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White House Makes Its Global Warming Case Amid Polar Vortex Deniers
New York Magazine ^ | 1/8 | Adam Martin

Posted on 01/08/2014 3:01:58 PM PST by nickcarraway

All kinds of people and organizations, from media to scientists, have been pushing back against the idea, popular among the Rush Limbaugh set, that recent bitingly cold weather disproves global warming. Rather, they say, global warming actually causes this extreme weather, by making the polar air mass more unstable. That's now the official line of the White House, which is embarking on a bit of a media blitz to deny the notion that one cold snap means climate change is a lie. In a video released Wednesday, President Obama's science and technology advisor, Dr. John Holdren, made the two-minute case.

"The fact is that no single weather episode can either prove or disprove global climate change. Climate is the pattern of weather that we observe geographically, and over the seasons, and it's described in terms of averages, variations, and probabilities," Holdren soberly explained. To further make the point, according to BuzzFeed, the White House plans to dedicate one of its "We the Geeks" sessions to the polar vortex, throwing a team of scientists and experts at the issue, presumably to offer well-reasoned, scientific explanations.

But well-reasoned scientific explanations can only do so much in the face of conspiracy theories and insinuation. "In the middle of a hoax, they’re perpetrating a hoax, but they’re relying on their total dominance of the media to lie to you each and every day about climate change and global warming," Limbaugh said on Monday. Beat that, science.


TOPICS: Extended News; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections; US: District of Columbia; US: New York
KEYWORDS: adammartin; globalwarming; johnholdren; memebuilding; newyork; newyorkcity; newyorkmagazine; partisanmediashill; partisanmediashills; polarvortex

1 posted on 01/08/2014 3:01:58 PM PST by nickcarraway
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To: nickcarraway
Poehler Vortex caught in the act...


2 posted on 01/08/2014 3:04:44 PM PST by C210N (When people fear government there is tyranny; when government fears people there is liberty)
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To: nickcarraway

In the long term the sun is getting hotter.


3 posted on 01/08/2014 3:05:10 PM PST by cripplecreek (REMEMBER THE RIVER RAISIN!)
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To: nickcarraway

Obama’s people doubling down on stupid.


4 posted on 01/08/2014 3:07:54 PM PST by Jim Robinson (Resistance to tyrants is obedience to God!!)
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To: nickcarraway

Someone needs to end this nightmare now. This nation is dissolving in front of our eyes because of this criminal communist element. I am disheartened, disgusted and depressed.


5 posted on 01/08/2014 3:09:12 PM PST by Doc Savage ("I've shot people I like a lot more,...for a lot less!" Raylan Givins)
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To: Jim Robinson

Well, since big business will enforce belief in it, I guess he can afford to...


6 posted on 01/08/2014 3:13:40 PM PST by nickcarraway
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To: nickcarraway


7 posted on 01/08/2014 3:14:35 PM PST by Iron Munro (Orwell: There are some ideas so absurd that only an intellectual could believe them.)
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To: Doc Savage

You are not alone on this.


8 posted on 01/08/2014 3:16:34 PM PST by ColdOne (I miss my poochie... Tasha 2000~3/14/11) Hey, Harry Reid.. 1-800-318-2596!)
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To: nickcarraway
"The fact is that no single weather episode can either prove or disprove global climate change. Climate is the pattern of weather that we observe geographically, and over the seasons, and it's described in terms of averages, variations, and probabilities," Holdren n soberly explained.

Ok, see you next summer when there is a heatwave.

9 posted on 01/08/2014 3:17:32 PM PST by Vince Ferrer
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To: nickcarraway

The Global Warming scare is just another scam/scheme like Obamacare, dreamed up as an issue to justify increased taxes to fund more Big Gov and more wealth redistribution.


10 posted on 01/08/2014 3:18:08 PM PST by Iron Munro (Orwell: There are some ideas so absurd that only an intellectual could believe them.)
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To: nickcarraway
War is Peace

Ignorance is Strength

Freedom is Slavery

Cold is Hot

11 posted on 01/08/2014 3:21:33 PM PST by colorado tanker
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To: Doc Savage

Same. And it is not going to get better. We MAY do OK in the mid-terms, but that’s it. All the demographics are radically against us. The RINO lead GOP is Dem-lite. We lose 7-10 Senate seats in 2016 guaranteed, gay marriage will be the law of the land ... it is a long long list. It’s times like this I’m glad I’m old.


12 posted on 01/08/2014 3:23:02 PM PST by RIghtwardHo
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To: nickcarraway

Arctic explorer to eskimo:

“Am I close to the North Pole?”

Eskimo: “You`re getting warmer!”


13 posted on 01/08/2014 3:23:49 PM PST by bunkerhill7 ("The Second Amendment has no limits on firepower"-NY State Senator Kathleen A. Marchione.")
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To: nickcarraway

An easy way to avoid confusion and embarrassment:

Just remember these two rules about Global Warming:

1 - Record setting cold, snow or ice does not disprove the existence of Global Warming. They are just anecdotal evidence of a temporary condition and cannot be regarded as valid indicators.

2 - Record setting warm temperatures, drought, rain, storms, melting ice, or other unusual conditions are undeniable empirical evidence that man caused Global Warming is destroying the planet, and maybe even the entire galaxy.

/s


14 posted on 01/08/2014 3:24:04 PM PST by Iron Munro (Orwell: There are some ideas so absurd that only an intellectual could believe them.)
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To: nickcarraway

I’m going to confess I’m lukewarm on this. Part of my issue is that science works to prove its explanations wrong. That is something I never see mentioned - or have I missed it?


15 posted on 01/08/2014 3:27:49 PM PST by Patriotic1 (Dic mihi solum facta, domina - Just the facts, ma'am)
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To: nickcarraway

i will be looking forward to the white house explanation regarding how super-size SUV’s and other acts of repulicans have altered the worlds and sun’s axis to cause the current polar vortex.


16 posted on 01/08/2014 3:29:20 PM PST by Cruz_West_Paul2016
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To: Vince Ferrer

It’s utterly laughable to see these guys NOW making the point that climate is not the same as weather after years of using every tornado, hurricane, heat wave, flood, and forest fire as PROOF that “global warming” is a REAL BIG PROBLEM threatening all human life on Earth. These people, Holdren chief among them, are dishonest worms.


17 posted on 01/08/2014 3:33:22 PM PST by John Valentine (Deep in the Heart of Texas)
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To: Patriotic1

Let me answer, please.

You’re absolutely right.

In fact, scientists should always be skeptical. They should especially be skeptical of their own theories, and work hard to always ensure the data leads to impeccable results.

That the left-wing community of so-called scientist/political agitators want to label anyone who doesn’t agree (that global warming is due to human industrialization) a denier—like they are Nazi sympathizers, is down right despicable and has no merit in science.

A logical Ad Hominem fallacy.


18 posted on 01/08/2014 3:37:36 PM PST by Alas Babylon!
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To: John Valentine
But do remember, Holdren soberly explained...

I took from that was that he was drunk the rest of the time..

19 posted on 01/08/2014 3:39:37 PM PST by Alas Babylon!
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To: Patriotic1

When a scientist only gets funded for saying global warming is real he has no incentive to actually conduct real science


20 posted on 01/08/2014 3:42:20 PM PST by GeronL (Extra Large Cheesy Over-Stuffed Hobbit)
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To: nickcarraway

.....aaaand in other neus:
Nobama peeeed in the ocean causing globull flooding!
Deeeveloping....


21 posted on 01/08/2014 3:48:26 PM PST by Leo Carpathian (FReeeeepeesssssed)
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To: nickcarraway

OK!! Everybody pay attention!

Lesson for today:

1. The sun is 1,300,000 times as big as the earth.

2. The sun is a ball of fire that controls the climates of all its planets.

3. The earth is one of the sun’s planets.

4. The earth is a speck in comparison to the size of the sun.

5. Inhabitants of the earth are less than specks.

Study Question: How do less-than-specks in congress plan to control the sun?


22 posted on 01/08/2014 4:02:16 PM PST by abclily
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To: abclily
Pictures help.


23 posted on 01/08/2014 4:15:54 PM PST by TexasCajun
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To: abclily

Let’’s put it in context. Here

http://all-that-is-interesting.com/post/896793977/visualizing-the-size-and-scale-of-our-world


24 posted on 01/08/2014 4:17:37 PM PST by Ruy Dias de Bivar (Sometimes you need 7+ more ammo. LOTS MORE.)
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To: Patriotic1

In times past, I would have been in your camp. Lukewarm on the whole issue. However, I am old enough to remember the Coming Ice Age that was in vogue in the mid 70’s. When that was being written about, a list of solutions was pushed. These included, quit using fossil fuels, including coal and petroleum. Instead, use solar and wind instead for power generation. When they switched to Global Warming, imagine my surprise when the solutions were identical! The other red flag was that these wizards of smart gave us some dire predictions to watch out for, and not a single one has panned out. The poles still have ice, drought has not starved the planet and the hurricanes that were supposed to decimate the east coast have not materialized. When they can’t get it right in the near term, why should I trust that they have it right in the long term? And why should I gamble the worlds economies that they will.


25 posted on 01/08/2014 4:20:00 PM PST by Wingy
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To: John Valentine
It’s utterly laughable to see these guys NOW making the point that climate is not the same as weather after years of using every tornado, hurricane, heat wave, flood, and forest fire as PROOF that “global warming” is a REAL BIG PROBLEM threatening all human life on Earth. These people, Holdren chief among them, are dishonest worms.

Precisely why there are so many people who are shouting from the rooftops now, including me. We know one event doesn't prove anything, but now that the AlGores have bitten, they can't use it again without being hypocrites, if that bothers them.

Typhoon Haiyan 'the result of climate change'

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Killer typhoon Haiyan was a DIRECT result of man-made climate change says Prince Charles

Typhoon Haiyan highlights global cost of climate change

Al Gore: ‘Sandy’ a Symptom of Larger Climate Crisis

WATCHING SANDY, IGNORING CLIMATE CHANGE

26 posted on 01/08/2014 4:26:01 PM PST by Vince Ferrer
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To: nickcarraway

The more they keep talking about warming.....the colder it gets. Pretty soon they will talk us into the next ice age!


27 posted on 01/08/2014 4:27:17 PM PST by rwoodward ("god, guns and more ammo")
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To: rwoodward

Climategate was the beginning of the end of the AGW/CO2 fraud. The clingers are so invested in the political scam they can’t even come to terms with the obvious fraud. Scientists can’t even tell if any warming is not just naturally occurring.


28 posted on 01/08/2014 4:55:58 PM PST by spawn44 ( moo)
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To: nickcarraway
no single weather episode can either prove or disprove global climate change.

Katrina will be glad to hear that.

29 posted on 01/08/2014 5:06:55 PM PST by Izzy Dunne (Hello, I'm a TAGLINE virus. Please help me spread by copying me into YOUR tag line.)
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To: Wingy
I pretty much agree with you. I remember the global cooling in the 70s. I don't think I ever really got over the 'killer bees' coming up from the south (not the southern part of the country). I was a kid then, and between the bees and global warming, I was really scared.

Same old, same old, it seems.

30 posted on 01/08/2014 5:29:14 PM PST by Patriotic1 (Dic mihi solum facta, domina - Just the facts, ma'am)
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To: Iron Munro
'Record setting warm temperatures, drought, rain, storms, melting ice, or other unusual conditions are undeniable empirical evidence that man caused Global Warming is destroying the planet, and maybe even the entire galaxy.'

AND THAT I/M IT PRECISELY WHY WE MUST START A HEADLONG FURIOUS DRIVE TO BUILD SEA WALL UP AND DOWN THE COAST OF FLORIDA SINCE IT IS A DEAD CERTAINTY MELTED POLAR CAP OCEAN WATER WILL FLOOD OLD PEOPLE OUT OF THEIR CONDOS AND TRAILERS...

YEA VERILY I SAY UNTO YOU FOREWARNED OF FOREARMED...!

AND IF WE'RE NOT CAREFUL THE AMERICAN TAXPAYER COULD BE FORESKINNED OUT OF A MAJOR CHUNK OF THEIR HARD EARNED CHEDDAR ON THIS GO ROUND...
31 posted on 01/08/2014 5:31:03 PM PST by jimsin
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To: nickcarraway

Ah yes, the old, “Global cooling is caused by global warming!” bologna again....


32 posted on 01/08/2014 5:36:43 PM PST by vpintheak (Thankful to be God blessed & chosen!)
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To: nickcarraway

In the 70s, the leftists blamed global cooling for the polar vortex. I don’t remember what we were supposed to do about it.

Interestingly, it appears that the anti-God leftists are arguing that the current temperature of the earth is precisely and exactly what it needed to be for optimum life, and that ANY deviation up or down is a cause for alarm.

Almost like someone DESIGNED the climate with us in mind.

Of course, I’m sure there is some evolutionary scheme that explains it. Maybe natural weather selection or something.


33 posted on 01/08/2014 5:41:17 PM PST by CharlesWayneCT
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To: RIghtwardHo

If I had to trade national Gay marriage for the appeal of Obamacare, I’d do it in an instant. Gay Marriage is part of a long moral decline for which there are many other things including easy divorce, the sexualization of culture, and the welfare state’s skew toward single parenthood. Gay marriage won’t be a sea change.

But Obamacare is actually destroying our economy. It is the stepping-stone to single-payer destruction of our health care system, and the empowering of a generation of politicians.

Frankly, if Gay marriage became nationwide by supreme court fiat, it would take an issue off the table that we never figured out how to fight effectively.


34 posted on 01/08/2014 5:45:39 PM PST by CharlesWayneCT
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To: CharlesWayneCT

There you go rationalizing again. Maybe you should consult the Bible for a little perspective on the homosexualization of society. In biblical terms, the normalization of homosexual marriage is the final act of mankind’s rejection of God and the invitation of His judgement.

Matthew 24:37-39; 37 But as the days of Noah were, so shall also the coming of the Son of man be.
38 For as in the days that were before the flood they were eating and drinking, marrying and giving in marriage, until the day that Noe entered into the ark,
39 And knew not until the flood came, and took them all away; so shall also the coming of the Son of man be.

Luke 17: 28-30; 28 Likewise also as it was in the days of Lot; they did eat, they drank, they bought, they sold, they planted, they builded;
29 But the same day that Lot went out of Sodom it rained fire and brimstone from heaven, and destroyed them all.
30 Even thus shall it be in the day when the Son of man is revealed.

The common thread between the days of Noah and the days of Lot is sexual perversion and overall human depravity and a lackadaisical view of God and man’s descent into abomination.

You say we can handle the normalization of homosexual marriage... you are inviting God’s judgement on all of us... no thanks!!


35 posted on 01/08/2014 6:38:53 PM PST by dps.inspect (rage against the Obama machine...)
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To: AdmSmith; AnonymousConservative; Berosus; bigheadfred; Bockscar; cardinal4; ColdOne; ...

> “The fact is that no single weather episode can either prove or disprove global climate change. Climate is the pattern of weather that we observe geographically, and over the seasons, and it’s described in terms of averages, variations, and probabilities,” Holdren soberly explained.

Wrong — ALL climate change is 100 percent natural, 100 percent of the time. Global climate change is 100 percent natural, 100 percent of the time. The FACT is, AGW is entirely political in origin, and is entirely sustained through political activity by demagogues — and has absolutely zero science behind any of it. THAT has been proved EACH AND EVERY TIME we have been forced to fund research, and by that I mean, actual scientific research, not the agitprop that is sometimes passed off as if it is scientific.

Thanks nickcarraway.


36 posted on 01/08/2014 6:49:39 PM PST by SunkenCiv (http://www.freerepublic.com/~mestamachine/)
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To: jimsin
WE MUST START A HEADLONG FURIOUS DRIVE TO BUILD SEA WALL UP AND DOWN THE COAST OF FLORIDA

One hundred out of one hundred lobbyists for the big, politically connected, Sea-Wall construction companies agree wholeheartedly.


37 posted on 01/08/2014 8:03:19 PM PST by Iron Munro (Orwell: There are some ideas so absurd that only an intellectual could believe them.)
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To: nickcarraway
All kinds of people and organizations, from media to scientists, have been pushing back against the idea, popular among the Rush Limbaugh set, that recent bitingly cold weather disproves global warming

In other words, they are feeding the trolls, which is great, since most people who are clowning on them about the vortex re:globaloney warming are parodying the warmists' Chicken Little hyperventilating over every heat wave or tropical storm.
38 posted on 01/08/2014 10:48:43 PM PST by A Balrog of Morgoth (QMC(SW) USN........ CG21 DD988 FFG34 PC6 ARS53)
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To: SunkenCiv
ALL climate change is 100 percent natural, 100 percent of the time

I disagree. I think Congress is a very serious cause of climate change, and we can only destroying Congress immediately. It's the only solution.

39 posted on 01/08/2014 10:57:36 PM PST by nickcarraway
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To: Patriotic1

‘I’m going to confess I’m lukewarm on this.”

There is no valid scientific basis for being “lukewarm” on the subject of Anthropogenic Global Warming (AGW), also known as Climate Change. The entire AGW conjecture is based upon pseudo-scientific claims which the scientific principles and experimental evidence demonstrate to be respectively contrary to the fundamental laws of physics and contradicted by observations.


40 posted on 01/09/2014 12:30:27 AM PST by WhiskeyX ( provides a system for registering complaints about unfair broadcasters and the ability to request a)
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To: Iron Munro

THIS GLOBAL WARMING THING IS OMINOUS..
WE MUST START A HEADLONG FURIOUS DRIVE TO BUILD SEA WALL UP AND DOWN THE COAST OF FLORIDA

One hundred out of one hundred lobbyists for the big, politically connected, Sea-Wall construction companies agree wholeheartedly

UM YES I/M UNDOUBTEDLY THEY WORK FOR COMPANYS WHOSE CEOS PUSH IMMIGRATION ‘REFORM’ BECAUSE THEY WANT MASS BORDERLESSNESS SO AS TO TAKE ADVANTAGE OF DIRT CHEAP LABOR SUBSIDIZED BY TAXPAYERS WHO’RE PROVIDIN’ THEIR SLAVES WITH FOOD HEALTHCARE AND OTHER ‘FREE STUFF’

SO IT WORKS OUT WELL FOR ALL OF THOSE OUTFITS BUT NOT SO WELL FOR AMERICA AND IT’S HARD WORKIN TAXPAYERS....TAKE A LOOK AT THE BRAINY BEAUTY ANN COULTER AS SHE SETTLES THE IMMIGRATION HASH OF TOO HAPLESS BOYS AND A RECENT INTERVIEW ON LARRY KUDLOW’S CNN OFFERING ...

HERE SHE TEACHES US EVERY THING WE NEED TO KNOW ABOUT IMMIGRATION...PLEASE WATCH THIS EVERYONE...IT’S FASCINATING AND YOU GET TO LEARN TONS:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NkBorge8smc


41 posted on 01/09/2014 12:42:35 AM PST by jimsin
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To: Doc Savage

“I am disheartened, disgusted and depressed.”
//////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////

The left will claim that you need to take off the 3-D glasses.


42 posted on 01/09/2014 5:46:39 AM PST by RipSawyer (The TREE currently falling on you actually IS worse than a Bush.)
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To: Vince Ferrer
...they can't use it again without being hypocrites, if that bothers them.

It doesn't.

43 posted on 01/09/2014 7:58:07 AM PST by John Valentine (Deep in the Heart of Texas)
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To: ColdOne; All

Little confused on this polar vortex. Cold molecules are slow moving as opposed to warm molecules fast moving so cold never displaces hot, hot always displaces cold

so, how does the cold weather displace warmer weather?


44 posted on 01/13/2014 8:35:28 AM PST by edcoil (System now set up not to allow some to win but for no one to lose!)
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