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What happens when jobless benefits are cut? North Carolina may offer some clues?
Capitol Report ^ | January 8, 2014 | Jeffry Bartash

Posted on 01/08/2014 2:49:15 PM PST by freedom462

Last summer, North Carolina slashed the amount of cash it gave to people after they lost their jobs and the state also reduced the number of weeks they could receive benefits. Within several months, the unemployment rate fell a few ticks and by November it fell to a five-year low.

Similar though less dramatic declines occurred in Georgia and South Carolina after they made benefits less generous starting in 2012.

(Excerpt) Read more at blogs.marketwatch.com ...


TOPICS: Business/Economy; Culture/Society; Government; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: benefits; employment; joblessness; northcarolina
So there is possible additional proof that lowering the length of time citizens get generous benefits does lower employment. Of course, numerous critics suggest that this says nothing about whether or not decreasing the length of time of unemployment benefits actually does increase employment, these critics allege that most, if not all, of those who are counted as not unemployed anymore left the labor force entirely and are on welfare, living with relatives or in another state with more benefits.

Perhaps posters in North Carolina who have empirical evidence and can see what the economy there first hand looks like can comment on this as well.

1 posted on 01/08/2014 2:49:16 PM PST by freedom462
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To: freedom462
What happens when jobless benefits are cut? North Carolina may offer some clues?

That "uptalking" that everyone hates is starting to bleed over to writing, as well. I've seen people starting to do this in emails and such.
2 posted on 01/08/2014 2:54:50 PM PST by fr_freak
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To: freedom462

Doesn’t hurt to have a republican governor, for a change, either.


3 posted on 01/08/2014 2:57:11 PM PST by rsobin
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To: rsobin

Do you think said Republican governor has made significant, real improvement’s to North Carolina’s economy that can be readily seen by visiting the states major cities and towns?


4 posted on 01/08/2014 2:58:14 PM PST by freedom462
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To: freedom462
It is just so unfair to make people go to work by cutting their unemployment benefits. They will miss all their soaps on TV that they have become addicted to.
5 posted on 01/08/2014 3:02:45 PM PST by arthurus (Read Hazlitt's Economics In One Lesson ONLINEhttp://steshaw.org/economics-in-one-lesson/)
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To: freedom462

It cannot be seen by Democrat governors because their eyes are firmly averted to the left.


6 posted on 01/08/2014 3:04:00 PM PST by arthurus (Read Hazlitt's Economics In One Lesson ONLINEhttp://steshaw.org/economics-in-one-lesson/)
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To: freedom462

From the article: “What the data doesn’t tell us, however, is what happened to all the people no longer classified as unemployed. While some found a job, others may have retired, ended up on welfare, moved in with family members, sought disability payments or fled to a nearby state with better benefits. We just don’t know.”

That’s the closing paragraph. And it supports the notion that tracking ‘unemployment’ is only half the story. The rest of it is labor participation.

It the LSM would report BOTH, we would have a much better picture of national employment.

It’s quite possible that a significant portion of the drop in NC is due to people simply falling off the roles, which does not necessarily mean these folks went out and found work.


7 posted on 01/08/2014 3:05:36 PM PST by PubliusMM (RKBA; a matter of fact, not opinion. 01-20-2016; I pray we make it that long.)
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To: freedom462
living with relatives or in another state with more benefits....

Or, in Mexico, via the process of self-deportation.

8 posted on 01/08/2014 3:07:38 PM PST by C210N (When people fear government there is tyranny; when government fears people there is liberty)
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To: PubliusMM

I acknowledged that in my comments, which is why I asked if anyone on the ground in North Carolina would somehow have access to other sources of info on the labor participation rate in NC since the long term benefits were shortened and reduced. I said from the start that there is naturally going to be some degree of speculation here without additional proof.

Does anyone have other info on this other than speculation, at least when it comes to NC and neighboring states?


9 posted on 01/08/2014 3:09:03 PM PST by freedom462
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To: freedom462

The problem is borrowing from the state and the Feds. Stop that and you stop a lot of it. Get rid of commerce and the people in the senate who started this mess in the 20’s. I remember in the 60’s when the states started pushing for schools; etc to borrow from them. The dean of my school told them to go take a hike.


10 posted on 01/08/2014 3:13:10 PM PST by freekitty (Give me back my conservative vote; then find me a real conservative to vote for)
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To: freedom462

Perception often proceeds reality. I have more confidence now with a more pro business administration.


11 posted on 01/08/2014 3:16:50 PM PST by rsobin
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To: fr_freak

What happens when jobless benefits are cut? North Carolina may offer some clues?

That “uptalking” that everyone hates is starting to bleed over to writing, as well. I’ve seen people starting to do this in emails and such.
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12 posted on 01/08/2014 3:17:18 PM PST by House Atreides
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To: freedom462
This is a little different but not really:

When John Engler was Gov. of Michigan, between 1991 and 2003, he managed to get some legislation passed that tested people on welfare and those found to be fit to work were taken off the welfare roles.

People who were fit to work found jobs or went back to school. A neighbor of mine, who had been on welfare and was kicked off, later told me that getting kicked off welfare was the best thing that ever happened to her. She went back to school and got a job.

Until she was kicked off welfare she never thought about working for a living. Imagine that.

13 posted on 01/08/2014 3:18:08 PM PST by Slyfox (We want our pre-existing HEALTH INSURANCE back!)
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To: freedom462

If my lazy brother is any indication, cutting off benes will stop the months-long vacation and get the people frantically running around, looking for work until they find a job. Then they will grumble about having to take a job they didn’t want but they will have a job and be working.


14 posted on 01/08/2014 3:20:12 PM PST by Opinionated Blowhard ("When the people find they can vote themselves money, that will herald the end of the republic.")
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To: freedom462
Within several months, the unemployment rate fell a few ticks and by November it fell to a five-year low.

Wouldn't the people who saw their unemployment end fall off the reporting statistics? And wouldn't that in itself cause the unemployment rate to fall? Without having to file for benefits how else would the state know if they were still unemployed, employed, or had given up looking altogether?

15 posted on 01/08/2014 3:20:24 PM PST by DoodleDawg
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To: rsobin

Fair enough. I presume you live in North Carolina. Do you live there? Are you i n one of the major cities in NC?


16 posted on 01/08/2014 3:20:59 PM PST by freedom462
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To: freedom462

Does anyone have other info on this other than speculation,

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I suspect it will take a few months to get some data beyond speculation..

http://blog.heritage.org/2014/01/06/examining-north-carolinas-falling-unemployment-rate/


17 posted on 01/08/2014 3:24:17 PM PST by deport
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To: deport

Actually, that report helped a lot, the only thing it is missing is an explanation as to why the labor participation suddenly started dropping at the very beginning of 2013. I do wonder what could it to happen at that date.


18 posted on 01/08/2014 3:29:13 PM PST by freedom462
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To: freedom462
It is just "common sense" (sorely lacking in the "Progressive Movement")!

Human nature dictates that one seek the greatest personal reward for the least personal effort! We are just like all others in the animal kingdom in this regard!

Anecdotally, all of us have observed this fact (only "Progressives" either dismiss it or just admire it as long as "others pay"!

In this country, the pilgrims with their "Mayflower Compact" quickly found this out! They quickly decided that all must work and reap the rewards of their own labor OR STARVE! Check out your basic history! "Utopian Societies" have always failed throughout history! We don't have to just observe the fate of communist and socialist societies in the past few decades!

As long as you can make "others" pay why not gleefully support the entitlements?

It is a rarity to encounter self-reliant individuals who refuse to accept their "freebies" these days!

19 posted on 01/08/2014 4:23:42 PM PST by ExSES (the "bottom-line")
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To: freedom462
It is just "common sense" (sorely lacking in the "Progressive Movement")!

Human nature dictates that one seek the greatest personal reward for the least personal effort! We are just like all others in the animal kingdom in this regard!

Anecdotally, all of us have observed this fact (only "Progressives" either dismiss it or just admire it as long as "others pay"!

In this country, the pilgrims with their "Mayflower Compact" quickly found this out! They quickly decided that all must work and reap the rewards of their own labor OR STARVE! Check out your basic history! "Utopian Societies" have always failed throughout history! We don't have to just observe the fate of communist and socialist societies in the past few decades!

As long as you can make "others" pay why not gleefully support the entitlements?

It is a rarity to encounter self-reliant individuals who refuse to accept their "freebies" these days!

20 posted on 01/08/2014 4:23:42 PM PST by ExSES (the "bottom-line")
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To: freedom462

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21 posted on 01/08/2014 4:55:21 PM PST by Sergio (An object at rest cannot be stopped! - The Evil Midnight Bomber What Bombs at Midnight)
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To: freedom462

When the checks run out, people really start looking for a job apparently


22 posted on 01/08/2014 4:56:29 PM PST by GeronL (Extra Large Cheesy Over-Stuffed Hobbit)
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To: arthurus

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23 posted on 01/08/2014 4:57:04 PM PST by GeronL (Extra Large Cheesy Over-Stuffed Hobbit)
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To: freedom462
I got 20 weeks in North Carolina. No benefits, but still looking. They also cut the amount.

Many of the jobs have been shipped overseas. Poland is now the new hot spot for software development.

24 posted on 01/08/2014 5:23:56 PM PST by FR_addict
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To: fr_freak
Really. Up-speech is so 1990's. The decline of the culture continues unabated.
25 posted on 01/08/2014 5:51:09 PM PST by hinckley buzzard
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To: DoodleDawg
It has been many years, if it ever was so, since collecting unemployment was the measure of being Unemployed.
26 posted on 01/08/2014 5:54:45 PM PST by hinckley buzzard
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To: hinckley buzzard
It has been many years, if it ever was so, since collecting unemployment was the measure of being Unemployed

Then how does the state count unemployed?

27 posted on 01/08/2014 5:59:41 PM PST by DoodleDawg
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To: freedom462

Just curious but did they post any stats showing a number of people leaving the state that corresponds to the down tick in unemployment? Just curious if they found a actual fix long term unemployment or just a way to move somewhere else.


28 posted on 01/08/2014 6:31:15 PM PST by Mastador1 (I'll take a bad dog over a good politician any day!)
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To: Mastador1

What I posted is all they had. Only other posters here from NC could conceivably answer with the details about whether or not there as been sort of a mass movement out of NC.


29 posted on 01/08/2014 6:35:42 PM PST by freedom462
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To: freedom462

I’m curious because in the past I know that families have made an effort to move to states with more substantial benefits.


30 posted on 01/08/2014 6:39:55 PM PST by Mastador1 (I'll take a bad dog over a good politician any day!)
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