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HOLDER'S NEW SCHOOL DISCIPLINE GUIDELINES: STOP TARGETING MINORITIES
AP ^ | 8 Jan 2014 | KIMBERLY HEFLING

Posted on 01/08/2014 6:02:42 AM PST by 12th_Monkey

he Obama administration is issuing new recommendations on classroom discipline that seek to end the apparent disparities in how students of different races are punished for violating school rules.

Civil rights advocates have long said that a "school-to-prison" pipeline stems from overly zealous school discipline policies targeting black and Hispanic students that bring them out of school and into the court system.

Attorney General Eric Holder said the problem often stems from well intentioned "zero-tolerance" policies that too often inject the criminal justice system into the resolution of problems. Zero tolerance policies, a tool that became popular in the 1990s, often spell out uniform and swift punishment for offenses such as truancy, smoking or carrying a weapon. Violators can lose classroom time or become saddled with a criminal record.

"Ordinary troublemaking can sometimes provoke responses that are overly severe, including out of school suspensions, expulsions and even referral to law enforcement and then you end up with kids that end up in police precincts instead of the principal's office," Holder said.

In American schools, black students without disabilities were more than three times as likely as whites to be expelled or suspended, according to government civil rights data collection from 2011-2012. Although black students made up 15 percent of students in the data collection, they made up more than a third of students suspended once, 44 percent of those suspended more than once and more than a third of students expelled.

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TOPICS: Culture/Society; Government; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: bhodoj; blackmales; discipline; holder; mandatoryprofiling; minorities; minoritystudents; racialprofiling; racistholder; school; schooldiscipline; schoolle; teens; zerotolerance
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1 posted on 01/08/2014 6:02:42 AM PST by 12th_Monkey
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To: 12th_Monkey

Holder you are twisted

they don’t target minorities, they target bad behavior

if the minorities are the ones doing the dirt, they will be the ones paying the price

people are fed up with putting up with crap from people jsut because of their skin color


2 posted on 01/08/2014 6:08:45 AM PST by yldstrk (My heroes have always been cowboys)
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To: 12th_Monkey

The American people voted for Obama...they knew or should have known that he would appoint people that subscribed to the ultra-leftwing beliefs. And so, this is no surprise. I didn’t vote for any of this!


3 posted on 01/08/2014 6:09:21 AM PST by Blue Turtle
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To: 12th_Monkey

Don’t do the crime if you can’t do the time..................


4 posted on 01/08/2014 6:12:56 AM PST by Red Badger (Proud member of the Zeta Omicron Tau Fraternity since 2004...................)
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To: Blue Turtle

How long do you think it will take to get Jesse Jackson and Sharpton to get on this bandwagon?


5 posted on 01/08/2014 6:14:57 AM PST by DaveA37
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To: Progov

In 3 - 2 - 1 .....


6 posted on 01/08/2014 6:16:09 AM PST by Blue Turtle
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To: 12th_Monkey

They only ‘target’ the people who cause the problems, dumba$$ Holder

why is this douchenozzle still in office? Isn’t he being held in contempt? That should be grounds for immediate removal


7 posted on 01/08/2014 6:16:34 AM PST by Mr. K (If you like your constitution, you can keep it...Period.)
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To: 12th_Monkey

“Spare the rod, spoil the child” was a cautionary warning that the white majority in flyover country obeyed, with “Reading, ‘riting and ‘rithmetic, taught to the tune of a hickory stick” the prevailing method of assuring the natural tendencies of the young to rebel were overcome.

Yet for some reason, this method of introducing the more recent generations of “the young” to a degree of civilized behavior has been abandoned, with what the forefathers would have thought to be a reckless and foolish course of action. Trying to “understand” children without using discipline as necessary is an exercise in futility, as very quickly, they learn how to game the system.

The result is a bunch of feral children, disrespectful and even arrogant in their ignorance, challenging all authority, rightly or wrongly, but the challenge is based in physical terms, never on any intellectual grounds.


8 posted on 01/08/2014 6:18:53 AM PST by alloysteel (Those who deny natural climate change are forever doomed to stupidity. AGW is a LIE.)
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To: yldstrk

The left’s view of race is entirely twisted.
The left calls us racist because we expect everyone to comply with the same civilized standards of behavior,

and they somehow aren’t racist because they expect minorities to be incapable of living up to those standards.


9 posted on 01/08/2014 6:19:52 AM PST by MrB (The difference between a Humanist and a Satanist - the latter admits whom he's working for)
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To: 12th_Monkey

My wife just had a meeting on this.


10 posted on 01/08/2014 6:20:51 AM PST by redgolum ("God is dead" -- Nietzsche. "Nietzsche is dead" -- God.)
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To: alloysteel

Families have to be dismantled in order to deify Godgov.


11 posted on 01/08/2014 6:20:54 AM PST by MrB (The difference between a Humanist and a Satanist - the latter admits whom he's working for)
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To: 12th_Monkey

Around here white Americans are the minority. Does he mean them? Because they sure get pushed around and shunned, taken advantage of and by people that won’t speak English. That includes middle school kids as well as everyone


12 posted on 01/08/2014 6:21:01 AM PST by stanne
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To: yldstrk

I wade through the urban youts daily and can confirm beyond the shadow of a doubt, that it’s all on them.

Once upon a time many years ago, I was visiting an elementary school. To my surprise as I looked down the hall, the principal and the assistant principal were dragging “a person of color” down the hallway. Seems the little angel was disrupting the class and REFUSED to go to the principal. So they removed him.

Not to long ago I found myself in a class room, for about 15 minutes the teacher asked “a person of color” to sit down at his desk. he continued to stand and NOT do the work other kids were doing. The assistant principal eventually came and got the kid to sit down, but he refused to do the work and refused to respond to the teacher and AP when spoken to.

Sure, Iv’e seen whites missbehave, but it’s very rare.


13 posted on 01/08/2014 6:21:21 AM PST by 12th_Monkey (In an alternate universe Obama still dips ice cream)
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To: 12th_Monkey

people like holder, obama, sharpton, jackson all prove what lincoln once said about the two ethnic groups living together on this continent...it won’t work.

in this way I almost envy Japan. 95% Japanese still.


14 posted on 01/08/2014 6:22:46 AM PST by ealgeone (obama, border)
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To: Blue Turtle

Obama being elected is why we have the “knockout game”, flash mobs and whatever else. Why? Because they have a friend(s) in high places now and rules don’t apply


15 posted on 01/08/2014 6:23:28 AM PST by 12th_Monkey (In an alternate universe Obama still dips ice cream)
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To: 12th_Monkey

In order to say that the disparities are due to unfair disciplinary actions,
you have to be able to defend the premise that a teenage Asian girl is just as likely to cause trouble as a teenage black boy.


16 posted on 01/08/2014 6:23:32 AM PST by MrB (The difference between a Humanist and a Satanist - the latter admits whom he's working for)
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To: Mr. K

he should be gone because of gun runner, but he’s not. Why? Cowardly Republicans don’t want to be seen beating up a “person of color”


17 posted on 01/08/2014 6:25:06 AM PST by 12th_Monkey (In an alternate universe Obama still dips ice cream)
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To: alloysteel

the root, like all children, goes back to their parents. My kids were prepared to go to school, there is discipline in my house, so good behavior in school was expected.

That isn’t the standard in certain “communities” so your use of “feral” is spot on.

“and thats all I got to say about that”


18 posted on 01/08/2014 6:28:25 AM PST by 12th_Monkey (In an alternate universe Obama still dips ice cream)
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To: Progov

As soon as the checks clear and the money is in their accounts.

No checks, no rent a mob.


19 posted on 01/08/2014 6:28:46 AM PST by chiefqc
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To: redgolum

Really....?

care to disclose details???


20 posted on 01/08/2014 6:29:04 AM PST by 12th_Monkey (In an alternate universe Obama still dips ice cream)
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To: stanne

in today’s America that is acceptable. It’s acceptable because we take it and seldom push back


21 posted on 01/08/2014 6:30:25 AM PST by 12th_Monkey (In an alternate universe Obama still dips ice cream)
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To: 12th_Monkey

Which is why he has NOT been fired for his incompetence.


22 posted on 01/08/2014 6:30:35 AM PST by Blue Turtle
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To: 12th_Monkey

gibsmedat !


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23 posted on 01/08/2014 6:31:37 AM PST by tomkat (you'll know when it's time)
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To: ealgeone

A unified culture is stronger than a diverse on. The saying “diversity is our strength” is a lie among lies


24 posted on 01/08/2014 6:31:58 AM PST by 12th_Monkey (In an alternate universe Obama still dips ice cream)
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To: Mr. K

douchenozzle

LOL

but enemanozzle is more fitting! (pun intended!)


25 posted on 01/08/2014 6:32:43 AM PST by jimmyo57
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To: Blue Turtle

yep, preaching to the choir


26 posted on 01/08/2014 6:33:23 AM PST by 12th_Monkey (In an alternate universe Obama still dips ice cream)
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To: 12th_Monkey

I push back all the time. The other minorities (white Americans) treat me with loathing for it

They don’t perceive the oppression

White guilt? Depending on the military to be the only ones to fight for us ?


27 posted on 01/08/2014 6:33:52 AM PST by stanne
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To: tomkat

I be owed


28 posted on 01/08/2014 6:34:13 AM PST by 12th_Monkey (In an alternate universe Obama still dips ice cream)
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To: stanne

good, keep pushing back. Perhaps others will learn from your example.


29 posted on 01/08/2014 6:35:28 AM PST by 12th_Monkey (In an alternate universe Obama still dips ice cream)
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To: 12th_Monkey

This school of thought is consistent with the malignant principle of “de facto discrimination” on which liberals have supped for the last 30 or more years. If the percentages aren’t the same as the percentages in the population then there must be discrimination. Conservatives say, “If you did the crime do the time”. Or hire blind teachers.


30 posted on 01/08/2014 6:39:12 AM PST by Inwoodian
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To: 12th_Monkey

It’s going to take us decades to undo the damage brought onto us by the Øbozo regime.


31 posted on 01/08/2014 6:41:20 AM PST by rockrr (Everything is different now...)
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To: 12th_Monkey

So many potentially great teachers who want to be teachers don’t, because of this stupidity.


32 posted on 01/08/2014 6:42:21 AM PST by mom.mom
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To: 12th_Monkey
The prevalence of zero tolerance policies is from previous accusations of racism. You have to give a student who brings a steak knife with lunch the same penalty as someone who pulls a switchblade in class to avoid any accusations of disparate treatment. Now Holder is demanding disparate treatment if "favor" of minorities. And I say "favor" because not punishing and removing the troublemakers is damaging the education of the rest of the students, thus dragging down even those who still want to learn.
33 posted on 01/08/2014 6:42:31 AM PST by KarlInOhio (Everyone get online for Obamacare on 10/1. Overload the system and crash it hard!)
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To: rockrr

100% agree. I’m not sure, considering the people in office, if anything can be fixed


34 posted on 01/08/2014 6:44:27 AM PST by 12th_Monkey (In an alternate universe Obama still dips ice cream)
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To: mom.mom

My kid is a teacher, so far so good, but it’s never a question of if, but of when one flips out.


35 posted on 01/08/2014 6:45:52 AM PST by 12th_Monkey (In an alternate universe Obama still dips ice cream)
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To: KarlInOhio

at the root of it all is discipline. None at home, no preparation for learning takes place, just running amok until it’s time to send them off to gov’mnt baby sitter for 13-14 years.

It’s no wonder we lag the world in test scores. Education has been reduced to the lowest denominator.


36 posted on 01/08/2014 6:49:09 AM PST by 12th_Monkey (In an alternate universe Obama still dips ice cream)
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To: 12th_Monkey

I wholeheartedly agree.


37 posted on 01/08/2014 6:50:43 AM PST by ealgeone (obama, border)
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To: 12th_Monkey
Yes Eric keep those black kids ignorant,that is the only way you and the commie Muslim can control them..
38 posted on 01/08/2014 6:58:57 AM PST by PLD
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To: 12th_Monkey

If Holder and Obama can’t gin up a race war before the end of his presidency they are toast!


39 posted on 01/08/2014 7:07:32 AM PST by Steamburg (Other people's money is the only language a politician respects)
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To: 12th_Monkey

E pluribus unum.

It actually is reality.
Diversity is strength is Orwellian doublespeak.


40 posted on 01/08/2014 7:21:29 AM PST by bill1952 (Choice is an illusion created between those with power - and those without)
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To: 12th_Monkey
Pretty much what the article said. They are blind told to understand the view of the African American kids (not the African immigrants, of which she has many).

In short, things that may seem “normal” are viewed as racists, and disrespectful. Discipline needs to be “balanced” according to the kids culture.

She was a bit amused. The guy was from Texas, and grew up in the civil rights era. He had seen a lot. My bride invited him to come to her class room, but he was rather offended that a white woman would stand up to him.

We are thinking of moving by the way.

41 posted on 01/08/2014 7:25:04 AM PST by redgolum ("God is dead" -- Nietzsche. "Nietzsche is dead" -- God.)
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To: 12th_Monkey
“Ordinary troublemaking”

What criminal acts does Holder consider ‘ordinary troublemaking’? The Knockout Game? And if a white kid behaved the way some minority kids act, would Holder be there defending him/her? Of course not. This country has been paralyzed by the ‘racist’ epithet and will buckle under in it's face. That is the reason our schools, malls, etc, have become battlegrounds for feral youths and decent people. And we have an AG who ignores the criminal activity.

42 posted on 01/08/2014 7:26:05 AM PST by originalbuckeye
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To: bill1952

I have been saying for decades, we need to celebrate our COMMONALITY. It is what binds us together. But those in power seek to divide us at every turn. That way, while we are all fighting with each other, they can continue to destroy from within.


43 posted on 01/08/2014 7:28:05 AM PST by originalbuckeye
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To: redgolum

blind=being.

Sorry.


44 posted on 01/08/2014 7:30:56 AM PST by redgolum ("God is dead" -- Nietzsche. "Nietzsche is dead" -- God.)
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To: 12th_Monkey

Why is it all I see on the news about school zero-tolerance suspensions are 5-7 yr olds making guns out of fingers, poptarts in shape of a gun, little girl having a plastic knife for her sack lunch sandwich spread etc etc ? None of these examples yet has been showed on the newz as holders poor disadvantaged youts. Last news I saw of one of holders bros was the 14yr old poor boy that killed his match teacher.


45 posted on 01/08/2014 7:33:00 AM PST by redcatcherb412
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To: redcatcherb412

lol .. match=math


46 posted on 01/08/2014 7:33:58 AM PST by redcatcherb412
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To: 12th_Monkey

Maybe they can set up a crack and heroin dispensary? Private rooms to entertain their ladies. Beer on tap. Skittles, Arizona tea, Xbox gaming rooms would get them to go and stay in school.

(Do I need to say it?)


47 posted on 01/08/2014 7:37:34 AM PST by listenhillary (Courts, law enforcement, roads and national defense should be the extent of government)
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To: 12th_Monkey
"Civil rights advocates have long said that a "school-to-prison" pipeline stems from overly zealous school discipline policies targeting black and Hispanic students that bring them out of school and into the court system."

No, the "pipeline" may be the consequence of federal and state education policy, not those described here.

As early as the Year 1886, a courageous man named Zacharias Montgomery wrote a book, documented with actual government statistics to that date, objecting to what he called the "anti-parental" government school system which was being pushed and promoted. He even had a Chapter II entitled "Crime in the Parental and Anti-Parental School States Compared. He wrote the book in defense of his position, because he had been denied by the U. S. Senate a high position in government because of his objection to the "public school" movement promoted by "liberals" of his day (now calling themselves "progressives").

Anyone who speaks out against the Dept. of Education and all of the other multitudinous bureaucracies that control the propagandizing of children today in the name of "educating" them must be willing to be marginalized by the media and politicians, as was the case in 1886 when Montgomery laid out his case.

You will read some of his words below.

With that said, those who love liberty must be willing to come forward to declare that it is better to be remembered for standing on and articulating enduring principles of right versus wrong, liberty versus tyranny, than to be praised by the mainstream media and so-called "progressives."

The book was titled, "Poison Drops in the United States Senate . . . ." Although his treatise dealt primarily with the public school question, the following remarks might be helpful to those who, today, are concerned by what passes for "public education" and may be hesitant to endure the certain questioning of their principles and intent.

Excerpts from Zacharias Montgomery:

"My countrymen, disguise the fact as we may, there is in this country to-day, and in both the political Parties, an element which is ripe for a centralized despotism. There are men and corporations of vast wealth, whose iron grasp spans this whole continent, and who find it more difficult and more expensive to corrupt thirty odd State Legislatures than one Federal Congress. It was said of Nero of old that he wished the Roman people had but one head, so that he might cut it off at a single blow. And so it is with those moneyed kings who would rule this country through bribery, fraud, and intimidation.

"It is easy to see how, with all the powers of government centered at Washington in one Federal head, they could at a single stroke put an end to American liberty.

"But they well understand that before striking this blow the minds of the people must be prepared to receive it. And what surer or safer preparation could possibly be made than is now being made, by indoctrinating the minds of the rising generation with the idea that ours is already a consolidated government ; that the States of the Union have no sovereignty which is not subordinate to the will and pleasure of the Federal head, and that our Constitution is the mere creature of custom, and may therefore be legally altered or abolished by custom.

"Such are a few of the pernicious and poisonous doctrines which ten millions of American children are today drinking in with the very definitions of the words they are compelled to study. And yet the man who dares to utter a word of warning of the approaching danger is stigmatized as an enemy to education and unfit to be men tioned as a candidate for the humblest office.

"Be it so. Viewing this great question as I do, not for all the offices in the gift of the American people would I shrink from an open and candid avowal of my sentiments. If I have learned anything from the reading of history, it is that the man who, in violation of great principles, toils for temporary fame, purchases for himself either total oblivion or eternal infamy, while he who temporarily goes down battling for right principles always deserves, and generally secures, the gratitude of succeeding ages, and will carry with him the sustaining solace of a clean conscience, more precious than all the offices and honors in the gift of man.

"History tells us that Aristides was voted into banishment because he was just. Yet who would not a thousand times rather today be Aristides than be numbered amongst the proudest of his persecutors.

"Socrates, too, in violation of every principle of justice, was con demned to a dungeon and to death. Yet what name is more honored in history than his? And which of his unjust judges would not gladly, hide himself in the utter darkness of oblivion from the with ering scorn and contempt of all mankind ?

"From the noble example of Aristides and of Socrates let American statesmen learn wisdom, and from the undying infamy of their cow ardly time-serving persecutors let political demagogues of today take warning."

So said Zacharias Montgomery in 1886. Read his complete work at HERE.

Anyone who reads his complete volume will realize this man's ability to see the consequences of what his fellow Americans were advocating in the area of education of youth.

48 posted on 01/08/2014 8:39:17 AM PST by loveliberty2
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To: redcatcherb412

One of the reasons behind the implementation of zero tolerance policies was to ensnare the kids that DON’T get into trouble.


49 posted on 01/08/2014 8:43:37 AM PST by MrB (The difference between a Humanist and a Satanist - the latter admits whom he's working for)
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To: yldstrk

The productive white community calls such behavior criminal.

The Holder black community calls it ‘Ordinary troublemaking”.

There is a severe difference in such definitions.


50 posted on 01/08/2014 9:44:50 AM PST by ridesthemiles
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