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HOLDER'S NEW SCHOOL DISCIPLINE GUIDELINES: STOP TARGETING MINORITIES
AP ^ | 8 Jan 2014 | KIMBERLY HEFLING

Posted on 01/08/2014 6:02:42 AM PST by 12th_Monkey

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To: 12th_Monkey
Pretty much what the article said. They are blind told to understand the view of the African American kids (not the African immigrants, of which she has many).

In short, things that may seem “normal” are viewed as racists, and disrespectful. Discipline needs to be “balanced” according to the kids culture.

She was a bit amused. The guy was from Texas, and grew up in the civil rights era. He had seen a lot. My bride invited him to come to her class room, but he was rather offended that a white woman would stand up to him.

We are thinking of moving by the way.

41 posted on 01/08/2014 7:25:04 AM PST by redgolum ("God is dead" -- Nietzsche. "Nietzsche is dead" -- God.)
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To: 12th_Monkey
“Ordinary troublemaking”

What criminal acts does Holder consider ‘ordinary troublemaking’? The Knockout Game? And if a white kid behaved the way some minority kids act, would Holder be there defending him/her? Of course not. This country has been paralyzed by the ‘racist’ epithet and will buckle under in it's face. That is the reason our schools, malls, etc, have become battlegrounds for feral youths and decent people. And we have an AG who ignores the criminal activity.

42 posted on 01/08/2014 7:26:05 AM PST by originalbuckeye
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To: bill1952

I have been saying for decades, we need to celebrate our COMMONALITY. It is what binds us together. But those in power seek to divide us at every turn. That way, while we are all fighting with each other, they can continue to destroy from within.


43 posted on 01/08/2014 7:28:05 AM PST by originalbuckeye
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To: redgolum

blind=being.

Sorry.


44 posted on 01/08/2014 7:30:56 AM PST by redgolum ("God is dead" -- Nietzsche. "Nietzsche is dead" -- God.)
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To: 12th_Monkey

Why is it all I see on the news about school zero-tolerance suspensions are 5-7 yr olds making guns out of fingers, poptarts in shape of a gun, little girl having a plastic knife for her sack lunch sandwich spread etc etc ? None of these examples yet has been showed on the newz as holders poor disadvantaged youts. Last news I saw of one of holders bros was the 14yr old poor boy that killed his match teacher.


45 posted on 01/08/2014 7:33:00 AM PST by redcatcherb412
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To: redcatcherb412

lol .. match=math


46 posted on 01/08/2014 7:33:58 AM PST by redcatcherb412
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To: 12th_Monkey

Maybe they can set up a crack and heroin dispensary? Private rooms to entertain their ladies. Beer on tap. Skittles, Arizona tea, Xbox gaming rooms would get them to go and stay in school.

(Do I need to say it?)


47 posted on 01/08/2014 7:37:34 AM PST by listenhillary (Courts, law enforcement, roads and national defense should be the extent of government)
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To: 12th_Monkey
"Civil rights advocates have long said that a "school-to-prison" pipeline stems from overly zealous school discipline policies targeting black and Hispanic students that bring them out of school and into the court system."

No, the "pipeline" may be the consequence of federal and state education policy, not those described here.

As early as the Year 1886, a courageous man named Zacharias Montgomery wrote a book, documented with actual government statistics to that date, objecting to what he called the "anti-parental" government school system which was being pushed and promoted. He even had a Chapter II entitled "Crime in the Parental and Anti-Parental School States Compared. He wrote the book in defense of his position, because he had been denied by the U. S. Senate a high position in government because of his objection to the "public school" movement promoted by "liberals" of his day (now calling themselves "progressives").

Anyone who speaks out against the Dept. of Education and all of the other multitudinous bureaucracies that control the propagandizing of children today in the name of "educating" them must be willing to be marginalized by the media and politicians, as was the case in 1886 when Montgomery laid out his case.

You will read some of his words below.

With that said, those who love liberty must be willing to come forward to declare that it is better to be remembered for standing on and articulating enduring principles of right versus wrong, liberty versus tyranny, than to be praised by the mainstream media and so-called "progressives."

The book was titled, "Poison Drops in the United States Senate . . . ." Although his treatise dealt primarily with the public school question, the following remarks might be helpful to those who, today, are concerned by what passes for "public education" and may be hesitant to endure the certain questioning of their principles and intent.

Excerpts from Zacharias Montgomery:

"My countrymen, disguise the fact as we may, there is in this country to-day, and in both the political Parties, an element which is ripe for a centralized despotism. There are men and corporations of vast wealth, whose iron grasp spans this whole continent, and who find it more difficult and more expensive to corrupt thirty odd State Legislatures than one Federal Congress. It was said of Nero of old that he wished the Roman people had but one head, so that he might cut it off at a single blow. And so it is with those moneyed kings who would rule this country through bribery, fraud, and intimidation.

"It is easy to see how, with all the powers of government centered at Washington in one Federal head, they could at a single stroke put an end to American liberty.

"But they well understand that before striking this blow the minds of the people must be prepared to receive it. And what surer or safer preparation could possibly be made than is now being made, by indoctrinating the minds of the rising generation with the idea that ours is already a consolidated government ; that the States of the Union have no sovereignty which is not subordinate to the will and pleasure of the Federal head, and that our Constitution is the mere creature of custom, and may therefore be legally altered or abolished by custom.

"Such are a few of the pernicious and poisonous doctrines which ten millions of American children are today drinking in with the very definitions of the words they are compelled to study. And yet the man who dares to utter a word of warning of the approaching danger is stigmatized as an enemy to education and unfit to be men tioned as a candidate for the humblest office.

"Be it so. Viewing this great question as I do, not for all the offices in the gift of the American people would I shrink from an open and candid avowal of my sentiments. If I have learned anything from the reading of history, it is that the man who, in violation of great principles, toils for temporary fame, purchases for himself either total oblivion or eternal infamy, while he who temporarily goes down battling for right principles always deserves, and generally secures, the gratitude of succeeding ages, and will carry with him the sustaining solace of a clean conscience, more precious than all the offices and honors in the gift of man.

"History tells us that Aristides was voted into banishment because he was just. Yet who would not a thousand times rather today be Aristides than be numbered amongst the proudest of his persecutors.

"Socrates, too, in violation of every principle of justice, was con demned to a dungeon and to death. Yet what name is more honored in history than his? And which of his unjust judges would not gladly, hide himself in the utter darkness of oblivion from the with ering scorn and contempt of all mankind ?

"From the noble example of Aristides and of Socrates let American statesmen learn wisdom, and from the undying infamy of their cow ardly time-serving persecutors let political demagogues of today take warning."

So said Zacharias Montgomery in 1886. Read his complete work at HERE.

Anyone who reads his complete volume will realize this man's ability to see the consequences of what his fellow Americans were advocating in the area of education of youth.

48 posted on 01/08/2014 8:39:17 AM PST by loveliberty2
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To: redcatcherb412

One of the reasons behind the implementation of zero tolerance policies was to ensnare the kids that DON’T get into trouble.


49 posted on 01/08/2014 8:43:37 AM PST by MrB (The difference between a Humanist and a Satanist - the latter admits whom he's working for)
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To: yldstrk

The productive white community calls such behavior criminal.

The Holder black community calls it ‘Ordinary troublemaking”.

There is a severe difference in such definitions.


50 posted on 01/08/2014 9:44:50 AM PST by ridesthemiles
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To: 12th_Monkey
In American schools, black students without disabilities were more than three times as likely as whites to be expelled or suspended, according to government civil rights data collection from 2011-2012. Although black students made up 15 percent of students in the data collection, they made up more than a third of students suspended once, 44 percent of those suspended more than once and more than a third of students expelled.

The number of black students expelled or suspended would be MUCH HIGHER if teachers weren't afraid of PC poverty pimps, their local union and the liberal press.

The reason more black teens are suspended and arrested is because they're MORE VIOLENT... and less self disciplined. (not all - but as a percentage).

Ask the black community: What the hell is wrong with the way you're raising your kids?

Black parents need to look at themselves... and answer honestly. And I don't mean give the mealy answers white liberal elites have handed them about being victims. I talking about the truth.

Why do black teens act up and ruin the leaning environment for kids who do want to learn? Why do they pull down the chances for black kids who want to succeed in school?

Are there any responsible people in the black community who can look into this?

51 posted on 01/08/2014 9:45:33 AM PST by GOPJ ("Remember who the real enemy is... ")
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To: 12th_Monkey
In American schools, black students without disabilities were more than three times as likely as whites to be expelled or suspended, according to government civil rights data collection from 2011-2012. Although black students made up 15 percent of students in the data collection, they made up more than a third of students suspended once, 44 percent of those suspended more than once and more than a third of students expelled.

The number of black students expelled or suspended would be MUCH HIGHER if teachers weren't afraid of PC poverty pimps, their local union and the liberal press.

The reason more black teens are suspended and arrested is because they're MORE VIOLENT... and less self disciplined. (not all - but as a percentage).

Ask the black community: What the hell is wrong with the way you're raising your kids?

Black parents need to look at themselves... and answer honestly. And I don't mean give the mealy answers white liberal elites have handed them about being victims. I talking about the truth.

Why do black teens act up and ruin the leaning environment for kids who do want to learn? Why do they pull down the chances for black kids who want to succeed in school?

Are there any responsible people in the black community who can look into this?

Think about it KIMBERLY HEFLING

52 posted on 01/08/2014 9:45:59 AM PST by GOPJ ("Remember who the real enemy is... ")
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To: 12th_Monkey

This comment from a black guy: okay, I’m going out on a limb but... doesn’t what Holder want scream for...re-segregation?

Or am I reading something wrong?


53 posted on 01/08/2014 10:11:27 AM PST by jimjohn (You don't get the kind of government you want, or the kind you need. You get the kind you deserve.)
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To: bill1952

just about everything that pops out the butt of those two is Orwellian


54 posted on 01/08/2014 10:46:10 AM PST by 12th_Monkey (In an alternate universe Obama still dips ice cream)
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To: redgolum

our local school district, which is considered inner city had a speaker come address the staff. being the place is ran by minorities, they invited one of their own. he proceeded to tell the teachers, mostly white, that it was their fault minorities scored poorly. Couple of friends of mine got up and walked out.

What education those kids get in my local district is from the competent white teachers. One thing I agree with some of the black leadership on is going back to segregation.
While it fiscally impossible, I’d still be all in for it.


55 posted on 01/08/2014 10:53:13 AM PST by 12th_Monkey (In an alternate universe Obama still dips ice cream)
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To: originalbuckeye

Thats why I think more people are turning to homeschooling and schools run by churches (not the chicken place).


56 posted on 01/08/2014 10:57:31 AM PST by 12th_Monkey (In an alternate universe Obama still dips ice cream)
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To: listenhillary

schools already give money, bikes and other stuff to keep kids in school. Local middle school has a wake up service to make sure parents get their kids to school on time.

I took a picture of the sign because I HAD to send it to a friend of mine.....lol, all he could say was “good god!”


57 posted on 01/08/2014 11:00:50 AM PST by 12th_Monkey (In an alternate universe Obama still dips ice cream)
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To: loveliberty2

I’m speechless....thanks for your addition. I’m stunned by this because it goes back to 1886, I can’t believe that this BS goes back that far.

I’m passing that selection on to some educator friends of mine.


58 posted on 01/08/2014 11:08:00 AM PST by 12th_Monkey (In an alternate universe Obama still dips ice cream)
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To: GOPJ

I know what your saying, i’ve seen it up close an personal. I’m repeating myself here, but it goes back to the parents. My kids were prepared to go to school, prepared to behave and prepared to learn.
I’m sorry to speak the truth here, but the blacks and the browns DO NOT prepare their kids to function in a disciplined and educational environment. Not say all, but the vast majority do not. The proof is in the test score, the proof is in the discipline reports.
Some may say i’m a racist, but it isn’t racist if it’s the truth. It isn’t racist IF you have seen it first hand.
Truth is ugly, some folks just need to deal with it.....


59 posted on 01/08/2014 11:19:02 AM PST by 12th_Monkey (In an alternate universe Obama still dips ice cream)
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To: jimjohn

It’s been proposed before by the unelected black leadership. It’s fiscally impossible to run two school system.


60 posted on 01/08/2014 11:21:15 AM PST by 12th_Monkey (In an alternate universe Obama still dips ice cream)
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