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Disabled Veterans to Be Exempted From Pension Cuts (Only Med Retired Early, Not VA Rated Disabled)
AP and ABC ^ | 8 Jan 14 | Andrew Taylor

Posted on 01/08/2014 7:42:35 PM PST by SkyPilot

A massive spending bill taking shape on Capitol Hill is likely to repeal a recently enacted pension cut for disabled veterans.

Capitol Hill aides said Wednesday that the $1 trillion-plus omnibus spending bill measure will reverse a 1 percentage point cut to annual cost-of-living increases that was inadvertently applied to more than 63,000 veterans who have left the military due to injury or disability.

But the controversial pension cut included in last month's budget agreement would continue to apply to other military retirees. It would save about $6 billion over the coming decade, money that's being used to ease cuts to the Pentagon budget this year.

The pension cuts have drawn fierce opposition from veterans groups and lawmakers in both parties, but it's unclear whether the entire provision will be repealed. The aides required anonymity because the spending bill isn't complete and they aren't authorized to discuss it publicly.

Some lawmakers originally claimed, incorrectly, that the pension cut in last month's budget bill would not apply to disabled veterans. When they discovered that it did, they immediately promised to correct it. The upcoming budget measure is the first available vehicle.

House Budget Committee Chairman Paul Ryan, R-Wis., recently defended the pension cut in an op-ed in USA Today, saying he stands behind "responsible reforms of military compensation."

Service members are permitted to retire at half pay after 20 years in the military, which means they can claim their pensions as early as age 38, a generous benefit that defenders say helps retain servicemen and women. He says a typical serviceman who retirees at 38 would receive a $1.7 million pension over his lifetime instead of a $1.8 million benefit and that most military retirees go on to second careers.

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KEYWORDS: budget; disabled; disabledvets; military; pensions
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To: SkyPilot

At least they arent cutting welfare or obama phones.


2 posted on 01/08/2014 7:47:22 PM PST by driftdiver (I could eat it raw, but why do that when I have a fire.)
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To: Jet Jaguar
Ping....and not good news for our military, as predicted.

1. They don't exempt many disabled retirees, even though they claim they do - only those who met an early retirement medical board will be taken care of

2. Nothing mentioned about survivor widows being exempted (so I assume they are also cut)

3. No urgency or will to repeal the horrible cuts to all currently military retirees and those men and women now serving

3 posted on 01/08/2014 7:47:38 PM PST by SkyPilot
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To: SkyPilot

These sons of bitches. Give everything to the lazy and unproductive that are worthless layabouts. Yet take away from those that have sacrificed. Anyone in the military makes a sacrifice. It might be their family, their lifestyle, their children, their friends, loved ones. Or it might be a finger, an arm, a leg, a kidney, it could be their spine, or their head, maybe shrapnel in their chest. They might have given their very life to give the worthless in our society a way to survive. They are asked to sacrifice at least SOMETHING, but the worthless layabouts are given more at the expense of those who fight, die, and sacrifice for their right to be lazy. What a FUBAR world we live in.

I’m not a leader, but if someone wants to stand up to the injustice our country has become I will follow.

Military pay cuts should not exist. Service members are the ONLY members in our society that should be given a free pass after their service. Especially those that are maimed. Their families as well.

Tell me when will “or domestic” will be invoked, and I will be there.


4 posted on 01/08/2014 8:00:35 PM PST by FreedomStar3028 (Evil must be punished.)
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To: SkyPilot

Will Juan McShame retain his disability payment?


5 posted on 01/08/2014 8:03:00 PM PST by logitech (It is time.)
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To: SkyPilot

They sure have those millions for the ‘Promise Zones’ though...


6 posted on 01/08/2014 8:04:14 PM PST by Irenic (The pencil sharpener and Elmer's glue is put away-- we've lost the red wheel barrow)
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To: FreedomStar3028


7 posted on 01/08/2014 8:08:53 PM PST by 2ndDivisionVet (A courageous man finds a way, an ordinary man finds an excuse.)
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To: FreedomStar3028

The first pensions that should be revoked are those for Congress.

Retroactively and forever.


8 posted on 01/08/2014 8:13:56 PM PST by logitech (It is time.)
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To: logitech

Yep. Congress should be a place where retired successful normal men and women go to lead and teach the population how to be successful, but above all else MAKE IT POSSIBLE. Not take that chance away.

Now it’s go to Congress, do nothing, swim with the current and take whatever you can get from lobbyists and political climate.


9 posted on 01/08/2014 8:22:19 PM PST by FreedomStar3028 (Evil must be punished.)
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To: FreedomStar3028

In addition to no pension, I think they should have to pass a drug screen and be able to do three pullups.

It’s only fair.


10 posted on 01/08/2014 8:30:21 PM PST by logitech (It is time.)
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To: SkyPilot

"House Budget Committee Chairman Paul Ryan, R-Wis., recently defended the pension cut in an op-ed in USA Today, saying he stands behind "responsible reforms of military compensation."

The GOP-e leadership bends over backwards to reward illegals who break the law and sneak across the border... and then punishes those who fight to protect this great nation.

What a bunch of sick, disgusting, manipulative individuals.

11 posted on 01/08/2014 8:33:50 PM PST by Qbert ("The best defense against usurpatory government is an assertive citizenry" - William F. Buckley, Jr.)
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To: SkyPilot
Service members are permitted to retire at half pay after 20 years in the military, which means they can claim their pensions as early as age 38,

Hello dumdum but that has not been the case for a number of years, since 1986 to be exact. You get 40% at 20. You get 50% at 30.

There is no one in the military who will retire at 50% at 38 not that there ever was that many to begin with. Less then 11% of service members go to 20.

12 posted on 01/08/2014 8:34:02 PM PST by Harmless Teddy Bear (Proud Infidel, Gun Nut, Religious Fanatic and Freedom Fiend)
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To: SkyPilot

BTW SkyPilot that dumdum was addressed to Ryan, not to you!


13 posted on 01/08/2014 8:37:27 PM PST by Harmless Teddy Bear (Proud Infidel, Gun Nut, Religious Fanatic and Freedom Fiend)
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To: SkyPilot

For Ryan to supposedly be so smart, he sure says and does some stupid things. They didn’t realize it was in the deal? Did Ryan even read the damn thing that high paid aids put together? Or is everyone going to have to read it to see what’s in it?


14 posted on 01/08/2014 8:37:59 PM PST by VerySadAmerican (".....Barrack, and the horse Mohammed rode in on.")
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To: SkyPilot

Have they done away with pensions for house and senate members and their staff?


15 posted on 01/08/2014 8:38:23 PM PST by McGavin999
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To: Harmless Teddy Bear

I thought that 50% number was BS. It used to be 50% at twenty years and 75% at thirty. I remember the “lifers” saying they were working for “half pay” after twenty years.

What Ryan and the other over paid elitists refuse to see is those in the military aren’t paid equally to their civilian counterparts. They’re afraid they’ll lose their brilliant, over paid, IRREPLACEBLE aides but they don’t give a damn if they lose career military.


16 posted on 01/08/2014 8:42:42 PM PST by VerySadAmerican (".....Barrack, and the horse Mohammed rode in on.")
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To: SkyPilot
"It would save about $6 billion over the coming decade..."

Only $6 billion over ten years? What a joke. We spend more than that giving free haircuts to members of Congress over ten years.

17 posted on 01/08/2014 8:50:57 PM PST by Windflier (To anger a conservative, tell him a lie. To anger a liberal, tell him the truth.)
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To: VerySadAmerican

It also used to be healthcare for life if you went to 20. Now they dump you into Medicare at 65.


18 posted on 01/08/2014 8:54:55 PM PST by Harmless Teddy Bear (Proud Infidel, Gun Nut, Religious Fanatic and Freedom Fiend)
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To: logitech
The first pensions that should be revoked are those for Congress.

Absolutely...Including several money eating government departments..

It's hard to believe they'd turn on their own before cutting billions in endless bloated departments/programs.

All those who sacrificed part of their lives to serve should be the very last when it comes to cuts, reductions, medical care, pensions etc...

Government continues to spend billions on things like foreign aid and then cut or reduce benefits from Americans who served?

How could anyone think this is acceptable?

19 posted on 01/08/2014 9:04:20 PM PST by dragnet2 (Diversion and evasion are tools of deceit)
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To: driftdiver
At least they arent cutting welfare or obama phones.

Or free healthcare and education - along with welfare and 0bamaPhones - to illegals!!

20 posted on 01/08/2014 9:06:19 PM PST by Jane Long (While Marxists continue the fundamental transformation of the USA, progressive RINOs assist!)
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To: Harmless Teddy Bear

It was healthcare for life for free at the VA if you served your term and was honorably discharged. Now it’s means tested.


21 posted on 01/08/2014 9:07:07 PM PST by VerySadAmerican (".....Barrack, and the horse Mohammed rode in on.")
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To: SkyPilot

They are also changing disabled veterans meds majorly, with no warning. Oh by the way, the letters say at the request of the FDA.


22 posted on 01/08/2014 9:17:17 PM PST by easternsky
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To: VerySadAmerican

The 505/20 75%/30 rule changed for those entering active duty after 9Sep1980.

Yes, I know the correct term is/was ‘Pay Entry Basic Date’, but I’m trying to keep it simple...


23 posted on 01/08/2014 9:41:17 PM PST by castlebrew (Gun Control means hitting where you're aiming!))
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To: castlebrew

that’s 50% /20yr and 75% /30 yr...


24 posted on 01/08/2014 9:42:36 PM PST by castlebrew (Gun Control means hitting where you're aiming!))
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To: SkyPilot

My husband’s condition is deteriorating. I looked into getting him into adult daycare, so I can postpone putting him in a nursing home. TriCare Prime doesn’t cover it, and neither does Medicare. If we were on welfare, Medicaid would pay for it. But military retirees who pay for the healthcare they were supposed to get for free don’t qualify for it.


25 posted on 01/08/2014 9:53:31 PM PST by BykrBayb (Somewhere, my flower is there. ~ Þ)
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To: SkyPilot; blueyon; KitJ; T Minus Four; xzins; CMS; The Sailor; ab01; txradioguy; Jet Jaguar; ...

Active Duty/Retiree ping.


26 posted on 01/08/2014 9:55:06 PM PST by Jet Jaguar
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To: SkyPilot

Just reading the headline

As Dirty Harry would say, that’s mighty white of them.

But maybe they could just lay off of the vets who will never fight dirty with their own government and who are safe prey, and, instead, focus on means testing those welfare, Medicaid and Medicare recipients. Just in case any one of them might be stealing from the government enough to offset those dear ones who served mighty white if them

But maybe they could lay off the vets


27 posted on 01/08/2014 9:59:53 PM PST by stanne
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To: SkyPilot
Service members are permitted to retire at half pay after 20 years in the military...

This is not true.

Service members are permitted to be retained at half pay on the retired lists after 20 years in the military. They remain in their respective services and are subject to immediate recall to active duty for which they must be prepared.

Service members do not "retire" as civilians do. They are retained at partial pay and relieved of duties. For those who believe this is just a play on words, just ask those of us who have been recalled. There're plenty around from Korea up to the present.

And just wait and see what happens to these "retirees" when we get sucked into our next full-blown war...say with China in 2025. Of course, most won't wait to be recalled. They'll be jamming the Pentagon's phone lines to be reactivated.

That's why service "retirement" is different. That's why there is "retained" pay. And if Congress and those perfumed princes of the Pentagon didn't have their heads up their collective bums they would be down on its knees thanking service retirees instead of knifing them in the back!

28 posted on 01/08/2014 10:02:22 PM PST by DakotaGator (Weep for the lost Republic! And keep your powder dry!!)
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To: BykrBayb

Any cuts or reductions to those who served is not acceptable...What is reasonable is for entire government programs, government departments and foreign aid to be shutdown/reduced before that ever happens.


29 posted on 01/08/2014 10:04:47 PM PST by dragnet2 (Diversion and evasion are tools of deceit)
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To: logitech

Yeah. I think there should be an end to pensions for members of congress. They don’t need it. They don’t need health insurance either. They can afford to insure themselves. Congressional salaries are pretty high as I understand. Maybe then they wouldn’t make a career of it. Get the hell out of congress after one or two terms. As for the vets, this stinks. A promise is a promise. A real sucker punch. Bastards.


30 posted on 01/08/2014 10:46:06 PM PST by virgil
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To: SkyPilot

Paul Ryan is dead to me. He will be forever associated with this betrayal. Had to know what he was doing and should be called out about it.


31 posted on 01/09/2014 12:00:59 AM PST by tinamina
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To: Harmless Teddy Bear

I beg to differ with you on the year of 1986 I retired in 1987 @50% for 20 years and it was 75% for 30 years. I do not know when it changed but know for a fact that it wasn’t 1986.


32 posted on 01/09/2014 1:26:20 AM PST by silverkor
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To: SkyPilot
I'm glad they will exempt medical retirees.

Having said that, this is not the issue. The government made a contract with us (all of us retirees). We lived up to our part of that contract with significant sacrifice. We are owed.

I will repeat what I've said before on this topic:

I recognize that there is a pretty bad fiscal situation and as a retiree myself, I am more than willing to do my part if (and the following list is IN ORDER):

  1. AFTER they cut out the extra-Constitutional activities performed by FEDGOV (i.e., those activities that are not explicitly identified in Article 1 Section 8 and the various Constitutional Amendments) (BTW, since transfer payments are extra-constitutional, this statement includes those transfer payments)
  2. AFTER Congress has eliminated their own cushy retirement (not that it fiscally does that much, but it would make them appear to "lead from the front")
  3. AFTER Congress eliminates all pensions and TSP matching funds from current civilian government employees (the rationale being that they were not under the UCMJ and have always had the option to disobey idiots and turn down assignments w/o risk of court-martial)

If they do all the above IN ORDER (in other words, they do #1...and if that isn't sufficient, move to #2, and if that doesn't work, then finally do #3), I would be willing to consider consenting to some sacrifice.

But not until that point. I am not at all sanguine to having to give anything up from my retirement (nor am I willing to give anything up as far as current / retired military benefits for the troops) as long as free money is provided to illegal aliens, foreign dictators, or the lazy who choose not to work.


33 posted on 01/09/2014 2:15:05 AM PST by markomalley (Nothing emboldens the wicked so greatly as the lack of courage on the part of the good -- Leo XIII)
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To: VerySadAmerican

No, back in the old days it was free healthcare for yourself and your immediate family at military facilities. My late father retired from the Marines when I was 5 years old and all my medical treatment was at a nearby Air Force base, as was the rest of my family’s until I went into the service myself and there was no out-of-pocket for any of it.


34 posted on 01/09/2014 2:24:19 AM PST by 2ndDivisionVet (Jealousy is when you count someone else's blessings instead of your own.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
No, back in the old days it was free healthcare for yourself and your immediate family at military facilities.

To my knowledge, it still is. It's always been on a space-available basis. The trick is, since the time of the Clintons and the institution of Tricare (replacing "CHAMPUS"), the military treatment facilities give a higher priority to participants in "TRICARE PRIME".

The big difference between now and the old days is that dependents and retirees cannot get dental care (except for emergencies) stateside. I think dependents can still get dental care overseas...not sure about retirees.

35 posted on 01/09/2014 2:41:39 AM PST by markomalley (Nothing emboldens the wicked so greatly as the lack of courage on the part of the good -- Leo XIII)
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To: markomalley

I’m 80% and I don’t get dental.


36 posted on 01/09/2014 2:44:59 AM PST by 2ndDivisionVet (Jealousy is when you count someone else's blessings instead of your own.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
I’m 80% and I don’t get dental.

That's what I was saying. Even active duty dependents don't get dental on-base/post stateside. Active duty dependents get on-base/post dental overseas only (or at least did up to when I retired in 2002).

37 posted on 01/09/2014 3:02:14 AM PST by markomalley (Nothing emboldens the wicked so greatly as the lack of courage on the part of the good -- Leo XIII)
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To: SkyPilot
$1.7 million pension

They're dreaming. The typical retiree has to be at an average E-7 pay grade. That is about $21,000 a year. Add 10,000 for medical benefits and you get a misrepresented $31,000 a year due to adding medical benefits to it. (For example, I didn't spend a dime of their money on medical last year, and might have spent $500 since retiring 10 years ago.) At 38, they're assuming someone went into the military at 18 years old. That's simply not true. I'd say the average age is more like 21 after trying other things and having them not satisfy, and then the typical retiree becomes a serious-minded soldier.

With an average life span of 78 or so for a male, the most common gender, we'd say that the 41 year old retiree draws benefits for 37 years. 37*31,000 = 1,147,000 dollars. The only way they can come up with that 1.7 million dollar pension is by using future values on that dollar. IOW, 1,147,000 today is probably 1.7 million in future value. And, using the government's average retiree cola for the last few years at about 1%, that is exactly what the future value is 37 years from now. So, Ryan lies again. He subtly shifts to future value and doesn't reveal it AND he adds medical care to the pension without revealing it. And medical cost is determined by individual since the government is funding it. If they pay no money out, then they have had no cost. My medical care, for example, has cost them on average $50 a year since I retired and not 10,000. How healthy is our military since the 1980's? Extremely. Highly, extremely discouraged smoking and alcohol consumption, and required, highly encouraged physical exercise and weight control. These folks exit the military on average in great physical shape with some ingrained good health habits.

38 posted on 01/09/2014 3:33:51 AM PST by xzins ( Retired Army Chaplain and Proud of It! Those who truly support our troops pray for victory!)
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To: DakotaGator

Just amazing to me. Two decades of being in most places other than home, standing watch on Christmas in various forgein countries and living through the anxiety of hostile action in some of the worlds worst shitholes, and it comes to this.

Now, just a few years after I served our country with distinction, beleiving the work I was doing had some significance, it turns out that the majority of our congress, senate and our ridiculous excuse for a president have come to the conclusion that I’m the problem. Me and all my military brothers and sisters are the leeches on society that must be put in check. We’re just greedy scammers that gamed the system for a fat benefits package stolen from the taxpayers of this country.

Knowing that the screwing has just begun, perhaps I could swap the money for another chance to make it to my daughter’s school play? How about her birthday? Prom? Can I have it all back, please? I can see now that the smart money was with those who stuck around my small town, pumped out a half dozen kids and became welfare kings and queens. It’s funny, those same people told me how dumb I was for signing up for the military. I thought they were losers and slackers. I was wrong.

As a nation, we go to great lengths to normalize “those in need” No more do they have to pull food stamps out of a little book in front of a crowd of shoppers, or cash an AFDC check at the local bank. No. That’s beneath them, and would hurt their self immage. We look at them, and those collecting thier 99th week of unemployment as honorable victims of a harsh society. But, when it comes to us military retirees, well, nothing compares to our low- down attempt to swindle the American public.

In a few years, I bet they take it all. What the hell can we do about it? Voting is worthless. Both sides just take turns twisting the knife. As another poster said, I’d be more than happy to take a cut if it was an across the board solution, involving all government expenditures. But that’s not going to happen. Not only will only the military retirees see a direct reduction in real pension, but the goverment will go right on burying my kids in future debt.

We’re a disgrace as a nation.


39 posted on 01/09/2014 3:41:03 AM PST by Greenpees (Coulda Shoulda Woulda)
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To: driftdiver

You can be sure Paul Ryan (or probably Mitt Romney if he were in power) wouldn’t cut welfare or cell phones.


40 posted on 01/09/2014 3:47:43 AM PST by Theodore R. (People in TX in 2014 cheer: Cornball and George P.!)
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To: Greenpees
We’re a disgrace as a nation.

Been that way for a long time and will continue unabated. The American people are too uninformed to take action.

41 posted on 01/09/2014 3:49:17 AM PST by Theodore R. (People in TX in 2014 cheer: Cornball and George P.!)
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To: Theodore R.

cmon man, the election is over, you won.


42 posted on 01/09/2014 4:16:01 AM PST by driftdiver (I could eat it raw, but why do that when I have a fire.)
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To: dragnet2

Well, I’m afraid I may have to put him in a nursing home, because as a military veteran he’s not qualified for the same benefits as a welfare whore.


43 posted on 01/09/2014 4:51:36 AM PST by BykrBayb (Somewhere, my flower is there. ~ Þ)
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To: SkyPilot

Notice Murray is not defending this steaming pile. When the issue first hit she just said: “I don’t know ask Ryan”

It’s been the Dem game plan since the day after the election to pick divisive issues, divide and demoralize GOP voters for 2014. Yet these buffoons in the beltway GOP continue dancing to whatever tune the Dems play. Unbelievable.


44 posted on 01/09/2014 5:01:00 AM PST by lodi90
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To: SkyPilot

I’m for responsible reforms to military retirement too, but only as long as they’re the exact same adjustments to our bloated government civil service retirement. If they want to apply a 1% reduction to all currently retired military then the same 1% reduction should be applied to all currently retired civil service — and that’s not what they did. The reduction only applies to currently serving civil service who later retire. How is that “responsible”, or fair?


45 posted on 01/09/2014 5:21:47 AM PST by USNA74
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To: tinamina

Along with Ryan being dead, how about the entire cowardly republican party, who daily cower down to Obama like a dog in heat. What burns me up is not even 1% of Congress have ever served a day in the military, and that includes pandered cowards like Paul Ryan, Rand Paul, Rubio and the rest, and Vietnam draft-dodgers like John Boehner and Harry Reid. All are a bunch of chickehsh*t cowards that never served a day, but now want to cut the pay of disabled veterans that went off and did what they didn’t have the common decency to do, which is serve their country. They all make me sick to my damn stomach.


46 posted on 01/09/2014 6:55:25 AM PST by NKP_Vet ("Rather than love, than money, than fame, then give truth" ~ Henry David Thoreau)
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To: silverkor

I joined in FEB 86 when the high three retirement system was in place, in AUG 86 it changed to the 40% system, I got in just under the wire and retired last year.


47 posted on 01/09/2014 7:57:19 AM PST by Arkansas Tider (Army EOD (Ret))
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To: silverkor
You enlisted before 1986 so the terms of your original contract were still in place. If you had enlisted in 1987 it would have been a different story.

My husband enlisted in 1978 so he got the 50% at twenty as well. My cousin enlisted in 1988 so he did not.

48 posted on 01/09/2014 8:08:16 AM PST by Harmless Teddy Bear (Proud Infidel, Gun Nut, Religious Fanatic and Freedom Fiend)
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To: USNA74; NKP_Vet; Greenpees; Jet Jaguar
From today's headlines:

Hagel: COLA cuts won't impact disabled vets

The problem is, Hagel is fudging the facts. His DoD only wants to exempt those who were medically retired earlier than 20 years, even for a non-combat injury condition.

Hagel does not want to count VA Disabled veterans who served their 20 year commitment, even those with Purple Hearts who are 100% disabled.

The news media is swallowing this obfuscation hook, line, and sinker. ABC and Military Times are all running stories meant to convince the gullible public that "disabled vets" are taken care of and won't have their pensions cut. It is a lie.

Moreover, if what Ryan and Hagel have been saying is true, and the pension cuts are so "minor" as to not even be noticed, then why is he wandering the military hospital wards with media photographers and reporters in tow, making a big show of who compassionate he is to allow them to escape the pension cuts?

49 posted on 01/09/2014 8:11:29 AM PST by SkyPilot
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To: SkyPilot

The drunk talking to a lesbian. Hagel is the most unqualified Sec of Defense in the last 100 years. A RINO yes man for Obama. A tongue-tied rum head that shouldn’t be allowed to lead a cub scout troup on a half-mike hike, much less the DOD.


50 posted on 01/09/2014 8:17:57 AM PST by NKP_Vet ("Rather than love, than money, than fame, then give truth" ~ Henry David Thoreau)
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