PM PST by Jet Jaguar
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To: Norm Lenhart

Yeah, but how do you feel about Carl Levin?


19 posted on 01/07/2014 5:55:50 PM PST by dforest
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To: dforest

He’s a democrat. As such I place him on the scale somewhere between the AIDS virus and jock itch on the scale of benefits to humanity.

Pretty much where I think all Dem/Libs are. I expect nothing but Anti0American, Anti0-military activity from them all.


20 posted on 01/07/2014 5:58:20 PM PST by Norm Lenhart
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To: SkyPilot

Typical of Karl Lenin, as we used to call him.


21 posted on 01/07/2014 5:58:27 PM PST by SandRat (Duty - Honor - Country! What else needs said?)
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To: dforest

To put it another way, Crap like this is one of the reasons I rail so much on the whole lesser evil thing and those that push it.

Dems do not need help. They have a good grasp in how to screw everything up. They don’t need a farm team in the form of lesser evil handmaidens.

It didn’t take Nostradamus to forsee that a guy that would set aside his supposed principles to campaign alongside Obamacare’s daddy, a man who gave ud his own cash to kelp kill babies via Planned Barrenhood wasn’t someone to trust.

And lo and behold, he proved the predictions of many correct on this, gay marriage ect. People can make every excuse they’d like. But the truth is self evident.


22 posted on 01/07/2014 6:06:55 PM PST by Norm Lenhart
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To: SkyPilot

Sen. Ayotte done good. This time. But she wouldn’t have had to if the vichy gop in the house, lead by marshal petain ryan, had not voted to screw over vets in the first place. I guess it all boiled down to priorities. And sending more money to the families of illegal aliens was a higher priority for the kakistocrats.

Getting my voting addiction under control might turn out to be easier than I thought. One Election At A Time.


23 posted on 01/07/2014 6:07:08 PM PST by RKBA Democrat (Having some small say in who gets to hold the whip doesn't make you any less a slave.)
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To: Jet Jaguar; All

Who has more influence and clout with the political class in DC- military veterans or LaRaza? The answer is pretty clear. Social justice for a voting block trumps honoring a committment to those have served defending the nation.


24 posted on 01/07/2014 6:07:21 PM PST by TADSLOS (The Event Horizon has come and gone. Buckle up and hang on.)
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To: TADSLOS

Well they ‘are’ listed as potential terrorists by the Govt..... And we dont negot’...oh wait.

This fiasco is so wrong on so many levels, Alynski had to be the author of it.


25 posted on 01/07/2014 6:13:48 PM PST by Norm Lenhart
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To: RKBA Democrat
Sen. Ayotte done good. This time.

I will give her this: she was one of the few who went before the media and spilled the beans in December about what an injustice it was for Paul Ryan and Patty Murray to have sold our military, military widows, wounded military, and disabled veterans down the river.

26 posted on 01/07/2014 6:16:52 PM PST by SkyPilot
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To: snowtigger

Because she voted for this budget which included these cuts. As John F’n Kerry would say, she was for cutting military benefits before she was against it. Is she stupid, or just incompetent?


27 posted on 01/07/2014 6:17:22 PM PST by Yogafist
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To: Yogafist; snowtigger

Never mind, I am wrong, she did vote against this one.


28 posted on 01/07/2014 6:19:54 PM PST by Yogafist
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To: SkyPilot
Any congress creature that votes for tax credits for illegal aliens needs to be indicted, prosecuted, and jailed.

This is criminal behavior.

29 posted on 01/07/2014 6:25:10 PM PST by Rome2000 (THE WASHINGTONIANS AND UNIVERSAL SUFFRAGE ARE THE ENEMY -ROTATE THE CAPITAL AMONGST THE STATES)
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To: Extremely Extreme Extremist
...I misread the article.

Don't feel bad. When I first saw the headline, I thought it meant Mark Levin. I thought WTF. I think it's called putting one's mouth, or in this case one's keyboard, into gear before the brain is fully engaged.

30 posted on 01/07/2014 6:31:47 PM PST by foxfield (Support the Tea Party. The Tea Party supports you.)
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To: SkyPilot

illegal child tax “credits - si
Veterans cola - no

gracias, Carl Levin.
save $6 billion over 8 years on the backs of our vets..., and ignore the fact that social security sent $108 billion to dead people in 2012


31 posted on 01/07/2014 6:57:55 PM PST by silverleaf (Age takes a toll: Please have exact change)
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To: SkyPilot

It all started with backstabber ryan and his “intervertent mistake” of doing nothing about the removal of the mistake, so he says, from the bill.

I hope he is sleeping well at night knowing that it is all a lie. but then again people like him affirm that the people who are elected are nothing but liars who think the voters are stupid.


32 posted on 01/07/2014 7:03:27 PM PST by chiefqc
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To: SkyPilot

Im surprised so many RINO’s are behind this. This is complete opposite to the gang of 8 bill that made sure they expanded every freebie and deleted every penalty.

It was a stupid move by Paul Ryan to let Jeff Sessions use this issue to pound his team (Luis Guiterrez and co.).


33 posted on 01/07/2014 8:34:30 PM PST by ObamahatesPACoal
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To: SkyPilot

Ayotte and Rubio thought they were get future deals if they caved to Democrats.

Where does the Club for Amnesty and Grover Norquist and other fiscal groups stand on this bill?


34 posted on 01/07/2014 8:38:50 PM PST by ObamahatesPACoal
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To: chiefqc
It all started with backstabber ryan and his “intervertent mistake” of doing nothing about the removal of the mistake, so he says, from the bill.

Ryan and Murray lied when they said they "never intended" to included military widows and disabled retirees in the pension cuts.

The truth is, they did want them cut, and are only back tracking now, saying it was a "mistake" because for some incredible reason, they are completely shocked that the public is outraged that military heroes were singled out for massive cuts to their pensions while TANF welfare, Food Stamps, SS Disability, Medicaid, Section 8 Housing Vouchers, 37 Duplicate Federal Job Training Programs, etc were protected and had no cuts.

Moreover, even the proposed "fix" they are talking about will only cover those who were medically retired before 20 years. Some of those were combat injured, but many were not. You can be medically retired for almost anything. But combat wounded, the maimed, and Purple Heart heroes who stuck it out for 20 years after their injuries, fought the VA for a disability rating are SCREWED, even if they were maimed and they have a 100% disability rating - their retirement pensions will be cut, regardless.

Nice, huh?

35 posted on 01/08/2014 2:42:06 AM PST by SkyPilot
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To: SkyPilot
Yep, Levin says, "Screw those military vets, including those maimed protecting my a$$ from Islamic terrorists but don't you dare think you're going to rob those kind, decent folk who just want to have a job and take care of their families, with a little help from America. Taxpayers!"
36 posted on 01/08/2014 6:19:45 AM PST by zerosix (Native Sunflower)
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To: Gene Eric

I think if you look real close, you will find more than a few RINOs either voting in favor or maintaining these illegal tax refunds to illegal aliens, or declining to vote and thus allowing this raping of American taxpayers!


37 posted on 01/08/2014 6:22:45 AM PST by zerosix (Native Sunflower)
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To: SkyPilot

My son-in-law has verifiable (CAT scans and X-rays) damage to his brain, neck, shoulders, back and knees after 2 combat tours in Fallujah. He is on disability. He is not medically retired. He would not be covered by Ryan’s proposed fix.


38 posted on 01/08/2014 6:59:26 AM PST by Mr Rogers (Liberals are like locusts...)
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To: Mr Rogers
My son-in-law has verifiable (CAT scans and X-rays) damage to his brain, neck, shoulders, back and knees after 2 combat tours in Fallujah. He is on disability. He is not medically retired. He would not be covered by Ryan’s proposed fix.

That is correct. Ryan, Murray and Hagel are deliberately conspiring to narrow the proposed "fix" to only those who were medically retired before they served 20 years. As I have said, God bless those men and women, many of them were combat injured or incurred a disease they didn't ask for, but you can be medically retired for almost anything. The combat wounded or those injured by direct service related impairment are screwed. The "fix" will still rob from their retirement pensions.

A military member could have been severely wounded and is now 100% VA rated disabled, it does not matter.

There are some bills that have been proposed by some GOP Congressmen from the House that would cover your son-in-law, but it looks like someone (probably Hagel) is blocking them. They don't want that legislation coming up for a vote, because it denies the DoD the chance to screw more retirees over later on things like disability payment, retirement, and healthcare. At this point, it is all about the screwing the throw away veteran. He is no good to the DoD anymore, so the attitude is F^&^ them.


39 posted on 01/08/2014 2:35:52 PM PST by SkyPilot
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