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Fort Pierce Police Department unveils new armored vehicle
WPTV ^ | Elliott Jones

Posted on 01/07/2014 9:12:17 PM PST by managusta

FORT PIERCE, Fla. - Police in Fort Pierce are now armed with a U.S. military surplus battle wagon: a six wheel, 30-ton armored vehicle worth $700,000 — that the agency got for $2,000.

“If you see my SWAT team roll up in this, it’s over, so just give up,” said Police Chief Sam Baldwin.

However Baldwin hopes the mine-resistant, ambush protection vehicle just stays parked. If used, it would be for transporting the SWAT team and for a mobile command and rescue vehicle.

Officer Keith Holmes got the vehicle in October through the auspices of the National Defense Authorization Act. That allows the military to transfer excess military vehicles to law enforcement agencies. The city got a little-used model with 5,000 miles on it.

“If you see my SWAT team roll up in this, it’s over, so just give up,” said Police Chief Sam Baldwin.

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Where the heck are these rear ends going to deploy this vehicle in Fort Pierce? This is beyond the pale and as a local and a former public defenders investigator all I can say is that I am finally getting very jittery about Police behavior. I can not believe the Mayor authorized this purchase. I am certain that our PD no longer needs its cruisers.
1 posted on 01/07/2014 9:12:17 PM PST by managusta
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To: managusta

Does it come with a locker of really cool looking uniforms and boots?


2 posted on 01/07/2014 9:16:47 PM PST by Gene Eric (Don't be a statist!)
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To: managusta
I understand that you're excited and upset, but... it's midnight (EST). Is this really "Breaking News" at midnight?

That said, an armored vehicle sure does seem like overkill, don't it though?

3 posted on 01/07/2014 9:18:29 PM PST by dayglored (Listen, strange women lying in ponds distributing swords is...sounding pretty good about now.)
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To: managusta

They are going to be itching to use it.


4 posted on 01/07/2014 9:19:51 PM PST by minnesota_bound
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To: managusta

Nothing like military weapons given to a bunch of Barneys!


5 posted on 01/07/2014 9:20:32 PM PST by plainshame
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To: managusta

Hey, you have to have the right equipment if you’re trying to create a police state...


6 posted on 01/07/2014 9:21:47 PM PST by Sicon ("All animals are equal, but some animals are more equal than others." - G. Orwell x)
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To: managusta

“If you see my SWAT team roll up in this, it’s over, so just give up,” said Police Chief Sam Baldwin.

The ravings of an insane, power mad dictator. NO police department needs something like this. It belongs in a National Guard Armory. It was paid for with YOUR tax dollars by OBAMA.


7 posted on 01/07/2014 9:24:20 PM PST by ZULU (Magua is sitting in the Oval Office)
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To: plainshame
Nothing like military weapons given to a bunch of Barneys!

Hopefully Andy keeps the key.

8 posted on 01/07/2014 9:25:16 PM PST by Veggie Todd (I don't always talk to Obama voters, but when I do I ask for Large Fries.)
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To: managusta

Maybe he didn’t. Maybe it went directly to the maniac who runs this Gestapo headquarters. From Obama with love.


9 posted on 01/07/2014 9:27:16 PM PST by ZULU (Magua is sitting in the Oval Office)
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To: managusta
Whenever police get these, they always make it seem like an impulse purchase at the grocery store. Well, we have everything we need, let's check out. Hey, gum!

There are not impulse buys, these must be part of a program, which is not to be made public. Same with the billion rounds of ammo, same with every agency imaginable getting a SWAT team, same with fortifying federal buildings.

The most "benign" reason I can think of for all of this is that they are planning for massive civil unrest in a few years, and are prepping for it.

And if you haven't gotten the memo about this, you are on your own.

10 posted on 01/07/2014 9:27:40 PM PST by Vince Ferrer
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To: ZULU

Yup, the kind of a-hole who uses a SWAT team to server routine warrants. I am really starting to despise many cops.


11 posted on 01/07/2014 9:27:48 PM PST by jospehm20
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To: managusta

12 posted on 01/07/2014 9:27:50 PM PST by JoeProBono (SOME IMAGES MAY BE DISTURBING VIEWER DISCRETION IS ADVISED;-{)
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To: ZULU
If you see my SWAT team roll up in this, TO THE WRONG HOUSE, it’s over
13 posted on 01/07/2014 9:28:38 PM PST by Dalberg-Acton
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To: managusta
30-ton armored vehicle

Damn!!
What size is the main gun on that thing?

14 posted on 01/07/2014 9:28:41 PM PST by The Cajun (Sarah Palin, Mark Levin, Ted Cruz, Mike Lee, Louie Gohmert......Nuff said.)
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To: managusta

The cost of maintenance on this vehicle is a huge budget item. I hope the city is prepared for that.


15 posted on 01/07/2014 9:29:04 PM PST by TaMoDee (Go Pack Go! The Pack will be back in 2014!)
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To: jospehm20

I have totally lost any admiration for them as a “profession”. There may still be individual good cops, but the overwhelming number of them are paramilitary insane carabineri wannabes.

The ONLY way to stop this is to ELIMINATE Police Chiefs, replace them with CIVILIAN Public Safety Directors, REQUIRE cops to LIVE where they work, establish Civilian Review boards with the authority to fire cops, and require civilian observers and reporters at ALL Police Academy classes to see exactly WHAT they are teaching these idiots.

I can’t believe this is happening in America. Full militarization of our civilian peace officers - not to target Muslim terrorists - but to target American civilians.


16 posted on 01/07/2014 9:32:07 PM PST by ZULU (Magua is sitting in the Oval Office)
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To: managusta
They are expensive to operate. So expect more raids using the forfeiture laws to fund its upkeep.
17 posted on 01/07/2014 9:32:45 PM PST by D Rider
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To: managusta

Does it come with a 30mm bipolar-teen eliminator?


18 posted on 01/07/2014 9:36:14 PM PST by Dagnabitt (Amnesty is Treason. Its agents are Traitors.)
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To: Dagnabitt
Does it come with a 30mm bipolar-teen eliminator?

No, it's the 40mm Citizen Disruptor Device.

19 posted on 01/07/2014 9:42:17 PM PST by OneWingedShark (Q: Why am I here? A: To do Justly, to love mercy, and to walk humbly with my God.)
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To: managusta
“If you see my SWAT team roll up in this, it’s over, so just give up,”

You still have to get out of it pal.

20 posted on 01/07/2014 9:46:46 PM PST by Doomonyou (Let them eat Lead.)
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To: JoeProBono

Too bad they have to crawl out from in there now and then, in case someone is zeroed in from 300-400 yards out...................


21 posted on 01/07/2014 9:47:15 PM PST by doorgunner69
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To: managusta

Hey Chief Baldwin, you wanted to scare people?

You did it. Everyone is scared.

Not just criminals - everybody. Young people, old people, children, mothers, fathers, workers, businessmen, students - everyone. You’ve got the whole American population afraid of you. All of them.

Happy? Is that what you wanted to do? Look at that armoured military vehicle - did you really think that wouldn’t be the effect it would have on the entire civilian population?

Good job, Chief.

One last question - what country is this?


22 posted on 01/07/2014 9:48:45 PM PST by Talisker (One who commands, must obey.)
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To: managusta

The police are for enforcing the rule of law on the citizenry. The military is for killing enemies of the state, occupying invaded countries, and imposing the will of the government on the occupied territories. So what does it mean when a police force become militarized?


23 posted on 01/07/2014 9:48:51 PM PST by RC one
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To: managusta
According to Wiki, Ft. Peirce is a city of 43k, with a falling crime rate.

Yep, I can see the driving need for their SWAT Gestapo to have such a toy.

This stinks like Obunghole after a night with Reggie.

DHS is setting the stage, no doubt in my mind.

24 posted on 01/07/2014 9:51:51 PM PST by doorgunner69
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To: managusta
You could render the 30-ton APC so much static junk with a suitable application of Thermate-TH3 — iron oxide and aluminum chips. Thermate-TH3 is a mixture of thermite and pyrotechnic additives. Its composition by weight is generally about 68.7% thermite, 29.0% barium nitrate, 2.0% sulfur, and 0.3% of a binder [such as polybutadiene acrylonitrile (PBAN)]. The addition of barium nitrate to thermite increases its thermal effect, produces a larger flame, and significantly reduces the ignition temperature. The primary purpose of Thermate-TH3 by the armed forces is as an incendiary anti-material weapon.
25 posted on 01/07/2014 9:56:23 PM PST by MasterGunner01
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To: managusta

Are they going to arrest unlawful seagulls or Pelicans?


26 posted on 01/07/2014 9:56:48 PM PST by realcleanguy
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To: managusta

Well, hopefully all the cops will go home safe.


27 posted on 01/07/2014 9:58:08 PM PST by Veggie Todd (I don't always talk to Obama voters, but when I do I ask for Large Fries.)
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To: ZULU

......but the overwhelming number of them are paramilitary insane carabineri wannabes.


Bingo! And they go out of their way to recruit that type.


28 posted on 01/07/2014 9:58:17 PM PST by laplata (Liberals don't get it .... their minds are diseased.)
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To: ZULU
The ONLY way to stop this is to ELIMINATE Police Chiefs, replace them with CIVILIAN Public Safety Directors, REQUIRE cops to LIVE where they work, establish Civilian Review boards with the authority to fire cops, and require civilian observers and reporters at ALL Police Academy classes to see exactly WHAT they are teaching these idiots.

You left off your list: Elimination of Police/Civil service unions...........

Take away their lack of fear of incarceration for things that certainly would imprison us peasants.

29 posted on 01/07/2014 9:58:33 PM PST by doorgunner69
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To: doorgunner69

Yep.


30 posted on 01/07/2014 9:59:22 PM PST by laplata (Liberals don't get it .... their minds are diseased.)
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To: managusta
Hahaha, I can see one of those pulling me over for having, say a rear brake light out.
I would be SPEECHLESS, no easy task.

Wow!

31 posted on 01/07/2014 9:59:34 PM PST by cloudmountain (.)
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To: doorgunner69

You are right - THAT TOO!


32 posted on 01/07/2014 9:59:46 PM PST by ZULU (Magua is sitting in the Oval Office)
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To: managusta

30 ton. I could stop it with a little clever planning and a few hundred gallons of water. What do you think the local service station would charge to tow that beast out?


33 posted on 01/07/2014 9:59:56 PM PST by ThunderSleeps (Stop obarma now! Stop the hussein - insane agenda!)
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To: Talisker
One last question - what country is this?

Soviet America.
34 posted on 01/07/2014 10:00:06 PM PST by Army Air Corps (Four Fried Chickens and a Coke)
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To: managusta
Police in Fort Pierce are now armed with a U.S. military surplus battle wagon: a six wheel, 30-ton armored vehicle worth $700,000 — that the agency got for $2,000.

Yeesh. I find that "discount" almost as disturbing as the perceived "need" of the PD of a medium-sized town to have one of these things in the first place. Don't we have some overseas ally we could sell it to for at least a couple hundred grand?

35 posted on 01/07/2014 10:01:01 PM PST by DemforBush (Ice cream, Mandrake? Children's ice cream?)
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To: doorgunner69

Yeah, if it ever comes to that... I won’t be in the building you pull up to. I won’t even be within sight of it. I will have figured out where you’re going to stage from nearby though, and you’ll be in range... As long as you obey and defend the Constitution - as I have sworn an oath to do - we won’t have any problems. Break that oath, and it’s on.


36 posted on 01/07/2014 10:03:37 PM PST by ThunderSleeps (Stop obarma now! Stop the hussein - insane agenda!)
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To: managusta

Got some morning show tapes from a friend in south Florida. One of them includes a fella talking about a vicious animal attack in his home. “I got a coon in my living room!”—the Fort Pierce police response was “Is he armed?”

Granted, those tapes were from the 90’s, but giving those yahoos that kind of vehicle leaves me speechless. Thank goodness I’m a few hours north.


37 posted on 01/07/2014 10:03:55 PM PST by Southern Magnolia
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To: managusta

On the upside, the article says these departments are getting the vehicles for $2,000, so I bet a whole lot of them would never get the vehicles if they had to actually pay for them. How long do you think these things will last in all these podunk police departments, without a budget for parts and maintenance of $700,000 military vehicles?


38 posted on 01/07/2014 10:03:56 PM PST by Boogieman
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To: managusta
Rise of the Warrior Cop: The Militarization of America's Police Forces

Altogether, there are over 2 million LEOs in the United States today. The author argues that they have effectively become a domestic standing army. The book contains an excellent history of domestic policing and is scrupulously documented.

39 posted on 01/07/2014 10:05:10 PM PST by Carry_Okie (0-Care IS Medicaid; they'll pull a sheet over your head and take your home to pay for it.)
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To: DemforBush
DOD probably doesn't want to compete with the manufacturer-contractor who is trying to sell brand-new models to our allies.

"Everybody Wins"

40 posted on 01/07/2014 10:08:44 PM PST by Dagnabitt (Amnesty is Treason. Its agents are Traitors.)
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To: minnesota_bound

an unused weapon is a useless weapon.


41 posted on 01/07/2014 10:10:38 PM PST by RC one
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To: DemforBush

“Don’t we have some overseas ally we could sell it to for at least a couple hundred grand?”

Maybe no allies that we are angry enough at to do that. The reason these brand new things are “surplus” is because our own troops didn’t want them, because they were crap in the field.


42 posted on 01/07/2014 10:11:26 PM PST by Boogieman
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To: Dagnabitt

Fair point.

Wonder if they’ll one of those to you or me for 2K? After all, I figure I have just as much “need” for one of those monsters as the PD of Fort Pierce...


43 posted on 01/07/2014 10:12:52 PM PST by DemforBush (Ice cream, Mandrake? Children's ice cream?)
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To: managusta

If I saw that thing parked on the street here in my town, I would have zero hesitation to walk over to it whip out my Johnson, and piss on the front tire... SWAT team or not, that vehicle is ridiculous.


44 posted on 01/07/2014 10:16:02 PM PST by Rodamala (When in doubt, please note there is an implied </sarc> tag at the end of all posts.)
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To: Boogieman

Beware Fedzilla bearing “gifts”.

There will be obligations attached by DHS for the shiny new playthings.

the police unfortunately are fools to take this stuff.


45 posted on 01/07/2014 10:17:03 PM PST by Gasshog (These introductions of non-native species have consequences, like allowing Obama back into the U.S.)
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To: managusta

As with every other one of these acquisitions, I don’t think this is nearly as alarming as most do, for the following reasons:

One, these vehicles are incredibly expensive to maintain. They’re heavy, and impose a tremendous strain on their entire drivetrain and suspension. The tires alone cost several thousand dollars, and don’t last all that long. Additionally, much of the drivetrain is purpose-built, not COTS, so when something breaks, they’re going to have to get spares from a specific supplier, likely at cost, which is going to take a big bite out of the budget. This alone is likely to redline that thing.

Two, driving an MRAP requires specialized training on a simulator. They roll over *very easily* and are extremely top-heavy. An uneven road that causes oscillation, a corner taken too fast, or a large bump taken the wrong way, is enough to put it on its side. This isn’t a tank; it’s an armored bus intended to bring troops to the fight but not to participate.

Three, they’re HEAVY. As tough as it looks, it SUCKS as an offroad vehicle, and can get stuck easily (particularly in marshy Florida), either by becoming bogged down, or by putting too much strain on the axles/transmission and breaking something. Worse, once it’s stuck, you’re not going to get it out with any ordinary tow truck.

All these combined makes for a very short career as a law enforcement vehicle.


46 posted on 01/07/2014 10:19:55 PM PST by Little Pig (Vi Veri Veniversum Vivus Vici.)
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To: DemforBush

Get an old M-10.


47 posted on 01/07/2014 10:21:48 PM PST by Army Air Corps (Four Fried Chickens and a Coke)
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To: ZULU
“If you see my SWAT team roll up in this, it’s over, so just give up,” said Police Chief Sam Baldwin.

The ravings of an insane, power mad dictator. NO police department needs something like this. It belongs in a National Guard Armory. It was paid for with YOUR tax dollars by OBAMA.

I guess the old adage "to protect and serve" is obsolete. It looks like now they're more interested in instilling fear in the hearts of us peons. They get an added bonus when they get to kill the family pet or crash through the door of the wrong house.

Actually, our local cops are so fat they can't crash through anything, much less a door. So I guess they have to content themselves with merely killing the family pet.

48 posted on 01/07/2014 10:22:36 PM PST by LouAvul (In a state of disbelief as to how liberals destroyed America in a mere 40 years.)
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To: managusta

I hope they realize that, logistically speaking, there are some bridges and roads that are not designed to withstand a 30 ton vehicle, especially in residential areas. Trash pick up trucks struggle with this sometimes.


49 posted on 01/07/2014 10:27:27 PM PST by Tenacious 1 (Liberals can afford for things to go well, to work, for folks to be happy. They'd be out of work.)
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To: MasterGunner01

Even easier, and probably safer: just embrittle all the suspension springs on one side. One strong bump, those springs snap, and it’s on its side, probably never to roll again.


50 posted on 01/07/2014 10:30:25 PM PST by Little Pig (Vi Veri Veniversum Vivus Vici.)
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