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Holder: School discipline racially biased, overly harsh
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Posted on 01/08/2014 10:12:43 AM PST by Sub-Driver

January 08, 2014, 12:54 pm Holder: School discipline racially biased, overly harsh

By Ben Goad

Attorney Gen. Eric Holder called upon the nation’s school districts Wednesday to re-think “zero tolerance” disciplinary policies that he said disproportionately punish minorities and push too many students into to the justice system.

“Alarming numbers of young people are suspended, expelled, or even arrested for relatively minor transgressions like school uniform violations, schoolyard fights, or showing “disrespect” by laughing in class,” Holder said during a speech in Baltimore.

Holder’s remarks accompany the release Wednesday of new federal guidance from the departments of Justice and Education pressing schools to adopt disciplinary policies that are “fair, non-discriminatory, and effective.”

The guidance lays out the parameters of punishment as governed by federal civil rights protections, alternatives to exclusionary discipline and a comprehensive list of regulations on the books in every state.

Included in the guidance is a 32-page “Dear Colleague” letter putting schools on notice that the agencies are prepared to use authority to investigate the claims of racial disparity in the punishment of students.

“As part of this commitment, we will enforce Federal laws to eliminate unlawful racial discrimination in school discipline,” the letter warns.

The action won praised from the American Civil Liberties Union (ACLU), which offered forward research showing that black students make 36 percent of those expelled, though they represent only 15 percent of students.

"With the rise of law enforcement in our schools, the proliferation of zero-tolerance policies, and misuse of suspensions and expulsions, our nation’s school discipline policies are pushing children…out of school," said Deborah J. Vagins, the ACLU’s senior legislative counsel.

The Education Department us also issuing a set of guiding principals meant to help schools comply with federal laws, a directory of disciplinary resources available to schools and an online compendium of state laws and regulations.

“Positive discipline policies” can actually foster safer school environments, without a heavy reliance on suspensions and expulsions, Education Secretary Arne Duncan said in a statement.

“Schools also must understand their civil rights obligations and avoid unfair disciplinary practices,” he said. “We need to keep students in class where they can learn.”


TOPICS: Culture/Society; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: bhodoj; blackmales; discipline; ericholder; zerotolerance
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1 posted on 01/08/2014 10:12:43 AM PST by Sub-Driver
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To: Sub-Driver

Agreed - no-tolerance policies regarding even images or representations of firearms are destructive, insidious, and serve to mold a new generation of serfs who fear guns and believe they are only properly possessed by government.


2 posted on 01/08/2014 10:15:50 AM PST by andyk (I have sworn...eternal hostility against every form of tyranny over the mind of man.)
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To: Sub-Driver

Leave it to Holder to take a good cause — pushing back on “zero tolerance” school policies — and pollute it with a needless racial angle.


3 posted on 01/08/2014 10:17:03 AM PST by Opinionated Blowhard ("When the people find they can vote themselves money, that will herald the end of the republic.")
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To: Sub-Driver

Poor behavior, socially (correlated to race though) based, needs correction.


4 posted on 01/08/2014 10:17:18 AM PST by Paladin2
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To: Sub-Driver

When schools must report suspensions by race, they naturally stop suspending the black kids as much, the black kids know that, and misbehave even MORE.

I know. I hear it every night at the dinner table.

Way to go, Eric! Holding your people to lower and lower standards will confine them to the liberal ghetto forever.

Which, we know, is the point.


5 posted on 01/08/2014 10:17:42 AM PST by Uncle Miltie (Mohammed was a pedophile and Islam is a Totalitarian Death Cult.)
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To: andyk
So you believe Holder?

You must be some special kind of idiot.

6 posted on 01/08/2014 10:18:48 AM PST by Trailerpark Badass (There should be a whole lot more going on than throwing bleach, said one woman.)
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To: Sub-Driver

The best thing to do is put minorities in their own schools so that they can be disciplined as their “community” believes is necessary.


7 posted on 01/08/2014 10:22:23 AM PST by Cowboy Bob (They are called "Liberals" because the word "parasite" was already taken.)
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To: Sub-Driver

Question—how are we supposed to deal with feral youth, who are raised in ghetto culture? A culture in which trying to do well in school is derided asacting white? A culture in which all slights, real and imagined, are settled with violence?

Against this backdrop, teachers are supposed to try to socialize these feral youth. But any discipline administered is considered racist.

That’s the crazy world we live in now.


8 posted on 01/08/2014 10:22:26 AM PST by Dilbert San Diego
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To: Trailerpark Badass

I’ll just assume that you didn’t read my entire post. I’d rather not assume the worst about you as you’ve done to me.


9 posted on 01/08/2014 10:22:35 AM PST by andyk (I have sworn...eternal hostility against every form of tyranny over the mind of man.)
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To: Sub-Driver

Does this man think about anything but skin color?


11 posted on 01/08/2014 10:23:51 AM PST by autumnraine (America how long will you be so deaf and dumb to thoe tumbril wheels carrying you to the guillotine?)
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To: Sub-Driver

Holder is a racist lawbreaker. Unfortunately, he is in charge of ‘enforcing’ the nation’s laws.

He wants non-Whites to go scot free, and Whites to go to jail for thinking the wrong thoughts.


12 posted on 01/08/2014 10:24:42 AM PST by I want the USA back (Media: completely irresponsible traitors. Complicit in the destruction of our country.)
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To: andyk

Agreed - no-tolerance policies regarding even images or representations of firearms are destructive, insidious, and serve to mold a new generation of serfs who fear guns and believe they are only properly possessed by government.

Hmm, Liberals whining about a policy they helped create inthe first place....

1. Create Problem
2. Make problem worse
3. Create Solution inthe name of “Social Justice”
4. Use Solution to consolidate control over populace.


13 posted on 01/08/2014 10:24:52 AM PST by GraceG
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To: Sub-Driver

Holder is going to do something constructive?
Say it ain’t so! I guess even a blind pig finds an acorn now and then...
“Zero tolerance” needs to go.


14 posted on 01/08/2014 10:25:39 AM PST by Little Ray (How did I end up in this hand-basket, and why is it getting so hot?)
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To: GraceG

Whammo! You nailed it.


15 posted on 01/08/2014 10:26:05 AM PST by andyk (I have sworn...eternal hostility against every form of tyranny over the mind of man.)
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To: Paladin2

There would be an easy way to prove that minority students are being unfairly disciplined. Jut put cctv in all classrooms with minority students. The result, from many sources I’ve read accounts about from on the internet, would not be to Eric (my people) Holder’s and other racialists liking. From what I’ve read many or most classrooms with majority black students are chaotic, semi-violent nightmares. So let’s do the camera thing, and see who’s lying.


16 posted on 01/08/2014 10:26:48 AM PST by driftless2
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To: Sub-Driver
The action won praised from the American Civil Liberties Union (ACLU), which offered forward research showing that black students make 36 percent of those expelled, though they represent only 15 percent of students.

Statistical drivel. They need to examine the rate of expulsion with the rate of expulsion-punishable offenses. They can break THAT down statistically and have a meaningful answer.

It's a shame that schools and governments just cannot do math.

17 posted on 01/08/2014 10:27:14 AM PST by MortMan (Is a delayed shower a "stay of exablution"?)
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To: Cowboy Bob

Where are the “Community Leaders”, they are as absent as a Father who went out for smokes 5 years ago and never came back.

Why aren’t the likes of Jessie and Al demanding MORE of their own people instead of demanding less from their people and more from everone else which does nothing but add to the problem...

“Community Leaders” are nothing more than “Community Grifters” these days...

Leading by Example is bad then the Leaders are setting horribly bad Examples to be led by....


18 posted on 01/08/2014 10:28:31 AM PST by GraceG
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To: MortMan

The action won praised from the American Civil Liberties Union (ACLU), which offered forward research showing that black students make 36 percent of those expelled, though they represent only 15 percent of students.

_______________

The response to that little stat is : So what?

What these kids were doing needs to drive the expulsion rate.


19 posted on 01/08/2014 10:28:45 AM PST by Chickensoup (we didn't love freedom enough... Solzhenitsyn.)
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To: Sub-Driver

If a white person called for easing up on standards set for blacks as Holder is doing...

They’d (rightfully) be called a racist.

Holder once said we need to hold a national conversation on race relations here in the US. OK Eric; how’s this for a topic:

How come we let blacks have an unfair advantage in education, in employment, in housing, and in every other aspect of life and it only increases their welfare roles, prison populations and illegitimacy rates?

What’s the answer you racist POS? Ignoring the Knockout Games? I don’t think so.


20 posted on 01/08/2014 10:29:19 AM PST by Responsibility2nd (NO LIBS. This Means Liberals and (L)libertarians! Same Thing. NO LIBS!!)
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To: Sub-Driver

Unless they’re whitey kids making a “gun” and pointing it at another kid and saying “bang!”.

Those kids, to the plastic shredders.


21 posted on 01/08/2014 10:33:56 AM PST by Attention Surplus Disorder (At no time was the Obama administration aware of what the Obama administration was doing)
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To: andyk
Oh, I read it all.

I will just assume you don't know what Holder is REALLY talking about.

22 posted on 01/08/2014 10:35:48 AM PST by Trailerpark Badass (There should be a whole lot more going on than throwing bleach, said one woman.)
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To: Sub-Driver

I say again, and this comment from a black guy:

okay, I’m going out on a limb but... doesn’t what Holder want scream for...re-segregation?


23 posted on 01/08/2014 10:40:21 AM PST by jimjohn (You don't get the kind of government you want, or the kind you need. You get the kind you deserve.)
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To: Sub-Driver
“Alarming numbers of young people are suspended, expelled, or even arrested for relatively minor transgressions like school uniform violations, schoolyard fights, or showing “disrespect” by laughing in class,” Holder said during a speech in Baltimore.

Yes - and no. Certainly zero tolerance policies help when dealing with the lawyers, but they are overall stupid. Why would you not consider the individual situation when deciding on a consequence? However, I'd like to see a list (even one name) of students who have been prosecuted for violating the dress code or for laughing in class. As for criminal prosecutions for fights, I approve of that option when the fight gets out of hand or is unprovoked. This speech is another racial wedge based on nothing in the real world.

24 posted on 01/08/2014 10:43:11 AM PST by Pollster1 ("Shall not be infringed" is unambiguous.)
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To: Opinionated Blowhard

Zero tolerance was racial to begin with. School districts needed a way to deal with unruly blacks but principals were afraid to give subjective punishments lest they be called racist. Thus was born “everybody gets same punishment” zero tolerance policies.


25 posted on 01/08/2014 10:44:19 AM PST by RightOnTheBorder
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To: driftless2; All

Remember this essay from last summer?

Essay by a teacher in a black high school
Honda Tech ^ | July 6, 2013 | Unknown

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-bloggers/3048274/posts


26 posted on 01/08/2014 10:45:19 AM PST by Responsibility2nd (NO LIBS. This Means Liberals and (L)libertarians! Same Thing. NO LIBS!!)
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To: Sub-Driver
Yep, we definitely need a program to replace Negro bullies in the JustUs system with White and Asian valedictorians.
27 posted on 01/08/2014 10:47:09 AM PST by Navy Patriot (Join the Democrats, it's not Fascism when WE do it, and the Constitution and law mean what WE say.)
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To: Pollster1
Why would you not consider the individual situation when deciding on a consequence

Principals are scared to death of having any personal input into a child's punishment. At its worst you have blacks claiming punishments against their children are racist but you have all manner of parents who think their little angle can do no wrong and will hassle principals for any disciplinary action. It is simply easier (and wrong and cowardly) for administration to say "well, this is the district zero tolerance approved punishment and it is out of my hands."

28 posted on 01/08/2014 10:50:20 AM PST by RightOnTheBorder
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To: Sub-Driver

Black kids can’t behave in school because they’re socially inferior, black people can’t get photo IDs because they’re dumb, black mothers can’t depend on black fathers because they’re lazy - These are just a few of the things black leaders tells us every day about black people. Will black people EVER get tired of this?


29 posted on 01/08/2014 10:52:41 AM PST by ryan71 (The Partisans)
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To: Sub-Driver

Schools instituted zero-tolerance in response due to a disproportionate number of minorities getting disciplined.

What better way to deal with the problem then to institute zero-tolerance? Bring a handgun to school in your backpack - get expelled. Leave your fishing knife in your trunk - get expelled. Threaten to kill someone - get suspended. Fashion a handgun from a poptart - get suspended.

See how colorblind and easy it is??!!


30 posted on 01/08/2014 10:53:02 AM PST by VeniVidiVici (Play the 'Knockout Game' with someone owning a 9mm and you get what you deserve)
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To: jimjohn

“...doesn’t what Holder want scream for...re-segregation?”

Sort of. Would “no white people left” qualify?


31 posted on 01/08/2014 10:55:07 AM PST by ryan71 (The Partisans)
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To: ryan71
Many of these children should have been failed, but the system would crack under their weight if they were all held back.

This and many more astute observations from the front lines of the black culture war against America are found at the link.

32 posted on 01/08/2014 10:57:44 AM PST by Responsibility2nd (NO LIBS. This Means Liberals and (L)libertarians! Same Thing. NO LIBS!!)
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To: Sub-Driver

How ‘bout it’s because more of Holders peeps are likely to be little thigs just like the baby daddies.


33 posted on 01/08/2014 10:58:16 AM PST by freeangel ( (free speech is only good until someone else doesn't like it)
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To: Sub-Driver

But how could this be ?? The schools are an infestation of diversity-loving liberals.


34 posted on 01/08/2014 10:59:28 AM PST by Lizavetta
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To: freeangel

This again proves that holder is just representative of this whole sick Clown Car administration from top down. Those who voted for these anti-logic creeps should hang their heads in shame.


35 posted on 01/08/2014 11:00:46 AM PST by hal ogen (First Amendment or Reeducation Camp?)
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To: Sub-Driver

Racism in reverse from the Administration’s chief Black Racist (next to Obama Hussein, of course.)


36 posted on 01/08/2014 11:06:43 AM PST by ZULU (Magua is sitting in the Oval Office)
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To: Sub-Driver

and besides, whats a little rape between school chums right Ericky..???


37 posted on 01/08/2014 11:07:56 AM PST by cherry (.in the time of universal deceit, telling the truth is revolutionary.....)
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To: Sub-Driver

black students make 36 percent of those expelled, though they represent only 15 percent of students.

??????????????????

Maybe that is because they comprise a more “difficult” group. Its hard to behave when there is no father figure around to show you a positive male role model.


38 posted on 01/08/2014 11:08:14 AM PST by ZULU (Magua is sitting in the Oval Office)
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To: Uncle Miltie
because school officials ignored the crimes and antics of a one Mr. Martin, he lies dead.....

Ericky, instead of looser rules, rules should be strenghten....with school uniforms, detention,dish washing and floor sweeping and Saturday class...guess the teachers wouldn't want that though..

39 posted on 01/08/2014 11:09:52 AM PST by cherry (.in the time of universal deceit, telling the truth is revolutionary.....)
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To: Sub-Driver

Great. Let’s get more lawyers involved in more unnecessary areas of life.


40 posted on 01/08/2014 11:10:32 AM PST by bkopto (Free men are not equal. Equal men are not free.)
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To: Sub-Driver
Attorney Gen. Eric Holder called upon the nation’s school districts Wednesday to re-think “zero tolerance” disciplinary policies that he said disproportionately punish minorities and push too many students into to the justice system.

You think he has anything to say about the many "Zero-Tolerance weapons policies" we see every other day that result in kids getting suspended, expelled and arrested for pointing a finger and saying "pow", chewing a Pop Tart into the shape of a gun, talking about bringing a Hello Kitty soap bubble shooter to school, miming shooting an arrow, having a keychain fob the size of a quarter shaped like a gun, or drawing a picture of a gun?

Or how about the "Zero-Tolerance drug policies" that result in 13-year old girls being strip searched without their parents' consent, for having Midol?

Didn't think so.

41 posted on 01/08/2014 11:13:32 AM PST by Cymbaline ("Allahu Akbar": Arabic for "Nothing To See Here" - Mark Steyn)
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To: Sub-Driver

And who was it that promoted all these “Zero-Tolerance” policies in the first place? The Left, that’s who.


42 posted on 01/08/2014 11:14:24 AM PST by Cymbaline ("Allahu Akbar": Arabic for "Nothing To See Here" - Mark Steyn)
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To: andyk

I have a feeling a fair percentage of minority suspensions deal with issues that go well beyond over-application of zero-tolerance policies.

It’s hard to believe assault or drug possession, for starters, fall into that category.


43 posted on 01/08/2014 11:15:20 AM PST by dirtboy
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To: Chickensoup

To believe that that statement holds any weight would be to argue that female Asian teenagers misbehave in a manner qualifying for expulsion at the same rate as male black teenagers.

ACLU? Do you want to assert that?


44 posted on 01/08/2014 11:15:34 AM PST by MrB (The difference between a Humanist and a Satanist - the latter admits whom he's working for)
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To: Attention Surplus Disorder

That’s really what the zero tolerance rules were about
(secondarily to removing responsibility from administrators for making decisions)

ensnaring “good” kids who don’t get into trouble in order to make it “fair”.


45 posted on 01/08/2014 11:16:53 AM PST by MrB (The difference between a Humanist and a Satanist - the latter admits whom he's working for)
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To: ryan71

The phrase that appeals the most:

“it’s not your fault”


46 posted on 01/08/2014 11:17:43 AM PST by MrB (The difference between a Humanist and a Satanist - the latter admits whom he's working for)
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To: Sub-Driver



47 posted on 01/08/2014 11:19:38 AM PST by MeshugeMikey ( a Safe..and Sane....2014 To All!)
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To: Sub-Driver
“As part of this commitment, we will enforce Federal laws to eliminate unlawful racial discrimination in school discipline,” the letter warns.

Beyond belief.

48 posted on 01/08/2014 11:19:49 AM PST by mykroar (We fight, get beat, rise, and fight again. - Nathanael Greene)
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To: Uncle Miltie

Trayvon Martin was a good example of this absurd policy.


49 posted on 01/08/2014 11:20:32 AM PST by Sacajaweau
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To: mykroar

This is leading directly to the society described in a certain book written in the 1970’s by an anonymous author.

The book is considered highly racist, but the society was described with nearly prophetic accuracy.


50 posted on 01/08/2014 11:22:10 AM PST by MrB (The difference between a Humanist and a Satanist - the latter admits whom he's working for)
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