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AP ^ | 8 Jan 2014 | KIMBERLY HEFLING

Posted on 01/08/2014 6:02:42 AM PST by 12th_Monkey

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To: 12th_Monkey

Just ONE of the many reasons I pulled up stakes out of Florida was the Schools.

The Blacks, (males most of them), would so disrupt the classrooms that the other kids could not learn. Eventually they moved them all to ‘special’ classes where they just watched TV all day, ‘Educational stuff’ I’m told.

But to discipline them brought on a whole world of trouble from the parents and civil rights types. The worst though were disciplined and many of them did go into the Straight to jail track for disruptive students.

61 posted on 01/08/2014 11:57:54 AM PST by The Working Man
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To: yldstrk
they don't target minorities, they target bad behavior

They don't even do that. Minorities are given a lot of cultural allowance in the classroom. It becomes a real issue when these li'l darlin's get transferred into schools out of their neighborhoods. The tolerance of their behavior, the parent conferences and excuses, the accomodations for "special needs", the language many bring with them will disrupt any classroom if there is a number large enough so they can't be separated.

Of course, there are minority students who want to excel. But if the minority-ghetto culture takes over, those students tend to give up in the classroom and learn by themselves at home. They don't stand up to their fellow minority bullies. That's been my observation, and that's what Holder should be targeting. That thug culture does not belong in the classroom.

62 posted on 01/08/2014 12:07:55 PM PST by grania
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To: 12th_Monkey
Thank you for your response!

To read this book, considering the date of 1886, as you pointed out, is to approach an understanding of the great problems our nation faces today and their relationship to the mid-to-late-1800's "liberal" ("Progressive") determination and stubbornly coercive effort to turn America away from its founding principles and to re-form it on a counterfeit set of ideas.

Having just re-read the final pages, beginning on P. 135, one realizes that his words aptly apply to today.

You say you are "stunned" by this book's contents, because of the date. There are, indeed, other writers from the late 1800's from various disciplines who are equally stunning in their remarkable ability to perceive and articulate what the then-described "liberals" were declaring and carrying out in their "transformation" process.

One was "Centennial Thanksgiving Sermon," delivered in November 1876, by an Ohio Black Legislator and A.M.E. Minister, Benjamin W. Arnett.

The so-called "progressive" agenda has, for decades, sought to replace the founding concept of Creator-endowed individual rights, liberty and laws to protect that liberty with their own false concept of imperfect persons in government assuming the role of the "Supreme Being."

The electorate must become educated to these competing ideas and rediscover America's Founding principles, which can enable them to recognize which are true ideas of liberty, and which are counterfeit ideas of tyranny. That is not easy.

In 2008, Michael Ledeen, on another subject altogether, wrote of the degree to which Americans have been "dumbed down" on some basic ideas underlying our freedom:

Ledeen said, "Our educational system has long since banished religion from its texts, and an amazing number of Americans are intellectually unprepared for a discussion in which religion is the central organizing principle."

In the Pope's speech in Germany a few years ago, he observed:

"A reason which is deaf to the divine and which relegates religion into the realm of subcultures is incapable of entering into the dialogue of cultures."

Ledeen put his finger on a problem that stifles meaningful dialogue and debate in America on a number of subjects--as is now exhibited in the discussion on the causes and solutions to acts of violence such as that in Newtown. Censors [disguised as "protectors" (the Radical Left's ACLU, NEA, education bureaucracies, etc., etc.)] have imposed their limited understanding of liberty upon generations of school children.

From America's founding to the 1950's, ideas derived from religious literature were included in textbooks, through the poetry and prose used to teach children to read and to identify with their world and their country.

Suddenly, those ideas began to disappear from textbooks, until now, faceless, mindless copy editors sit in cubicles in the nation's textbook publishing companies, instructed by their supervisors to remove mere words that refer to family, to the Divine, and to any of the ancient ideas that have sustained intelligent discourse for centuries.

Now, it is the ACLU which accuses middle Americans of "censorship" if they object to books, films, etc., that offend their sensibilities and undermine the character training of their young. Sadly, many of those books and films are themselves products of the minds that have been robbed of exposure to wisdom literature in the nation's schools and universities.

Back in 1876, a Black Minister and Ohio State Legislator, Rev. Benjamin W. Arnett, delivered the "Centennial Thanksgiving Sermon," celebrating the Declaration of Independence, at St. Paul A.M.E. Church in Urbana, Ohio. The Sermon can be read online at the American Memory Section of the LOC, in the African-American Collection. Below is a small excerpt from that Sermon's conclusion. In it Rev. Arnett warned about a movement among "liberals" to remove the ideas underlying America's founding documents. See if you don't recognize those ideas from what you have observed in recent years:

"The Danger to our Country.

"Now that our national glory and grandeur is principally derived from the position the fathers took on the great questions of right and wrong, and the career of this nation has been unparalleled in the history of the past, now there are those who are demanding the tearing down the strength of our national fabric. They may not intend to tear it down, but just as sure as they have their way, just that sure will they undermine our superstructure and cause the greatest calamity of the age. What are the demands of this party of men? Just look at it and examine it for yourselves, and see if you are willing that they shall have their way; or will you still assist in keeping the ship of state in the hands of the same crew and run her by the old gospel chart! But ye men who think there is no danger listen to the demands of the Liberals as they choose to call themselves:

"'Organize! Liberals of America! The hour for action has arrived. The cause of freedom calls upon us to combine our strength, our zeal, our efforts. These are The Demands of Liberalism:

"'1. We demand that churches and other ecclesiastical property shall no longer be exempt from just taxation.

"'2. We demand that the employment of chaplains in Congress, in State Legislatures, in the navy and militia, and in prisons, asylums, and all other institutions supported by public money, shall be discontinued.

"'3. We demand that all public appropriations for sectarian educational and charitable institutions shall cease.

"'4. We demand that all religious services now sustained by the government shall be abolished; and especially that the use of the Bible in the public schools, whether ostensibly as a text-book or avowedly as a book of religious worship, shall be prohibited.

"'5. We demand that the appointment, by the President of the United States or by the Governors of the various States, of all religious festivals and fasts shall wholly cease.

"'6. We demand that the judicial oath in the courts and in all other departments of the government shall be abolished, and that simple affirmation under the pains and penalties of perjury shall be established in its stead.

"'7. We demand that all laws directly or indirectly enforcing the observance of Sunday as the Sabbath shall be repealed.

"'8. We demand that all laws looking to the enforcement of “Christian” morality shall be abrogated, and that all laws shall be conformed to the requirements of natural morality, equal rights, and impartial liberty.

"'9. We demand that not only in the Constitution of the United States and of the several States, but also in the practical administration of the same, no privilege or advantage shall be conceded to Christianity or any other special religion; that our entire political system shall be founded and administered on a purely secular basis; and that whatever changes shall prove necessary to this end shall be consistently, unflinchingly, and promptly made.'

"'Let us boldly and with high purpose meet the duty of the hour.'

"Now we must not think that we have nothing to do in this great work, for the men who are at the head of this movement are men of culture and intelligence, and many of them are men of influence. They are led by that thinker and scholar, F. E. Abbott, than whom I know but few men who has a smoother pen, or who is his equal on the battle-field of thought. He says in an address on the duty of his leagues:

"'My answer may be a negative one to all who see nothing positive in the idea of liberty. The conviction I refer to is this: that, regarded as a theological system, Christianity is Superstition, and, regarded as an organized institution, Christianity is Slavery. The purpose I refer to is this: that, whether regarded as theological system, Christianity shall wholly cease to exercise influence in political matters. Although the national Constitution is strictly secular and non-Christian, there are many things in the practical administration of the government which violate its spirit, and constitute a virtual recognition of Christianity as the national religion. These violations are very dangerous; they are on the increase; they more and more give Christianity a practical hold upon the government; they directly tend to strengthen the influence of Christianity over the people, and to fortify it both as a theology and a church; and they are therefore justly viewed with growing indignation by liberals. Not unreasonably are they looked upon as paving the way to a formidable effort to carry the Christian Amendment to the Constitution; and the liberals are beginning to see that they must extinguish the conflagration in its commencement. I believe all this myself, with more intense conviction every day; and therefore I appeal frankly to the people to begin now to lay the foundations of a great National Party of Freedom. It is not a moment too soon. If the liberals are wise, they will see the facts as they are, and act accordingly. Not with hostility, bitterness, defiance, or anger but rather with love to all men and high faith in the beneficence of consistently republican institutions, do I urge them most earnestly to begin the work at once.'

"He acknowledges that this is a religious nation and wants all men to assist him in eliminating the grand old granite principles from the framework of our national union. Will you do it freeman; will we sell the temple reared at the cost of so much precious blood and treasure? These men would have us turn back the hands on the clock of our national progress, and stay the shadow on the dial plate of our christian civilization; they would have us call a retreat to the soldiers in the army of Christ; the banner of the cross they would have us haul down, and reverse the engines of war against sin and crime; the songs of Zion they would turn into discord, and for the harmony and the melody of the sons of God, they would give us general confusion; they would have us chain the forces of virtue and unloose the elements of vice; they would have the nation loose its moorings from the Lord of truth and experience and commit interest, morally, socially; religiously and politically to the unsafe and unreliable human reason; they would discharge God and his crew and run the ship of State by the light of reason, which has always been but a dim taper in the world, and all the foot-prints it has left are marked with the blood of men, women and children. No nation is safe when left alone with reason.

"But we have no notion of giving up the contest without a struggle or a battle. We are aware that there is a great commotion in the world of thought. Religion and science are at arms length contending with all their forces for the mastery. Faith and unbelief are fighting their old battles over again, everything that can be shaken is shaking. The foundations of belief are assaulted by the army of science and men are changing their opinions. New and starting theories are promulgated to the world; old truths are putting on new garbs. Error is dressing in the latest style, wrong is secured by the unholy alliances, changes in men and things, revolution in church and state, Empires are crumbling, Kingdoms tottering; everywhere the change is seen. In the social circle, in the school house, in the pulpit and in the pews. But amid all the changes are revolutions their are some things that are unchangeable, unmovable and enduring. The forces that underline the vital power of Christianity are the same yesterday, to-day, to-morrow and forever more. They are like their God, who is omnipotent, immovable and eternal, and everywhere truth has marched it has left its moccasin tracks." - (End of Excerpt from "Righteousness Exalteth a Nation, but Sin is a Reproach to Any People")

So said Rev. Benjamin Arnett in 1876. Where is the leader who will declare these things today? His theme was "Righteousness Exalteth a Nation, but Sin is a Reproach to Any People." Might such outspoken thoughts not enlighten the minds of Americans today as they discuss the topic of this thread?

63 posted on 01/08/2014 12:49:04 PM PST by loveliberty2
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To: 12th_Monkey
The truth sets people free... one of the reason's our founders safeguarded free speech. One of the reason's liberals try to restrict speech...

Also, if our ‘solutions’ to race problems are based on lies and delusions, the solutions won't work. That does appear to be the case.

64 posted on 01/08/2014 2:07:43 PM PST by GOPJ ("Remember who the real enemy is... ")
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To: The Working Man

my kids went to a small school district where the majority were white followed closely by the hispanics. In the entire district maybe 5 blacks. Funny, no problems to speak of

65 posted on 01/08/2014 2:23:30 PM PST by 12th_Monkey (In an alternate universe Obama still dips ice cream)
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To: yldstrk
they don’t target minorities, they target bad behavior if the minorities are the ones doing the dirt, they will be the ones paying the price people are fed up with putting up with crap from people jsut because of their skin color

You're right. A darker skin isn't a free pass to act like a jerk...

66 posted on 01/08/2014 2:28:02 PM PST by GOPJ ("Remember who the real enemy is... ")
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To: loveliberty2

I think the dumbing down of our citizens precludes such a discussion. From what you have posted from the past, liberals have done their job well.
I suspect these men would be greatly disappointed in the current state of our country.
The ideals they put forth are to complicated and deep for our distracted all about me, I’m owed culture. It would take generations to return to those “backward” ideals of the 1800’s and I just don’t see that happening.
I’m looking at this an ongoing plan to bring America down and people like Barack Hussein Obama has brought us to the edge but we are way to busy on FaceBook and looking at our iPhones to notice....

67 posted on 01/08/2014 2:37:21 PM PST by 12th_Monkey (In an alternate universe Obama still dips ice cream)
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To: 12th_Monkey

There. I fixed it.

68 posted on 01/08/2014 3:09:39 PM PST by Gritty (Liberals think living your life free of welfare, EBT, and government nannies is "cheating"-J Hawkins)
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To: Gritty

in a less cowering world, that be a winning headline.

69 posted on 01/08/2014 6:40:57 PM PST by 12th_Monkey (In an alternate universe Obama still dips ice cream)
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To: 12th_Monkey
Is a Monkey like an Imam?

12th and all...

70 posted on 01/08/2014 10:24:22 PM PST by Paladin2
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To: Paladin2

I don’t know if Imam’s like bananas.

71 posted on 01/09/2014 4:29:55 AM PST by 12th_Monkey (In an alternate universe Obama still dips ice cream)
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