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The Problem With The Republican Antipoverty Agenda Is That It Doesn’t Exist (Keynesian hit piece)
Business Insider ^ | Jan 7, 2014, 11:09 AM | Josh Barro

Posted on 01/07/2014 10:15:02 PM PST by Olog-hai

Republicans are in a pickle. The Senate is voting today to extend emergency unemployment insurance benefits. Democrats are talking up a sharp rise in the federal minimum wage. Most Republicans oppose those ideas, but they still want to show that they care about reducing poverty. What can they do? […]

Broadly there are two poverty problems in the United States. One is a cyclical trend: The labor market has been slack for the last five years, leaving many people involuntarily unemployed and limiting workers’ ability to bargain for higher wages. The other is secular: Labor’s share of national income is declining, wages are rising more slowly for low-skilled workers than high-skilled ones, and rises in family income at the bottom have come primarily through fiscal transfers, not wages.

These problems require different solutions, and Republican ideas don’t address either. On the cyclical side, Republicans favor a variety of policies that would make the unemployed and marginally employed worse off. They want to cut government benefits to the poor: they oppose extension of emergency Unemployment Insurance benefits, they want modest cuts to food stamps, they want to repeal the Medicaid expansion. Of course, Republicans don’t want the poor to live off government benefits; they want them to get jobs. Unfortunately, Republicans also oppose macroeconomic policies to promote full employment, such as deficit spending, infrastructure investment, and monetary stimulus.

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More communistic rhetoric than you can shake a stick at.
1 posted on 01/07/2014 10:15:02 PM PST by Olog-hai
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To: Olog-hai

you don’t end poverty by forcing millions of people onto the dole and into lives of destitute dependency

(the answer to poverty is to end the Obama regime’s anti-jobs policies so that the economy can turn around and start recovering again, creating new jobs for all those who wish to end their own poverty and get ahead with their lives)

[I am allowing that there ARE some people with serious disabilities and that we will continue to help them no matter which party is in power. I am speaking instead to the millions of Americans who can, and who may want to...work and make good lives for themselves...]


2 posted on 01/07/2014 10:27:45 PM PST by faithhopecharity (no)
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To: Olog-hai

You can’t use Karl Marx’s ideas to help the middle class.

You-can’t-do-it.


3 posted on 01/07/2014 10:29:05 PM PST by Tzimisce
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To: Tzimisce

Of COURSE not! Marx DETESTED the middle class (Bourgeoisie) !


4 posted on 01/07/2014 10:41:55 PM PST by Frank_2001
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To: Olog-hai
Broadly there are two poverty problems in the United States. One is a cyclical trend: The labor market has been slack for the last five years, leaving many people involuntarily unemployed and limiting workers’ ability to bargain for higher wages. The other is secular: Labor’s share of national income is declining, wages are rising more slowly for low-skilled workers than high-skilled ones, and rises in family income at the bottom have come primarily through fiscal transfers, not wages.

These problems require different solutions, and Republican ideas don’t address either.

Correct on the first part. Head up his progressive arse on the second part.

Problem: "The labor market has been slack for the last five years". Translation: there aren't enough jobs. The major contributor to the lack of jobs for the last five year is the policy set enacted by the party in charge for the last five years. Obamacare is a job killer. An unaccountable EPA is a job killer. A hostile energy policy is a job killer. Over-regulation is a job killer. Uncertainty surrounding the overall economic policy of an incompetent president is a job killer.

Solution: Repeal Obamacare. Lower taxes on business. Reduce the hidden tax on small business by shedding needless regulations.

Problem: "Wages are rising more slowly for low skilled workers...". That's because we have so many low skilled workers. Each one willing to work for less than the next. And they are streaming across the border daily, incentivized by weak illegal immigration enforcement, welfare handouts, in-state tuition, sanctuary cities, etc.

Solution: Seal the border. Make U.S. citizenship a prerequisite to receiving ANY type of government assistance. Large numbers of illegal immigrants will self-deport.

5 posted on 01/07/2014 10:48:45 PM PST by Washi (Stop Obama's War On Jobs)
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To: Tzimisce

Modern Keynesian do not practice what they preach. The last true K POTUS was Eisenhower. Here is how K suppose to work. Gov goes into deficit spending to meet a contingency such as depression or war. Once situation stabilizes and recover, the extra tax revenues generated are used to pay down and eliminate the debt. Eisenhower kept the US out of major wars and paid down the US WW2 debt and handed JFK a financially strong US in 1960’s. Do Dems pay down debt, do GOP avoid wars? One wants utopia and the other wants empire. Both parties are a disaster to US middle class. Tea Party, Libertarian, Constitution and America First is the only path to US Renaissance. God gave Americans two great barrier oceans, no hostile power on our borders and a land rich with resources. Stay within it and we will have peace and prosperity thru strength. Leave it and butt into overseas affairs will only drain our treasury and bleed our youth.


6 posted on 01/07/2014 10:58:33 PM PST by Fee
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To: Olog-hai
The Problem With The Republican Antipoverty Agenda Is That It Doesn’t Exist

Unfortunately, I have to agree. What it SHOULD be is: cut taxes by 15%, spending by 50%, and regulation by 90%, but I haven't heard anything like any of that.

7 posted on 01/07/2014 10:59:21 PM PST by Still Thinking (Freedom is NOT a loophole!)
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To: Olog-hai

The problem with the Democrat anti-poverty agenda is that it creates more poverty.


8 posted on 01/07/2014 11:09:57 PM PST by Maceman (Just say "NO" to tyranny.)
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To: Washi

Even if you eliminate taxes and regs, corporate America is lead by CEO’s who have no loyalty to their country. You do not make your nation wealthy and powerful by going overseas and teach China and India how to do technical work that American college grads can do. Just the act of teaching overseas workers to close the tech gap, causing umemployment in US which corporate America dumps on US taxpayers is bull shit. It is one thing the corporation is losing profits and forced to do this, but it is another when corporations are making record profits, but the CEO and his exec inner circle want more. Consequences are for all to see. US college IT grads cannot get jobs, Chinese military closes weapons tech gap, and Dem socialist demagoguery gains traction on desperate unemployed workers. All for what, so CEO can make more and more and more that they cannot even spend in 100 lifetimes?!!!! Even worst when the CEO screws up, he gets a Federal bailout. Isn’t the US a wonderful country?!!!! Enemy to America is big gov and big business. The next time Wall Street crashes the US economy, I don’t want fines, I want the CEO personal wealth and his life for the mess. One thing about the Communist Chinese (something we can learn from China), if their bankers pulled a 2008, many of them would be lined up in front of a firing squad. Family must pay for the bullet before the corpse is released for burial.


9 posted on 01/07/2014 11:11:22 PM PST by Fee
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To: Olog-hai

What they call “anti-poverty” is really pro big government.


10 posted on 01/07/2014 11:11:29 PM PST by Republican1795.
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To: Fee

Nobody said to keep the cronyist corporate bailout system in place after taxes and regulations are slashed.


11 posted on 01/07/2014 11:13:01 PM PST by Olog-hai
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To: Olog-hai

It’s up to the poor to better themselves.

If they don’t they can just stay poor and I won’t give them one cent unless forced by government!!!


12 posted on 01/07/2014 11:14:26 PM PST by dalereed
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To: Olog-hai

The Senate is voting today to extend emergency unemployment insurance benefits. Democrats are talking up a sharp rise in the federal minimum wage. Most Republicans oppose those ideas, but they still want to show that they care about reducing poverty

I am confused. What do the first two sentences have to do with the third sentence? Neither the extension of unemployment comp nor a rise in the minumun wage will have any effct on the reducing poverty. In fact the loss of jobs due to the rise in a minumum wage will likely increase poverty. As for the unemploymebnt ext, that is only offred because of all the jobs lost under Obama care. Trying to buy back votes.....


13 posted on 01/07/2014 11:19:57 PM PST by SECURE AMERICA (Where can I go to sign up for the American Revolution 2014 and the Crusades 2014?)
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To: Olog-hai

The problem with American Poverty is that it does not exist.

Your average poor person in America has it better than most kings and queens in the past. They sleep in warmer houses, on better beds, have 24 hour a day entertainment pumped into their residences, have better food, have better modes of transportation, better toilets, better clothes, cleaner underwear and to top it off, probably nobody is trying to assassinate them or poison them.

On top of everything else, they don’t have to live in constant fear of smallpox, measles, bubonic plague, and barbarians constantly trying to break down their gates.

In early America, most regular citizens lived like Les Stroud, foraging for food or going without. Throughout history the only people who were as well fed as America’s poor people, were kings and queens. And like Kings and Queens, they got their sustenance from the purses of people who had to work hard for what they made in order to feed those who had no use for hard work.

Now we want to extend unemployment benefits to those who refuse to work and to require employers to pay more to those who have no ambition beyond working a minimum wage job as a lifetime career choice.

The poor in America today have it better than the filthy rich had it just a few hundred years in the past.


14 posted on 01/07/2014 11:21:52 PM PST by P-Marlowe (There can be no Victory without a fight and no battle without wounds)
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To: Olog-hai

Yeah it does exist, it’s get the forking government out of the way of business so the economy can be good again.


15 posted on 01/07/2014 11:34:18 PM PST by Impy (RED=COMMUNIST, NOT REPUBLICAN)
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To: Olog-hai

And BTW the rats had total control from 1913-18, 1933-46 1949-52, 1961-68, 1977-80, 1993-94, and 2009-10. And they did jack shite to end poverty any of those times, so they should STFU. They want poor people’s votes, period, after that they can starve for all they care.


16 posted on 01/07/2014 11:38:07 PM PST by Impy (RED=COMMUNIST, NOT REPUBLICAN)
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To: Fee
Thank you, Fee.

Most "Keynesians" never read the final chapter of his books.

OK, spend now to increase the velocity of money in a crisis, like the Depression or WWII, but when the crisis is OVER, you STOP spending and PAY OFF the debt incurred.

Most "Keynesians" don't understand their own philosophy.

Keynes wasn't a commie, he understood that you can't just spend money infinitely.

Eventually the piper MUST be paid, and the piper is simply a product of simple math.

We are living in the end times, where the piper is by necessity asking for his dough back, and instead of correcting the problem, we are doubling down on stupidity.

BTW, whoever wrote the article for Business Insider is a nincompoop.

If Obama's policies are all that and a bag of chips, there shouldn't be a NEED for extension of unemployment benefits, should there?

17 posted on 01/07/2014 11:40:31 PM PST by boop (Liberal religion. No rules, just right!)
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To: Impy

Well yes; their efforts were geared towards increasing poverty (especially of character) so that they could increase their control.


18 posted on 01/07/2014 11:42:19 PM PST by Olog-hai
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To: Olog-hai
The Problem With The Republican Antipoverty Agenda Is That It Doesn't Exist

That would be its virtue, were it true.

19 posted on 01/07/2014 11:43:29 PM PST by dr_lew
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To: Olog-hai
Rich’s antipoverty agenda:

Feed the rich and obese to the poor and starving.


20 posted on 01/08/2014 12:06:36 AM PST by RichInOC (Palin 2016: The Perfect Storm.)
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To: faithhopecharity

Poverty can NEVER end when it is measured in percentages. The goal posts keep moving. Which is EXACTLY what the commies in government want.

“For the poor you have always with you: but Me you have not always.” Matthew 26:11


21 posted on 01/08/2014 12:08:15 AM PST by NTHockey (Rules of engagement #1: Take no prisoners. And to the NSA trolls, FU)
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To: P-Marlowe
As of comment #21, your comment and Washi 's comment #5 are the only signs of intelligence on this thread.
Every time a Devilcrat tries to divert the attention away from ObamaCare's FAILURES, tie the subject to it, and take them right back to it, showing how it seals from the poor and sends our jobs overseas.
Beat them to death with it.
Never trust LIEbralS and ProREgressives to frame any subject correctly.
All their options are false choices, so call them on it, and expose their LIES to all who will see and learn.
Those who won't or can't learn and admit the truth, can go to HELL !
Or are we already in HELL from the world the LIEbralS and ProREgressives have created ?
22 posted on 01/08/2014 12:24:23 AM PST by Yosemitest (It's Simple ! Fight, ... or Die !)
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Yet another Left-leaning article from BI...


23 posted on 01/08/2014 12:28:58 AM PST by Gene Eric (Don't be a statist!)
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To: Olog-hai

macroeconomic policies to promote full employment, such as deficit spending, infrastructure investment, and monetary stimulus. …

If that is the solution, why the hell do we have unemployment at all? I did not bother reading the full article that ended things for me.


24 posted on 01/08/2014 1:47:00 AM PST by pas
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To: Olog-hai
...Antipoverty Agenda...

What is "antipoverty?"

Is it called wealth? Economic growth? Jobs? Investments?

-PJ

25 posted on 01/08/2014 1:57:41 AM PST by Political Junkie Too (If you are the Posterity of We the People, then you are a Natural Born Citizen.)
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To: Political Junkie Too

The neologism itself makes it sound like it’s the antimatter version of poverty.


26 posted on 01/08/2014 2:06:02 AM PST by Olog-hai
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To: Olog-hai
Yes.

They are not opposites, as in poverty <--> wealth.

It's poverty <--> antipooverty.

So, what the heck is antipoverty? Will it explode if it touches poverty?

-PJ

27 posted on 01/08/2014 2:14:04 AM PST by Political Junkie Too (If you are the Posterity of We the People, then you are a Natural Born Citizen.)
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To: Olog-hai

Let me summarize. Democrat policies have increased the number of people in poverty and the Republicans have no plan to fix it that can overcome an 0bama veto should Harry Reid put that plan up for a vote in the Senate.


28 posted on 01/08/2014 2:29:58 AM PST by Conspiracy Guy (Did the ancients know they were ancients? Or did they see themselves as presents?)
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To: Olog-hai

I have no doubt that extending unemployment benefits and increasing the minimum wage will help people keep their jobs. Unfortunately the people who it will help are Democrat legislators and government bureaucrats.

These “Extended Unemployment Benefits” are a Democrat strategist’s dream come true: a long-term entitlement that has to be voted on every three months, so the Republicans can constantly be portrayed to increasingly dependent voters as cruel and heartless.


29 posted on 01/08/2014 2:50:16 AM PST by Junk Silver
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To: Olog-hai

communists spewing their evil which is derived from HELL ITSELF!


30 posted on 01/08/2014 4:19:16 AM PST by LibLieSlayer (FROM MY COLD, DEAD HANDS! BETTER DEAD THAN RED!)
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To: Olog-hai

Correct. Helping the poor is not the job of government, it is the job of communities and churches.


31 posted on 01/08/2014 4:24:09 AM PST by ez (Muslims do not play well with others.)
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To: Olog-hai
RE :”Unfortunately, Republicans also oppose macroeconomic policies to promote full employment, such as deficit spending, infrastructure investment, and monetary stimulus.”

We have had more than plenty of two of those three for the past 6 or so years.

When does it start working?

32 posted on 01/08/2014 4:56:14 AM PST by sickoflibs (Obama : 'If you like your Doctor you can keep him, PERIOD! Don't believe the GOPs warnings')
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To: Fee
You said...
“Here is how K suppose to work. Gov goes into deficit spending to meet a contingency such as depression or war. Once situation stabilizes and recover, the extra tax revenues generated are used to pay down and eliminate the debt.”

And you don't pile on entitlements that can never be paid for.

I just see no way out of this save for a major crisis that forces this. Even if conservatives were to win it all, I don't think the electorate has the stomach to actually do what needs to be done to get us out of this mess

33 posted on 01/08/2014 5:32:39 AM PST by LMAO ("Begging hands and Bleeding hearts will only cry out for more"...Anthem from Rush)
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To: Olog-hai

There is no Constitutional authority for the fedgov to be doing anything about poverty.

In fact I’d hazard to say that 99% of poverty in this country is caused by fedgov activity


34 posted on 01/08/2014 5:36:19 AM PST by John O (God Save America (Please))
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To: Impy
Yeah it does exist, it’s get the forking government out of the way of business so the economy can be good again.

Yes, in theory that's their plan, it doesn't "exist" in any meaningful sense till they do something about it. Pass bills (yes, I know The Won will veto them, but make him do it), be on the stump 24/7 dragging people out of bed and telling them you know what would fix this and Democrats won't let you.

Gin up some political pressure on them and be more in charge of setting the agenda and spend less time reacting to their agenda.

35 posted on 01/08/2014 8:28:41 AM PST by Still Thinking (Freedom is NOT a loophole!)
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To: Olog-hai
"We have an ideological plan" = good, letting markets work = bad.

Got it the first time, Joshing-Boy.

Leftist windbag.

36 posted on 01/08/2014 2:16:11 PM PST by lentulusgracchus
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To: Olog-hai

In theory, I’m in favor of ending the excess unemployment benefits. It has never been my experience that subsidizing something leads to less of it.

In practice, I’d consider extending unemployment. The trick is that I’d pay for it by repealing H.R. 3590 (111th) and hope no one notices until it’s signed by the usurper that H.R. 3590 (111th) is ObamaCare. I’ll happily take the financial waste under extended unemployment if in return we removed the great evil that was inflicted when that terrible bill was rammed through.


37 posted on 01/08/2014 3:41:31 PM PST by Pollster1 ("Shall not be infringed" is unambiguous.)
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